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Summary:

As the new Frontier President, Leon receives a report from the Environmental Sustainability Agency saying that the Macross Frontier has only three more months in the current wartime regulations mode. It’ll be the end for them if they don’t find a solution in that timeframe. Leon thinks that that should be enough, and the problem for him right now is finding a replacement for Ranka. He sees opportunity in all this, and he decides to call up Richard Birla. Alto and Luca meanwhile are out testing out new MDE warheads and new VF-171EX Valkyries with the military. Luca wishes that these weapons had been completed earlier, and that prompts Alto to inquire how Nanase is doing. Luca reveals that she still hasn’t woken up, but he actually feels that it’s okay like this for the time being so that she doesn’t have to find out about Ranka betraying them. In response, Alto suggests that the solution is to bring Ranka back before Nanase wakes up. Sometime later, Kuran and Alto run into each other, and she opens up about her regret of not being more honest with Mikhail sooner. She doesn’t want Alto and Sheryl to become like them, so she tells Alto about Sheryl’s condition.

During all this time, Sheryl has started singing again under the care of Elmo, and the feeling of her songs has changed. The scientists working with Luca detect something in the Fold waveform of her music and report it to Leon, so Sheryl gets summoned to his office. Luca explains to her that she’s been a carrier of the V-type infection since she contracted the disease ten years ago, and it is treatable in its early stages with a serum made from Vajra. Past that time period though, the bacteria get into the victim’s brain and start to create a certain type of toxin, and nothing more can be done for the infected. However, in this case, Sheryl’s voice lets out a small Fold wave, much like Ranka’s voice did. It’s not stronger than Ranka’s, but Luca theorizes that the Fold Quartz in her earring amplifies things, and he thinks Sheryl can do what Ranka did. Leon concludes their meeting by asking Sheryl to sing for the sake of humanity. With this on her mind, Sheryl returns to the Saotome house to find Alto waiting for her, and she collapses at the door.

Cathy and Ozma meanwhile have returned to the Macross Quarter after being found by Bobby, and they tell everyone of the truth about Howard Glass’s death. Ozma’s return allows Canaria to finally give him the letter that Ranka left him, and from it, Ozma realizes that Ranka has now chosen her own path. Since most of the crew is gathered together, Captain Jeffrey Wilder uses the chance to tell them that he had heard from Richard Birla that the S.M.S would be disbanded and then reincorporated into the New United Nations Spacey. He feels that they also have to decide their own future now, and after some deliberation, Cathy sends out a confidential message to the other members of the crew. Alto is one of the people who receives the message, but before he can read it, he hears Sheryl waking up in her room. Sheryl knows that she had said she wouldn’t sing anymore, but she feels that Alto made her realize that that is all she has. She tries to act like her normal self, but Alto doesn’t want her to continue, and this causes her to figure out that he knows. Alto tells her that she doesn’t have to sing, however Sheryl refuses because she feels that that’s the only proof she’s alive. Sheryl starts crying at this point, so Alto hugs her, and when she admits to being scared and lonely, he declares that he’ll stay at her side if she sings. In Alto’s arms, Sheryl asks him to give her courage.

Sometime later, Leon gives a rousing speech about the need to destroy the Vajra, all while he sends his men to execute Grace. By this point, most of the Macross Quarter crew have come back to the ship because of Cathy’s message, and as they prepare to leave the Frontier, Jeffery declares that they are now pirates instead of soldiers and that this ship is their first catch. Kuran is one of those who stayed behind, but she salutes the ship as it launches past her. When they realize what’s happening, Leon and the Frontier military command send a squad of Valkyries in pursuit, and included in this group are Alto and Luca. To counter them, Ozma launches in his Valkyrie, and he challenges his former allies to stop them. He almost takes out Luca with a volley of missiles, but Alto saves Luca and questions why Ozma is doing this. In response, Ozma notes that Alto is incapable of adapting to changing circumstances before explaining that this is the best way for him to protect the women important to him. Alto doesn’t think that this is something an adult should say, so Ozma declares that he’s not an adult – he’s a man. Ozma then questions back what Alto’s wings are for, and the two manage to damage each other’s Valkyries as they fly past each other. The Macross Frontier is now ready to do a Fold jump, so Ozma returns to the ship, but he before he departs, he tells Alto that both he and Ranka have chosen their own path. The question is where Alto is headed.

