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OP Sequence

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Haunted by the memories of how she shot Villetta and how Lelouch is Zero, Shirley wonders what’s real and what’s fake in regard to her friends’ identities. This prompts her to call Suzaku out for a meeting, but when she first sees him, she almost runs away until he stops her. By chance, the two then run into Lelouch who had been out making some preparations for a special train. Back at Ashford, Villetta finds Rolo alone and gets the chance to question why he betrayed them, but before he can really respond, the alarms inside the secret base go off. The reason is that Jeremiah has arrived on the school grounds looking for Lelouch and has attacked some of the guards. Sayoko tries to stop him, but she has a hard time hitting him because of his metallic body. Meanwhile, at the Geass ruins, Bartley is telling Cornelia that the people who brought him there want to kill the gods. Cornelia doesn’t believe that gods exist, and to her surprise, V.V. suddenly appears behind them and agrees that there aren’t any goddesses with wings or old men with beards. Cornelia reacts by tossing a knife at V.V.’s forehead because she doesn’t know what Geass he uses, however V.V. remains relatively unfazed and asserts that his kind swore to kill the gods who pit people against each other.

The fight back at Ashford between Sayoko and Jeremiah continues until Rolo arrives and uses his Geass. Unfortunately, Jeremiah counters with his Geass Canceller, knocks out Sayoko, and then forces Rolo onto the ground. What finally gets Jeremiah to leave is Villetta coming and telling him where Lelouch went, though Rolo isn’t happy that she wants Jeremiah to free her too. Afterwards however, Villetta tries to redeem herself in Rolo’s eyes by telling him to contact Lelouch and work with him to attack Jeremiah from two sides. At that moment, Shirley is with both Suzaku and Lelouch and is conflicted about what to say because she feels that she has to tell Suzaku about Lelouch being Zero. She starts second guessing herself though by wondering if Suzaku and Lelouch are actually accomplices, and she gets so afraid of them that she climbs onto the ledge of the building they’re on in order to get away from the two. When Shirley loses her footing and falls off the ledge, Lelouch manages to grab her arm, and Suzaku grabs Lelouch’s leg. Shirley at first wants Lelouch to let go, but he refuses because he doesn’t want to lose anyone else and convinces her to let them pull her back up.

Once the three are back safely on the rooftop, Shirley points out that what just happened is similar to what happened back when Lelouch and Suzaku tried to catch Arthur. This causes the two guys to start to speak like old friends about the incident, however Suzaku quickly stops himself from smiling because he remembers that Lelouch was the one who killed Euphemia. Lelouch then gets a phone call from Rolo informing him that Jeremiah is coming to kill him, but Lelouch has a hard time acting on this because Suzaku is around. Luckily for him, he’s able to remind Suzaku and Shirley that they were supposed to meet each other and not him, and Shirley then drags Suzaku off. With Shirley under Suzaku’s care, Lelouch sets up a trap for Jeremiah by using his Geass on some security guards, and this lets him observe Jeremiah employ the Geass Canceller to wipe away the Geass effect. Armed with this knowledge, Lelouch uses himself to lure Jeremiah to the train platform above. Meanwhile outside, Shirley declares that she likes Lelouch and asks if Suzaku hates him. When Suzaku claims that he had liked Lelouch until Lelouch had done some something unforgivable, Shirley responds by saying that nothing is unforgivable and that it’s just Suzaku who doesn’t want to forgive. Using herself as an example, Shirley reveals that she had forgiven Lelouch a long time ago.

Their conversation is interrupted by the sound of an explosion from inside the train station, and when Suzaku decides to take charge of the situation, he leaves Shirley in the care of the police. Worried about Lelouch, Shirley ends up running away from her escort and entering the building, picking up a gun from some fallen guards along the way. By now, Lelouch has lured Jeremiah to the special train he had prepared earlier and activates its Gefjun Disturbers. Since Jeremiah’s body uses Sakuradite, he stops dead in his tracks as Lelouch proceeds to explain that he intends to bring Tokyo to a standstill with this. Lelouch then demands to know the location of the group Jeremiah is working for, but Jeremiah feels that Lelouch should be the one who’s talking. Walking slowly forward despite the effect of the Gefjun Disturbers, Jeremiah questions why Lelouch plays the part of Zero and made enemies of both his motherland Britannia and his father. Lelouch surprise Jeremiah by revealing that it’s because he’s Lelouch Vi Britannia and because his father let his mother get killed, thus depriving Nunnally of her eyes and legs and depriving her and himself of their futures. Jeremiah already knew about this because he had been there as a guard on his first mission but had failed at protecting Marianne. He surprises Lelouch by suggesting that Lelouch had become Zero for Marianne’s sake, and this leads Lelouch to realize that Jeremiah isn’t here to kill him. After Jeremiah reveals that his master isn’t V.V. but was rather Marianne, Lelouch turns off the Gefjun Disturbers, rushes to Jeremiah’s side, and gets Jeremiah to confirm his loyalty isn’t over yet, which Jeremiah happily does.

Elsewhere in the train station, Shirley runs into Rolo and asks him if he likes Lelouch. Shirley wants to join Rolo in helping protect Lelouch and in recovering Lelouch’s happiness, but when she mentions Nunnally, Rolo activates his Geass power. A short while later, after sending Jeremiah off, Lelouch finds Shirley in a pool of blood with a wound above her stomach. She’s still conscious and is glad to see Lelouch at the end, and she stops him from calling for help. Instead, she talks about how she had been scared after regaining her memories because of how it felt like the entire world was watching her. She thinks that Lelouch was fighting all by himself, and amidst all the lies, she wanted to become his truth. Shirley couldn’t hate Lelouch despite what happened with her father, and even after he made her forget everything, she fell in love with him again. Seeing Shirley’s eyes start to close as she nears death, Lelouch activates his Geass to try to stop it, but Shirley just keeps saying that no matter how many times she’s reborn, she’ll fall in love with him again. Those are Shirley’s final words, and after her arm falls limp, Lelouch can do nothing but cry out from his loss.

ED Sequence

ED: ????????? ? (Waga Routashi Aku no Hana) by ALI PROJECT
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Both new songs are pretty good (though all ALI PROJECT songs sound the same to me), but what’s really exciting is all the new stuff shown in the OP. There’s so much to talk about with it – heck, I could fill an entire post just analyzing the OP – but some of the bigger things include how it looks like the story might be going to space after all, and the Lancelot and Guren are getting at least one more upgrade (Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice anyone?). Sayoko is also apparently going to become an Otome or something…


If there were a scene that made me yell in frustration, the ending here was it. It’s frustrating because Shirley didn’t die protecting Lelouch or standing up for what she believed in, she died because she just said the wrong thing in front of emotionally unstable Rolo. Any number of things could have gone differently (Suzaku not letting her out of his sight, Shirley not running into Rolo, Shirley not mentioning Nunnally), and she’s still be alive. And now that Shirley is dead, I can throw out all my theories about her playing a bigger part later in the story. In fact, in retrospect, I bet they showed her more in the past episodes just to get her closer to Lelouch so that the loss would be even more devastating to him. Shirley is the first of his Ashford friends to die, and since Lelouch has shown that he has feelings for her, losing her might only be a few steps removed from losing Nunnally. The question now is what kind of immediate impact her death will have – i.e. who does Lelouch blame? I also suspect that what she said about forgiveness to Suzaku might come into play again later.

What happened with Shirley heavily overshadowed what happened with Jeremiah, but Jeremiah is still important since it appears that there’s been a 180-degree turn in his character culminating in his joining Lelouch’s side. It’s not completely unprecedented given how he’s acted emotionally about the subject of Marianne before (see: Stage 4.33 – Picture Drama 05), but after all that he’s done to oppose Lelouch, it’s still pretty surprising. I’m wary of a ploy by V.V. or the Emperor, however since Jeremiah also didn’t kill Lelouch when he had the chance, he appears to be at least personally sincere. Given his past incompetence (and bad luck) though, it’ll be interesting to see what difference he can make, if any. From the preview for next week, it seems that he’ll lead Lelouch and the Black Knights to V.V., and V.V. looks like he might completely lose it.

July 6, 2008 at 5:07 am
  • July 8, 2008 at 5:32 pmLlednar Twem

    Shirley’s death made this alot more interesting. I thought Geass would end as some happy anime where everyone is happy and has a happy ending! Good thing this episode changed that.

  • July 8, 2008 at 5:40 pmSoni

    Wow, now Rolo is going to get destroyed by Lulu

  • July 8, 2008 at 6:44 pmsui

    I hate rollo sooo much..

  • July 8, 2008 at 6:45 pmsui

    Actually i blame villetta for sending rollo out… not only was rollo technically “useless” (in terms of “helping” lulu, he killed shirley. That useless bastard.

  • July 8, 2008 at 7:07 pmWedge McCloud

    Rollo has a new nickname from me:

    That nickname must be spelled in caps every time to bring across its tone. I seriously hoped before that Rollo would be one of the few characters to survive at the end of the show. I just felt bad for him.

