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Macross Frontier – 20

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Summary:

When Sheryl had come to see Alto on the school rooftop, he had felt that she wanted to sing again and had caught her when she felt faint. With Sheryl in his arms, Alto had asserted that she wouldn’t abandon singing and had reminded her of how many people her songs reached, but their conversation is cut short when Ranka suddenly appears. Ranka assumes that she’s interrupting something and tries to run off, however she trips and falls flat on her face. The pain Ranka feels makes her want to die, and that causes a reaction in the Vajra inside the Macross Frontier. One of their first victims is the sniper who was trying to kill Howard Glass, and they soon start wreaking havoc all over the colony ship. Howard manages to get away safely, and one of the first things he does is to call Leon to tell him about the problem. This surprises Leon because he expected Howard to be dead already, and while Leon isn’t paying attention, Ozma and Cathy escape from his office.

In response to the developing situation, Alto begs Ranka to sing in order to protect the city, but she refuses to do so and declares that she’s not a tool to fight the Vajra. This leaves Alto unsure of what to do, so Sheryl takes the matter into her own hands by literally slapping some sense into Ranka. Sheryl feels that Ranka is a pro who has a power in her voice that Sheryl can’t have even if she wanted it, and although this convinces Ranka to sing, she does so with a pain in her heart. Instead of pacifying the Vajra though, this only causes their assault to intensify. Even more Vajra then emerge from the bowels of the ship, and Ranka stops singing when she realizes what’s happening. To make matters worse, the Macross Quarter suddenly detects numerous large Vajra defolding in the space around the Macross Frontier. In the midst of this chaos, Alto meets up with Mikhail and the others and proposes that they head for the S.M.S base where there are more weapons.

When Sheryl and Nanase get separated from everyone due to a stray shell creating a firewall between them, Sheryl urges the others to go on ahead so that they can put a stop to this. Alto thus grabs Ranka’s hand and runs, and as she’s being pulled along, Ranka notices how hot his hand is – it reminds of a similar feeling from her past. The person who was with her back then – Brera – is currently looking for her, but he gets instructions from Grace to go out and fight in his Valkyrie instead. Grace believes that the Vajra won’t harm the Little Queen, and she forces Brera to follow her orders. Ozma and Cathy meanwhile are making their way to the Battle Frontier via a shortcut when they find Howard’s bullet-ridden body – courtesy of Leon – lying in a corridor. By now, Alto’s group had made their way to the S.M.S base and have picked up some weapons and EX-Gears. While Alto and Mikhail hold off the Vajra, Kuran strips her clothes off so that she can enter the nearby macronization chamber, but she first takes a moment to ask Mikhail again about where his feelings of love lie. After Mikhail jokes about it without answering, Kuran decides that he is a coward, so she punches him and kisses him while he’s leaning down. She also confesses that she loves him before running to the chamber.

In an emergency shelter elsewhere in the city, Sheryl tends to Nanase’s wounds and overhears all the frightened people questioning why Ranka isn’t singing to stop the Vajra. Remembering what Alto had said to hear back on the school rooftop, Sheryl pulls out her earring and decides that if Ranka is the songstress of hope, then Sheryl will sing during despair. She thus starts singing Diamond Crevasse, and this calms everyone by drawing their attention to her. Back at the macronization room, Mikhail wonders about risking your life for the person you really love, and moments later, three Vajra burst through the room’s walls. The Vajra target Kuran, but Mikhail gets in their way and manages to take two of them out. The last one, however, comes at him from behind and succeeds at stabbing him in the gut. Despite his wound, Mikhail refuses to let the Vajra hurt Kuran and charges it, killing it and blasting a hole in the outer wall. As he floats past the macronization chamber afterwards, Mikhail apologizes to Kuran for not being able to say this sooner: he loves her. He then gets sucked out through the hole into space, leaving behind only his glasses.

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Well that was depressing, though not completely unexpected. I suspected that they’d kill off either Mikhail or Kuran this episode, and it turned out to be the former (though it wouldn’t surprise me if Kuran died next week given how she looks in the preview). I had been hoping the two would get a happy ending, but I guess it just wasn’t meant to be. Mikhail got a very nice/heroic death scene instead, with Sheryl singing Diamond Crevasse (so that’s why they named the episode that) in the background, and he was able to say that he loved Kuran at the very end after saving her. Plus the shot of the broken glasses after the ED – which was incidentally just a continuation of Diamond Crevasse with credits over a black background – was a nice sentimental touch.

I’m glad at least that Sheryl is back in the groove, though it irks me that – as if to balance Sheryl out – Ranka lost so much confidence. I realize that it’s something like a zero-sum game since theoretically only one of them can end up with Alto, but that doesn’t make it any less frustrating to watch. Ranka’s despair has bigger consequences though because of the implied effect her feelings have on the Vajra, and I hope she doesn’t ever realize that she might indirectly or partially be responsible for Mikhail’s death. Now that I think about it, if there’s one lesson I hope Mikhail’s death taught to the others, it’s that you shouldn’t be indecisive about love and the people that matter to you. And while I doubt it’ll happen soon, something like that could lead to Alto finally choosing between Ranka and Sheryl.

On a related note, now that the shit has begun to hit the fan, I wonder how many more of the cast will die. As I mentioned, Kuran’s one possibility, Luca is another, and there’s always the chance one of the main three won’t make it.

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:11 pmNotWestloNoReally

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  Fucking blizzard just majorly buffed fury warriors, wtf is up with that shit I can’t fucking believe they just about gave them a perma mortal strike fucking hell lololol

  ranka sucks.

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:21 pmcheese

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  ani d @ “You know the strongest SherylxAlto episodes will always be 5, 6 and 18. That’s it. I’ll understand where you’re coming from if episodes 15,16,17,19,20 point heavily towards Sheryl’s favor.”

  This is why I don’t understand some of the illogical arguments who said,”If it’s SherylxAlto in Ep 18-22, then it’s AltoxRanka in 23-28″. It’s not about which episodes are strongest for each pairing. It’s about how every episode connects together with one another and see where all the build-up lies. It’s about watching the characters and understanding the little messages the episodes are telling us. Some people are likely to find recent developments unsettling because of er, shipping glasses or the refusal to acknowledge subtle but important tidbits that ties into the bigger picture.

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:24 pmNotWestloNoReally

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  I know cheese, if they can’t see the current buildup which is going to peak in ep 22 than lol @ them.

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:26 pmFirseal

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  Just wandered back, but a note.

  @ani_d:
  Even if that kid accidentally shot someone with a gun because he doesn’t know how it works, he sure did it, but that doesn’t mean he gets to have a lethal injection and be damned for the rest of his life.

  If he got a lethal injection, he wouldn’t have much of a long life left to be damned in. Which, given the way characters can die in a Macross (particularly as the end draws near) might relate well to the fates of any of the cast currently.

  But alas, no. I don’t want Ranka to get a lethal injection. Be nice if she survives, be better if she atones. What I want is for her to wake up, remember, and grow up. I don’t even need them in those order. I want her to show maturity, or at least a backbone. I want her to show evidence of enough intelligence to manage the mental math that she’s got power here, and she’s been abusing it by letting it be run by her lack of control. I want her to be more than she was, rather than less – which is what she was this episode.

  I want Ranka to be worth rooting for. I want her to be worth the redemption that we all highly suspect the writers are gonna unload on us. Is that too much to ask?

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:30 pmCain

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  What Redemption? She doesn’t know about why the Vajra are affected by her songs. How can she be held responsible for that? If anyone is, that’s clearly Leon and his schemings. Leave Ranka alone. Honestly.

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:31 pmBigTime

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  Ignorance is a sin people, not knowing is NOT an excuse under any law EXCEPT for an anime.

  I don’t think you understood this, this rule doesn’t apply to an anime because you can make shit up and give reasons beyond God himself. I was being sarcastic, too much AltoXSherlXRanka can eat your minds.

  Btw i’m 9 not 10 year’s old

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:35 pmichiYo

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  @ justinstife I already dropped by … Some people there are just ridiculous with their “Sheryl our queen “, some are doing their propaganda like someone already said it here, some think they’re psychoanalyst :) No thanks.
  I’m here to watch anime not to analyze each character in some biased ways in a essay form to show people a theory, which is full of ” So sheryl is awesome “.

  @WingZero LOL Ozma is already taken!

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• August 23, 2008 at 9:38 pmNotWestloNoReally

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  “Leave Ranka alone. Honestly.”

  Youtube vid please.

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• August 23, 2008 at 10:24 pmNoracalo

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  Well, i have to say this anime is awesom, Deculte, sugoi. don’t have words to express it.

  I am always those kind of ppl that can (or may said could) read underline and have a good guess on what will going on in the next Ep. This time i was in shock, what they did with Michel was flawless, i never see that coming. I am sad also, he didn’t deserv it. I can only think that they did this for Alto, hope he will realize the how important is to make choices, in the RIGHT TIME and MOMENT. Alto has lost his closer friend, someone who alway was there giving him advices. In some way or another, this will make Alto grown up or, how to say it, make him less dense.