Meanwhile, far, far away, Ranka and Brera reach Ai-kun’s homeworld. The collective inside Grace is aware of this, and Grace – after taking out everyone sent to kill her – suits up to board her own Valkyrie. She’s ready to go to the planet where the true queen of the Vajra lives, and she calls it their treasure island.

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Well geez, I think they recaptured a lot of the magic from the original first episode by having Sheryl singing Northern Cross to go along with the Valkyrie battle. That was an awesome scene, and it even gave me a new appreciation for the song. The frustrating thing is that Alto and Luca are on the wrong side of things (Leon’s side), and at least for that battle, Alto was his usual indecisive self. I can understand that he’s staying behind because of his promise to Sheryl (especially since it’s implied that they kissed again or even did something more than that), but I don’t know why he didn’t just tell that to Ozma. Heck, what Ozma said about doing the best thing to protect the women important to him applies to Alto as well. In any case, I hope Alto will take to heart all the stuff about choosing his own path and stick with Sheryl even after Ranka inevitably returns. I suspect at least part of the reason Kuran isn’t with the Macross Quarter was so that she could continue to serve as a sort of mentor to Alto about matters of life and love, and maybe she’ll point him in the right direction again.

As for Ranka and Brera, they’ve have arrived on a planet which looks like Earth except it has three moons and a white ring around it. We’re probably going to hear more about the Protoculture next week, and maybe everything concerning Grace and the Vajra will make more sense. Grace certainly seems pleased about all this at the end of this episode, and the Valkyrie she looks ready to pilot probably means that she’ll be involved in at least one space battle. I currently still don’t hate her nearly as much as I do Leon, probably because she’s so far been portrayed as more mysterious compared to Leon’s outright villainy. That’s likely to change since she’ll have to make her move soon now that there’s only three episodes left.

September 4, 2008 at 10:31 pm
399 comments »
  • September 7, 2008 at 11:22 amArchangel

    @diva
    Actually, you’re the joke. All of your wishful ramblings and inconsistencies haven’t earned you any respect on here.

    Do you think stating you’re a teenager strengthens your argument and grants you the option of being as ass? Bah. You’re just pathetic.

    What you fail to realize (again) is that’s just how your life is. Pathetic.

    That’s right, cry yourself to sleep. Boo-hoo. No friends, no family. Boo-hoo.

    Now that’s the end of the discussion.

  • September 7, 2008 at 11:27 amSherry

    @diva

    And isn’t Sheryl dying and needing strength? Why is Kawamori making it look like Alto’s choice to stay with Sheryl was a bad choice because Alto is with the bad guys right now?

    Alto do not know that Leon committed murder and is a traitor, so he honestly did not understand why Ozma and the rest of the SMS detached themselves and became ‘pirates’ at a time Frontier is in crisis. So in Alto’s POV, there is no such thing as him being ‘with the bad guys’.
    But what you’re actually saying is that he would have blindly followed the SMS, even while knowing nothing, if not for Sheryl? This is not a sure thing, only a possibility at most.
    Anyway, leaving the ‘bad guys’ and leaving Sheryl got nothing much to do with each other really: Sheryl believes that she is singing for the people of Frontier, which she really is doing since Leon, even as a bad guy, still works hard to protect Frontier: he wanted power, to become the President, he makes *too many* sacrifices and should burn in Hell for all he did, but even like that he doesn’t wish to destroy the whole colony!
    Finally, I do not believe Alto is necessarily making a bad choice: someone had to stay behind to protect Frontier and the thousands of people in there.
    Does all the 3/10 of SMS members who stayed in Frontier got a dying Sheryl at home? Are they ‘evil’, are they in ‘the dark side’, are they ‘with the bad guys’ or are they ‘wrong’ for not leaving? I do not believe so. Each one followed his own path.

  • September 7, 2008 at 11:34 amSherry

    Even if it’s painful, even if it’s hard, even if it hurts, this is the decision they took for themselves, just like Ranka who said “I’m so happy…but it hurts. That’s just how I feel now.” and she kept on moving forward, toward Ai-kun’s home planet, with a smile.

  • September 7, 2008 at 11:51 amBobzorXD

    WOW this is like an extended anime movie, from the music to the art and story! I get blown away every single time i watch an episode. Without question the best anime of 2008.

  • September 7, 2008 at 12:46 pmArchangel

    @Sherry
    “I’m so happy…but it hurts. That’s just how I feel now.” and she kept on moving forward, toward Ai-kun’s home planet, with a smile.

