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Now that he’s in front of the Emperor again, Lelouch questions why his father didn’t protect his mother even though his father knew that the rest of the royal family shunned her. The Emperor answers that all people aren’t created equal, and he suggests that Lelouch use his Geass power to find the answer. Lelouch, however, is wary of doing so because it requires him to make eye contact with the Emperor, and that would put him in danger of being affected by the Emperor’s Geass. He comes up with a plan instead where he fires a special part from the Shinkirou and reflects his Geass power off the shards of glass that are now in the air. He orders his father to die, and, to his surprise, it actually works because the Emperor proceeds to shoot himself in the heart. Lelouch is ecstatic at first, but he soon realizes that there were things he wanted to ask his father and people he wanted his father to apologize to. It is at this moment that the fallen Emperor reopens his eyes and wonders who Lelouch is talking about. Lelouch reacts to this by trying to use his Geass power again, but neither this nor shooting the Emperor repeatedly with a gun has any effect, and this immortality causes Lelouch to despair.

The Emperor subsequently reveals that he has a new power to replace his Geass power, and he’s now ready to tell Lelouch about the true form of the world they’re in. By activating a control panel, the Emperor puts Lelouch in an environment where there are white masks and giant gears all around. When Lelouch wonders what the Emperor is planning to do, the Emperor comments on how a child covered in lies wants to know the truth from others. He then questions what Lelouch has gained from the lies of Zero’s mask, so Lelouch tries to assert that he got an army and subordinates that a normal student couldn’t have ever obtained. In response to this, a voice in these new surroundings – one that is attached to the masks – points out that Lelouch also lost Euphemia and can’t show himself to Suzaku or Nunnally. Lelouch tries to argue that everyone lies, but the voice observes that Lelouch wants others to understand his true self but wore a mask because he was afraid that others would know who he really is. The Emperor then reappears and says that there’s no need to lie because he is Lelouch and Lelouch is him – he feels that there is only one person in the past, future, and history of mankind.

Lelouch doesn’t know what his father talking about, and he’s further surprised when C.C. suddenly shows up and says that playtime is over. It turns out that the Emperor knows of her wish and promises to grant it, and C.C. finally reveals to Lelouch what that is: to die. C.C. goes on to explain that, at the limits of Geass, the person who has the power succeeds the position of the person who gave the power – in other words, he would gain the power to kill her. Of all the people she’s contracted with so far, none have been able to reach that point, however the Emperor has now achieved it. With Lelouch shocked to hear that she contracted with him so that she could die, C.C. asserts that the providence of this world is in living in order to die. She feels that people are aware of life because there is death, and when Lelouch declares that a life only for death is too sad, C.C. says that the accumulation of not dying is not life – it’s an experience. C.C. finally tells Lelouch that if he has a reason to live, then he should kill her and gain the same power to fight as his father has. Knowing that he can’t do it, C.C. bids Lelouch farewell and, as she plunges him into another world, she says that he’s too kind. Afterwards, she wonders why the Emperor took V.V.’s Code, but the Emperor avoids answering because he doesn’t think that there’s any meaning now that C.C. is about to die.

Meanwhile, back in Area 11, Miss Romeyer reports to Nunnally on the redevelopment of the Saitama Ghetto, but Nunnally wants to know more and questions if there aren’t disadvantages for the Elevens in this, all while she holds Miss Romeyer’s hand. When Miss Romeyer claims that this is the best choice for both sides, Nunnally accuses her of lying and requests a revision of the plan that doesn’t hold disadvantages for the Elevens. Miss Romeyer thinks that Nunnally should just leave this to the experts, but Nunnally then declares that she’s the one who is the governor-general. As for Suzaku, he prepares to inject Kallen with the Refrain but he stops himself when he realizes that he’s acting he same way that Lelouch would. Frustrated, he decides that his only course of action is to try to meet Lelouch directly in order to confirm his suspicions, but he can’t find Lelouch at Ashford Academy, and all of the Secret Intelligence Agency members in charge of surveillance are under the influence of Lelouch’s Geass power. When Suzaku returns to Nunnally, he learns that Schneizel had told her that Area 11 is getting its status raised to that of a satellite area, but his thoughts remain on his conclusion that Lelouch is Zero again. He considers reporting it to the Emperor, but he wonders what would happen to Nunnally if he did because the Emperor had promised to use Nunnally if Lelouch’s memories returned.

Nunnally then notices that Suzaku might be hiding something from her, and when he declares that he wouldn’t lie to her, she questions him about who the person that he had put on the phone a while back was. Nunnally knows that it was her brother and tries to touch Suzaku’s hand to figure out if he’s telling the truth, but when he pulls back, she comments on how he’s the same as Lelouch. Around this time, Villetta meets with Ougi in China with the intent of erasing any stains she has with Elevens. She’s surprised when she learns that Ougi had come knowing that he might die, but he explains that he wanted to choose for himself when he dies. Villetta then asks why a terrorist like him had saved a Britannian soldier like her, so Ougi reveals that he originally just wanted to find out information about Zero. However, even though he knew she was the enemy, he had fallen in love with her, and all Villetta can say in response to that is that it would have been better if they had never met. She then hears rustling in the trees behind her and realizes that Sayoko had been spying on them. Sayoko attacks Villetta and corners her at the edge of a cliff, but when she tries to finish Villetta off, Ougi jumps in and takes the kunai hits. He loses his footing in the process and falls off the cliff, and Villetta instinctively dives after him and catches him in midair. Unfortunately, the two are now plunging towards some rocks in the water below.

Lelouch meanwhile finds himself looking into C.C.’s past, and he sees her when she was young telling a nun that she didn’t want to die. The nun had proposed a contract where, in exchange for the power to live for a long time, she wanted C.C. to someday grant a single wish for her. The Geass power that C.C. ended up getting was one that allowed her to be loved because that’s what she wanted deep in her heart. Unfortunately, due to everyone loving her, C.C. couldn’t figure out what was true love, and the only person she trusted was the nun. One day however, the nun had decided to end everything and had revealed that she needed someone to take her place who had a certain level of Geass. The aftermath of this left the nun dead and C.C. scarred, and C.C. had realized that the nun had merely used her as a tool to bring an end to the nun’s own life. The image of C.C. who is guiding Lelouch through these memories then observes that Lelouch isn’t there yet in the World of C, so he must be a person in her present rather than her past. She also thinks that her real self sent Lelouch to this place so that he could be protected from something.