  About Ranka vs Alto vs Sheryl, I do believe Ranka will get to the spot light with her memory regain. This could have 2 ways: get ranka closer to his brother and somehow she will grown up and undertand what is going on around… or Ranka will colapse knowing it was all her fault (but it wasn’t)and making a run away from MF and of corse Alto won’t let this happens, at least he will try to get her back at any cost. This 2 scenarios i think i will define what choise will Alto makes, since Sheryl, as it was the songstress from the begining will gain her title back (good for her) and sheryl knows that was all thank to Alto’s support BUT sadly she has a expirate date with her sickness… i really don’t know how could Sheryl cheat death from that. Here is were it come to my mind Luca. That small boy could have an answer somewhere in his laptop, he could try to analyse the stone and try to make antidote or something to delay the sickness. Maybe he could have one of those stone (just look at all the Varja Corpse inside the main ship) so he could makes an earring and you know the rest. But Luca is the only one i think that could solve that. So, Luca… don’t die. If Sheryl can’t cheat death, i am pretty sure Ranka will leave MF. In this scenario, Alto leave with nothing. If the 2 girls survive, I believe Ranka will stay with her brother and Sheryl will have the way open for Alto. I don’t see how Ranka could stay alive in MF with Alto at the end (unless Sheryl die). I can’t imagine Alto getting killed at the end, could be a chance, but i don’t think the writters will do it.

  Nothing else to say. Really good EP, made me cry.

  Also, about Grace and Leon plot, this could take any turn. May Ozma with Kathy be the next on the list? OR will Klan get a chance to burn all those Varja with a kamikaze attack (using those MDE bombs). I do believe Klan will survive. Why do you ask? simple because she is the only one that can tell Alto that Sheryl got a sickness (because Sheryl won’t do it, she will die before telling him). About Nanase, i am sure she will survive.

  And Michel, Rest in Peace. We will miss you.

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• August 23, 2008 at 10:31 pmJustinStrife

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  Ichiyo: Those essay forms, are people who excelled at writing essays and doing analysis in college. Or are people who’ve experienced real life for many years(as well as relationships).

  But alas, you can think what you want, as do the rest of us. I have to wonder though how many relationships some of you have been in…

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• August 23, 2008 at 10:49 pmBigTime

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  @Noracalo
  Funny that’s what i’m thinking for Klan, if she were to die, she’s the one who might tell Alto about Sheryl in her last moments.

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• August 23, 2008 at 11:03 pmCain

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  “Ignorance is a sin people”, wait, what? Keep your religious BS to you, just an advice for the future.

  “not knowing is NOT an excuse under any law”
  There is NO law that dictates to the poor girl that she should always be in a cheerful mood so that the Vajra doesn’t turn into a swarm of mindless bugs.

  Ranka is obviously not at fault for being a lab specimen; and always looking for someone to blame, instead of looking at the bigger picture, is the greatest sign of ignorance as well.

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• August 23, 2008 at 11:14 pmNoracalo

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  @BigTime

  Yeah, that what i was thinking. And if that happen in the next Ep (21), then Alto will do somthing about Sheryl on the Ep.22 and the cheat death plan could start.

  Also, we can all see comming that Brera, when he get some of his memory back, will take Grace down. In this case, i do believe both will die. Leon will be killed by Kathy, but Ozma will die before that, i can bet on it. I can feel it on the air.

  Well, all depend on the wirters, but since is has taken many turns and unexpected thing had happened (Sheryl sickess, Ozma alive, Michel dead, President killed by Leon, Grace resolving the mystery behind all (something even WE don’t know what the mystery is) we can start making a bingo list. The next one on hiting the floor will be:

  Klun -> Ozma -> Leon -> Grace -> Brera -> all Vajra -> Alto

  I don’t know why, but i feel Alto will get owned at the end in a heroic way or will be really close.

  maybe i am geting crazy and sad a the same time. I hope i am getting it wrong..

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• August 23, 2008 at 11:41 pmRaz

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  Man, finally watched this episode.Brought a tear. Superb ending, well done.

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• August 24, 2008 at 12:57 amyuKime

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  Yeah sure, blame Ranka for killing off Michel. Reaally, she purposely did it. And no, it wasn’t Grace, the Vajra or Leon’s fault. Ranka brought about the death of Macross F people all on her own.
  Jeez. I don’t see why everyone (that turns out to be a Sheryl hardcore fan) is jumping at every possible chance to criticize Ranka’s actions. And if Ranka did a good deed, they don’t see it and just see the bad side of it. Just like the Gallia IV incident. Passing it off as a not-that-heroic stunt just because Zentradis love singing? Oh sure… Everybody loved her singing that’s why she almost got shot. Yeah, she didn’t risk her life. AT ALL.

  Quoting Westlo:
  “Have you bothered to watch the last 6 episodes?”

  And have YOU watched all the episodes clearly?
  1-14: had Ranka tidbits in them all the WHILE! Her ups and downs were developed and shown fully so don’t disregard them. Alto x Ranka moments are present too.

  15 pretty much set the two girls on an even pedestal with Alto.
  Agreed. So at least we know Ranka and Sheryl are fighting on same grounds here.

  16 Sheryl and Alto were nearly there until Michael interrupted.
  Yeah right. In episode 13, Ranka and Alto were on the confession mode as well if it weren’t for the little Vajra thing that interrupted them.

  17 had no romantic interest from Alto in Ranka period, even after Ranka gave the cliche “Don’t think of anything weird line” (Such pure love!).
  Oh yeah. And guess what? Alto didn’t even think of Sheryl even once in that episode. And not to mention Sheryl’s name went down on the credits list too.

  18… “SHIT!!!!” says it all, not to mention Alto was so worried his piloting skills were well below normal.
  Yeah. He said, “SHIT.” Well, Alto said, “Get the hell out of there, Ranka’s inside!” And all that desperate stuff just to save her in Episode 13 and 14. And because Alto was THAT worried about Ranka, his piloting skills became well above normal. At least thinking about Ranka, improves Alto’s skills..

  19 He went back to the place he sweared to never go again for Sheryl. We see that Sheryl’s words in the bunker in episode 3 had a profound effect on him (told you so! so many weeks ago…)
  Yeah. Still they fought and didn’t get the chance to have nice interaction.

  20 Alto once again uses an emotional vocal range for Sheryl but hey that might just be because Alto’s VA is a Sheryl fanboy though right? Than there’s the I WILL COME BACK FOR YOU scene… also lol @ ALto going “Ranka!” and yet he doesn’t even take a step forward, to quote you guys “THAT’S LOVE!” But you guys want to ignore that and focus on Alto holding Ranka’s hand which gave her a flashback of Brera. We all know Ranka will regain her memories and hey that has nothing to do with Alto period… but Brera otoh…
  I will come back for you but he didn’t, did he? If he comes back for Sheryl next episode, maybe I’ll be thinking more that he DOES feel something for Sheryl… But for now (and looking at the preview), seems like he didn’t come back for Sheryl.. Oh, and I don’t know about other Ranka fans but the holding hands that I was so excited about was the one way after Alto pulled Ranka to run. It was when they were trying to go to the SMS base, with Luca opening the door. Alto and Ranka were holding hands EVEN until then. It’s kinda sweet and makes you want to say, “That’s love!”. And about Ranka regaining her memories, what of it? It’s not like her feelings towards Alto will change because of it. I think it will even bring them somehow closer.

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• August 24, 2008 at 1:19 amCerrian

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  @ yuKime
  “I will come back for you but he didn’t, did he? If he comes back for Sheryl next episode, maybe I’ll be thinking more that he DOES feel something for Sheryl… But for now (and looking at the preview), seems like he didn’t come back for Sheryl.. Oh, and I don’t know about other Ranka fans but the holding hands that I was so excited about was the one way after Alto pulled Ranka to run. It was when they were trying to go to the SMS base, with Luca opening the door. Alto and Ranka were holding hands EVEN until then. It’s kinda sweet and makes you want to say, “That’s love!”. And about Ranka regaining her memories, what of it? It’s not like her feelings towards Alto will change because of it. I think it will even bring them somehow closer.”

  I have a problem with interpreting the hand holding scenes like that. There was nothing romantic about it and it was definitely not Alto’s intention to signal any romantic interests he may have had. Instead, I viewed that scene as a soldier protecting the single most important asset in Frontier’s fight against the Vajra. Alto’s top priority was to ensure that Ranka made it safely to SMS’ facilities and to the fold wave-amp thingy. There’s no way in hell he’s going to let go of her hand until she is safely delivered to SMS or risk being separated from her during the fighting and running. You’re injecting your own feelings into those scenes if you’re picking up romantic vibes from it.

  Also, it’s probably a bad idea to use the Galia IV arc to argue that Ranka risked more and therefore “earned” Alto. The truth of it all is that while Ranka faced a rebelling Zentradi division, Sheryl and Mikhail risked a whole lot more when then chose to chase after the entire Vajra fleet by themselves, all to save 1 person.

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• August 24, 2008 at 1:32 amEri

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  i bet the macross makers are having a field time mixing up people’s emotions like this!

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• August 24, 2008 at 1:54 amBigTime

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  @Cerrian
  “You’re injecting your own feelings into those scenes if you’re picking up romantic vibes from it.”

  Quote for the win

  Really now, too much over analyzing “what” a character feels isn’t doing any good.

  Both of the girls, what ever they do (Right or Wrong) will always be on equal grounds until Alto picks one.