    Good point

  • September 7, 2008 at 3:25 pmmusouka

    @yuKime:
    A pledge is not the same as a love confession, that’s absolutely true. But at the same time, you’re downplaying the importance of that scene and Alto’s reaction to her. For one thing, you think Alto promised to stay with her because she said she was scared? That’s an incorrect assumption.

    He said it before she ever mentioned being frightened, and his pledge was what made her admit her fear. It wasn’t “I’m scared –> I’ll be here” it was “I’ll be here –> [walls break] –> I’m scared”.

    You keep on saying he “did support Ranka”, but you don’t bring up a single scene to prove it. Here, I’ll do your work for you. He supported Ranka in episode 21 when he told her she didn’t have to act as bait. The difference between that scene and Sheryl’s scene is the lack of understanding on Alto’s part. Alto understood and acknowledged Sheryl’s desperate need to do something in the face of her death. Ranka was in a lot of pain at that point and Alto didn’t even notice. Brera was the one that gave her the words she wanted to hear and a shoulder to cry on, not Alto.

    Ranka is a part of Alto’s suffering, but even now he doesn’t understand her. I think there are unresolved issues with both Sheryl and Ranka as far as Alto goes. He is going to have to understand Ranka’s perspective in these upcoming episodes. He’s going to have to figure out exactly how he feels about Sheryl. But, realizing he’s misunderstood Ranka doesn’t mean he’s going to return her love. Even if he chooses to go to her, it doesn’t mean a thing in the romance department if he’s decided he wants Sheryl to “be his home”. I don’t think it’s likely, but there’s always the possibility that he’ll decide Sheryl was a “spur of the moment” thing.

    I doubt it, though.

    If you look at how the episode is set up, you have Klan as an adviser on one side, and Ozma as an adviser on the other. Klan’s advice to Alto is coached in specifically explicit romantic terms. She makes a parallel between Sheryl and Alto and herself and Michel. Ozma, on the other hand, is more generally about Alto’s direction. He parallels Ranka and himself as people that have looked at everything and decided their own path, where Alto is still being tossed around by circumstances–but then he also tells Alto he’s improved.

    Alto’s almost there. He just has a little bit more to go.

  • September 7, 2008 at 3:38 pmllie

    I also did not see Alto kissed Sheryl!!! Maybe Yasaburo kissed Sheryl…..like they did in ep.18!

  • September 7, 2008 at 4:03 pmhaninozuka

    @Illie
    Maybe Yasaburo kissed Sheryl…..like they did in ep.18!

    What in the world are you talking about? What kind of imaginary Yasuboro scene are you recalling? ^^; That never happened at all.

    And Yasuboro kissing Sheryl is as likely to happen as Ranka kissing Leon. Or even Bilrer.

  • September 7, 2008 at 4:19 pmllie

    @haninozuka
    you didn’t get what i mean, do you?*smile* It’s ok!
    Why Yasaburo can’t kiss Sheryl? he is also Sheryl fan and 24 hours with Sheryl in Satome’s Mansion. Never happened??

  • September 7, 2008 at 4:42 pmhaninozuka

    @Illie

    It would be completely illogical for Yasuboro to kiss Sheryl, simply because there is no romantic inclination between the two of them at all. And since when was it ever stated he’s a Sheryl fan? :/

    So, if going by your logic, because Ranka and Brera are together 24 hours in his VF-27 now, therefore we can say that something could happened between them too? ^_^

    Alto kissing Sheryl is a more likely scenario than the ones you’ve imagined.

  • September 7, 2008 at 4:50 pmllie

    @haninozuka
    Ok then *peace*

  • September 7, 2008 at 4:58 pmJustinStrife

    Wow… People are still in denial about Alto kissing Sheryl?

    The world is full of virgin otaku’s…

  • September 7, 2008 at 5:24 pmren

    lol to the virgin otakus

    Though i’ve pretty much supported the Sheryl side of things since the start, I gotta say the way it was done in this ep has some bad omens (maybe its because it feels to rushed) Its great to see Sheryl has obvious matured way beyond Ranka in terms of her feelings and outlook on life, but Alto looks like he just might stick around for the pity (2-timing indecisive bastard). If there staff wants to really turn this series into a great end they really need to kick up Alto’s decisiveness a notch fast, his whining is getting old.