With the real C.C. ready to let the Emperor end her long journey, Lelouch somehow opens the Thought Elevator and returns to the cockpit of the Shinkirou. He’s figured out that this place is a system that interferes with thought, but the Emperor traps the Shinkirou in place to force Lelouch to watch what’s about to happen. Unwilling to sit there and do nothing, Lelouch asks C.C. why she didn’t have him take over the eternal life so that she could die. Seeing that she’s started to cry as the Emperor holds her, Lelouch implores her not to die with such a face and says that it should be with a smile. He vows to make her smile, and hearing these words finally make C.C. push the Emperor away and use a control panel to release the Shinkirou. Lelouch then springs into action by having his Knightmare Frame open fire on the Sword of Akasha, and when the ground crumbles, he flies towards the falling C.C. while declaring that he knows her true wish. While all this is going on, Nina meanwhile leads a successful test of her new weapon at the Dallas Laboratories, and she tells Schneizel that from now on, mankind and wars will change. Back at the Geass cult’s base, Lelouch wakes C.C. and is shocked to find out that she no longer recognizes who he is. Instead, she thinks that he’s her new master and tells him about her cooking and cleaning abilities.


Well geez, that was one helluva episode. There was development in several subplots, but the main focus here was definitely on C.C. This episode reveals much about her past (including the nun and the bloody altar scene which have been referenced before) and how she wants to die, and I think there are only a few things left to explain about her. One of those is of course her real name, and I’m now of the opinion that, since it doesn’t play a big part in her past, it’ll likely come up during a crucial moment between her and Lelouch, assuming it ever comes up again at all. The other thing left to explain is what she truly wants, and the way Lelouch tries to convince her not to die (i.e. using the fact that she didn’t make him replace her) makes me think that he knows that she loves him and that this is where the true love that she never understood lies. For the time being though, she’s reverted to some servant personality/memories, and I’m sure Lelouch will have his hands full. Regardless, I think the chances of C.C. dying at the end of all this are pretty good since that’s what she originally wanted.

Speaking of chances of dying, Suzaku might have improved his odds since wasn’t able to use the Refrain on Kallen because he realized that he’d become like Lelouch. It makes him somewhat less despicable, so the writers probably aren’t trying to turn the audience against him so that they can kill him off easier, though on the other hand, perhaps he’s now more annoying in that self-righteous sort of way. As for the other subplots, I wished they had gone back to the Ougi/Villetta/Sayoko scene again before the end of the episode. The way that scene ended was almost literally a cliffhanger, and while I don’t doubt that Ougi and Villetta will survive, the question is what the repercussions of all this is (for example, if they have to go on the run from Diethard/Sayoko now) and how their relationship proceeds from here.

The added wild card this week is that Nina finally succeeded in making the bomb, so Schneizel just got a lot scarier. The end of the current OP sequence seems to suggest that Schneizel, the Emperor, and Lelouch are the three major players, and this new weapon is probably how Schneizel finally makes his move. There aren’t any hints about it in the preview for next week though, and instead it looks like Lelouch will be interrogating Cornelia (with his mask off), propose some new international union resolution, and have to deal with servant-girl C.C. It also appears that another Knight of Rounds – Luciano Brandli to be specific – will be entering the picture, and he might not have the scruples that Suzaku does in dealing with Kallen.

July 20, 2008 at 4:46 am
  • July 21, 2008 at 1:32 pmkatty

    I read that cornelia will died soon T_T

  • July 21, 2008 at 1:35 pmOTTO

    nooooooooooooooooo why????

  • July 21, 2008 at 2:23 pmAndy

    CC just reverted back to the point before she got her Geass… That’s why she’s gone Moe on us. I WANT TO TAKE HER HOME!!!!

  • July 21, 2008 at 2:23 pmDexter

    So Charles and Lelouch are now immortal and CC is just a normal human being. Wow very cool stuff. Did V.V die from blood loss? Father and Son are immortal geass givers. Man 11 weeks to go, lets see if they finish this story once and for all.

  • July 21, 2008 at 3:24 pmOrange

    Just like the final of Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade…

  • July 21, 2008 at 3:59 pmhellishdude

    awesome episode indeed. This puss the story a lot and we are for treat here. Bring Next episode pls.

  • July 21, 2008 at 7:51 pmsui

    I’m kind of confused what’s going on in CG…

  • July 21, 2008 at 9:02 pmSenefen

    Good episode, finally we learn something about geass and C.C.
    The more you use geass the more powerful you become, eventually when your geass is powerful enough you can kill the person who gave it to you and gain their immortality.
    Interesting that C.C couldn’t get Mao to kill her. Judging from what we’ve seen permanent geass in both eyes is the final stage.
    Ahh Nina’s going to blow up Lelouch’s island.

    Also do we know where C.C comes from? For some reason I think she’s french but I can’t remember any reasoning behind that or if I just made it up >_>. She’s running around a battlefield in WWI or WWII. That might be where I got it from but it isn’t much to go on.

  • July 21, 2008 at 9:11 pmKalessin

    As far as I know, we don’t know where C.C. comes from originally. Her memories clearly imply that she’s from a country in Europe somewhere, but that doesn’t really narrow things down by much. France is certainly a possibility, but as far as I know we’ve never been told. By far the most we’ve ever learned about C.C. was shown in this episode.

  • July 21, 2008 at 9:27 pmCain

    wait, Lelouch is immortal? I thought he needed to ‘kill’ C.C for that …

  • July 21, 2008 at 9:31 pmVim

    So erm… Where’s the emperor now? Is he dead? Or do we just not know? That whole thing was pretty fucked up. Great ep but so many wtf’s really. :P I was quite pleased that Suzaku finally realised how he’s a huge hypocrite, at least he’s not completely retarded anyway. And Nina just increased her hateability. She’s just ridiculous.