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• August 24, 2008 at 2:06 amyuKime

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  “I have a problem with interpreting the hand holding scenes like that. There was nothing romantic about it and it was definitely not Alto’s intention to signal any romantic interests he may have had. Instead, I viewed that scene as a soldier protecting the single most important asset in Frontier’s fight against the Vajra. Alto’s top priority was to ensure that Ranka made it safely to SMS’ facilities and to the fold wave-amp thingy. There’s no way in hell he’s going to let go of her hand until she is safely delivered to SMS or risk being separated from her during the fighting and running. You’re injecting your own feelings into those scenes if you’re picking up romantic vibes from it.”

  I guess the romantic feeling that will make you say, “That’s love!” came from me that was a Ranka x Alto shipper. But still I can’t agree that it was all only duty as a soldier to Alto holding Ranka’s hand. More than anything, he is concerned for her even if she is not a trump card against Vajra. Holding her hand was to comfort her in a means to say, “I’m here.” I don’t think Alto was that into his job that he’d hold Ranka’s hand just to protect a trump card.

  “Also, it’s probably a bad idea to use the Galia IV arc to argue that Ranka risked more and therefore “earned” Alto. The truth of it all is that while Ranka faced a rebelling Zentradi division, Sheryl and Mikhail risked a whole lot more when then chose to chase after the entire Vajra fleet by themselves, all to save 1 person.”

  I never even pointed out that Ranka deserved/earned Alto because she saved/risked her life for him. The point I was making is that Ranka’s heroic act is still being belittled by Sheryl fans. Sure Sheryl and Mikhail risked something else but Ranka singing in the open like that was very dangerous too. Unlike Sheryl and Mikhail who were in a VF somehow protected, Ranka stood in the open field with armed Zentradis that can shoot her any minute. I think Ranka being totally unprotected at that moment makes her situation more risky.

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• August 24, 2008 at 2:07 amShinichikou

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  i believe Mikhail will come back as a brain washed guy

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• August 24, 2008 at 2:28 amnelly

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  @yuKime
  I guess the romantic feeling that will make you say, “That’s love!” came from me that was a Ranka x Alto shipper. But still I can’t agree that it was all only duty as a soldier to Alto holding Ranka’s hand. More than anything, he is concerned for her even if she is not a trump card against Vajra. Holding her hand was to comfort her in a means to say, “I’m here.” I don’t think Alto was that into his job that he’d hold Ranka’s hand just to protect a trump card.

  It might be slightly both, but mostly he wants to get her to help them. He held her hand because she wouldn’t move her dumb ass without him pulling her away. He’s protecting her to protect Frontier. If he thought “It’s love!” he would have bothered to talk to her after she ran away crying instead of just asking her to sing for them. They had nearly no connection the whole episode, despite her clinging to him.

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• August 24, 2008 at 2:48 ambobo

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  i think that (cathy) will pilot Miche’s VF3

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• August 24, 2008 at 2:48 amyuKime

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  @nelly
  “He held her hand because she wouldn’t move her dumb ass without him pulling her away.”
  If you didn’t notice they were very VEEEERY done running so Alto didn’t have to pull Ranka anymore. They were just standing there waiting for Luca to open the door, it’s not like he needed to drape his arms around Ranka to make sure she’s safe. It was mostly concern that made him do it. And sure, he didn’t thought “It’s love!”, who said that anyway? (I am the one thinking that it’s love seeing as I’m the Ranka x Alto shipper here.) Alto is dense in romantic stuff so he wouldn’t know that Ranka was upset because she saw him and Sheryl. But there is definitely concern hence I love the scene that Alto’s holding Ranka’s hand.

  Nearly no connection despite her clinging to him? What do you expect when there are vajras on the wild? You can’t expect them to talk while their lives are in danger now, would you? Their connection was evident enough in that little scene where they were holding hands. And again, not the holding hands when Alto was running with Ranka.

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• August 24, 2008 at 3:07 amani

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  @Westlo
  Argue.Objectively.For.Once.

  I’m not interested in your automatic twisted memory response because you lost me the moment you said that I was aboard SS Branka in episode 7. You are so off with your analyses that I don’t even want to bother quoting you word for word. I’m sorry.

  Seriously. What is so hard about arguing objectively, people?

  @Firseal
  “I want Ranka to be worth rooting for. I want her to be worth the redemption that we all highly suspect the writers are gonna unload on us. Is that too much to ask?”

  Nope it’s not. But I’m sure you do realize that Ranka WILL redeem herself in the future episodes. This is my point over and over about this whole “Ranka’s-to-blame” fiasco. There is no need to be this harsh on her with her in the dark like this because I’m pretty sure Ranka will reflect on this once she finds out. Any decent human being would. Maturation is a process, one episode alone does not cut it so it is very pointless to complain so much at this point.

  @Yukime
  Don’t even bother explaining it to westlo since he’s just going to find another genius way to twist what you said. That’s his bitter talent. ;)

  @Cerrian
  I’m sure we know the difference between a soldier/bodyguard protecting someone out of duty and a close friend protecting you because he wants to. Which one do you think is in Alto’s character? The former? Your bodyguard does not put his arm around you and hold your hands when you feel afraid unless he’s your classmate that you feel really close to and cares for you. While it’s true, Alto’s duty is to ensure Ranka’s safety, there is no need for Alto to hold Ranka that close to the point that he basically looks like her boyfriend. This of course doesn’t automatically state that Alto is in love with Ranka because it’s vague, but clearly, this is a sign of affection.

  And I’m curious…how did it become a bad idea to use Galia IV arc to prove how much Ranka risked to earn Alto? Everything changed for her because she just had to follow Alto to Galia 4. If she didn’t go to Galia 4, Galaxy wouldn’t have confirmed her existence. She wouldn’t be caught in her own past and relive her twisted connection with the Vajra. She wouldn’t be picked on by Grace only to be used as a tool. She could’ve just stayed on Frontier and kept a low profile, but she just had to tell the world she exists. She unknowingly brought this all upon herself all because she wanted to tell Alto “Happy Birthday”. It’s a no-brainer that what she did was downright reckless, and Ozma(the story’s spokesperson at that moment) even emphasized this.

  How did this effort pales in comparison to Sheryl’s own battle with Michael when during that time, Ranka is ALSO on the battlefield and is even on the enemy’s lair? =/ If anything I have yet to see Sheryl pull something more extreme.

  The point here is that Ranka took a big risk and did something reckless for Alto. That’s not something people should forget when they wish to accuse her of being self-centered and thinks only about herself when it comes to doing things for Alto’s sake. She’s not just some damsel in distress who can’t seem to return the favor to her knight. And she proved this.

  Knowing that a person cares enough to do something crazy on your account (even without knowing anything about you) bears more weight than just simply trying to know you. For sure. :)

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• August 24, 2008 at 3:14 amMagnus

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  WestloXMeFTL:

  Um, okay. Down, boy, take your dog cookie. Kids these days…

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• August 24, 2008 at 3:25 amMagnus

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  NotWestloNoReally: Oh, now I am imagining a Britney-style “Leave Ranka alone!” video. Damn you! :P

  And I can´t believe how heated this stuff has become here. Although it is amusing to read, I prefer to post on Animesuki, because I can at least revise my post to be grammatically correct, if I notice something was wrong. I really hate messageboards with no editing function.

  Not to mention that I think all you AltoXRanka shippers are nuts, but that´s a topic for another day. :D We´ll see in a month or two anyway… I promise I won´t gloat *too* badly. ^^

  BTW, Westlo, you really think it´ll be only 25 episodes? While the romance aspect gets a bit more difficult to exactly pin down for 28 episodes, the rest of the story seems to be a bit rushed if only we have 5 more episodes. Maybe they´ll resolve the romance aspect a few episodes before the end, so that they can focus on resolving the restant plot satisfactorily?

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• August 24, 2008 at 3:38 amyuKime

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  @ani
  Is this ani_d as well…? Just curious. And don’t worry, even if Westlo twists anything I say, I’ll still continue answering him, just for the heck of seeing how far he can twist stuff for his beloved Sheryl-sama. XD

  @Magnus
  If you think AltoxRanka shippers are nuts and can’t tolerate us anymore you can always go back to your haven Animesuki where you can go worship Sheryl all you want. ^^

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• August 24, 2008 at 3:53 amCerrian

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  @Ani

  “And I’m curious…how did it become a bad idea to use Galia IV arc to prove how much Ranka risked to earn Alto? Everything changed for her because she just had to follow Alto to Galia 4. If she didn’t go to Galia 4, Galaxy wouldn’t have confirmed her existence. She wouldn’t be caught in her own past and relive her twisted connection with the Vajra. She wouldn’t be picked on by Grace only to be used as a tool. She could’ve just stayed on Frontier and kept a low profile, but she just had to tell the world she exists. She unknowingly brought this all upon herself all because she wanted to tell Alto “Happy Birthday”. It’s a no-brainer that what she did was downright reckless, and Ozma(the story’s spokesperson at that moment) even emphasized this.”