    Please please please don’t tell me Sheryl will let herself be used by Leon..as villains go he undeniably annoys the hell out of me (the hair is the most awful thing ever)

  • September 7, 2008 at 6:45 pmJack

    Subtle hints much? >_>

    Anyone notice where Alto’s line of sight were going right after Sheryl said that singing is the only thing she has to prove that she existed and right before she asked Alto to give her courage?

    It was apparent that he was looking way too intensely between her thighs.

  • September 7, 2008 at 7:36 pmNoracalo

    @nezumibento

    Yes, they didn’t find a cure, but at least they gave us and Sheryl a hope that may be able to be a cure in her current state. Maybe not, we don’t know, but at least THERE is a small chance to survive. There is a big diference between “you are going to die” and “In your current status, we don’t know” (there is a chance!! could be small, but there is one at least).

    Also Sheryl make a choise to help all people in Frontier. Everyone need her to sing to keep a small light of hope. She is signing for everyone, and she will keep doing even if she die in the middle of the song. That is the Sheryl we all know. Sheryl isn’t helping Leon to fullfill his desieres of power (And remember that she doesn’t knows the move Leon did).

    I don’t think Alto know about Leon either. Not even Luca may know. They also won’t believe it in the current status… the pirates are telling us that our current president is a bastart, yeah right… Didn’t alto asked Ozma Why they were deserting and he replayed “I don’t want to work with a president like him” (he told something about that, don’t remember exact words.) insted of “he killed the president”. He didn’t say it because Alto would not believe it.

    And also, even tho Leon is a bastard, there is a lot of people on the middle, depending on him now. He can be a bastard, but he also don’t want to destroy Frontier. He need the people so he can have power. They got new ammunition that work on Vajra, they are going to chase the Vajra for survive. Someone has to do it, and that is the rol that Alto, Luca and Klan has now.

    And at least, if Alto has to take a path and knowing he want to be able to fly in a real sky, then the normal choise for him is to stay with Frontier, support it till they get into a planted they are looking for. Also he can stay with Sheryl and support her. If for some reason this path make it to catch up with Ranka (and it will most probably) only then Alto will make a Choise. I have a feeling the next ep we will see some grown up on Alto. I can bet on it.

  • September 7, 2008 at 8:44 pmmaxnmike

    There’s something the translation brings up: why do we assume that Alto HAD a choice of joining SMS’s escape? Ozma point blanks says” “You’re always so stubborn. That’s why you’re not part of this!” That could be read as “We knew you would get your panties in a bunch over this move, Princess, so we didn’t invite you. Instead, we told you we were going and that was that.” The SMS crew is COMMITTED–and fear of commitment is the whole point of Alto. He can’t decide to be a pilot or an actor. He can’t decide which girl to pick. He can’t even decide to cut his hair and start looking like a guy. Ozma pretty much calls Alto a “slacker” to his face; and he KNOWS if Alto was given a choice, he would either dither or make an impulsive, uncommitted choice. So no, I don’t think they invited him at all,because they don’t see him as committed to doing the right thing as they are.

  • September 7, 2008 at 8:50 pmmaxnmike

    Just 4 the heck of it, I asked my wife and sister what THEY thought about the whole MF triangle. Their unanimous take: “Ranka is a teenage girl with a crush, while Sheryl is an adult woman in love. The problem is that Alto can”t tell the difference; but men often can’t.”

    On the flip side, BOTH of them prefer Ozma anyway (LOL).

  • September 7, 2008 at 9:11 pmhoneyblu

    i finally get what people meant when they said alto’s jacket was off when he was checking his msgs

    gawd that just raised a whole bunch of questions in my head

    THE STAFF IS MESSING WITH US ALL!!!

  • September 7, 2008 at 11:15 pmmike_s_6

    If Alto’s undershirt was untucked and his hair was down, that’d have been the dead give-away. But just the jacket? That’s the staff playing with us.

    Question, have we seen Alto wear his jacket this way before? Or anyone else in SMS?

  • September 8, 2008 at 12:10 amyuKime

    @diva

    “Naw, I don’t think Alto forgot the pledge, the story just DIDN’T care about it so they skipped it AHAHAH The same when Alto just left Sheryl in Galia 4.”