  • July 21, 2008 at 9:54 pmAnne

    well when i heard wat CC when she lost her memory (quote:I can read alittle and i can count up to 20 and i sometimes b able to clean dead bodys) i felt like sayin this

  • July 21, 2008 at 10:40 pmKalessin

    We don’t know whether Lelouch is immortal. All we know for sure is that C.C. appears to have lost her powers and her memory. Lelouch didn’t kill her and that seems to be how you would normally go about becoming immortal. C.C. losing her powers and her memory rather than dying appears to be something that’s never happened to one of the immortal folk before (certainly C.C. seemed convinced that she was going to have to die to stop being immortal rather than losing her powers and dying of old age).

    Lelouch does not have the Geass mark on his forehead, but the Emperor had his on his hand for some reason (dramatic effect on the part of writers primarily I think), so that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. However, I’d be very surprised if he has become immortal. The bigger question is whether he still has his Geass. I’m guessing that he does, but there’s no way to tell at this point. He appears to have had plenty of time to put his contact back in, but none of the images of him in the preview show his eye with the Geass in it in spite of him being in his Zero outfit. So, I think that this is just one of those things that we’re going to have to wait for the next episode for.

  • July 21, 2008 at 11:52 pmreilina

    so there’s a big chance C.C. will die in the end? hmmm…it reminds me shirley lost his memories but still in the end dies and still fell in love with him, did i just see a pattern?

    will the same fate happen to C.C.?i dnt think so, lulu doesnt want anyone that’s close to him to die anymore. well we can only hope, lets just hope he learns his lesson from happen to shirley.

    C.C. pls dnt die…

  • July 21, 2008 at 11:56 pmYuumei

  • July 22, 2008 at 12:03 amKalessin

    I don’t think that we can really say one way or another whether C.C. is going to die at this point. Anyone and everyone can die in this show, but they really haven’t killed off many of the main characters – a number of minor/semi-minor ones yes, but not many major ones. However, given that they didn’t kill her off when it was the prime time to do so but instead gave her a chance at a normal life again, I’m willing to bet that she’ll survive the series. I think that the bigger question is whether she stands any chance of regaining her memories.

    While C.C. isn’t actually dead, without her memories she’s more of a burden to Lelouch than an accomplice. He won’t abandon her but now he’ll be more alone than ever – especially with Kallen gone. He seems to be losing everyone and everything that he cares for one by one. Though I do find it interesting how they’re finding ways for him to lose those he cares about without having them actually die. That leaves it open for him to regain them later. Even if everyone were to be captured, turn against him, lose their memories, etc., as long as they’re alive he stands a chance of regaining them later.

  • July 22, 2008 at 12:06 amKalessin

    A little maybe, but I don’t see much resemblance. However, a number of the characters look like other characters given the right expressions. For instance, I remember Cornelia a lot like Kallen in the scene where she first showed up in R2. If her hair had been shorter and red instead of purple, she would have been Kallen. In all likelihood, a number of such comparisons can be made if you start looking for them.

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:09 amZ

    Just one thing:

    Jeremiah + Zero = Suzaku dead/ally.

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:28 amWindows X

    Orange kun, your post is awesome. It’s priceless ;)

  • July 22, 2008 at 5:37 amMuriel

    No!! My long comment got erased… Im writing again…
    Kallen come back soon, Lulu needs a shoulder to cry or bite, he needs comfort and a nanny for mentally 10 years old CC or CC, Chii mode; Im realy going to miss the old CC…

    I declare my self a Kallen/Lulu fan, and a CC fan too, but seeing how things are going I must say: Lulu don´t get near Kallen, you bring bad luck!! Since every posible hint of romance that has been given to us had been screwed by sunrise, should Ill number all of them?? Euphies death(romance between Suzaku and Euphie, and friendship and crush with Lulu), Shirleys dead and CCs memories lost, even Kallen got herself captured (it was her fault but..), well there wasnt a clear development between Kallen and Lulu(just friendship), as it was with Shirley and CCs(more that friendship and accomplice feeling from both parts)…
    I think that CC will die at the end, but like Lelouch said with a smile on her face, had being loved but not just the love as a woman from Lulu, but as a friend from: Marianne? Kallen? Kaguya?…
    And then Nunally will be ruler or Schneizel… and then Lelouch go backs to school or college… or to the mainland with his sister…
    And Kallen will be back to school starting where she left, and living with her mother and… father?? saying to Lelouch: Thanks for everything, and farewell!! and they go their separate ways…
    And Suzaku… I was one that wanted him dead, but damn it (Why Clamp have to make him physically like Syaoran, its so hard to completely hate him, its like: Suzaku youre cute but please shut up! I hate your guts!) with the events that had been happening… its making him a bit likeable, so lets spare Suzakus life!!
    Rollo… I like him, but his dead its inevitable, I just hope hell die happy and Lulu forgives him… he just wants and needs love… (ok that was fluff, but its true)
    And for Vilelta and Ougi, I dont know, if there is future for them someone has to give up her pride coff coff Villeta… if there is a split of the OoBK, what will ougi do? follow his lover? or his dear dead friend´s little sister?… mmm stupi question forget it…
    Those are my hopes… about the others… who gives a damn… ok ok just root for Cornelia!! and ANYA and Gino!! yah thats all..
    Next chap seems pretty intersting… that Lucciano in Ashford?? and visiting Kallen… is she smirking?? And a world army!!! good!!