  Sorry, I need to clarify my position. The Galia IV arc is filled with one heroic action after another. A lot of people would take the position that Ranka’s actions to fly to Galia IV and calm the Zentradi rebellion was extremely risky, reckless, and heroic. But people tend to forget that there were 2 other heroic events in that arc, specifically Sheryl & Mikhail’s attempt to save Ranka and Alto’s attempt to save Rank during the fleet fight (note that neither one were successful).

  If we compare Ranka’s heroic actions against Sheryl & Mikhail’s or against Alto’s, then the significance of her actions starts to diminish. To make this short, Sheryl & Mikhail’s actions were on an order-of-magnitude more risker, reckless, and ultimately more stupid. They flew by themselves into the mist of a complete Vajra fleet filled with a mothership, carriers, battleships, cruisers, and tons of fighters with the intent to save a single person. They had no time to make a plan and almost certainly on a suicide mission. Nonetheless they agreed to risk everything to save Ranka.

  Compare that to Ranka’s pacification mission where she knew exactly what she would be flying into, had a plan to reduce her risks, and had a good chance of coming out of there safely. Ranka & Mikhail may have put their lives on the line, but they were able to mitigate much of their risks. It’s a no brainer that what Sheryl & Mikhail attempted was above and beyond what Ranka did.

  The final point is that Ranka’s action should be viewed in the context of the other extraordinary feats that occurred in that same arc.

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:04 amq-girl

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  cathy will fly Miches plane u ll see

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:14 amyuKime

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  @Cerrian
  I still don’t agree to your claim that Ranka’s actions were below what Sheryl and Mikhail did. If anything, I will agree more if you said both were equal of value. The fact that Ranka had the choice not to do it makes her decision to come to Gallia IV already heroic. She didn’t even have to do that at all. Nobody told her to save Alto’s gang there she decided on her own, making her sacrifice noteworthy. Ranka never knew how to fight but she managed to gather enough courage to save everyone.

  Sure Sheryl and Mikhail too were facing danger but I don’t think it was a suicide mission at all. Mikhail is a soldier and soldiers have the duty to save civilians from hostage crisis like what happened to Ranka. Saying it is suicide for Mikhail/Sheryl, don’t you think you’re undermining Mikhail’s ability and training as a soldier to fight? He is designed for jobs like this so saying it’s a suicide mission… I don’t think so. They are geared for battle anytime, being in a VF.

  She had plans to reduce her risks? If she did plan well ahead, she would have worn a battle suit at least. But she didn’t, showing us her reckless side that is very determined to save her friends. Had a good chance coming out alive? If it weren’t for Alto interrupting that Zentradi that was about to shoot her, do you think she had good chances coming out safely?

  Final point I want to say, Ranka’s act is NOT below Sheryl and Mikhail’s attempt to save her. Sure Vajras are scaaaary and far more in number compared to the Zentradi folks but both situations were dangerous. One shot could have caused both situations dead bodies.

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:28 amJustinStrife

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  “Sure Sheryl and Mikhail too were facing danger but I don’t think it was a suicide mission at all. Mikhail is a soldier and soldiers have the duty to save civilians from hostage crisis like what happened to Ranka. Saying it is suicide for Mikhail/Sheryl, don’t you think you’re undermining Mikhail’s ability and training as a soldier to fight? He is designed for jobs like this so saying it’s a suicide mission… I don’t think so. They are geared for battle anytime, being in a VF.”

  One VF vs an entire alien enemy fleet wasn’t a suicide mission? What the hell Yukime! Listen to yourself talk! If it was Max Sterling piloting, I might be able to see your point, but Michael and the rest of Macross: Frontier, has been shown to be no Max Sterling. Michael is a sniper, not a close quarters ace. When you’re going into the heart of an enemy fleet to rescue one person, and your main attributes is sniping from a safe distance, AND you’re carrying a long with you the Galaxy Fairy, you most definitely are on a suicide mission!

  I can’t believe how willing you Ranka shippers are, to twist things around. You have absolutely no logical thinking in those heads of yours. I hate to be harsh, but if I have to argue about one sniper equipped valkyrie going up against an entire armada being a suicide mission, you really are a joke. A complete and utter joke.

  Seek help. Your Ranka goggles is showing you a completely different sense of reality from the rest of us.

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:34 ambobo-q

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  Sheryl u rock my world…
  oh i think that cathy will pilot vf2

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:38 amJustinStrife

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  Has Cathy shown any ability towards being a pilot? The most likely candidate currently alive, would be Sheryl, and well, she’ll be too busy singing for the people of Frontier and SMS, to be piloting(unless they pull a female version of Basara). I think we won’t be seeing the blue VF25 again in this series.

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:43 amani

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  @yukime
  Yes, same person lol I feel like we’re both just saying the same thing in just two different versions.

  @Cerrian
  Sheryl and Michael have to hitch a ride with the Vajra or else they’ll die with Planet Galia. Everywhere is a battlefield. It’s not a matter of jumping on the battlefield for the sake of the one you love anymore. More than to go after Ranka, they have to do it to save also themselves. You can’t say Sheryl and Michael’s act was more notable than whatever Ranka did because everyone who chooses to be on the battlefield lays down their lives and deserves to be credited just as much.

  As for Ranka, she chose to join the battlefield in Galia 4 to go to her Alto. The story highlighted this in ep 14 and 12. It’s what the writers want us to look at, not the fact that Sheryl and Michael did a more heroic thing than her (something that is very subjective) thus her sacrifice is not all that great. The story made a big deal out of it. I’m not following how you are able to just belittle Ranka’s feat.

  I’m willing to reinstate this over and over, but the point I’m trying to get at with all this is NOT that Ranka pwned everybody’s heroic stunts when she went to Galia 4, my point is: “Ranka took a big risk and did something reckless for Alto. That’s not something people should forget when they wish to accuse her of being self-centered and thinks only about herself when it comes to doing things for Alto’s sake. She’s not just some damsel in distress who can’t seem to return the favor to her knight. And she proved this.”

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:55 amyuKime

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  Then you take off your Sheryl worshiping bandana and tell me what does carrying a Galactic Fairy have to with it being a suicide mission. I would have completely considered commending your argument but then you went off adding Sheryl in it. Hah. Don’t tell me having Sheryl on the backseat of a VF means going on a suicide mission nowadays?

  So yeah sure, let’s say they were on a suicide mission but I still don’t feel the danger much since it was never shown in the episode. They never entered any of the Vajra ship nor did they shot at it nor did the Vajra ships shot at them. All Sheryl and Mikhail did was fly and get a piggyback ride on one of the Vajra ships folding away. So yeah, sorry for not seeing that they were on a suicide mission.

  And I don’t think Mikhail was trained just for sniping. Yeah his special ability is excellent sniping but I think he is still trained in close combat situations so he still has merits for that. Compare that to Ranka who has zero combat skills who went out on open field, not in a VF nor a battle suit, yeah, Mikhail and Sheryl’s suicide mission sure was a HELL lot dangerous.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:02 amJustinStrife

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  I’ll tell you what it has to do with it being a suicidal mission. Michael now has to worry about both protecting Sheryl Nome, rescuing Ranka, and keeping himself alive. This isn’t just about him getting to Ranka and rescuing her, but also protecting his passenger, who is not a soldier, and can’t fight or defend herself either. For the most part, Sheryl was useless baggage during the attempted rescue mission. Baggage that would weigh on his mind while he’s attempting to do the impossible.

  ani_d: Ranka IS self-centered though. She didn’t go to Galia IV to stop the fighting, she went to Galia IV to save Alto. She didn’t give one rat’s ass about the soldiers, about the civilians on the shuttle who flew Sheryl and Grace there, or Sheryl’s condition when she collapsed on the TV screen. All Ranka cared about, was saving Alto. That is extremely selfish, because she disregards many innocent lives over her blind crush on someone. Considering that someone is also a soldier, she’s not doing him any favors with that line of thinking. Ranka proves time and time again, that she only sees Alto. She only cares about Alto. Her whole fanclub is dying off, and she doesn’t give it a second thought. She needs to wake up and take note what’s going on around her. If she doesn’t, she’ll lose everything. A person’s world should NOT revolve around one other person. It is extremely unhealthy. If Ranka ever hopes of having a relationship with Alto, she needs to broaden her vision and start caring about everyone in her life, not just him.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:04 amaneeshadc

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  Okay, I’ve noticed that people seem to have set different standards for Sheryl & Ranka & I really dont see hw this is fair to either girls. People automatically expect more from Sheryl because she is supposed to be strong While expecting less from ranka beause she is supposedly weaker than Sheryl.

  This is wrong, why, because I dont see sm people as being stronger than others, I just see that sm people choose to be stronger than others. It is this choice & response that makes all the difference not strength of character which everyone possesses but some choose not to use.
  This is the difference b/w Sheryl & Ranka.

  It isnt that ranka isnt as strong as Sheryl, she just chooses not use her existing strength. She chooses to wallow in self-pity. Ranka fans trying to defend her actions with She’s young & inexperienced, troubled past, heartbroken just feels like bullshit to me.

  I like Ranka , Sheryl being my fav character, has no bearing on my liking for ranka. I started out liking both girls & Sheryl morphed into my fav ,primarily, because of the reason(among other reasons) I stated above. Because I like ranka, I dont like hw ranka fans, while professing to like her still expect so little from her. Setting such low standards for Ranka isnt being fair to your fav character at all, IMO.