    That’s the point. I don’t care if it was Alto or the staff or Kawamori who forgot the pledge but it was not shown, meaning it wasn’t emphasized in the story hence not really needed to move the plot or the character’s development. It’s just so obvious that some Alto x Sheryl moments are added but then forgotten to be followed through for more development. That’s why I didn’t fall in love with it unlike A x R moments.

    I still anticipate 23rd episode. The preview statement saying Alto’s final resolution just seems promising! I can’t wait for Thursday~

    @David_Letterman
    Oh, it won’t be that retarded if you see ep25 and Ranka does sing Anata no Oto. =)

    @Sherry
    Wow… Someone who actually defends Leon’s greed for power… Anyway, I hope your speech about Alto not knowing he is working for a bad guy also means you agree that it ISN’T Ranka’s fault that she indirectly killed people because she sang and made those Vajras go haywire. You are a Sheryl fan so I want your opinion on this one…. And if you are going to blame Ranka (that is a big IF), then I’ll be saying you’re biased.

    And about Alto making a bad choice, the point is he didn’t seem to believe in his own choice fully. Ozma seems to think that Alto is just letting the flow, circumstances and situations carry him wherever, not making any choice himself. That’s why Ozma is questioning him and that’s why Alto is frustrated in the end.

  • September 8, 2008 at 1:01 amJustinStrife

    Yukimie: Alto isn’t frustrated about not following Ranka and SMS though. He’s going with the flow in another situation entirely. Ozma doesn’t know what’s going on with Alto’s life at all right now. He has no room to talk.

  • September 8, 2008 at 1:21 amricaryx

    Personally, I see him going back to Ranka later after that confrontation with Ozma. Alto is really just flowing along. Be it with the current situation, be it his own emotions. He’s just flowing along, which explains why Ozma’s words got to him so bad.

  • September 8, 2008 at 1:54 amyuKime

    @musuoka
    No I’m not downplaying Alto’s words that he’d stay for Sheryl but I’m saying your making such a BIG deal out of it. Whether he said it before OR after Sheryl admitted that she’s scared has nothing to do with it BECAUSE Alto KNOWS that Sheryl IS dying. That fact alone can help Alto tell what pain Sheryl is going through. And to ease that pain, Alto told her that she’s not alone in it. But him saying that doesn’t necessarily mean a confession that’s why I’m saying Alto x Ranka ending is still possible. Alto experiencing lots of loss and even seeing how her mother slowly died (due to her weak body) tells us that Alto understands Sheryl and implies that he knows how to handle the situation NOW, thus he decided to stay by Sheryl’s side to support her in her down moment.

    “You keep on saying he “did support Ranka”, but you don’t bring up a single scene to prove it.”

    Because if you watched every each Macross F episode and see how Ranka climbed stardom and till she became the songstress of hope, Alto was always there to help her out with advices AND protecting her. It’s obvious so I thought I’d spare you the lecture. But since you insist, there you go. And yes, he supported Ranka in episode 21 when he defended her from Luca’s attempt to use her as bait but seeing as Ranka herself wanted to be a bait, he just resorted to ACCEPTING her choice AND promising her that he’ll make sure no Vajra comes close and to make the escape a success too. The difference between that scene and Sheryl’s scene is the SITUATION itself. Alto CANNOT defend Ranka (like Brera did saying it’s okay for her not to sing) BECAUSE he knew too that they had no choice but to use Ranka to PROTECT Frontier. It’s not lack of understanding in this case but rather the lack of GUTS of Alto to defend what he believes in and risk a big consequence to save Ranka. Brera chose Ranka over Frontier’s safety while Alto was torn between saving Frontier AND protecting Ranka. Alto understood Ranka in this situation (see his frustrated look when he heard Ranka crying on Brera’s arms means he knew Ranka was hurting) but didn’t have the courage to protect her the way Brera did. Alto understood and acknowledged Sheryl’s desperate need to do something in the face of her death BECAUSE there was nothing tearing him from understanding her pain. There was no situation to choose from but ONLY the fact that Sheryl is DYING. What is there not to understand and what is there for Alto to choose from? It’s either save Sheryl or ignore Sheryl, of course he’d save her since he cares for her. But in Ranka’s case, it was save Ranka OR save Frontier. See the difference?

    Ranka is a part of Alto’s suffering, but even now he doesn’t understand her. The only thing he didn’t understand about Ranka is her choice to go to Vajraland, seeing as he thinks Vajra are the enemy, period.