  • July 22, 2008 at 6:12 amMuriel

    Damn damn damn, posting this for the second time!! stupid lap!!
    Please Kallen come back soon, Lulu needs a shoulder to cry… and a nanny for mentally ten year olds CC or should I say CC, Chii mode? Im gonna miss the old CC…
    Im a Kallen/ Lulu fan, and CC too, but with the way things are going I say: LELOUCH PLEASE DONT GET NEAR KALLEN!! YOURE CURSED AND BRING BAD LUCK!! Since every hint of romance that they have given us has been screwed… Do I have to number them? Euphies dead (ok it was romance with Suzaku, but Lulu had a crush on her) Shirleys dead and CCs memory lost, even Kallen got herself captured (it was her fault… and hints of romance for them were more for friendship, not like Shirley and CC where we saw more development of his feelings and that wasnt one sided) you get the point no??
    I think that CC will die in the end, but as Lulu said with a smile on her face, being loved as woman, but not only by Lelouch but by friends like Marianne? (she loved her right?)Kallen? Kaguya?… that would be cute ending for her…
    And for Lelouch… he will live with Nunally (empress?? governor??), maybe goes back to school… who knows…
    For Kallen, she still has to free her mother, so she´ll be with her i the new Japan, maybe finishing school… and saying o Lulu: Thanks for everything and farewell! and they go their separate ways…
    Suzaku… I wanted him to die… but damn it (why clamp, why they made him physically like Syaoran, it makes hate him harder) with his recent actions I cant completely hate him, I like to see him back in school, with his face full of regret but somehow relieved…
    As for Rollo, I konw many hates him, but I like him… he just wants and needs love… I know he´ll die thats obvious, but I hope he´ll die smilig too, and after Lulu has forgiven him, maybe in a self-sacrifice act…
    As for the others Ill root for Ougi and Villeta (one of them has to give up her pride coff coff Villeta), Gino, Anya, Cornelia, Xinge and the lolis!! Viva!!
    So what about the next episode, seems interesting a Chii- CC, Lucciano in Ashford?? and visiting Kallen? she is smirking?? and Cornelia with Lulu yey!! I cant wait..

  • July 22, 2008 at 6:34 amKakashi_Crusade

    wow… i’m speechless… jaw-dropping cliffhangers…

  • July 22, 2008 at 7:53 amSigurd-kun

    That was freaking awsum! I can’t wait for the next epi! come out plzzz!

  • July 22, 2008 at 8:54 amka

    ugh why lelouch doesn’t get to see Marriane in C.C’s memories…. Now that C.C is lost her memory how her connection with Mariane will be revealed?
    I have a feeling like Anya might be able to bring back the usual C.C

  • July 22, 2008 at 8:57 amCrystalight

    I agree with orange: “what a shitty animation of CG”

    The episode itself was awesome, but the way the animation was done at some parts was just awefull, the emperor didnt look as awesome as he used to be animated in the previous episodes. Have a good look, it looks like a retarded twin brother of the real emperor.

    I made an example here : http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7581/emperorll9.jpg

    I was quite annoyed when i was watching the scene of lelouch vs the emperor, they could have done that way better. Anyway, really looking forward to the next episode.

    Code Geass FTW!

  • July 22, 2008 at 9:26 amtina

    I s true?? about cornelia’s death???

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:11 pmKalessin

    I am unaware of any actual, confirmed spoilers stating that Cornelia is going to die. Not even the speculation/spoilers listed on the Korean blog say anything about whether she will live or die. As far as I know, we have no clue as to whether Cornelia will survive the series or not.

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:20 pmWoahM4Gawd

    Anyone else remember that flashback in the first season? The one where there was a younger but somehow still immortal C.C.?

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:28 pmKalessin

    I think that you’d have to point that one out. I recall no such thing. We saw C.C. die multiple times but as I recall she looked the same as always each time. We might have seen a flashback at some point that showed her as a child, but I don’t recall it and it wouldn’t be an immortal C.C. anyway.

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:38 pmorg

    about the killing to take over the master geass, i dont think u actually have to kill the person (vv was still alive), they just loose their powers and therefor are no longer immortal(in comparison to a never ending life thats like killing)

  • July 22, 2008 at 3:52 pmKalessin

    C.C. asked the emperor why took V.V.’s “code,” but, of course, does not explain what that means. What it looks like happened is that the emperor was somehow able to take V.V.’s powers and without his immortality, V.V. died.

    What it looks like happened with C.C. is that Lelouch managed to grant her true wish (as opposed to her stated wish) and fulfilling her wish removed her powers and memory. We can’t tell if Lelouch is immortal, but I doubt it.

    In the case of the nun, it appears that the nun managed to force C.C. to kill her somehow (since C.C. obviously didn’t want to do it) and by killing the nun, C.C. became immortal. So, clearly, killing the one who gave you your Geass powers will make you immortal, but it’s also clear that that’s not quite the only way given V.V.’s situation. And given C.C.’s situation, it’s clear that killing the Geass-giver is not the only way to make it so that they die.

    I do find it interesting that in the case of V.V., he retained all his memories after his powers were gone while C.C. lost hers. It probably has to do with how they lost their powers. Still, it’s not like the situation is very clear. We know a lot more than we did before, but there are still plenty of questions.

  • July 22, 2008 at 5:47 pmshadowblack

    C.C.’s wish was granted by Lelouch. V.V.’s wish (to kill the gods) was not (at least not yet). Maybe that’s the difference…

  • July 22, 2008 at 6:03 pmbobobobolderiz

    Have someone notice that lulu has destroyed the sword, so it can easily explain the fact that the laws of geass didn’t work well anymore (cc still alive, with no memories). But still a mystery about the origins of geass power? Maybe from Space, another planet?

    Stupid charles, why to be immortal, can’t geass anyone anymore! Just able to make a contract with a mortal….to obtain what? Yes, we all know!
    The VV- charles brothers always talk about it with a stupid mystery!(BLA bLA bla lies bla lies….)
    The big THRUTH! But about what?


  • July 22, 2008 at 6:05 pmKalessin

    That seems straight forward enough, though we still don’t know how the emperor swiped V.V.’s immortality without killing him. For that matter, we still have no clue what they mean by “killing the gods.” I’d have thought that that would be have been explained in episode 15, but while they managed to give us quite a bit of info on Geass, it was pretty much all information that related directly to C.C., so what “killing the gods” means was not on the list….

  • July 22, 2008 at 6:05 pmreilina

    i just dnt want lulu to lose anything anymore, just like shirley said he’s fighting alone, plus the burden that he carries. but you know bec of all of this his heart is now more open than before unlike the mr. s who now getting suck in darkness.

    so many question, 11 episodes left, i hope they can answer everything.