  I dont buy ranka being young, why, because Sheryl is also young, klan is also young, nanase is also young & so are alto, michael, & luca. Ignoring the others, Sheryl & Ranka are only a year apart.

  Both have tragic pasts, which ranka doesnt remember but probably worries abt in her dreams and Sheryl has a few vague memories of.
  Both are dealing with Heart break ( dont giv me shit & tell me Sheryl isnt cause as far as I can see they are both dealing with the prospect of losing alto. Ranka to another woman, While Sheryl against death, she is dying & therefore also losing alto. Compare their situations & u will see that sheryl’s situation is far more severe cos ranka still has a fighting chance to win alto from sheryl whether she believes it or not while Sheryl cannot fight against death even if she wanted to.)

  Yet despite all these similarities, they respond in completely different ways. Sheryl & Ranka are foils to each other in hw differently they choose to respond to very similar situations.

  Experience, I believe doesnt always bring with it maturity. Again, it all depends on the individual & his choices, u either learn or u dont. For example, Two sons growing up with an abusive, drunk father(unfortunate circumstance) may choose to deal with it in two different ways. While one chooses to become succesful in his respective career choice( positive response), the other chooses to become a drunk like his father abusing his wife & children in return (negative response). Just an example. While the situations are completely different, the concept behind it is the same.

  Some mature with a tough experience while others regress, some do not require a tough experience to become emotionally mature, while others do. So all the sheryl being more experienced talk is also quite vague & doesnt justify rankas actions. Age is just a state of mind, sometimes a 12 year old can be more mature than an 18 or 22 yr old or even older pple. Its hw u choose to define urself that matters.

  I think I’ve covered all the most common excuses ranka fans use to explain her behaviour in ep 20.

  Nw, Why I am disappointed with Ranka’s behaviour in ep 20 is because she refused to sing for everyones sake when alto asks her to. This gives us a glimpse of her self-absorbed behaviour. Her crying was understandable but her wanting to die because sm guy she liked probably liked smone else was sad really, this shows us hw her whole life is centered around alto & herself.

  As a woman, I really dont like the fact that she believes that her life should revolve solely around alto and if theres any guy that shares this chauvinistic, egoistic, pig-ass attitude of hers or even believes its the sign of true love, I am personally going to kick his sorry ass, & for good measure make sure he stays single forever so some poor girl doesnt hav to suffer his pompous attitude.

  I also dont blame Ranka for not being able to sing well, it is fairly, no, mildly ( mildly because, she doesnt decide this on her own, Sheryl had to literally slap some sense into her) ,commendable that she tries to sing despite her emotional unstability. While the vajra became more violent in response to her emotional state, Blaming her for it is still not fair because she didnt know, she wasnt aware, it wasnt intended on her part.
  This is why, while she is absolved from blame or guilt, She is not absolved from responsibility. She is still indirectly responsible for the vajra situation & conseuently Michaels death & Klan’s pain.

  She is not to blame but she needs to take responsibility by learning from this situation & growing from it. That is what I expect from her. Another thing I didnt like was hw she didnt seem to care as much abt Nanase, her best friend. It just reflects badly on her, moreso when U contrast it to the scenes where nanase shows concern for ranka or even where sheryl covers nanase’s body with her own during the shake. Everything else seems alright, in all the other scenes she’s back to her scared normal self.

  I dont really have to touch on hw awesome Sheryl was in this ep. So there, this is my take on the Ranka-Sheryl-comparison issue. I feel that they are both very similar & their different responses to their very similar situations is being purposely contrasted for us viewers. As someone said, Sheryl dealt with a similar situation in ep 7, & despite her breakdown on stage, She managed to pull herself together with ranka’s help & Showed us Why She is on a whole different level of awesome from Ranka.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:19 amani

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  lol I don’t see how you can be so self-centered when you clearly are thinking of another person’s welfare. If you’re going to argue that Ranka doesn’t care about her friends, Ozma, Sheryl and the others then you know very well that’s not true. She’s not that type of person. I won’t waste my breath on this because if you can’t acknowledge this about Ranka, then you’re just in denial or hating her for some stupid reason.

  “A person’s world should NOT revolve around one other person. It is extremely unhealthy. If Ranka ever hopes of having a relationship with Alto, she needs to broaden her vision and start caring about everyone in her life, not just him.”

  Very ideal even if it’s a little exaggerated when you apply it on Ranka’s character. However, this better be not your ultimate argument as to why Ranka will not end up with Alto. Because this is nothing but another ideal opinion of how Alto’s chosen girl should be. ;) I’m still waiting for your big reason as to why you think I’m going to be disappointed in the end.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:38 amSylar

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  Well Ranka is the only one that has eaten something pinapalee..could be an ominous tone…

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:40 amMagnus

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  yuKime: Nah, it´s far too entertaining to see you people pretzeling everything to fit your worldview of “Ranka über alles!”. On Suki we have some rational discussion, between the squeeing over Sheryl, of course.

  aneeshadc: Yeah, for a “best friend”, Ranka surely did not care at all about Nanase. She didn´t even call her name or anything. Of course Ranka shippers ignore that aspect of her personality completely.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:48 amyuKime

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  @ani
  Well, Ranka fans here are numbered but it’s great to have some company! I’m glad we share common thoughts. ^^

  @Justinstrife
  I’m sorry the way you worded it was just funny to me. It sounded like, “Because Sheryl is sitting on the passenger seat, that’s a proof that it is a suicide mission! Hah!”

  “When you’re going into the heart of an enemy fleet to rescue one person, and your main attributes is sniping from a safe distance, AND you’re carrying a long with you the Galaxy Fairy, you most definitely are on a suicide mission!”

  If you had worded it the way you did now, it would have saved me the trouble of criticizing your words. Sorry. ^^ Sheryl being there does not make it a suicide mission but only makes the situation more troublesome for Mikhail is what you should have pointed out from the very start. Wait, wow… so there are situations where Sheryl IS useless. At least we know she’s not always great now! =D

  @aneeshadc

  Seems like I’ve read this post in AS just recently… Anyway, some comments..

  “I dont buy ranka being young, why, because Sheryl is also young, klan is also young, nanase is also young & so are alto, michael, & luca. Ignoring the others, Sheryl & Ranka are only a year apart.”

  True, one year apart but mentally, Sheryl is far mature than Ranka. Why? Because of the different situations and environment they grew up in. Ranka was always sheltered so she grew up meek and not so confident about herself. Sheryl on the other hand was forced to grow up sooner because she had to live her life alone. No one is to blame for that though but I think Ranka being young mentally can be a reason why she is shown a weak character at times.

  Experience doesn’t always come to equate with maturity but in Sheryl’s case it is what made her that way. Her hardships and loneliness made her to think mature and fend off by herself in every situation that comes her way. Ranka having experienced not so much difficulty is having trouble adjusting to them since she’s new at it. Your analogy of two siblings is not applicable to Ranka and Sheryl because like I said, the two had grown up separately thus having experienced different hardships or different environment. If Ranka didn’t have Ozma to shelter her or her friends to support her, I think Ranka would have a tendency to become more like Sheryl but since she grew up being sheltered, she ended up weak and had to meet Alto and Sheryl and encounter these hardships to finally grow up and get out of her weak demeanor.

  “Nw, Why I am disappointed with Ranka’s behaviour in ep 20 is because she refused to sing for everyones sake when alto asks her to. This gives us a glimpse of her self-absorbed behaviour. Her crying was understandable but her wanting to die because sm guy she liked probably liked smone else was sad really, this shows us hw her whole life is centered around alto & herself.”

  Like I said before, Ranka is knew at feeling all this. She’s never fallen in love and never gotten her heart broken like this. Her wanting to die was extreme but still I think it was only her speaking at that moment. She really didn’t plan to act on that wish to die so it’s not really that big deal. It’s like an initial reaction that you blurt out from being hurt or scared, common to teenagers. This doesn’t mean her whole life is centered on Alto and herself. If it were, even if Sheryl slapped her several times, she wouldn’t snap out of it and sing.

  “I also dont blame Ranka for not being able to sing well, it is fairly, no, mildly ( mildly because, she doesnt decide this on her own, Sheryl had to literally slap some sense into her) ,commendable that she tries to sing despite her emotional unstability. While the vajra became more violent in response to her emotional state, Blaming her for it is still not fair because she didnt know, she wasnt aware, it wasnt intended on her part.
  This is why, while she is absolved from blame or guilt, She is not absolved from responsibility. She is still indirectly responsible for the vajra situation & conseuently Michaels death & Klan’s pain.”

  I’m glad that as a Sheryl fan you commend Ranka at times like this unlike some who insist on claiming that Ranka killed Mikhail… Sure she should take responsibility but at least I think the girl should know she did something first before people get their pitchforks and run after her. Indirectly responsible is the key word here.

  “Another thing I didnt like was hw she didnt seem to care as much abt Nanase, her best friend. It just reflects badly on her, moreso when U contrast it to the scenes where nanase shows concern for ranka or even where sheryl covers nanase’s body with her own during the shake.”

  I think Ranka was concerned about Nanase too. Sure she didn’t shout, “Nana-chan!” like Luca shouted her name but the fact that Alto had to pull Ranka away from the scene because she was spacing out means she was shocked and worried about Nanase as well. Why else would she have spaced out?