    But yes, I definitely agree that there are unresolved issues with both Sheryl and Ranka as far as Alto goes because he is not choosing and always taking things as it comes by. I hope he does realize and understand Ranka’s decision in ep23 and figure out his feelings for both girls. Realizing he’s misunderstood Ranka sure doesn’t mean he’s going to return her love BUT IF he realizes he WANTED to be by Ranka’s side the most, then that’s a different story. We’ll just see how he decides in ep23. In regards to Sheryl, Alto may also realize he DOES want to stay with Sheryl whole-heartedly, but if they do that, I hope they show it with much more determination and resolve from Alto to make it convincing. Even if he does save Ranka, it doesn’t necessarily mean love but I’m hoping there will be love involved. We’ll see…

    “If you look at how the episode is set up, you have Klan as an adviser on one side, and Ozma as an adviser on the other. Klan’s advice to Alto is coached in specifically explicit romantic terms. She makes a parallel between Sheryl and Alto and herself and Michel. Ozma, on the other hand, is more generally about Alto’s direction. He parallels Ranka and himself as people that have looked at everything and decided their own path, where Alto is still being tossed around by circumstances–but then he also tells Alto he’s improved.”

    I agree. Indeed, Klan’s talk is more directly related to Sheryl while Ozma’s is more on Alto’s resolve AS a person, so it doesn’t necessarily bring in Ranka. But seeing as Ozma is citing Ranka as an example for Alto, it also brings Ranka into the equation but definitely not automatically to be considered as romantic concerns, but rather, it is up to Alto to think about it. Ozma is just giving him the pieces and he’s still the one to fix the puzzle and make it whole. Klan on the other hand gave him the puzzle WITH a picture of what she wants Alto to do, hoping Alto would copy the picture and fix the puzzle that way. (sorry for the lame analogy ^^;)

    @Justinstrife
    The fact is Alto IS frustrated. Whether it concerns Ranka or SMS issues we don’t exactly know but we can see that it has something to do with decisions, seeing he’s torn between choices he needs to do and choices he thinks he MUST do but can’t. Klan also doesn’t know anything of what’s going on in Alto’s life, she also has no room to talk. But seeing as both Klan and Ozma took the liberty in taking the reigns on Alto’s life (because they think he’s being indecisive and wishy-washy about things), let’s just let Alto take the beating and see if he’d improve with those talks.

  • September 8, 2008 at 2:04 amJustinStrife

    Klan has more knowledge on Alto’s life than Ozma does though. She also knows more about Alto and Sheryl personally than Ozma does. So in that regard, she’s a much better match-maker than Ozma could ever hope to be.

    After all, Ozma ditched Cathy to raise Ranka(and he did a very bad job I might add), then ditched Ranka to be with Cathy. Ozma’s entire argument was garbage as SMS is taking a huge gamble with running off as pirates while Frontier is in bad shape. A man he might be, but an adult he is not. An adult still has responsibilities.

    Why would Alto choose Ranka, when he hasn’t shown since episode 13, any romantic interests in Ranka? Why would Alto choose Ranka, when they haven’t had any romantic or sexual tension between each other since episode 13? Why was the last good Alto x Ranka episode, episode 13?

  • September 8, 2008 at 2:40 amprincess

    The Galia 4 scene is where Alto finally saw Ranka as a woman. This is proven when he started to react to her the same way he reacts to Sheryl, whose womanly charms are all too familiar to him.

    But nowhere in the series had Alto displayed any romantic feelings for Ranka. The Galia 4 event was cute, lighthearted, blushy but flimsy. Call it what you will, but whatever it was, it evidently just couldn’t survive the future events. There just isn’t enough support or development.

    That’s not to say Alto doesn’t love Ranka. He may not understand her, he may not even listen to her, but he loves and cares for her. It’s just that his heart belongs to someone else.

  • September 8, 2008 at 2:57 amSherry

    @yuKime

    Wow… Someone who actually defends Leon’s greed for power… Anyway, I hope your speech about Alto not knowing he is working for a bad guy also means you agree that it ISN’T Ranka’s fault that she indirectly killed people because she sang and made those Vajras go haywire. You are a Sheryl fan so I want your opinion on this one…. And if you are going to blame Ranka (that is a big IF), then I’ll be saying you’re biased.

    And about Alto making a bad choice, the point is he didn’t seem to believe in his own choice fully. Ozma seems to think that Alto is just letting the flow, circumstances and situations carry him wherever, not making any choice himself. That’s why Ozma is questioning him and that’s why Alto is frustrated in the end.