    Now I’m kind of torn. I’m not sure if Rollo really did it. It would be so typical for that quick cutaway to mean it was really someone else, but… I think it was just drama in the moment. I think Rollo did it.

    Now I’m anxious to see what Lelouch will do to him when he finds out (if he did it). Lelouch would probably butter him up with some “brother” rant then Geass him to some ironic death.

  • July 8, 2008 at 7:36 pmKalessin

    We don’t actually see Shirley get wounded. I see two possible reasons for this:

    1. The writers are attempting to disguise who actually killed her. They made it look like Rolo but somehow it was someone else.
    2. They wanted more dramatic impact when Lelouch finds her. After all, as long as you hadn’t read spoilers about it, you didn’t know for sure that she was going to die. Until you saw her lying in a pool of her own blood there was always the possibility that Rolo hadn’t actually harmed her.

    Personally, I’m going for number 2. I think that Rolo really did kill her – probably because she was close to Lelouch and not only knew about Nunnally, but wanted to help Lelouch get her back – something that would threaten Rolo’s ideal life at this point. For it to be someone other than Rolo, there would have to be someone else with a reason to kill her who was ready and willing to do so. Also, they would likely have had to have been able to take Rolo on since he wasn’t there when Lelouch found Shirley.

    The only 2 people in the area who we actually know by name and were unattended were Sayoko and Suzaku. Sayoko was injured and – as far as it shows in the episode – stayed in the helicopter. I don’t even know why she came along – injured as she was. Regardless, I can’t believe that she’d kill Shirley. She’s too nice and knows that Lelouch cares about her. I would expect her to subdue Shirley and take her to Lelouch if she thought that Shirley was actually a threat.

    As for Suzaku, I can’t believe that he’d harm Shirley. His honor wouldn’t let him. His honor may lead him to do stupid things, but he absolutely refuses to kill innocent people. He doesn’t even seem to be found of killing guilty ones – especially if he knows them (he hasn’t really harmed Kallen in either season after all) – so I can’t see him harming Shirley. He might get information about Lelouch out of her if he realized that she had some, and he might even arrest her if he thought it necessary, bit I can’t believe that he’d kill her.

    Also, what about the fact that Rolo was missing when Lelouch arrived? We know that he carries his cellphone with him. If he was really worried about saving Shirley, then he’d have called for help. I suppose that he might have chased after Shirley’s killer, leaving her there to die, but wouldn’t he just use his geass on them? Neither Suzaku nor Sayoko could escape Rolo if he didn’t want them to. In either case, he definitely used his geass and the only reason that evident in that scene for why he would do that is to freeze Shirley because he doesn’t like what she’s saying and wants to harm her.

    I think that Rolo really did kill Shirley and that it’s another example of the continuing theme that past choices have unforeseen consequences on the present situation whether you like it or not. Lelouch used Rolo in order to solve certain problems early in R2, but one of the unforeseen consequences is that Rolo kills Shirley now.

  • July 8, 2008 at 7:55 pmmarinelzen

    Anyone could have killed Shirley, it might even have been an accident from rolo fighting with someone else.

    What we see:
    -Shirley Still Holding the Gun
    -Theres some blood splatter Forward of Shirley’s Feet while lying on the ground.
    -Shirley Fell Backwards onto her Back
    -Pool of Blood Under her body (which might indicate the stomach wound is a thru and thru) so she might be bleeding out her back also. So she could have been attacked from the rear.
    -Dont assume the wound is a gunshot (because she’s holding a gun) you cant tell what caused it.
    -didn’t implicate who or how she was hurt. she probably would have said something if it was rolo.

    Obvious killer
    activated geass (cannot stop objects)
    didnt have gun (when he fought jeremiah he didnt use one, unless he brought one along afterward)
    probably has a knife
    motive: anti nunnaly, jealousy
    Rolo is a skilled assasin he would not leave his target half alive, especially if she could tell lelouch he did it.

    Suzaku- overheard shirley/rolo conversation thus maybe thought shirley called him out so lelouch/shirley can kill him. Will know nwo that Rolo is on lelouch’s side and has been lying.
    -Has gun
    -super athletic skills
    -not seen after he goes into the station, but definately inside.
    -motive: revenge for lelouch killing euphie, or protecting himself

    -has throwing knives
    -lacks some judgement and observation of character skills
    -was milly’s maid knows milly has a thing for lelouch
    -is at the station though she is injured

    Im gonna throw jeremiah in here you know why?
    Shirley was already injured when lelouch was running up the stairway on the phone telling someone not to fight jeremiah, so jeremiah was not with lelouch for alittle. How much time has taken place when jeremiah left lelouch and lelouch runs into shirley. lelouch might have been doing some final preperations on the train alittle more after gaining jeremiah’s loyalty, there was a reason he went to the station.
    -has geass canceler
    -has a sword
    -motive (well he instantly killed lelouch’s geassed guards at school even though he just wanted to talk?) so hes not too concerned about not hurting lelouch’s allies.

    -Villeta she should be back at school in the command center

    So lets say Rolo/Shirley meets Jeremiah. And before finding out he switched sides
    Or Rolo/Shirley meets Suzaku. Suzaku does know about Rolo’s geass power I think.
    The better explain what really happened next episode so we can all end this discussion.

  • July 8, 2008 at 8:09 pmmundox

    Rolo shall die… a slow painful death.

  • July 9, 2008 at 12:03 amYukiruchan

    It’s been days and I’ve watched the episode atleast 6 times but I still can’t get the whole episode out of my mind. Especially about Shirley and Lelouch facing his third loss by death of a beloved one. T_T Sigh!
    It’s heart-wrenching!

    Lots of Rolo hate here lately. I just wanna say Rolo has nowhere near the level of hypocrisy Suzaku possesses, the kid has never known love before nor had a normal life nor does he know that life is the most valuable thing. He’s been raised up to kill all his life. All he wants is to protect his place with Lelouch, and Shirley saying that she wanted to bring Lelouch’s happiness (=Nunnally) back to him, naturally Rolo wouldn’t allow that. Nunnally will take his place. He thinks like that because he was brought up to think that way so I don’t think he deserves a slow painful death, he really is just a poor little child.

    I’m also in love with Jeremiah now! Long live Orange!! ^_^

    Plot like this (no one’s right or wrong at such an extreme level) is why I totally love Code Geass and Lelouch.
    Sigh! *is overfilled with love*

  • July 9, 2008 at 12:13 amshamaticgrl

    watching it again and again its soo sad how she died even though i wanted her dead a long time ago but not in that way… T_T it’s too horrible. poor Lelouch.

    it looks like the fight for Japan will be in episode 17 in August 3rd….too long T_T

  • July 9, 2008 at 4:23 amVertigo

    I strangly have a feeling shirley might come back in the last couple of eps.

  • July 9, 2008 at 4:51 amtomo

    bwahaha this is what you call karma! he killed euphry now shirley dies, someone kill kallen next!!!

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:47 amRemmell

    If you enjoy funny Code Geass comics feel free to check out my latest 4koma based on this recent episode.
    I make a new one once a week for my devArt profile.

  • July 9, 2008 at 12:26 pmreilina

    i have a feeling that kallen will be joining forces with suzaku, seeing her guren with that flyer type that britanian use.

  • July 9, 2008 at 12:27 pmJay

    Hey, now don’t go hating Rolo… it’s not for sure that he killed her, for all we know, he could’ve seen something behind her, and tried to freeze time to save her, but instead she got hit and he might’ve been wounded and wandered off. You never know, until it’s been clarified next episode. Come on, bring her back! ^^

  • July 9, 2008 at 1:53 pmYouwha?

    I don’t think Kallen joined Suzaku’s force with her own will, there has to be some sorta reason why she is on his side. This is probably cause she found out that Nunally is there, and knows how much Nunally means to Lelouch. So she probably stuck around so that she could protect her or obtain information. Either way I can’t see Kallen betraying Zero. But I do know that for sure she will be on Britania’s side for the time being. Hopefully there’s a legitamite reason for this though.

  • July 9, 2008 at 2:27 pmCencor


    Hell I’m hoping so she coming back too. Judging from the ED graphics, as shes the only one with angel wings (actually ON her), shes still gonna play some role in the plot.
    OR We could also interpret those angel wings as being ‘dead’… but I have doubts; as in the previous ED graphics, they had a few characters with those wings so would they die as well?

    Maybe these ‘Gods’ mentioned in this ep will revive Euphy and Shirley or something across those lines…

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:59 pmillusion

    HOLY SHIT, 417 comments!

    Rollo needs to die, srsly.

  • July 9, 2008 at 4:33 pmShabalabaDingDong

    ShabalabaDingDong BABY! Nunally kinda fails -_- but it’s good to see Lelouch showing some emotions so it’s ALL GOOD.

  • July 9, 2008 at 4:35 pmRemmell

    Seriously, I keep mentioning this time and again when people talking about Kallen switching sides. There is nothing concrete that says anything of the sort will happen. Look further back into these comments. I posted a link to the EXTENDED preview for episode 14. In it while you do see Kallen wearing a Britannian styled dress she is also being held in a cell. Nunnally can be seen talking with her. If she was cooperating with Britannia they wouldn’t be keeping her in a cell. It just looks that Nunnally had Kallen moved to a nice cell.
    Let’s also not forget that in the regular preview of for episode 14 you can clearly see someone grabbing the right hand control for the Guren. Judging from the jacket sleeve it looks like Lelouch. I don’t see why he would get the Gurne and not her as well.