  • July 22, 2008 at 8:00 pmPersona0

    hello ppl that was a great ep.
    imo to clear things up CC main wish isnt to die… just look at the flashback
    of course thats not to say that once she gets this wish she doesnt want to die.
    Taking this into account her wish HASNT been fullfilled yet so thats why she has the mind of a child. She reverted back to a time beore she got her geass which warped he view. Of course i could be wrong and she could have just lost her memmories from almost having her “code” taken.

    how about we talk about the rest of the stuff that happened. The super united nations…. THE SUPER UNITED NATIONS!!! lol next we’ll have SUPER WW1.
    They have nukes now not good espically for japan but i dont think prince whats his face will actually use them. he will probably use one as a show of force to the world.
    Whats this camelot they mentioned… my guess its the reworked red lotus

  • July 22, 2008 at 9:39 pmralis

    10 year old c.c
    so thats what the korean spoilers meant when it said that lulu would “lose” her.
    yay kallens escaping next episode

  • July 22, 2008 at 9:47 pmKalessin

    The Korean speculation/spoilers were a lot more specific than that:

    “C.C. loses her memory as C.C., and becomes an ordinary girl.”

    We’ve now seen it happen as crazy as such a prediction seemed when it was first put up. Personally, I’m starting to think that the items posted on that blog are actual spoilers. Of course, there’s every possibility that there are duds mixed in with the true spoilers even if they are indeed accurate spoilers, but thus far none of them have turned out to be wrong. If they are indeed all true, I think that that counts as a huge leak on the part of Sunrise. Someone working for them didn’t keep their mouth shut when they were supposed to.

  • July 22, 2008 at 10:06 pmQuikstryke

    is japan doomed to get nuked even in teh geass world. im guessing not. seems sunrise intends to give payback for nagasaki and hiroshima by nuking the supreme united states zero is forming. lets face it though nina’s the true villan.

    on a side note i just realized it was pretty weird milly had a crush on lelouch. theyre related on his mothers side.

  • July 22, 2008 at 11:16 pmKalessin

    I recall reading somewhere that the Ashfords were related to Marianne, but I have yet to actually find anything anywhere that supports it. As far as I can tell, Lelouch and Milly aren’t related at all.

  • July 23, 2008 at 12:06 amQuikstryke

    @Kalessin Marianne is an ashford its her maiden name. They say it in season 1. I forget exactly which ep i jsut finished reseeing the season. After her death, the family fell from grace. Its also why the granmedey(however you spell it) or atleast its shell is in possession of the ashfords, which was piloted by her. Its the thing they used to make the giant pizza and nina had the nuke on in season 1. The earl lloyd actually wanted to marry milly to gain possession of the frame. he admitted to this when milly asked him.

  • July 23, 2008 at 12:53 amKalessin

    I know from the picture dramas that the Ashfords used to make knightmares and that the Ganymede was one of their models. They went out of business because Milly’s grandfather spent too much money on parties. They had the Ganymede because they created it. Marianne worked with them on it. As for Marianne being related to them, I know that I’ve heard that somewhere but there was a discussion about that here an episode or 2 back and none of us could recall where it was actually said that Marianne was related to the Ashfords. Certainly wikipedia doesn’t say that and I don’t recall it being said within the show. It may very well be the case that it’s true – it may even have been mentioned in the first season – but I don’t know where it was said.

  • July 23, 2008 at 3:59 amshadowblack

    Could you please try and find where they say that? IF they say such a thing anywhere, because so far every time someone says that it’s like “I’ve read/heard that somewhere, but I can’t remember where.”

  • July 23, 2008 at 5:06 amKalessin

    The related item that I’d like info on is how on earth wikipedia can claim that Lamperouge was Marianne’s maiden name. Obviously, wikipedia says whatever people chose to put there, so it’s not exactly the most reliable source, but somebody seemed to think that it was correct and put it there. My guess is that they simply assumed that that was where Lelouch got his fake last name, but I don’t know. As far as I know, we have never been told either where Lelouch got his fake last name from or what Marianne’s maiden name was.

  • July 23, 2008 at 8:00 amninnin

    @Kalessin Marrianne wasn’t related to the ashfords, the ashfords supported Marrianne as a knightmare pilot or something and went out of business when marrianne got killed because they lost the contract to make knightmare frames once she died…

  • July 23, 2008 at 10:27 amorg

    “I do find it interesting that in the case of V.V., he retained all his memories after his powers were gone while C.C. lost hers. It probably has to do with how they lost their powers”

    to me it made the impression that vv did loose his memories, at the very least u cant say one or the other for sure. he remembers the contract with charles but that might as well be before he gained immortality.
    there are some points though that are quite unclear to me. if its that hard to gain a geass strong enough to kill the contractor(cc said of all ppl only charles came far enough, then she contradicts herself saying lelouch should kill her, though that might be because theyre at the sword), how did vv gain such a geass at such a young age.
    and finally why didnt cc just run of to the emp earlier?
    about the god killing part. seems clear to me now that cc/vv and their predeccesors are the gods. it makes sense as stated above cause lelouch wouldnt be able to kill cc otherwise(his geass clearly isnt strong enoug yet).
    another question arising is why charles wants to kill cc anyway, he already has immortality, my guess to that is that he wants to be the only “god”

  • July 23, 2008 at 1:29 pmRYoKo KuriYama

    oh.! can I ask a question.?
    is C.C still immortal.? or is lelouch already Immortal.?

  • July 23, 2008 at 2:21 pmshadowblack

    We don’t know. Hopefully we’ll find out in the next ep.

  • July 23, 2008 at 3:16 pmMuriel

    It is mentioned in the anime, I don´t remember the chap, but it´s in the one of the attack of Narita, when CC is talking about why snow is white, she asks why Lelouch kept his cristian name but changed his last name for his mother´s maiden name…, or Lulu tells her that, I don´t remember who says whats, but that fact its cleared in that chap..

  • July 23, 2008 at 3:37 pmKalessin

    I do remember C.C. asking Lelouch about why he kept his first name but not his last name. However, I don’t recall either of them discussing where the name Lamperouge came from. I’ll have to check when I get home tonight I suppose.

  • July 23, 2008 at 6:07 pmQuikstryke

    @Kalessin that ep just asks why lelouch kept his first name. it didnt clear up the lamperouge part. I think the part i was talking about though is between a conversation with milly and lelouch. I also think its around the first time milly tells him that she is engaged. If anyone one remembers what ep that is let me know. Such a pain going through every ep again to find this.