  And about Sheryl’s glorious comeback this episode, I also loved it! Her resolution to sing again was really great and I loved the scene where she sang in that shelter for those people to calm them. But I have to say that we should also give Ranka a chance to wallow on her break-down stage here (she had just fallen) and give her some time to stand up again before judging her as complete failure. Sheryl also fell for two episodes but she managed to stand up again and I’m sure Ranka will be the same.

  @Magnus:
  Oh you are welcome to stay here! =D We Ranka fans also love to see how good you and Westlo are at twisting facts just to fit your motto: “Sheryl-sama is our almighty queen that will always be above everything in these whole wide universe!” Wait… rational? I guess aside from the squeeing “Sheryl-sama!!!” and posting Ranka ridiculing pictures and criticizing Ranka’s every action, you do have rational discussions at least once every week.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:57 amEri

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  ^ i agree with you.

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• August 24, 2008 at 5:59 amaneeshadc

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  Whew, I didnt realize I was posting in the midst of a shipping war,I’d only read uptill pg 9 before I posted. Wow, things sure are heating up here.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:02 amMagnus

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  YuKime: My take was, that she was spacing out because of the violence happening *because of her* and because her precious Alto-kun had made the boo-boo of doing something she didn´t like. :D

  And even if you are in shock, seeing your supposedly best friend getting hurt *right in front of you* should snap you out of it.

  And, honestly… I am not taking Random Curiousity chat very seriously. It´s gone in three days, with nobody caring anymore. And the average fan here can´t spell very well, which I always take as a sign of someone who doesn´t care very much about his own opinion. We get a lot less of that on Suki, where it´s ( at least recently ) mostly the newly arrived Ranka fans who can´t spell and properly format their replies.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:05 amMagnus

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  See, that´s why this chats editing functions suck. Three times “because” in one sentence, I wouldn´t let this stand in a normal thread. :(

  Aneeshadc: It´s the Ranka fans feeling that their ships end has come, so they stage a last uprising. ^^

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:23 amyuKime

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  @Magnus
  No no… She was far over the fact that there was violence/Vajra all around her and the Alto-made-me-heartbroken feeling is forgotten AT THE MOMENT (though definitely present). If you seen the anime, after Sheryl said they should leave and end the chaos and Alto said “I’ll come back to save you.”, Ranka was hesitant to leave, wanting to stay by Nanase’s side. She looked at Alto’s way then at Nanase’s THEN Alto pulled her saying, “What are you spacing out for?”

  She was worried.

  And if you are that concerned about the editing functions of these chat board yet want to argue with Ranka fans, why complain? Isn’t that a bit pointless?

  “And the average fan here can´t spell very well, which I always take as a sign of someone who doesn´t care very much about his own opinion. We get a lot less of that on Suki, where it´s ( at least recently ) mostly the newly arrived Ranka fans who can´t spell and properly format their replies”

  Are you implying that AS people are more literate or something? (I think I had this convo before on the previous episode..) Because, I bet it’s just all thanks to the editing button/functions of AS forum that you can fix your posts. In fact, posting in boards like this is more challenging since without the edit button, you see who is careful in typing THE FIRST TIME AROUND without relying on edit functions to correct mistakes. Besides, who cares if you misspell a word or two? Nobody is perfect.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:33 amMagnus

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  yuKime: No, nobody is perfect. But if some people don´t know how to write words in uppercase, don´t have any punctuation and “lol” four times in one sentence, then I take that as someone who doesn´t care much about how he comes off to others.

  And, yeah, from what I´ve observed over the months, AS people are more literate. The editing button helps with getting some errors right, but nothing will help you, if you cannot construct an argument in a cohesive and logical manner.

  Back to the show: If Nanase getting hurt would have meant anything to Ranka, her next thought shouldn´t have been “Alto-kuns hand is so warm”. We saw even inside her thoughts, but no thought at all about Nanase. I do think that the writers wanted to tell us something about Ranka as character with that.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:45 amaneeshadc

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  @yukime:
  lol! ya, thats cos I just copied & pasted it here, too lazy.

  you’re right, Sheryl is more mentally mature than ranka due to them having been brought up under different circumstances. Sry, kinda forgot to mention that. This does have a bearing on why ranka appears to be weaker than Sheryl.

  Hmmm…yup when u consider that, most of her behaviour does seem understandable, but I still do think her refusal to sing for everyones sake when alto asked her to was still selfish & cannot be justified by her sheltered existence. She was being self-absorbed in that scene, u cannot deny that. It really doesnt matter hw sheltered ur life was or hw horrid ur childhood was, but when faced with a difficult situation, If u can rise above that, observe ur surroundings, learn from the situation around u & take action, then u’ve won. But ranka slipped & failed to do that. But u can understand y I felt disappointed in her. Of course, I do believe that this means her growth is assured.

  I still think her I wanna die statement was sad, I’ve blurted it out too when I was 12 or smthing but even then it was never for a guy. Also, what u said abt her reaction to nanase being hurt is plausible but it would have been nice if they had made ranka say or do a little more than that espescially when they didnt have any qualms abt putting nanase’s concern for her or Sheryl protecting nanase in the ep.

  I’m willing to give ranka all the time she needs, cos that would make things flow even more smoothly for Sheryl/Alto than it already is. ;) jus kidding, looking forward to see her grow, I do believe her losing alto to sheryl would make her grow the fastest though.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:52 amaneeshadc

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  @ Magnus :
  Kinda see what u mean, Desperate situations call for desperate measures, for both sides of the war, with a few exceptions of course. ;)

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• August 24, 2008 at 7:31 amteh d00d

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  I’m glad Sheryl got her mojo back… Beyond that it was a very sad episode. I really hope Klan doesn’t go the suicide by Vajra route in the next few episodes! She’s just been starting to develop as a character and I think think Michel’s death with just add more depth to her. Angry Meltran Goddess of War indeed! ;P

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• August 24, 2008 at 8:08 amNotWestloNoReally

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  “And don’t worry, even if Westlo twists anything I say, I’ll still continue answering him, just for the heck of seeing how far he can twist stuff for his beloved Sheryl-sama. XD”

  yuKime I’m hurt! As if I would do something like say Alto doesn’t even think about Sheryl once in episode 17 even though he talks to Michael about her condition in the showers after they received their punishment for sneaking her on board in 16….

  Oh wait that was you!

  “Oh yeah. And guess what? Alto didn’t even think of Sheryl even once in that episode. And not to mention Sheryl’s name went down on the credits list too.”

  She said one line in the entire episode and was in it for 20 seconds, why wouldn’t her name go down? I don’t even know why you want to talk about the credits when they have no bearing on the result of a love triangle… and if you want to play that game for some reason Sheryl has been listed #2 more times than Ranka anyway…

  Also if people think Sheryl has no bearing left on the main plot I suggest you go look for the modified scene from Macross Zero in the Blueray version.

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• August 24, 2008 at 8:31 amNotWestloNoReally

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  Oh btw Ranka shippers, please tell me Klan’s role in the rest of the series, she knows about Sheryl’s condition, she just confessed her love too late, hmmm where could they be going here….

  Also what did you think of the parallel between Michaels words to Alto and the words Sheryl overhears Eddie’s father say to Eddie.

  Oh than again why answer this when you can just go zomg ozma entrusted ranka to alto, no way alto doesn’t protect her even though there’s clearly someone else waiting in the wings who will protect Ranka, a certain someone who Ranka will remember when she regains her memories. It’s funny how early on when Brera saved Ranka she mistook it for Alto, I expect Brera to be rewarded at the end of the series.

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• August 24, 2008 at 9:45 amDeckard

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  Amidst all the commotion about usefulness of Ranka, aren’t people overlooking something rather interesting: Sheryl’s effect on Vajra? There isn’t one you say? Then please read on.

  As a recap, Grace has declared Sheryl to be a failed project, but why did she? Well, clearly we never saw her singing have any effect of the bugs, right? Almost, we did see it once, but it was obscured by Ranka signing at the same time: ep 7 inside Vajra ship. Alto says it himself, he heard both of them sing. I agree this is tenuous evidence. So let’s continue. When did Sheryl sing within the range of Vajra? The correct answer is: plenty of times in first few episodes, but it never worked on the bugs. However, this answer requires a qualifier: she only ever sang (ep. 7 excepted) in front of Vajra before she fell in love with Alto. Sheryl’s singing was professional, not emotional, and ep 20 showed that emotions do matter. It was also in ep. 20 that Sheryl sang for the first time solo and emotionally close to Vajra, the effects we’ll see next week.

  Two asides: 1) What about Ranka’s voice having effect on Vajra in ep. 1 and 2, surely she wasn’t channeling her budding love for Alto is her terrified screams. ‘Terrified’ is the key word, her screams were very emotional.

  2) There were several red flags going for Sheryl not being a failure. First is her saying she can’t even dream of having Ranka’s ability. Second, she took out her earring before singing. Third, she was on anti-V infection medication until a few episodes ago.