    Let us also not forget that in this latest opening Kallen is shown twice in her Black Knight outfits. People keep pointing to that first shot saying she looks sad. None of the people in that short section of the opening look happy. The second time you see Kallen in the opening not only is she in her Black Knights flight suit, but she’s the first of the Black Knights you see and she looks very happy.

    I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the fact the Guren has similar wings to the Lancelot. In the one shot showing many Knightmare Frames the Tristan and the Mordrid have Black Knight style wings, but look closers.
    The Black Knight wing tips are red and the Britannian’s are green. Its the same difference with the wings on the Guren and Lancelot. the wing styles and colors are different.
    To bolster my argument even more. Go to the official Japanese website. The Guren, with these new upgrades, is clearly shown in the Black Knights section.

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:13 pmX

    For those people who hoped or wished that Shirley might still be alive. Even I thought of the possibility before, I mean not just the fact that this is an anime and anything can happen, but the fact that two characters lived after experiencing a near impossible event to escape with your life.

    These two characters are Jeremiah and Mao.

    Mao lived after having “hailed” with bullets from all directions -_-, because Lelouch did not order the police to “Kill him” but instead only ordered to “Fire at him/Shoot him”, and Mao also said it was due to the advance medical science.

    Jeremiah lived after having been burnt or exposed by the radiation field of Guren, but was experimented on. He lived again after C.C. dumped his knightmare in the ocean. He still managed to survive recently, even after he was close to death due to his body malfunctuning because of Lelouch’s trap.

    HOWEVER, in Shirley’s case, it is impossible for her to be still alive unfortunately. The reason? Simple. It is Lelouch’s geass command on Shirley, “Don’t Die”, even after Lelouch repeatedly commanded Shirley not to, in the end it was still futile. For her to die, despite the absolute obedience command, so this means that there is no way for her to be still alive.

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:32 pmKalessin

    I’d just like to say that I concur with Remmell. There’s no evidence for Kallen joining Britannia or working with them in any way. And even if the Guren was definitely on the side of the Britannians, I think that it would be more likely for it to be used by one of the Britannians than Kallen. I mean, honestly, would they ever trust her to fight against the OotBK? It would require the emperor to mess with her mind for that to happen and if they were to do that, it would pretty much require that a number of Britannians know about the emperor’s geass powers – including the other Knights of Rounds – since they wouldn’t agree to fight alongside Kallen otherwise. Besides, if the Emperor was going to do that, I would have expected him to do it already. Really, it doesn’t make much sense for Kallen to fight for Britannia and there’s no evidence for it.

    Now, as for Kallen being saved, given the episode summaries currently posted at http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/ , I’d be somewhat surprised to see Kallen saved before episode 16 (though I certainly hope that it happens). If it does happen in episode 14, it’ll pretty much have to happen in the first half and it looks like there’s no way that it’ll be happening in 15. The only place Kallen is mentioned anywhere states that a meeting with Nunnally and Suzaku is going to challenge her determination – whatever that means exactly. There is certainly no sign of an episode that is Kallen-centric and we have summaries through episode 17. Hopefully she’s saved near the beginning of the next episode. I don’t know if the hand seen in the Guren is Lelouch’s, but the fact that there is a hand in the Guren is rather promising. Interesting to note is that the left hand of that person is holding their right wrist as if their arm were injured.

    On a side note, the summaries for episodes 16 and 17 along with the title for episode 18 sure make it look to me like we’re actually going to see the end of Code Geass this season. Big stuff is on its way.

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:52 pmLulu FTW

    I do believe that this episode of Code Geass alone has gotten the most comments of any episode of any series on this site. o_O

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:53 pmRemmell

    Thanks Kalessin. Glad to see someone read that finally. You should check out my Code Geass 4komas on my devArt page. You might like them.

    Part of me that thinks that Kallen could be rescued is that train Lelouch was working on in the previous episode. He said the field the train will emit will shut down Tokyo. I keep thinking about why would Lelouch do that now? As Zero he was pardoned and exiled. What is in Tokyo right now that he wants? Only thing I can think of is Kallen and the Guren.

    I know because of the style in art it’s hard to tell the difference between make and female hands. I thought the same thing about how this person is moving their own hand to the control.
    I just assumed that was Lelouch’s hand because that jacket sleeve reminds me of the sleeve of Lelouch’s dark jacket. Like the one he wore when he was caught almost using Refrain. Also when Lelouch was trying to sneak past Shirley in the previous episode.
    Just seems odd that he would get the Guren and not Kallen as well.

  • July 9, 2008 at 6:16 pmKalessin

    I actually found your 4komas a while back before I even found this site when I was looking for good Code Geass wallpapers at deviantart. I was surprised to find out that you were the ones who did them. They tend to have more sex-related humor than I generally go for, but overall, they’re quite good. I’m impressed that you found something funny about episode 13. It was one big depress-fest after all (okay, not all of it was depressing, but very little of it was funny).

    I hate to say it, but the hand in the guren might be Suzaku’s. I’d have to take another look at the jacket that he was wearing in this last episode, but it might be that jacket – though why Suzaku would pilot it while injured, I don’t know (and I don’t know why else the person would be holding their right wrist with their other hand). I’d prefer for it to be Lelouch however. The hands look too masculine to be Kallen’s in either case.

    The fact that Lelouch was looking at the trains in episode 13 is promising in addition to the Guren screenshot. Given what he was saying, I would have expected him to use the trains when taking back Japan, but it looks like Lelouch is going to be trying to take back Japan in episode 17 and we don’t usually see pieces of Lelouch’s plans more than maybe an episode before they happen – if that – so the fact that we see them now means that there’s a good chance that they’ll be used in the next episode and since he’s not taking back Japan right now, the most likely reason would be to save Kallen.

  • July 9, 2008 at 6:56 pmRemmell

    Yeah, normally I like doing more sexual themed jokes, but I like doing others. I just thought it was funny how Cornillia cut him off while he was talking. I went with that.

    Yeah, why would Suzaku pilot the Guren when he has the Lancelot. As an artist I don’t see much of a difference between the male and female hands. At least when it comes to the age range of characters like Lelouch. They all have rather long, thin fingers.

    I wouldn’t think that Lelouch would used that disruptor field on his attack on Japan that looks to happen in later episodes. It would effect his Knightmare frames as well. Even with counter measures it slows them down. We noticed that the last time it was used on the Lancelot. I also doubt the less advanced frames would have such countermeasures. As we also know the field is only effects it’s targets while active. Once it’s lifted things go back to normal.
    Only problem I see is that the Guren shot is shown before Kallen talking with Nunnally, but I’m not sure everything shown in previews is in the order it will appear.
    There is still Shirley’s funeral for the start of the episode.

  • July 9, 2008 at 7:00 pmFlareKnight

    I’m just not sure if Lelouch would use a major card like the trains until he was planning on retaking Japan. After all if he uses it then its been shown and may not be available the next time. Rescuing Kallen would require some major undertaking and I’m not sure if he’s ready to officially go back on his ‘exile’ just yet. Though he did reuse the strategy of using the settlements set up twice which leads credence to using the trains to rescue Kallen and also showing cards more than an episode in advance.

    Just seems liek 14 might be too soon for a Kallen rescue. Haev the aftermath of Shirley’s death coming for a variety of characters. Also seems like Lelouch will be making his move against the Geass cult.Might be a bit too much to also rescue Kallen on top of it all. But we can’t ignore what seemed to be the Guren in the screenshot. I’m just not sure.

    At any rate I don’t think its Suzaku. Looking at the jacket he was wearing it seemed opposite. The cuff is dark and the jacket is a lighter colour which seems to be the opposite of the hand we saw in the preview. Hmm doesn’t seem like the jacket Lelouch was wearing from episode 7 either. Though honestly anyone could just put on a jacket that fits the description so sadly we’ve got little to work with there.

    Episode 13 certainly had some major depressing moments. But there was also hope shown there. Can only keep faith that the messages Shirley gave to characters like Lelouch and Suzaku won’t be lost.

  • July 9, 2008 at 8:20 pmKalessin

    I seriously wonder whether Kallen is going to be saved in the next episode – primarily because I question that there’s enough time to do it. Lelouch is going to be attacking the cult and that’s likely to make him a very busy man. If saving Kallen is very involved at all, it could easily take up an entire episode. There is no episode in sight in which Lelouch would have an entire episode to spend on saving Kallen. The only episode in the foreseeable future that might fit the bill is episode 16. The summaries for it appear to give more of a summary of the overall political situation rather than what happens in the episode – though that’s probably a sign that it’s going to be an episode where people do a lot of sitting around and talking rather than actual fighting or other major events.