  • July 24, 2008 at 12:33 amkaesyoo

    I think Lelouch lost his Geass.
    This could be seen when Lelouch was saving C.C. His left eye was purple (and it’s permanent right? He would have to put on his contacts to make it look normal). But when he saved C.C., I wouldn’t think he would change his contacts right there. But when you see a face shot of Lelouch, you don’t see his purple geass anymore.

    Also, in the preview, there are no shots of him using his Geass.

  • July 24, 2008 at 1:03 amJoi Flymez

    Lelouch might be immortal and now C.C doesn,t even have her memory i wonder how lelouch is gonna operate now without c.c been his backbone and kallen got lucky this week who knows what would happen to her they might use her as bait to locate where zero(lelouch) is because suzaku would rather use a better approach to find out his whereabouts than use refrain on her as for ougi and the dude i think they still alive

  • July 24, 2008 at 3:38 amshadowblack

    He had more than enough time to put on his contact (after all he had enough time to get out of his KnightMare). SO it’s too soon to say if he has his geass and/or immortality.

    Remember how in the initial promos for R2 the permanent geass was nowhere to be seen? Just because his geass is not shown in the preview doesn’t mean he’s lost it…

  • July 24, 2008 at 4:44 amKalessin

    Well, it’s possible that I missed a scene since I basically fast-forwarded through all of season 1, but I only found 2 episodes in season 1 where Lelouch and Milly are talking alone. The first one is episode 15 (the episode where Mao kidnaps C.C.). Lelouch asks Milly to make the club house off limits for a couple of days and she asks whether anyone has found out whether he is a prince, but he tells her that only the Ashfords know. She consequently tells him about her new suitor that she can’t get rid of, but that’s about as detailed as it gets with regards to Lelouch’s family or the Ashfords. In episode 21 (the pizza episode), they talk alone a couple of times and Lelouch expresses concern about being seen on camera (since Milly got the press to come to see the pizza), but that’s as close as they get to discussing Lelouch’s past or the Ashfords.

    So, I don’t believe that there is any discussion between Lelouch and Milly that reveals how Marianne is connected to the Ashfords. In terms of other places, that info might be…. As Quikstryke said, the discussion between C.C. and Lelouch at Narita in episode 11 where she asks him about keeping his first name doesn’t cover where his last name came from. I have not attempted to watch all of the conversations between Lelouch and C.C. (that’s a lot more than those between him and Milly), so it’s possible that either the connection between the Ashfords and Marianne or where Lelouch’s last name come from come up in one of those conversations, but I don’t remember that being the case. Certainly, as far as I know, Lelouch has no clue that C.C. knew Marianne.

    Another possible source that I can think of would be one of Lelouch’s monologues, but those are also great in number, so I haven’t rewatched those either. I did, however, watch the Conversation between Milly and Lloyd about the Ganymede in episode 21. They mention that it was piloted by Marianne and was dropped out of the race for the next military knightmare frame after her death, but they don’t discuss what Marianne’s connection to the Ashfords was or why the Ashfords had it.

    I can’t think of anyplace else that information about Marianne’s connection to the Ashfords or where the name Lamperouge comes from might have come up, but from what I can see, I don’t think that it does. I’d have to pretty much rewatch the entirety of the first season though to be sure. The only places that I remember information like that coming up were conversations with Milly, and I think that I covered those. So, I might have missed something, but it’s looking like it was never said within the show what connection Marianne has with the Ashfords or where the name Lamperouge came frome.

  • July 24, 2008 at 5:31 amKalessin

    Rewatching episode 15 of R2, I have to say that it does actually look like V.V. might have lost his memories like C.C. did. He was thinking back to when he and Charles were making a pact against lies. V.V. did not have the mark of Geass on him at that point and it looked like he was talking like he was at that point in time. C.C. certainly seemed surprised by how he was acting. So, it looks like he may very well have lost his memories. Perhaps Geass-people losing their powers always results in them losing their memories as well – assuming that they’re not dead yet of course.

  • July 24, 2008 at 10:53 amQuikstryke

    well theres 2 ways to look at the lelouch being immortal situation it means he does lose his geass, which would mean the show would lose a fundamental aspect of it (cuz god knows how many times lelouch geassed someone) and i dont think the writers would make it that easy, especially if there is to be a third season or a code geass “destiny”. frankly the development with schnizel is a little slow still especially with all the hits they dropped that he will become a major player and the number of remaining eps for the season is drawing tight for any kinda decent development.

    however if they dont intend for any further seasons, it would be an appropriate time to get rid of his geass and focus more on the war front. During his mind trip in the Sword of Akasha though it seemed like it engaged his reasons for wearing the zero mask in the first place. Both suzaku and the emperor now know he’s zero so its also probably also appropriate time for him to get unmasked and face the war as lelouch. its also the only way i see him and suzaku reconciling. i dont think suzaku could ever reconcile with zero, its something only he can do with lelouch.

  • July 24, 2008 at 5:37 pmKalessin

    Per http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/3953.html#cutid1 (which got the info from a magazine), the head writer recently finished writing the last episode of R2 and basically said that it was the end of the story of Code Geass and that there would not be a third season.

    I don’t know whether Lelouch still has his Geass or not (I’m not sure whether I’d be surprised either way), but I really don’t think that he’s immortal. He didn’t kill C.C. and certainly didn’t “take her code” on purpose. It is conceivable that he did it by accident, but making the main character suddenly immortal is arguably incredibly lame. It would make it really easy to get out situations that threatened his life and they already made a big point about C.C. trying not to curse Lelouch with immortality. Since it’s considered a curse, I’d fully expect that it’s something that he’d have to try and fix which would potentially be an entirely new tangent for a series that not only ends this season but which has already had half of that season shown.

    Granted, “it would be lame” is not a great argument against Lelouch having become immortal, but I’d be very surprised if he did. I’d find it more likely for him to lose his Geass because C.C. lost her powers rather than him becoming immortal (and thus losing his Geass).

    I’m unaware of any official spoilers that shed light on the matter and even the Korean blog spoilers don’t really say anything on the matter (though honestly, if they’re real spoilers, I’d have thought that Lelouch losing his Geass or becoming immortal might have been big enough to make the list considering how many other major, quite specific spoilers made the list), so I guess we’re really just going to have to wait and see.