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• August 24, 2008 at 9:48 amSpacehamster

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  Well, this episode forced the entire series to take an unexpectedly dark turn. From what From I’ve been hearing elsewhere, there won’t be any characters left to justify a second season – most of them will probably be dead. Sheryl is dying of a Type V Heart Infection – something I’m REALLY not happy about as Sheryl is a character I really like. Nanase has been badly injured and will probably be dead by the end of the series. Luca and Klan will probably be next to be killed off. And one of my favourite characters, Mikhail, has been killed off.

  I think Macross Frontier is going to have the bleakest ending to a series since Neon Genesis Evangelion. EVERYONE DIES AND THE BAD GUYS WIN is not the kind of ending I was hoping for. If that’s the direction that Kawamori is going in, then I’ll spend my time watching other anime series instead.

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• August 24, 2008 at 4:37 pmJustinStrife

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  http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/anime/snapshot20080823155102.jpg

  To all the Ranka shippers, this is why your Queen is not going to win the shipping war. For all your comments about how content Alto is around Ranka, he doesn’t look at her like this. Even the preview picture of Alto playing with his 10000th paper airplane while Ranka is next to him, notice he’s looking off in the distance, and not at her. While she’s blushing and all school girl crush looking at him, he’s not looking at her. I bet one of my paychecks, that he’s thinking of Sheryl at some point during that scene.

  We’ve got 5 episodes left in this show, the triangle will be resolved before the last episode, and Ranka has ZERO relationship development with Alto since episode 13. She still knows nothing about him, and she will continue to know nothing about him. She’s in love with the idea of Alto loving her. Not in love with Alto and being a part of his life.

  To quote you kids, Brera x Ranka ending confirmed.

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• August 24, 2008 at 6:20 pmllie

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  I love this series!

  Naze, we had Michael = Lockon in Macross F? Wrong!!!!!
  So Ranka can control Vajra by her emotion. She has power like Sarah Nome does. Maybe, Ranka is Sarah’s reincarnation, who knows!!!! I doubt that Ranshe will put her own daughter to be an experiment against Vajra. The only way Ranka can use her power is when she regains her childhood memories 10/11 year ago.

  About AltoXRanka, I will say that they………..from the beginning of this series??? Well…nevermind!
  Did we have a whole conversation AltoXSheryl on the rooftop…or not? I am so curious, this end of this episode, Sheryl cried for herself or for whom?…..Bingo, she is a professional singer, so she put her emotion in her song.
  For me, Sheryl, Alto, and Ranka characters were strong in this episode.

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• August 24, 2008 at 8:28 pmsibnova

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  LOCK ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wait sorry I mean Michelllllllllllllllllllllll nah too late gundam 00 already did this to me. If anyone dies it will be Ranka at the end like Nia did in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as long as Klan doesn’t die this show can go on forever. has anyone else seen the amount of C74 Dojins that she is in she is in more than either of the two other girls.

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• August 24, 2008 at 10:51 pmJustinStrife

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  That’s because Klan Klan has loli and woman features in one package!

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• August 24, 2008 at 11:07 pmfd

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  best eipsode ever!!

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• August 25, 2008 at 12:16 amani_d

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  @justinstrife
  Well your bringing up the kind shot of Alto to Sheryl is definitely more objective than stating an ideal opinion. However…nope justinstrife. This isn’t enough to beat the sparkly sparkle formed in Alto’s eyes when Ranka told him she appreciates him. ^__~

  http://randomc.net/image/Macross/Macross%20Frontier%20-%2013%20-%20Large%2009.jpg

  The fact that Ranka and Alto never went anywhere even if they were all lovey dovey in ep 12-14 was because none of them was aware that the reason that they were blushing around each other, smiling around each other, flying happily, sneaking glances at each other, laughing while blushing, screaming each other’s names, having flashbacks of each other, sparkly eyes (lol) “might” be because they have feelings for each other. Was the reason why they acted like this ever concluded? Nope, it wasn’t. That’s why it’s more suspicious. As far as I can tell, after 14, the two acted like friends again now that they’re out of crisis. They never went anywhere. This Galia arc which lasted from 12-14 episodes wasn’t put in the story just to be called “out of place”. I’m pretty sure once a ‘similar crisis’ occur again, it’ll resurface again.

  I think Michael’s last words to Alto which is “if you really love someone, would you risk your life for her?” might just cure Alto’s density.

  Anyway, I’m ready to let this episode discussion rest. ^^ See you next deculture.

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• August 25, 2008 at 12:44 amFantomOmega

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  ~SIGH~ that’s the LAST STRAW!
  Evey episode all I hear is Ranka whining, whimpering and dear GOD why oh WHY doesn’t she toughen up a bit!? I mean look, the Frontier is constantly under attack, people are “dieing” everywhere and the survivors are facing “their” issues, why cant she? Anyway I Just LOVED the stupid look on her face when she said ‘no way!’ priceless. always jump to conclusions and cause indirect chaos! the whole “concept” of “love” goes WAY over that little girl’s head, I’m sure a lot of people will try to justify that the damage was not Rank’s fault BUT LOOK! even when her best friend and supporter was injured and was left with Sheryl all she did was ‘space out’ as Alto pointed out NOT because of the death and carnage around OR that fact that her close friend may be dead but because her crush (for I can not believe her misguided feelings after the whole hold hand and think of her “brother” scene as anything near actual LOVE) may hug someone, sure its Sheryl that’s understandable at least confront them to be sure what their relationship really is, not run away squealing like a pig that got thrown onto a electric fence.

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• August 25, 2008 at 1:48 amJustinStrife

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  Hey ani_d, how long ago was this? You’re grasping at something that was 6-8 episodes ago. We’re now in episode 20, which is where I got the picture I showed you. Things change. Ranka hasn’t. Everyone else.

  Doesn’t look good for your side.

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• August 25, 2008 at 2:23 amAXC

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  @fd “best eipsode ever!!”

  what do you mean best episode?! Mikhail just DIED!

  next episose……ranka will go bye bye alto next episode. klan will follow Mikhail. elmo will be sheryl’s manager. i can see this happening already.

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• August 25, 2008 at 2:39 amBlimey

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  Yeah Michael’s dead. What can we do? Kawamori was prolly going like this to Yoshino,

  Kawamori: Yoshino my man, I want you to make Ranka an immature wench in 20 to piss off everyone
  Yoshino: Yes sir army!
  Kawamori: Then Yoshino my man, I want you to make Ranka into an epic GAR in 21-25 to piss off everyone for eating their pissed off words from episode 20
  Yoshino: Yes sir army!
  Kawamori: Oh & don’t forget to make the situation harsh on ranka so that people will sympathize. And make sure the legend of zero director gets another cameo. Don’t let the Vajra kill him.
  Yoshino: Yes sir army!
  Kawamori: kk. I’m off to read blogs now.

  Epic!

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• August 25, 2008 at 3:59 amJustinStrife

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  Ranka could never be GAR. In order to go the path you put up Blimey, would be the most OOC you could possibly imagine for her. There would be no believability AT ALL to go that route. I’d like to think that Kawamori is a better director than that.

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• August 25, 2008 at 4:32 amNotWestloNoReally

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  “The fact that Ranka and Alto never went anywhere even if they were all lovey dovey in ep 12-14 was because none of them was aware that the reason that they were….. screaming each other’s names ……..“might” be because they have feelings for each other.”

  They screamed each others names because Ranka was getting kidnapped you dumb shuck, it’s not like Alto hasn’t screamed out for Luca, Sheryl and Michael throughout this series. Oh wait, wow it just hit me! This isn’t a triangle…. it’s a harem show! Alto with Sheryl, Ranka & Luca + Michael’s ghost ending confirmed. I can’t wait for the wacky hijinks of Alto and his harem in season 2 XD

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• August 25, 2008 at 8:31 ammike_s_6

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  Here’s my POV:

  If Ranka knew that her emotions would summon the Vajra instead of pacify them, I suppose she wouldn’t have sang at all. But, on that same account, her inability to get over her apparently broken heart in lieu of her love for everyone on Frontier, knowing that her song has the capacity to save everyone, gains her the demerits. Big ones.

  I’ll also defend Ranka for the part where she remembered Brera while holding Alto’s hand – she wasn’t being naive of the situation. She had amnesia, and there are just some events that remind her of her past, and that was one of it.

  Sheryl, on the other hand, gains again and again, once by asking Alto to leave her and try to stop the Vajra to save everyone. She was not just selfless for her own safety, she not just helped a girl who supports her career rival, she most of all, got the big picture. “Save a few people, or save a lot?”

  Second, acknowledging the fact that Ranka has the power to stop the Vajra and she doesn’t, no matter how much she disliked the idea. Accepting a fact when it hurts is hard.

  Third, when she sang. There was nothing more she could do, and instead of letting people diss Ranka and the military, she distracted them by entertaining them with her voice.

  I’ll give Sheryl a minus point for slapping Ranka. I dunno I just don’t like it :P

  On the next episode, I guess using the amp, Ranka sings and pacifies the Vajra. The previews look peaceful, so I guess at one point, the hostilities have ended.

  Do you guys think that Ranka will confess to Alto? I wonder how he’ll react to that. In the preview with Alto and the paper plane, it looks like Alto cleared up with Ranka why he was hugging Sheryl, so Ranka is happy again :P

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• August 25, 2008 at 12:21 pmJustinStrife

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  Or he hasn’t told her yet, and Ranka is still in love love mode, not realizing her impending rejection. He’s not exactly looking at her in the preview shot.