    I’m also not sure why the writers would bother putting Kallen in a new, fancy cell just to have her saved minutes later (in screen time at least). The fact that we seen a screenshot of someone piloting the Guren who is obviously not in a Britannian uniform and the fact that we say Lelouch’s trains – when we rarely see much of Lelouch’s plans prior to their fulfillment – imply that we may actually end up with Kallen being saved in the next episode. Again, I question that there’s time for it but those two facts are enough to make you wonder.

    Of course, after seeing Zero’s helmet in the preview for episode 12, there was some hope that that meant that he was going to save Kallen then and there was a much more mundane explanation for it, so I don’t think that we can really derive a whole lot from the screenshots, but it’s enough to make you wonder and it’s certainly enough to make you hope.

  • July 9, 2008 at 8:28 pmmarinelzen

    I’ve viewed the important characters or items on lelouch’s side and britannia’s side like trading cards.
    It always has to be somewhat even. Either by trading sides or something being lost.
    almost every episode in R2 has been swapping cards.
    If lelouch is to lose kallen , someone has to be turned to lelouch’s side like ie:anya or britannia has to lose something.

  • July 9, 2008 at 8:50 pmFlareKnight

    Guess one of the questions is where is the Guren being stored? Might be a stupid move by Britannia to keep the pilot and the machine in nearby locations. Possible they could regain it if its in a more accessible location. Long as Kallen is still in Japan then she should be safe. He knows Nunnally won’t condone anything drastic happening, thus the move to a nicer(?) cell. If they moved to transfer her out to Britannia that would be the red flag to make a move. Or if they somehow made a move over Nunnally to execute her would make it a big affair to try and lure in Zero. Though I don’t think Suzaku would support an execution either. He wasn’t able to write it down for some random person who came for his head. While I’m sure Lelouch would want her back at the moment its probably alright to leave her there.

    With what happened to Shirley and his feelings about the Geass would want to strike down that facility first. Not to mention if he finds out Rollo is responsible will have another thing to consider. I guess we’ll see what Lelouch decides to do when the episode airs.

  • July 9, 2008 at 8:54 pmBryal

    I actually like how he’d been trading off his closest friends or the people that trust him the most. [Nunnely for Rolo, Kallen for Xing-Ke, and now Shirley for Orange] Next up is either Ohgi for Villetta or maybe even V.V. for C.C. though I doubt it will happen. It definitly supports how he’s doing this on his own and yet with allies. How else can this be possible unless you surround yourself with previous enemies.

  • July 9, 2008 at 9:01 pmRemmell

    Well, doesn’t the battle at the Order get cut off in the middle from what we read about the next episode. I believe it said something about in the middle of the battle Lelouch is sent to the “World of C”. The first act will most likely involved Shirley’s funeral. The third act will be the battle. That leaves for something to happen in the second act.
    Like I stated earlier. Those disruptor nets traps wouldn’t be of great use in a large scale battle.
    They only work while they are on and would most likely disrupt the Black Knights frames as well. In your lesser frames this would work to shut them down, but more advanced frames they would slow down. Though countermeasures only make the frames slower.
    Who’s to even say that the Britannian’s would even figure where that effect was coming from if Lelouch was to use it to rescue Kallen. When it turns on everything using Sakuradite shuts down.
    Only other tactic would be to activate that net and attack the city from outside the range on the Ikaruga, but what motive does Lelouch have to try and level Tokyo? That isn’t Lelouch’s style. I’ve never seen a full scale attack he’s done that has “targeted” civilians, and that kind of attack would endanger Nunnally.

    I can’t wait for Kallen to be rescued. All these ideas she will betray them are starting to get annoying.

  • July 9, 2008 at 9:45 pmFlareKnight

    Who’s to say that with all this time Rakshata hasn’t come up with a way to keep their units moving through that net? With her being an expert on it I wouldn’t put it past her. Even if it was just to have regular units be slowed that would be huge enough of an advantage. Not to mention even Britannia found a way to keep Lancelot moving so the Gefjun Disturbers are hardly perfect. We haven’t even seen them used against the Black Knights since Kallen ran right into one early in season 1.

    He could still use the trains to rescue Kallen, but that could still happen at a later date. Besides how long would it have taken to set up the system in the trains? Force has been in China and I didn’t see a huge team come back with him. So possible it was set up before the Black Rebellion even happened. Meaning he had a reason for it more than just to rescue someone from a kidnapping he didn’t even know was going to happen.

    Time wise I just don’t think it fits into the next episode. Episode is only about 24 minutes long. The funeral will take some time, then you have Lelouch in disarray about what happened and his feelings concerning the Geass. Could also have issues surrounding other characters that would also take up time. Much as I’d love to get Kallen back quickly might some more time.

  • July 10, 2008 at 12:09 amzxn666

    u kno, i’m personally thinking that the end of the series would probably result in a super-climactic battle as he emperor tries to “destroy” god and Lelouch goes and prevents him. I mean, if you look at the OP, they show some kind of immense battle in space when Toudou was flying with his Akatsuki.
    And the thing with the Guren/Lancelot lookalikes is probably going to show up at the end. Kallen wouldn’t betray Lelouch, cuz its not her style. Suzaku would probably forgive Lelouch, especially since Shirley told him that she already has. Then, it’ll be one godly battle at the end.

  • July 10, 2008 at 1:29 amRemmell

    I was of the thought that if a countermeasure that was that effective was even possible Lloyd would of created one by now. Especially after the Lancelot was trapped in it twice in the fist season.

    I don’t know. How long did they take for Shirley’s father’s funeral? Maybe a minute or two. I mean that wont take up the first act. The previous episode had about three acts. First was Shirley’s struggle with her renewed memories, and Jeremiah’s attack on the school. Second act was Shirley trying to figure out who to trust, and Jeremiah’s chase of Lelouch. The third and final act was Jeremiah confrontation, and Shirley’s death.
    They could probably fit the entire funeral for Shirley before the opening. Must like they did with her dream sequence. It is nice that it looks like Villetta will be there at Shirley’s funeral. Would be nice to know if she expresses any regret for treating her harshly. Though I doubt it would get that deep. Will be interesting to see who Suzaku tries to blame.

  • July 10, 2008 at 3:40 amF_chan

    Ah, just one question that I’d really one to ask: DOES MILLY-CHAN LOVE LELOUCH? I’ve seen many people say this thing as though it’s obvious, but I haven’t spotted any clues (or may have missed them) in the series. Can somebody answer me please?

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:00 amKalessin

    Rewatch episode 12 of R2. I think that they make it fairly clear that she has at least some feelings for him. Sayoko even suggests that Milly was at least somewhat serious in wanting to get Lelouch’s hat and thus get together with him. Milly admits that she was at least somewhat serious. It’s also pretty clear that she when she tells the school to get Lelouch’s hat for her that she had to think about it first as if she really wanted to but wasn’t sure she had the courage to.

    Beyond episode 12 of R2, there are likely hints here and there, but Milly is pretty good about hiding her feelings and while she may like him, she seems to care enough for Shirley that she wants Shirley to be with him. I’d say that she certainly likes him but that she’s basically resigned to never get him.

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:04 amRemmell

    I had wondered about that as well, but from what I hear there was an audio drama that showed that when Milly first met Lelouch that she fell in love with him. Sayako knew about this. That’s why in that previous episode she talks about how she would like to let Milly catch her, but she knows the importance of her mission. She also teases Milly at the end by saying how he was probably a little serious about that idea.

    You know with Shirley dead and Milly graduated. This makes Rivalz the only stable member of the student counsel. If Rolo goes into the battle I don’t see how they could keep up Lelouch’s charade of not having his memories back.
    The Rounds don’t count, because they often have to leave for military reasons.

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:44 amAsk

    It is clear that VV and Orange-kun knew that Lelouch has his memories back, so maybe Charles knew that too. So I think that the truth will rapidly be revealed.
    Show Spoiler ▼

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:19 amWingZero zxt

    HUH????? you do realise that Milly and Lelouch are like first cousins dont u???? im not sure if that was mentioned or not all i know is i open this up just to find you saying Milly wanted lelouch? thats a little disturbing.
    Ohyeh my point! Which one of you said kallen was an important character? LOL shes been in a loose captivity now for coming up to 4 episodes! and theres no prospect of her being released anytime soon! this seems like a, ‘watch how we blow this up in your face’ ploy by the writers (shirley was a bigger one though so we missed it!)kallen will obviously be bck later though even if just to die .
    LOL at shirleys last words? Ive aways found the whole last words thing to be amusing even when the character says somthing heartwarming or profound right before they die! I mean COMON!!!! it amuses me that the first thing that she said was all that (admittedly trajic) romantic drivel(although well written) and not, ‘OMG why am i bleeding to death on the second story of a shopping mall in front of a stained glass window?’.
    @zxn666 im fairly certain that was not in space with the buildings all about and also the clouds and the fact that the FLOAT *ehem* system still works (although the second point can be circumvented by about three seconds of science fiction drivel from any of the main characters) also can someone give me a link to the spoilers page again please
    @X whilst its true that shirley is definately dead your reasons arent entirely accurate! just because someone looses a lot of blood and falls unconscious doesnt mean theyre dissobeying lelouch’s geass!
    Also as regards storing the guren its probably not too! stupid storting a mech with no battery in the same place as the pilot with a straight jacket on! (yes i know they would have had to power it up atleast once to get the fulltech specs but i doubt they left the power in!) Also now nunallys got her sh prob wont try to escape specially since lelouch told her not to!
    Q. is the sigfried MAN-TANK er i mean Bismark’s KMF? apparently that shows up in ep 14

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:36 amRemmell

    I was thinking about it. We see someone taking the control of the Guren’s right hand. What’s the point of stealing the Guren back if you don’t get Kallen as well. Who would pilot the Guren? All the more important pilots have their own Knightmare Frames. Even Lelouch has his own personal Frame.
    Even the opening shows her importance to the story. Her frame is shown so prominently and always been the balance against Lancelot. Really, she’s one of the only few girls who hasn’t kissed Lelouch yet. Always come close, but not quite gone there yet.