  • July 24, 2008 at 5:39 pmKalessin

    By the way, http://koshimizu.livejournal.com ( http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/3953.html#cutid1 specifically) now not only has episode titles clear through episode 20 but at least one summary for each of them as well.

  • July 25, 2008 at 2:50 amRemmell

    Thoughts on Kallen in future episodes:

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  • July 25, 2008 at 4:29 amRemmell


    I like it when the messages get this far in the week. Random comments stop and the real interesting discussions get going.

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  • July 25, 2008 at 4:32 amKalessin

    My thoughts on the next few episodes (taking just about every spoiler that I know into account):
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  • July 25, 2008 at 4:47 amKalessin

    You certainly get less of “that was a cool episode” and comments of that variety later in the week since pretty much everyone will have already said it. For the most part, the only people still sticking around are reading and posting because they have something more interesting to discuss than “that was cool” (even if it was cool).

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  • July 25, 2008 at 10:22 pmRemmell

    In a way Lelouch already lost Kallen to Suzaku when he took her away.

    I’m fairly certain that C.C. will get her memories back. They still haven’t explained those odd conversations she has with Marianne and what she saw in that moment with Anya.
    There have been rumors that Anya is really Lelouch’s ‘real’ sister. I think that’s silly. The only thing Anya has in common with Marianne is her hair style when she was young. My thought it that Anya was promised to Lelouch in some kind of arranged marriage.

  • July 26, 2008 at 12:06 amKalessin

    Well, it’s true that Lelouch has already lost Kallen, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that once she’s back he won’t tell her that he doesn’t want to lose her. It just makes it more likely for him to say that he doesn’t want to lose her again.

    As we don’t really know why C.C. lost her memories (it looks like she lost them because Lelouch fulfilled her true wish, but we can’t really say for sure at this point), we can’t really say whether she’ll get them back. The fact that she seemed to have her only special, little world with her memories in there would probably increase the chances of her getting them back – particularly if Lelouch does something more with the thought elevator later.

    I suppose that we might find out C.C.’s secrets from someone else, but there isn’t exactly a long list of people who might know them. The best bet that I see for that would be if Marianne was somehow not actually dead, but that’s definitely a long shot (though it would help explain how C.C. was able to talk to her). By far the most likely way for us to find out more about C.C. is because she regains her memories, but we’ll have to wait it see. Still, as interesting as it may be to have a memory-less C.C. for a bit, it’ll definitely be good to get the “real” C.C. back.

    Really, Lelouch stands a chance of getting back anyone who isn’t actually dead (the two major ones in that category being Euphemia and Shirley). It’s pretty much a guarantee that he’ll get Kallen back at some point. I expect that most of us fully expect him to get Nunnally back in the end as well. It’s certainly a possibility that C.C. will regain her memories at which point Lelouch would have her back. Anyone else that he loses but who doesn’t die stands a chance of either returning to him or making up with him or whatever it takes to undo whatever happened to make them “lost” in the first place.

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  • July 26, 2008 at 9:11 amlittle cracked doll

    If Kallen ends up with Lelouch,…
    then I’ll kill Lelouch
    I really want that Kallen ends up with a good guy
    Lelouch is kinda an oni >___>
    -yessh kallenfan is now off the topic-

  • July 26, 2008 at 9:12 amSilentveil

    You know all this guessing about the next episodes is kind of dum, and the spoilers kind of ruin this area. No offense, but, if you spend too much time thinking about what will happen next you will only care less and less about seeing the next episodes, and any discussions about the current episodes will be mute. You know slight predictions are good, but, two to three episodes are a bit much.

    The fact that ever thread has show spoilers …is kind of sicken now.

    Humph, anyway, Suzaku’s situation seems to be getting worst and worst. He is caught between a rock and a hard place with Nunnella and the fact that he had just recently discovered Lelouch’s identity is going to make things worst. Or maybe, he is going to start covering for him now to protect Nunnelly.

    As for Lelouche getting back anyone …I don’t think that is going to happen. To be quite frank, I kind of think Lelouche is going to die a marty …you know the fact that he wipe out all the other Geass users seem like foreshadowing for all Geass death. Though that is just my prediction, and it’s probably totally untrue, so no spoilers necassary.

  • July 26, 2008 at 12:53 pmRemmell

    Don’t whine about it. Any spoilers I talk about in coming episodes are blocked and hidden as spoilers so it’s your own fault if you open and read it.
    It’s a good thing I guess that those Korean spoilers don’t talk about events in the last few episodes. Just some of the events that lead up to them.

    It wouldn’t matter if Suzaku covered for Lelouch. The Emperor already knows Lelouch has his memories back. Like in the preview Lelouch says he has a plan to save Nunnally, but an important part of that plan is that the Emperor is stuck in that space he left him at.
    Either way Suzaku is right where he put himself and Nunnally by turning Lelouch into the Emperor. He has no one to blame, but himself there.

  • July 26, 2008 at 12:59 pmMax

    With C.C.’s mind of a 10 year old slave girl, it’s unlikely the there will be a Lulu x C.C. relationship at this point because Lelouch was attracted to the old C.C. the Witch.

    Personally, I would rather see Lelouch with one of the female characters. And if Shirley is any indication, Milly Ashford will be the one to remain at Lelouch’s side. If the Order of the Black Knights decides to leave Zero, Kallen will likely to follow them. But she’ll still believe in Zero, no matter what. So that leaves the door wide open for Milly Ashford to enter into Lelouch’s life. And she will not take no for an answer.

    At least those are my opinions. Only the upcoming episodes will tell if my theories are true or not. But it would give the chance for Milly’s character get some serious screen time than in past episodes. And in order for that to happen, Shirley, Kallen, and C.C. would have to be removed from Lelouch’s life because their wasn’t any time to develop her character at the time. Too many women around one guy is very hard to give equal screen time development. So, reducing that number down allows lesser female characters greater screen time to develop increase interactions with Lelouch.I do hope to see some increased screen time between Milly Ashford and Lelouch before the series ends because it is long overdue.

  • July 27, 2008 at 2:05 amMuriel

    If they had planned to take the other girls around of Lulu out to developed Milly´s character, they wouldnt have bothered in taking Milly out of Ashford…
    The next episode will be just black knights, britanian knights and the Union Nations battle… the only to characters to develope will be the others knights of rounds…

  • July 27, 2008 at 2:31 amRemmell

    I don’t know. Even with Milly out of school they haven’t taken her out of the story. She’s been appearing still. She’s even still in the opening.