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• August 26, 2008 at 5:58 amDownWithSherylFans

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  Forget about Magnus and Westlo, those guys are small fry, us Ranka fans have 2 far worse fans to deal with!!! Those 2 being Nakamura Yuichi and Yoko Kanno!!! Nakamura Yuichi wouldn’t shut up about Sheryl in his interview and Yoko Kanno is chanting Sheryl sama during the making of the music!!!

  Now these are fanboys!!!!

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• August 26, 2008 at 7:20 ammike_s_6

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  But Kanno is a girl, thus a fangirl :D Her choice of chant is just appropriate, “Sheryl-SAMA!!!” fits the “Queen Sheryl!!!” chants the people over the internet are using :P

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• August 26, 2008 at 5:18 pmveester

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  i have a feeling nanase is done for soon :(

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• August 26, 2008 at 10:42 pmI_laugh_at_joo

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  @DownWithSherylFans- Lykeee omggg! I luuuurve MagnusxWestlo haters, so you’re my bestfriend! Haven’t you heard? Ranka is the director’s girl. Yuuichi and Yoko Kanno fail in front of their god, KAWAMORI! Us Ranka fanz pwned Sheryl fanz on day one, oh wait, even BEFORE that, ne? lmao!!!

  Psst Sheryl fanz. Check out Anata no Oto’s lyrics fufufufu….RankaXAlto end confirmed.

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• August 27, 2008 at 1:54 amJustinStrife

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  Who stole Alto’s first kiss, and did it outside of a movie scene? That’s right. The Queen Sheryl. Who got Alto to return home when he vowed never to do so again? That’s right. The Queen Sheryl. Who has Alto opened up his past to, and deepest thoughts(well as deep as Alto gets)? That’s right. The Queen Sheryl.

  Still waiting for little sister Ranka to actually do something with Alto…

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• August 27, 2008 at 9:58 amWestlo

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  *looks at episode 23 spoiler*

  *Puffs cigar*

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• August 27, 2008 at 11:01 amhahahah

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  RIP sheryl. Advanced.

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• August 27, 2008 at 2:25 pmKei

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  @ Westlo

  *looks at episode 23 spoiler*

  *Puffs cigar*

  Well, why don’t you talk about the picture where you can see a painful face of Sheryl ? This is a part of the spoilers too … :) All people here, be careful with what Westlo is saying, he’s just telling things but not all. He already know this picture is not a good sign for an AltoxSheryl end so he doesn’t want to talk about it.

  It can’t be about her disease because she already know she’s dying and is living with that since episode 18.
  The only reason I see is that she knows Alto doesn’t love her but he loves Ranka …
  Alto will confesses to Ranka at the end it seems!
  ” puffs cigar ” :)

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• August 27, 2008 at 4:06 pmshadowblack

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  Even without reading any spoilers and seeing any pictures I get the feeling that in the next ep we’ll get some pretty big clues about who Alto will end up with (IF he ends up with anyone, that is).

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• August 27, 2008 at 8:00 pmKei

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  @shadowblack

  This is that, but sheryl’s fan will come and say ” now you saw it ? Ranka loves him but he doesn’t like her. You better wait for the 23 when Alto will cook for her, just like a couple”.
  Even if something happen in this episode they are just waiting the 23 to say Sheryl and alto spended time together, just like a newly couple .
  All will happen at the end. Alto confessing to Ranka, Ranka leaving, all..
  So let’s give them the little ” hopes and dream” staying at least :)

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• August 27, 2008 at 8:50 pmhohohoh

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  @Kei, No really. All ya have to do is look up Anata no Oto’s lyrics and you’ll know Ranka will be smiling from ear to ear at the end. They’ll use that song the way they did Neko nikki. Watch.

  “Love goes dokun dokun dokun!” XDXDDD

  ep 23.

  Show Spoiler ▼

  Alto cooking for Sheryl? He’s going to cook her pineapple salad!! Oh noez

  RIP Sheryl. Advanced.

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• August 27, 2008 at 9:30 pmdarkplataform

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  ALL IS OVER NOW. CONTRATULATIONS FOR ALL SHERYL AND RANKA FANS.

  Latest entry of Sheryl’s Blog:

  I came with the intention of experiencing interesting things, but it seems I still have much to learn.

  The new me within, who is willing to create something with another person. This sensation is miraculous. It’s enlightening.

  Greetings myself.
  and thank you to you

  so then,

  listen to our song~

  truly, this kind of service doesn’t happen very often

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• August 28, 2008 at 12:08 amSepiraph

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  Epic … the series is nearing its end… I don’t want it to end so soon! :(

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• August 28, 2008 at 3:45 amshadowblack

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  @Kei
  Would you mind NOT putting words in my mouth? All I said was:
  “Even without reading any spoilers and seeing any pictures I get the feeling that in the next ep we’ll get some pretty big clues about who Alto will end up with (IF he ends up with anyone, that is).”

  I never said we’ll be getting clues for a RankaxAlto ending. Yes, that might be what happens (especially since Alto and Ranka will be spending some time together in the ep), but it might just as easily be clues for AltoxSheryl ending – if the entire time he’s with Ranka Alto acts as if she is his little sister/precious friend…

  Also let’s not forget that previews are highly unreliable – the preview for ep 19 made ti look like Alto and Sheryl would finally get to spend some time together and talk, but in reality they barely talked (or rather, all they did was argue for a bit before Alto left).

  I understand that you’re a Ranka fan, but let’s not jump to conclusions, shall we?

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• August 28, 2008 at 3:49 amWestlo

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  @ Kei

  “Well, why don’t you talk about the picture where you can see a painful face of Sheryl ? This is a part of the spoilers too …”

  No that are not a part of the spoilers, that is a RUMOR, nothing else nothing more. Even if they come from someone who has a good track record that doesn’t make them infallible. Case in point Kresphy’s spoilers from a few weeks ago have already proven wrong with the airing of episode 20 and his track record before that was perfect.

  “All people here, be careful with what Westlo is saying, he’s just telling things but not all”

  I like how you twist me mentioning something that is proven and not mentioning a rumor of a pic noone has even seen or can prove exists as something bad from me.

  “He already know this picture is not a good sign for an AltoxSheryl end so he doesn’t want to talk about it.”

  Believe it or not if this picture was true it might not have anything to do with the triangle *gasp* Yes it’s true there’s more to this show than the triangle! She could be telling Alto she’s dying, Galaxy could reveal their hand etc.

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• August 28, 2008 at 3:54 amWestlo

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  Lol @ Anata no Oto being a factor, lmao. You might want to pin your hopes on Azure Ether instead guys *whistles* Also the second half of Innocent Green from the OST hasn’t been used yet… the first half was played at the end of the date between Sheryl and Alto in episode 5, I expect the episode where the second half is played will cause many tears from Ranka fans XD

  “Also let’s not forget that previews are highly unreliable – the preview for ep 19 made ti look like Alto and Sheryl would finally get to spend some time together and talk, but in reality they barely talked (or rather, all they did was argue for a bit before Alto left).”

  That conversation while short and full of anger was actually rather telling, I lol’d at Ranka fans dismissing it.

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• August 28, 2008 at 9:19 amWestlo

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  Oh btw Kei is this the pic you were talking about?

  http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4659/episode23spoilertr0.jpg

  That’s from episode 10…. when Sheryl sees Ranka scamper off after she finds out that she knows nothing about Alto.

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• August 28, 2008 at 3:03 pmKei

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  @Westlo …

  Well,this episode 21 was WOW !! Alto when he sreams RANKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA looked so desperate…. Now he will rushing to look for her in episode 23.
  Next to that, a Alto cooking for Sheryl is really …funny :)

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• August 28, 2008 at 9:57 pmBobo

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  I wish the fansubbers didn’t include spoilers in the comments of their uploaded torrents. :-(

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• August 30, 2008 at 3:51 amArchangel

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  I think Alto and Sheryl will pair up.
  While on the rooftop, I interpreted Michael’s and Kuran’s efforts as an attempt to pair them up. What does this mean? Even the character’s themselves see Alto & Sheryl a more likely pairing and not a Ranka – Alto combo.

  Besides, Sheryl and Alto have more in common. They are both professional entertainers and they are more mature and a bit more sophisticated than like young Ranka-chan.

  I don’t think Ranka loves Alto. I think she’s trying to fill an emotional void (lack of memories of family). Once she gets her memories back, she’ll realize that she does not love Alto and let him go. She will then be so bug alien she’ll have healing powers and save her favorite singer: Sheryl. Granting them a happy ending.

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• October 17, 2008 at 6:12 amTravis

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  I LOVE SHERLY shes the best, why did michael die wth, hais ive actually finished everything, just wanna see how people comment on michael’s death.
  Any animes like macross to intro?

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• October 26, 2008 at 12:16 amillusion

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  Well, FUCK. Haven’t yelled at my TV for a while. I just think the neighbors heard something along the lines of: “NOOOOO, MICHEL, FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!”. Followed by some manly tears and cup of RAAAAGE.

  poor Klan ;_;
  If this doesn’t end in AltoXSheryl, so help me god.

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