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:51 amWingZero zxt

    Really ? who else has kissed lelocuh i thought it was just shirley and C.C . kallen kaguya, and no one else have its balanced at very best

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:54 amWingZero zxt

    Also Ali Project Rock!!!! theyve pretty much cornered the market when i comes to creepy sounding music

  • July 10, 2008 at 6:10 amRemmell

    I haven’t seen anything that says the Milly and Lelouch are first cousins. I’ve only seen that the Ashford family were big supporters of Marianne. For Milly to be a first cousin that would mean that either Milly’s mother or father would have to be the brother or sister of Marianne. Now that I think about it more. Marianne’s maiden name was Lamperouge. That would mean Milly’s mother would of had to of been Marianne’s sister to make them first cousin.

    I didn’t really count Kaguya. While she is utterly devoted to Zero, she has never seen his face. Though she may know him. She is Suzaku’s cousin and did seen Lelouch and Nunnally.
    I just find it more interesting that with Kallen several times we have come so close to these intimate moments only to have something cut them off. We also know that Kallen hasn’t even had her first kiss. The fact there has always been a little distance between them almost seems to give her a better chance in the end.

    I’m surprised on wikipedia there is so little information about the Audio Dramas and Picture Dramas. It would be nice if someone wrote summaries of those.
    I also heard that there are “Light Novels” that talk more about Marianne’s youthful adventures. Speaking about her riding a horse into the Great Hall, and challenging the other imperial wives to a fight. I’ve read those are being translated into English. Those sound like they would make for a good read.

  • July 10, 2008 at 6:29 amWingZero zxt

    Good point although if you only vount the girls who have kissed him + kallen then obv theres gonna abe a slanted statistic LOL
    Is anyone else worried about the whole britannia thing being legit as in C.C being rogue and pointlessly evil an mnipulating lelouch for her nefarious plot? because whenever i think about thefact that suzakus still a traitor for a very weak reason and here the emperor say things like only fools go to war it makes me think they arent as evil as we were initially lead to beleive also V.V. saying that ‘the Gods’ are the ones who needlessly pit humanity against one another so they must be stoppd at all costs. it seems like some of what theyre doing seems legit! I HATE stories where the bad guy turns out to be the good guy in the end!
    A millyxlelouch I HOPE NOT because its lame and that would mean milly dying!!! (if u think about it!)
    Im also a strong proponent of the whole suzaku getting his comeupants because so far h has still gone almost completely (if not FULLY) unpunished for betraying japan and betraying his best friend
    Also did anyone note lelouch word slip right in forn of suzaku somthing like ,’ i dont want to loose anyone ever again’
    Please notify me of the light novels becoming avail in english

  • July 10, 2008 at 9:00 amshadowblack

    …And yet, Bartley mentioned something about the “worst crime in history” if their hypothesis is correct. Since their guess was about V.V. and the Emperor trying to kill the gods (and, as we know, it is correct)…

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:01 ammiharuyuki

    I’ve been thinking… I’m not very convinced that re-Geassing a Geass-canceled person actually works. I mean, when Lelouch was re-Geassing Shirley to not die, the modification of neural patterns was unlike the first time she was Geass-ed. Instead, it looked rather distorted to me, like her brain is all mangled up. Any ideas about that?

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:06 amshadowblack

    You noticed that now? The “modification of neural patterns” you speak of has been like that ever since R2 started. It’s the same thing EVERY time he geasses a person, not just Shirley. Didn’t anyone notice that in 13 eps?

    I’m not sure if the change is due to Lelouch’s geass turning permanent and/or more powerful, or if there’s another reason we are unaware of.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:28 amWingZero zxt

    i hope so yet regardless bartley could have the wrong end of the stick its V.V word against his and the writers could have played it either way. im genuinely hoping that its as it seems with the emperor being evil and what not but every now and then the characters say somthing which make me have my doubts and with this series being the way it is i can only doubt!
    And yes i did notice… we all did except some *ehem*….

  • July 10, 2008 at 11:32 amWingZero zxt

    Ahhh we need kallen bck lelouch without kallen is like the power rangers without the Megazord!

  • July 10, 2008 at 11:59 amWingZero zxt

    omgoodness im so bored i actually continued the power rangers parallel in my mind!

    Toudu,Chiba,Asahina,Ougi=Black,pink,blue,yellow rangers
    Kallen=Red ranger aka the head of the megazord without which it wont work properly
    and either C.C> or Suzaku as the green ranger becuse we are all hoping suzaku defects and comes to his senses or C.C because she has green hair!

    Incase u havent noticed im incredibly bored today!

  • July 10, 2008 at 12:21 pmmagixiii

    Am I the only one that thinks that Kallen being on Britaina’s side for whatever reason and fighting the order of the black knights would make a great plot?

  • July 10, 2008 at 3:56 pmX

    I believe that Lelouch and Milly arent first cousins, heck I dont think they are related at all! I mean one of the picture dramas (drama 5 i think), Jeremiah mentions that Lelouch and Nunnally are adopted by Marianne, which means that Milly and Lelouch arent cousins or even related. However even if they are, there is no romance going on between the two, perhaps just a secret love or attraction from Milly towards Lelouch, but Lelouch on the other hand sees her nothing more but as a friend. I mean not once have I heard Lelouch called Milly her first name, it’s always been “President”.

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:04 pmX

    @miharuyuki: Yes, it’s quite obvious that Lelouch’s geass worked, why? Shirley was about to die earlier, when she first started to close her eyes, I believe before the “reborn” dialogue scene. So when Lelouch geassed her, she was able to open her eyes again, and said her final words.

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:47 pmKalessin

    I thought that I read somewhere that Marianne’s family was the Ashfords – which is why I’m surprised to see that Wikipedia claims that Lamperouge was her maiden name. As far as I know, within the show it has never been stated that Lamperouge was anything other than the name that Lelouch picked – let alone his mother’s maiden name. It’s obvious that there’s some connection between the Ashfords and Marianne since they had the Knightmare that she was working on (though according to one of the picture dramas the Ashfords used to make knightmares. They went out of business because Milly’s grandfather spent too much money on parties) and they took Lelouch and Nunnally in. Whether or not there is a family connection between them, I don’t know. I recall Lelouch saying that Marianne wasn’t nobility to begin with, so that would imply that she wasn’t actually related to the Ashfords.

    However, even if Lelouch and Milly were cousins, that doesn’t necessariy mean that they are first cousins. And even if they were first cousins, I don’t get the impression that people care about that in Code Geass quite the same way that they do in the “real world” right now. I know that it used to be okay in Europe for first cousins to marry and I suspect that it was elsewhere as well. I get the impression that the royalty in Code Geass function somewhat like those of the middle ages (like marrying a little girl). Euphemia and Nunnally both wanted to marry Lelouch whene they were younger and they’re both his sisters. Now, that may have simply been the naivety of childhood, but still….

    Of course, even if they’re first cousins and Milly likes him, notice that she didn’t actually go after him much as she might have wanted to. Maybe them being cousins was part of why she didn’t.

  • July 10, 2008 at 4:52 pmKalessin

    You’re probably not the only person that thinks that it would make for a great plot for Kallen to fight against the OotBK, but at least in terms of those that are vocal on the subject, you’re definitely in the minority. And, honestly, even if it could be a great plot, I’m not particularly interested in the idea because I don’t like it when good guys are forced to fight each other. That would just be horrible for the OotBK (especially Lelouch) and – assuming that Kallen did it due to the emperor messing with her head (I don’t know why else she would) – it would be horrible for Kallen when she was fixed. The whole Euphemia business was bad enough.

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:40 pmRemmell

    I’ve always read that the Ashford family just lost their status due to the support of Marianne. The Ashfords didn’t take Lelouch and Nunnally in until after the attack on Japan and they were declared dead. If they were family then why wouldn’t they of been sent to the Ashford’s rather then to the shrine.
    I thought the whole point of Milly’s marriage was to bring nobility ‘back’ to the family. I also thought in the audio drama that his first meeting with Milly was when he first came to live at the academy. If she was his cousin wouldn’t he of met her before then. You’d think that Marianne would of, at some point, taken her kids to go meet her siblings, if she had any. Lelouch obviously got to know many of his own half siblings.
    If Marianne’s maiden name was Lamperouge that would explain where where Lelouch and Nunnally got that name from.
    I think Milly does care for Lelouch, but knew how much Shirley cared for him.