    You very conveniently skipped the part where I said I believed Leon should burn in Hell and focused your attention on the rest…again, my point was that ‘officially’, ‘in appearances’, the SMS are the deserters who left Frontier behind (since outside a few selected people, no one knows about him murdering the president) and that while being a bad guy, yes he is a greedy pig, Leon won’t go killing off everyone in the colony either.
    I am just stating facts here.
    Now, Sheryl was asked to sing for Frontier, just like Ranka before her, because of the fold reactions her singing voices produced and their effects on the vajra.
    Neither of them are ‘evils’ for doing their best and putting their lives on the line to protect everyone: it might seem inhuman coming from Leon since he literally asked Sheryl to sing till she dies, but the previous president also used Ranka to fight against the vajra in space, in the middle of ragging battles.

    I also understand what you mean by Alto being frustrated and being doubtful of his own choices, like he has been in the whole anime really ¬___¬ but it doesn’t change the fact that he received the exact same msg as everyone else, and decided for himself (meaning that no one was behind him telling him “don’t go to the SMS!”)and whatever was his reasons, he stayed in Frontier and seriously fought against Ozma.

    It’s not about being ‘on the wrong side’, each one got a definite path which differs from the rest: no one said some choices weren’t painful, or even unfair for oneself and cruel! –> Ranka is truly happy, but also hurting at the same time! But still, this is the choice she made for herself and she kept moving forward, smiling.
    There is no guaranty at all Alto would make a ‘happy’ painless decision for himself, he might have to sacrifice something, or many, to be able to realize a stronger and most valuable wish: the question both all the fans and Ozma are now wondering about is ‘what is it Alto wants?! What is he flying for?!’ When this will be answered, no matter what paths he follows, even seemingly ‘wrong’ to others people, it will be the right one for him.
    I personally don’t think he could have come, in upcoming eps, to such conclusions if he had left at this point of the anime. It was needed for the plot story for him to collect his mind staying there, on board of Frontier.
    As for what he will do afterward, who knows? But Sheryl won’t be the one binding him down, she has proven her selfless feelings for him and will let him do whatever he wants, including going to Ranka and breaking his promise of staying with her.

    yuKime, please refrain from telling me things like “…you are going to blame Ranka…” or similar, since I never did and never will unless she really does something seriously ugly. Which is yet to ever happen.
    Because while I do prefer an AltoxSheryl ending, I am not a rabid enraged fan either and I’m totally open to other possible conclusions: actually I will very likely only accept a logical and justified end, pushing Alto in one or the others arms won’t convince me.
    I don’t blindly follow one pairing, ignoring the possibilities of the other.
    Ranka is not ‘finished’ yet, but I allow myself to think Sheryl neither is.

  • September 8, 2008 at 3:13 amyuKime

    @JustinStrife

    Wha? Since when did Klan know Alto more than Ozma?! O__O Alto is UNDER Ozma’s squadron and Ozma has been Alto closely ever since. Alto doesn’t even talk to Klan unless Klan talks to Alto. Klan is a girl and Ozma is a guy, who’s more psyched to understand each other? Klan DOESN’T know Sheryl, only knows Sheryl is dying AND Sheryl likes Alto. What does that have to do with being a better matchmaker?

    And now you’re downgrading Ozma just because he gave that speech that mentioned Ranka in it? I don’t think Ozma did a bad job in raising Ranka at all. He sacrificed a lot for her, so please don’t talk bad about the way he raised Ranka. Cathy knew this and didn’t hold it against Ozma, did she? She knew Ozma prioritized Ranka that’s why she gave way but they still maintained the closeness (and love).

    Are you saying SMS is wrong to go and search for what they believe is the truth and should have stayed in Frontier to be under NUNS and serve Leon’s ridiculous struggle to gain more power? This is just getting so twisted now.