    I noticed in this picture. http://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2039.jpg Where it says, “STATUS” it looks like it’s ‘Vanished’. That’s weird. Looks like my theory is right and this bomb is some kind of Vacuum bomb of a Gravity bomb. Somethigng that expands and then collapses in on itself.

  • July 27, 2008 at 2:36 amKalessin

    The most likely girl to end up with Lelouch at this point is Kallen. Shirley’s dead. Milly doesn’t have regular contact with him now (and since she’s never really made an active move towards acquiring him, it’s not like she’d end up with him anyway given how he is). C.C. is definitely going to be with him physically, but mentally, she’s a child now. She’s not fit to be a love interest at this point. Kallen, on the other hand, is alive and well. All she has to do is get free from Britannia and she has every opportunity to be with Lelouch.

    Really, if Lelouch is going to end up with anyone at this point, the most likely is Kallen. The only other person that I really even see as a possibility is C.C. – if she ever gets her memories back. And given how Lelouch is emotionally, it’s not like he’s likely to choose one girl over another (particularly since romance isn’t exactly the main focus of this show). I see three possibilities for Lelouch’s love life if C.C. gets her memories back:

    1. Lelouch ends up with both C.C. and Kallen (the emperor has multiple wives, though I’m not sure anyone else does).

    2. Either C.C. or Kallen dies (leaving him with the other one).

    3. He doesn’t end up with anyone (be it because he dies or he just doesn’t actually get together with anyone).

    Given how the overall situation keeps changing and how it looks like it might change even more drastically over the next few episodes, it’s really hard to say what they’re going to do with Lelouch romantically. While there are multiple girls that have been important to him over the course of the series and they have all played crucial roles in various episodes, romance is not the core of this show and Lelouch is far from the most romantic guy ever. At this point, I don’t think that there is any way that he’s going to get together with anyone other than Kallen or C.C. but it’s totally open as to whether he’ll get together with anyone at all. We’re really just going to have to wait and see.

    What I don’t get is how anyone can really think that Milly getting together with Lelouch is anything other than wishful thinking. While she might very well be a decent match for Lelouch, she’s never really gone after him romantically (much as she might have wanted to) and she’s now been pretty much written out of the story.

  • July 27, 2008 at 2:59 amKalessin

    Here is the current character chart for Code Geass: http://geass.jp/correlative.html

    I can’t read a lick of Japanese, so I don’t know what any of it says other than what you can determine from the layout and what I alredy know. For instance, several characters are greyed out and marked with some red kanji. All but one of those characters are dead and all the ones that are dead have the same red kanji, so I’m assuming that that’s what their red kanji basically says. Milly is the only other character greyed out and marked red kanji who isn’t dead, but her kanji says something else. I’m guessing that it’s basically indicating that she’s gone from the show, but I don’t know. This is definitely one of those times that being able to read Japanese would be nice, but oh well. It’s interesting to look at and at least gives the impression that they’re saying that Milly is definitively gone from the show as an active character.

  • July 27, 2008 at 3:43 amMax

    Milly is gone from Ashford Academy as a student. She hasn’t left the show. To be honest, until we can see some increased interactions between Milly and Lelouch in the upcoming episodes, I will not post any more comments about her character. I’ll let the upcoming future episodes reveal that. Otherwise, my theories about a possible Milly X Lelouch relationship will be nothing more than wishful thinking, as most of the fans have stated.

  • July 27, 2008 at 4:22 amKalessin

    Well, Milly and Lelouch might not be all that bad a pairing. I just don’t think that there’s really anything in the show to support it. Lelouch isn’t all that outgoing in going after women, though he does manage to have quite a few that would like to go out with him (practically the whole school it seems). Whichever girl that gets him is likely going to have to be quite close to him and be at least somewhat aggressive about it or it’ll probably never happen. Lelouch is going to have to really care about the girl to go after her himself.

    Milly is somewhat close to him, but she doesn’t spend much time with him (even in season 1 she didn’t spend a lot of time with him when compared to some of the other female characters) and now not only is Lelouch seemingly pretty much gone from school more or less permanently, but Milly isn’t certainly is. They amount of contact that they have is going to be quite small. She may pop up in the show from time to time, but it’s highly unlikely that there will be any opportunity for Milly to get closer to Lelouch. Milly may technically still be in the show, but at this point, it looks like she’s as good as gone for the most part.

    It is conceivable that depending on how the show ends that Milly and Lelouch might have the opportunity to get together sometime after the end of the show if he hasn’t died or gotten together with someone else by that point. But even if that were the case, it’s not like we’d ever see it since it’d be after the show had ended. So, while seeing Milly and Lelouch together could be interesting – and I can certainly see why you might want that to happen – I just don’t think that there’s much chance of it.

  • July 27, 2008 at 11:12 amSilentveil


    Who said I looked at them, but when every other message has spoiler on it …it gets kind of annoying.

    I have to agree with the Lelouche part, he should have put a bullet in Lelouche’s brain and all of his problems would have been solved on the day that he captured him. But you know, being the good guy he is …he just let his memory be wipe. Hell, Lelouche is already dead according to the show, so putting a body in an empty grave wouldn’t have been anything. No one would even look for him. Suzaku could have a million reasons for the bodies disappearances, and with that Nunnelly’s secret could have been saved. Then Suzaku could have stay in the military and never bother wth Nunnelly again.

    THat would give everyone a real reason to hate him, but instead, he simply turns him over the Emporeor. Geesh, you got to hate the guy.


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  • June 19, 2009 at 4:08 pmDimeric

    I have to agree with this comment on the first page.

    “Anonymous at 6:06 am on July 20th, 2008

    Lelouch is immortal. His Geass deactivated! Now HE can issue the Geass to people!”

    Somehow C.C. transferred her power without dieing and instead returned to the age and memories at the point where she first received her own geass 100′s of years ago.

    Technically Charles could now give C.C. a new power and then C.C. take his code and life. Making C.C. and LuLu both immortal by the end of this show.

    That’s what I’m hopeing will happen. =]

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