    Kallen fighting against the Black Knights would be a plot twist, but it wouldn’t make any sense. I’m hoping in this next episode Lelouch gets the Guren and Kallen.

    I have heard that the light novels of Code Geass are being translated into English and are due out some time around the end of summer. Just do an internet search on “Code Geass Light Novels” and you should find something.

  • July 10, 2008 at 7:45 pmWingZero zxt

    thats the point though! lelouch and nunally were sent to the shirne as political prisoners under the care of suzakus family thats why they werent given to the ashfords ! they were used somehow in a political plot! Jeremiah was refering to marrianes ORPHANS! im quite certain that marriane is defintely lelouch mother! We know that lamperouge was his mothers name although i cant remember exactly when it was revealed. (probably in one of his random labored conversations with nunally in S1)
    @Kal yeh dont ever compare what happened to euphie with a posible kallen brainwashing what happened with Euphie was FAR FAR worse and is currently the only thing stretching suzakus stance into the null space between validity and stupidity (still closer to straight up retarded hence the stretching!)
    Valid point about the potential for inbreeding within the royalfamily however!

  • July 10, 2008 at 8:16 pmKalessin

    @WingZero zxt
    No Euphemia dying and a brainwashed Kallen are not really equivalent. However, in both cases, you get a girl not only being destroyed by a geass but killing people that she cared about. Euphemia was hated as a result of what happened to her and there would be at least some risk of the same happening to Kallen (albeit on a much smaller scale in all likelihood). It’s just plain a nasty situation. I, for one, certainly don’t want to see Kallen end up with such a fate – even if it’s only only a fraction of how bad it was with Euphemia.

  • July 10, 2008 at 9:03 pmAndy

    I bet Lelouch will get rid of his geass for good! Sinces he maybe realized that his power can only cose more pain and loneiness.

  • July 10, 2008 at 11:21 pmRemmell

    Cornillia’s actions interest me. It’s certainly in her character to try and redeem Euphy’s name, but how did she learn about the Geass. This means that someone must of told her about it. It wasn’t V.V., because they just met at the cult.
    Also why go after the Order to clear Euphy’s name. You’d think it would be to expose Zero. That Zero had the Geass power.

  • July 11, 2008 at 1:21 amKalessin

    Perhaps some of the more powerful members of the royal family – like Cornelia and Scheizel – have at least heard rumors about Geass if not actually knowing about it and Cornelia decided that it must have been Geass that made Euphemia do something so out of character and so she went to hunt them down and force them to admit what they’d done to Euphemia. Either she suspects that Zero has a geass and it’s therefore the Cult’s fault and they must be brought into the open in order to clear Euphemia’s name or that they geassed her themselves and she has to bring them out into the open to clear Euphemia’s name. While she might hate Zero for actually being the one to kill Euphemia, she may very well recognize that it was necessary given what Euphemia was doing, and regardless of whether she recognizes that fact, the knowledge of Geass must be public in order to publicly explain what happened to Euphemia – whether it was Zero’s doing or not.

    Still, it’s interesting that she’s going after the Cult and not Zero. I suppose that it shows a combination of knowledge and sophistication on her part that we probably didn’t expect. Just going after Zero would have been the more obvious choice after all.

  • July 11, 2008 at 2:29 amdth

    Orange-kun must exact vengeance for us!!!!
    Cant wait to see VV go coo coo

  • July 11, 2008 at 3:00 amRemmell

    Okay. I get what you mean. You’re saying that someone either led Cornillia to believe, or she came up with the idea herself that Zero was sent by the Order or is a member of the Order.
    I would think that if Cornillia had heard about the Geass before hand she would of known what had happened earlier. I’m thinking someone told her about it who treated her wounds. This would most likely mean that She has no memory that Zero is Lelouch.
    That kind of sounds like what Lelouch has planned for the next episode. Previews talk about Lelouch blaming the Geass for Shirley’s death and thus wants to take out the order. Though, how would he know that the Geass was responsible for her ‘death’.

    It’s also interesting how fast she discovered where the Order is located.

    I saw on that link you posted a while ago that the image of Kallen in the Britannian dress is accompanied the the text, “Though Lelouch promised to rescue her, her life is in Britannian hands. The meeting with Suzaku and Nunnally will test her determination.”. Sounds like what I thought would happen. They are going to try strike some kind of deal with her. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try and involve her mother.
    I don’t think she will accept. I’ve heard that there is a quote she has in the next episode, “I’ll remain risen.”. To guess I’m assuming someone asked, or ordered her to sit. The quote is kind of odd though. In the extended preview she’s seen sitting in her cell and Nunnally is a distance away. Probably talking with her. I’m also guessing that shot we see of Suzaku in a lift, is him leaving after she’s refused, or him coming after leaving Shirley’s funeral.
    I’m a little surprised Nunnally wouldn’t attend the funeral, but I’m not surprised since for sure Lelouch would be there and Nunnally will be kept busy.
    It’s often surprised me that, while in Japan, Nunnally hasn’t even visited the academy. Though they; Suzaku and Miss Romeria, if she knows about the whole mind altering deal, would want to keep her away since everyone there wouldn’t remember her.

  • July 11, 2008 at 3:47 amMuriel

    Everybody have been talking about what might happen with Kallen, but no one have mentioned a fact… how much of an affect Shirley´s dead is going to make in her… she was her friend too, and Kallen cares much for the Student Council, even for the damn bastard (aka Suzaku); maybe Suzaku uses Shirley´s dead to persuade her… changing the facts, and that this is another tragedy of Zero an all that crap he says…at least Im sure he will tell her.
    I know Kallen would not switch sides voluntary, no one has said that she woul because shell feel like it… obviously itll be by force, or if Lulu asks her…

  • July 11, 2008 at 3:53 amshadowblack

    You’re forgetting something. Remember when Cornelia knighted Suzaku and told him that Zero is going to Kaminejima? She also mentioned that she can’t remember something, and Suzaku’s reaction was “Geass?”. I’m pretty sure he said that out loud, and so Cornelia probably heard him. Perhaps that is what made her go searching for geass.

    Also remember that she had over an year to search for the Order, unlike Lelouch who did nothing for an entire year because he didn’t remember who he is. So Cornelia finding the Order really wasn’t that fast.

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:08 amKalessin

    I wasn’t really trying to suggest that Cornelia thought that Zero was sent by the Cult. My point is that because Geass is what destroyed Euphemia, it’s Geass that matters. And as the Cult is where Geass comes from, it’s the Cult that matters. Remember that even if someone knows that it was a Geass that messed with Euphemia, it’s not a guarantee that they suspect Zero. He was with her right before she went nuts, but the only thing that he did to her publicly was shoot her. So, while it may be that Cornelia knows that the Euphemia was affected by a Geass, she doesn’t necessarily know that it was Zero.

    It was either Zero who used a Geass on her – having gotten his Geass from the Cult (there’s a good chance that Cornelia wouldn’t know about C.C.) – or it was someone sent by the Cult that did it. In either case, it was the Cult that made it possible to destroy Euphemia and it is the Cult who must be revealed publicly in order for the nature of Geass to be revealed publicly which is what would make it possible for Euphemia’s name to be cleared. And, of course, if the Cult are the ones that ruined Euphemia, Cornelia’s bound to want revenge on top of restoring Euphemia’s good name.

    So, because Geass is to blame, the Cult is to blame. If Cornelia really wanted to go after Zero himself, she would have already, so I don’t think that she’s blaming him at this point. However, regardless of who she blames, it’s likely that the Cult would have to be revealed in order to reveal the truth about Geass and thus restore Euphemia’s good name, so she’s going after the Cult.

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:33 amRemmell

    Just because Suzaku might of said “Geass” out loud that doesn’t mean she would know what it meant. Not like you could do a Google search and find out what Geass is, let alone a whole religious order behind it. Someone must of explained to her what Geass is.
    I doubt Cornillia had a whole year to search. She was severely injured and must of required rest while he healed enough. It appears like she is still healing. The way her arm is harnessed her her outfit. That implies it wasn’t that long ago she left where she was being cared for.

    I know Kallen cared for the student counsel members, but I don’t see how hearing about her death could cause Kallen to turn against the Black Knights, or give up the fight.
    I’m not so sure that Suzaku would mention Shirley’s death in front of Nunnally. Remember that no one at Ashford should remember Nunnally. If she decided to go to Ashford to visit and express her condolences it might cause trouble.
    I think it’s more likely they will try and use Kallen’s mother, in jail, against her. Maybe offering her mother early release if she gives them information on the Black Knights.

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:49 amRemmell

    What I was trying to say was that Cornillia might think that Zero is from the Order. It doesn’t take a detective to figure out that Zero Geassed Euphy. They went into a room alone together and next thing she comes out and goes on a killing spree. Though of course no one will remember Zero running out and trying to stop her.
    If Cornillia knows about the Geass she would know what happened.

    We already have a good idea that Lelouch’s attack on the Order will be successful. Since they are holdings Cornillia it will be interesting to see what happens there. I’d really like for Lelouch to tell Cornillia what happened to her sister was an accident. I think for as much as Lelouch cared for Euphy he owns Cornillia that much, and be interested as well in clearing her name. Just not his top priority right now.

    I am really surprised the Order is going to be the target so soon. I would of thought they would be at the end. Sort of, attack and bring down Britannia, then at the end of the series they go after the ‘evil cult’ that started all this pain. Thus leading them to try and stop the destruction of the gods. That just sounds more dramatic.
    What shocked me about Suzaku was when the Emperor told him about his plan. I mean, if your boss told you, “I’m going to destroy the gods.”, wouldn’t a normal reaction be, “Alright, I’m… going out to get some milk. Good luck with your crazy ass plan.” running for the hills? Something like that might tell you that you are working for the wrong side of things.

  • July 11, 2008 at 6:04 amshadowblack

    We don’t really know how bad Cornelia’s wounds were. Mao seemed pretty dead when he got shot, and not long after that he reappeared pretty healthy. So maybe Cornelia was in a hospital for a while, and then, when she felt well enough, ran away (even though she wasn’t fully healed). Even if it wasn’t an entire year several months are a long time, so she may have found something about geass without anyone telling her.

    Another thing that supports this theory is Guilford – from his words so far I got the impression that Cornelia has been missing for quite some time (at least a few months), and no one has any idea where she may be.

  • July 11, 2008 at 7:10 amDarkloco

    For all those that keep saying kallen will betray the oobk, i just want to say there is no way she will betray them or lulu. I come to this conclusion for many reasons. First look at the chart the lulu had up with the ranking of all the oobk. In it it shows kallen is the only one with 100% loyalty on her chart. Second i was also worried about her getting her mind wiped clean by the lulus dad, but once nunnally showed up and took her from the cell that pretty much ruled out kallen being taken to brittania. Nunnuly wouldnt allow any harm to come to kallen. And Kallen wont simple switch sides for any other reason. Now she could protect nunnuly if something were to happen, but I cant see what would make her fight any of the oobk. Kallen is simple going to be given a hard time by Suzaku, but kallen will remember having her feelings waver in that cave were she ran after finding out lulu was zero. She will strengthen her resolve remembering his promise to save her, because i think Kallen is totally in love with lulu.
    Lastly, there is also no way she can end up with suzaku, look at the look she gave him when she was captured on that table. If looks could kill he would already be dead, even with his advantage in his live geass. She hates his guts.Kallen betraying lulu wont happen.
    I just truly wonder when the hell he will save her. It would be perfect if he saves her before heading to the geass cult. But that might be fitting in too much,in one episode.
    It would be a big mistake to wait til he comes back to japan for that big battle to free her in my opinion.Too damn long….
    My poor kallen needs saving soon….

  • July 11, 2008 at 8:56 amWingZero zxt

    TITLE:~ Cornelia VS Suzaku, Kazkuki and Gaius Baltar ~:TITLE

    The thing with cornelia is that it seems to me that she simply just recognised lelouchs intentions (aka the whole rebellion thing!
    And since she respected marriane she didnt want to stop him and thought that at the very least if the cult is exposed i can clear Euphys name! we know she knows that lelouch is Zero because she saw him anda had a good chat with him before he geasses her the memory loss only affects what you were told whilst u were under the power of geass (much like rolos only with him u dont do anything!) just as we saw howe villeta retained her memory of seeing lelouch before she got geassed! the same can be said for the others though it must be said that she wasnt exactly lucid when she was geassed!(Darltons throw was Legendary!!!) Also just because she had her wounds treated doesnt mean she was missing from the begining she probably had her wounds treated in brittania then went underground to find the cult (schniziel is ovviously to lazy or to much of a pretty boy to be investigating in that manner although hes apparently been researching for longer!) maybe hes colaborating with her long distance like! we know se escapes to him later!

    As for Kallen i think tht she wontget saved til ep 15 at earliest as ive mentioned before and the reason for that is Shirley JUST died! meaning lelouch wont care about anything else for atleast antoher episode! (the writers had two choices when giving shirley bck her memories! give her a bk uni or kill her off and since this is code geass the choice was pretty much made for them! ohwell meh!) does anyone know what the sigfried is? i think it might be Bismarks frame but i aint sure! if u got pics shw me before sunday! Lelouch wont be in to kallen after shirley dying reckon atleast ot for the first couple of eps and having kallen and suzakus relationship turn around is not totally impossible but im still hoping for suzaku to die! (Which seems increasingly unlikely as the series goes on! (seriously its annoying me. Hated Characters 1. Suzaku 2. kazuki from dragonaught 3. Fllay from Seed 4. Azrael from seed 5. Sarshes from double 0 6. Gaius Baltar from BSG 7.Spongebob 8. Neeba from druaga. 9.Prince guy from dragonaught 10.the entire cast eastenders [Yes my hatred runs deep!]
    Its unfortunately possible for them to stop hating if the possiblity of mech collab between rakshata and lloyd comes true due to suddlnly having a common enemy! (though i hope not i hope the mechs are just reverse captured by each other and they make new ones from the findings!

  • July 11, 2008 at 9:49 amshadowblack

    @WingZero zxt
    “we know se escapes to him later!”
    No, we don’t. That was speculation and nothing more. Unless it has been confirmed in recent spoilers, which I doubt. While it makes sense and may indeed happen it is not something guaranteed.

    “does anyone know what the sigfried is?”
    Jeremiah’s knightmare from the end of season 1.

  • July 11, 2008 at 9:53 amorg

    someone previously proposed this theory and im quite suprised noone answered to that.
    suzaku killed shirley under the geass command after she threatened him. it makes perfect sense. suppose he crashed in on rollo and shirley, shirley already figured out that suzaku isnt on lulu sides, so from there to the full truth, that suzaku captured him and sold him out, its only a short step. so she threatens him with her gun and he defends himself under the activated geass.
    i kinda remember that in one of the pre-R2 spoilers it was said that suzaku would do something under the geass that he hated himself for, so that would fit perfectly(besides there has to be a reason why we get reminded its still on him).
    plus while i think that rollo is quite able to do the deed it somewhat confuses me how he could fool lulu into believing he didnt do it and since theres no way lulu would forgive him thats what would have to happen (remember the scene from the first op where the bk airforces invade that town from the sea and lulu watches from the horse? i think thats the invasion of japan and rollo clearly is on their side then)

    the only flaw in this i can see is that rollo probalby would try to kill suzaku if he crashed in on them

  • July 11, 2008 at 3:52 pmKalessin

    While it’s not unthinkable that Suzaku would kill Shirley because of Lelouch’s “Live!” command, I really doubt that he would have had the opportunity to. Rolo was right there and about to use his Geass. For Suzaku to be able to attack Shirley, Rolo would either have to let him or he couldn’t be there because his Geass could easily stop Suzaku.

    We don’t know for certain who killed Shirley, but Rolo was about to use his Geass and he had a really nasty look on his face. From what Shirley was saying to Rolo, I doubt that she would have stayed there had he left. She would have likely wanted to help him help Lelouch. So, unless Rolo froze her and left, Rolo would pretty much have had to have been there whenever the “real” killer showed up. And since he’d be able to stop the real killer with his Geass if he were there, Shirley wouldn’t die.

    Also, remember that just because Suzaku has to protect himself, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s going to kill. The assassin that attacked him earlier in the season was disabled by him – not killed. In addition, there was the look that Rolo had on his face before he used his Geass; he looked like he was about to do something nasty.

    So, I’d say that it’s conceivable that Suzaku killed Shirley because of the “Live!” command, but Rolo would have to be gone and Suzaku would have to feel really threatened by Shirley (which I find hard to believe). We don’t know for sure that Rolo did it, but it sure looks like he did.

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:02 pmMuriel

    Ok I like that theory, in fact I was of the first persons that thought that Suzaku was guilty, but since people blew me up I stop writing it…
    First it was for revenge on euphie and then it was because Shirleys joining to Lulu and Suzaku hearing this decision…
    Yours seems more reasonable, we know Suzaku wouldn´t kill Shirley voluntary… so here goes mine again… just for the pleasure of keeping the speculations…
    Shirley and Rollo talk about Lulu, in the moment Shirley says Nunally, Rollo sees Suzaku, Rollo thinking that Suzaku has heard them, is decided to kill him, so geasses both of them, so Shirley can´t see him killing, but here comes the problem if Suzaku is under the influence of another geass (Rollo geass) the other geass can activates itself? (Lulu´s order), if thats the case then while Rollo is going to attack Suzaku, Suzakus order moves him somehow… and then Shirley becomes the victim… Rollo runs out by fear or whatever… and Suzaku runs too blaming himself after going crazy…
    An here goes another theory just to keep me busy… Rollo and Shirley are talking, Shirley says Nunally, Rollo uses his geass to kill her, but then Suzaku comes and enters the area of geass, so Rollo desactivates it quickly, Suzaku threatens Rollo, Shirley tries to protect him and points her gun at Suzaku but she has no intentions of hurting him, she gets closer to Suzaku Aand his geass activates, trying to disarm her she gets shot… ok thats all
    I think that Rollo didnt do it, but that he did habe the intention to… I think someone else did it that wasnt Suzaku, Jeremiah, Sayoko, Villeta…
    About a Suzaku Kallen, its a crime to say that, and I didnt pretend to put it like that, I just meant that she cared no in a romantic way, but in the way she cared for the student council members, dont you remember how hard it was for her the day she had decided to kill him in S1, and the relief she and Todou showed when they were told that Suzaku shouldnt be killed… obviously this had changed too much and she dont likes him, but I think she prefers him changing his mind than killing him…

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:08 pmMuriel

    A something more, Shirley didnt say anything about Rollo while she was dying, remember Rollo´s geass just stops time, but doesnt cause amnesia… she could have given a clue…

  • July 11, 2008 at 5:27 pmKalessin

    I certainly think that it would be interesting if Suzaku was the one that killed Shirley, but I do think that it’s stretching things a bit. You do come up with a couple of semi-plausible theories. However, if Suzaku shot Shirley, wouldn’t he have called the paramedics and stuck around? I suppose that he might have chased after Rolo if he thought that Rolo had switched sides, but there really wasn’t anything in that conversation to indicate that he had. Shirley was doing all of the talking. So, Suzaku might have a reason to freak out about Shirley, but not Rolo. If Rolo attacked him because he thought that what Shirley said implied that she knew that Lelouch’s memory was back (in spite of the fact that she had no idea that he’d lost it in the first place) and Suzaku was able to break Rolo’s Geass (which I really doubt), then you could have a fight that resulted in Shirley’s death and Suzaku chasing after Rolo.

    But still, if there was a fight and Suzaku killed Shirley and Suzaku wanted to chase after Rolo, I’d still expect him to stay with Shirley, calling for help – not run off. Trying to save Shirley’s life would undoubtedly be more important than chasing down Rolo.

    It would certainly be interesting if it was Suzaku who killed Shirley, but it’s seems to me like it’s stretching things quite a bit given what Rolo’s Geass can do and the fact that only Shirley was there when Lelouch showed up.

  • July 11, 2008 at 6:30 pmpersona0

    with out a doubt in my mind now rollo killed shirley
    i was doubtul before but after looking at the ep again it makes sense to me.
    The masks seen at the beging and before shirley gets shoot hold the key.
    Basically the masks that fell was rollo the sweet, innocent brother of lulu revealing the
    trained and merciless killer inside.
    I have a question for you do what would happen if someone remembered nunally used to go to that school. I think rollo orders were to take care of anyone who had remembered anything the king erased. Why did he use his geass you ask its simple its so he could get away with it. Vill, sayoko and lulu all know rollo was in the area but by stopping time it is more then likely rollo could say he was somewhere else and pretend not to know what happened to shirley. Rollo imo see’s nunnally as a the person who will break him and lulu’s happiness, the realization that he is not lulu’s real family and that thier time together will run out. Making a blind guess as to next ep i would say lulu will ask rollo about shirley rollo will deny involvment and lulu will mention that rollo does have the power to stop ppls time, the conversation will be cut short as lulu has to deal with other matters.
    As for Milley, her and lulu are not related as i have seen no where this has been mentioned. As to whether she likes lulu… from the actual ep’s you really cant tell.
    Talking about Kallen and the guren its more then strange that the guren and the lancelot have the same glide wings tpyes (gurens more bat like) whether Kallen is the pilot remains to be scene. I think the conversation between nunally and kallen will be very important. Personally i think the staff love to tease you guys on kallenxlulu but both have yet to understand these feelings… besides the momment that woul happen kallen would die.

  • July 11, 2008 at 10:19 pmGeno

    Words can’t explain how this episode pissed me off. SHIRLEY!!! NNOOOO!!!!!!! GOD DAMN YOU EMO ROLO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 12, 2008 at 12:27 amRemmell

    Well, it’s not too long till we get some answers. If Kallen isn’t freed in this episode I don’t think she’ll get out until maybe episode 16 or 17. That’s why I think the odds are good she will get out in some time during 14.

  • July 12, 2008 at 1:07 amshamaticgrl

    one more day. we have one more day until our questions and theory be answer :]

  • July 12, 2008 at 1:53 amWingZero zxt

    15 guys ep 15. wait before we bet our egos away are classing her escape from prison as getting bk to the OoBK or simply being late out under special supervision as with nunally?
    ep 15 will be when shes bc with Zero in that case

  • July 12, 2008 at 3:46 amRemmell

    I just don’t see it happening in episode 15. With Lelouch trapped in this ‘World of C’, I don’t see that they would cut to show what’s happening in the rest of the world.
    If Kallen is in Japan for her to escape in 15 where does she go. She’d be alone. In 14 most of the Black Knights will be in the China area attacking the Order. If she’s going to escape it would have to be when the Black Knights come back or when Lelouch and the others leave. Though with Rolo gone wouldn’t the whole charade be exposed?

    I finished coloring in my full C.C. picture. It’s not a 4koma. Just a glam shot. Came out pretty good I think. http://foxxfireart.deviantart.com/art/Code-Geass-C-C-91430443

  • July 12, 2008 at 7:51 amKalessin

    Code Geass is definitely ending this season. There will be no season 3. Apparently the chief writer recently finished writing the final episode: http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/3953.html#cutid1

    There was no mention of the upcoming movie, but from what the writer said, it doesn’t sound like it’s going to be finishing the story because the story will be finished with the end of R2.

  • July 12, 2008 at 4:25 pmRemmell

    Yeah, I read that, but as far as we know the ‘finished’ could also include the movie’s story.
    If I was to guess about the movie. I’m thinking it will be similar to the “Gundam Wing movie”. The series had an end, but in the movie here was a small uprising that gets crushed rather quickly. The movie will probably be something like that.

    Just a few more hours and we should get our answer about Kallen. Reading those summaries I don’t see how she gets out until around 16 or 17 if Lelouch doesn’t break her out when he leaves.

  • July 12, 2008 at 4:45 pmKalessin

    I thought that it was pretty clear that the writer meant that Code Geass was finished with the end of this season from just the first part of the article, let alone the rest:

    “I’ve finished the script for Code Geass! Finished! It’s not ‘to be continued’, nor ‘end of this season’. It’s over, finished, the end.”

    True, he doesn’t say “the script for the last episode is finished,” but talking about not “end or this season” or “to be continued” makes it sound like he’s talking about the end of the season, not the end of the movie. In addition, he goes on to talk about how the production folks will see the end of production in a few weeks. I have a hard time believing that that “end of production” is the end of the production for the movie when they announced it just a few weeks ago. I really think that he means the end of the series, not the movie.

    Still, that leaves open the question of what the movie will be about, and doing something similar to Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz would make some sense – though I thought that that movie suffered from being too short. It’s difficult to have something satisfyingly complex in only a couple of hours – especially when you’re dealing with something as sophisticated as Code Geass likes to be. There would not be lots of build up time and the like. It might have to be frustratingly straightforward for a Code Geass plot. Still, it’s certainly possible to put together a good movie for something like Code Geass as long as they have a good idea for it and don’t try and cram too much into the small amount of time they have.

  • July 13, 2008 at 4:35 amRemmell

    I agree. While Endless Waltz was a lot of fun to watch I already mentioned it went by rather quick.
    I think the basic theme of that movie would better suit Code Geass. Zero wins and peace starts to fall over the land, but some unseen faction, or one thought defeated rises again. Thus forcing Lelouch and others to meet that challenge. It might even be someone from the EU. We’ve yet to meet anyone from that faction.

  • July 13, 2008 at 11:59 pmVampireLove

    YES!! Shirley dies

    I hate her! I’m so happy

    and is pointless if Lulu avenges S!

  • July 31, 2008 at 10:44 ambubbly93

    zomg, this episode made me cry, bcuz i was a BIG fan of lelouch x shirley, and now shes dead. T.T very VERY sad.

  • February 21, 2009 at 9:56 pmKasumi

    Oh my gosh that was so sad. Throughout the series, I really hated Shirley and all, but when I saw her dead like that, I don’t think she deserved it at all. *sigh* That was really really depressing to watch. T_T

  • March 10, 2009 at 1:44 pmknight of one

    Rolo is plainly a selfish and loony nutter of a shitlead. she killed Shirley because she knew about Lelouch’s real sister Nunnally, and he doesnt want to lose his surrogate brother. but what about the phone? the one where suzaku forced him to talk to nunnally? doesn’t he know, while he used his geass there to let lelouch talk to her sister? CODE GEASS IS TOO REDUNDANT!!!

  • July 21, 2009 at 12:17 pmrinne

    argh even tho this is the second time i’m watching this i’m crying again :’(
    i still love rollo tho.

  • October 21, 2009 at 3:29 amVertigo

    Killing off Shirley was the only thing I didn’t like about this series. She had a lot of potential for the series, and her death ruined it.

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