    Why would Alto choose Sheryl when he hasn’t shown any direct strong interest to stay with Sheryl not until he knew she was dying? Why would Alto choose Sheryl when all he acted around her was his tsun tsun mode ever since not until he knew she was dying? Sexual or romantic tension (if you prefer to call it that) is not the only thing deciding who gets to win in the end. It’s Alto’s REAL feelings and HIS FINAL CHOICE that will decide who’ll win. The last good (though followed by a bittersweet moment) Ranka x Alto moment was ep21. When Alto thanked Ranka (with that ever so gentle expression of his and that warm smile) after he told her about his reason for flying. No matter how much you think Alto and Sheryl have this romantic/sexual tension or no matter how much I think Alto and Ranka have this tender and sweet moments, it will all be just our individual point of views on the series and we don’t have any say on how the story will end. We will just see in ep25…

  • September 8, 2008 at 3:34 amyuKime

    @Sherry

    About Leon, I’m just amazed that you still went to the trouble of justifying his actions and see him as someone not so evil. (I just hate the guy so I’m amazed to see someone hate him YET say something in his defense, that’s all)

    “yuKime, please refrain from telling me things like “…you are going to blame Ranka…” or similar, since I never did and never will unless she really does something seriously ugly. Which is yet to ever happen.”

    I apologize if my words seem to sound judgmental to you. I just wanted to get your opinion about Ranka being blamed for ep20 massacre so I said that. I did not mean it to be that way that’s why I included in the parentheses ‘that is a big IF’ to make sure that I am not judging you automatically. I really added the ‘And if’ and ‘that is a big IF’ because I was only saying it hypothetically, I wasn’t labeling you on the spot.

    Quoting myself…

    “You are a Sheryl fan so I want your opinion on this one…. And if you are going to blame Ranka (that is a big IF), then I’ll be saying you’re biased.”

    But if you were still upset, then I apologize wholeheartedly. And thanks to for stating your opinion since I don’t often see Sheryl fans open to possible endings. It was refreshing to read your post amongst those that say, ‘Sheryl wins!’

    I also don’t think Sheryl won’t bind Alto down because of that pledge he had given to her but instead she’d accept Alto’s decision whatever that is. If Sheryl did this, I will accept her if she really is fated to be the one to end up with Alto. But if Alto does decide to choose Sheryl, I do hope we get more convincing scenes without the death card pulling some strings. I really hope Sheryl gets cured before Alto confesses (that is, if he will be confessing to her).

    But yes, Ranka end or Sheryl end, no one can be sure as of now. Let’s just root for our respective shippings and hope for the best and convincing ending for everyone.

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:02 amWestlo

    After reading the real spoilers for 24+25 I hope whoever believed those obviously fake spoilers realizes they are an idiot.

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:28 amBlimey

    Heh what if the real spoilers is actually just the subtle version of the unconfirmed spoilers? People who felt like idiots will feel like idiots for thinking that they were idiots. While the ones who didn’t feel like idiots will feel like idiots for calling the other side idiots and turning out to be the biggest idiot themselves. Know what I’m saying? 8D

    Kawamori: Mwahahah! My plan of making people feel like idiots is working. Bow down to my Macross Frontier.
    Yoshino: Boss, you’re the man.
    Kawamori: Mwahahah! Yes! Feed my ego more. That’s the only reason I hired you.

    LMFAO

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:39 amThalia

    Noooo!! It does sound like a less detailed version. LSDKJFA;LKHFSADH’A!! I’m pissed off.

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:50 amlol

    @yuKime

    Does Ozma even know Sheryl is alive? At all? He’s never met her, so he can’t be a matchmaker for Alto when he doesn’t even know anything about Sheryl or even know Alto knows Sheryl. Ozma isn’t even telling him to go get Ranka, but to find his own path.

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:53 amsilvanon

    Where’s this new spoilers? o.O Did Omni post it?

  • September 8, 2008 at 7:10 amWestlo

    “Does Ozma even know Sheryl is alive? At all? He’s never met her, so he can’t be a matchmaker for Alto when he doesn’t even know anything about Sheryl or even know Alto knows Sheryl. Ozma isn’t even telling him to go get Ranka, but to find his own path.”

    Don’t bother telling common sense to someone who thinks what they want to, they will ignore it.

    Fact – Ozma doesn’t even know about Alto and Sheryl’s relationship
    Fact – Alto gets vividly pissed when Ozma mentions how he’s protecting the woman he loves (cathy), remember he just found out Sheryl is dying and there is nothing he can do but watch.
    Facy – The Ranka flash was from her leaving Frontier and was shown when Ozma said Ranka choose her own path.
    Fact – When Ozma says that he has chosen his path the show shows him flying out with Quarter.
    Fact – Than when Ozma says how about you it focuses on Alto.

    The flashback scene was the scene where Ranka decided to go on her on path, not because zomg Alto is thinking of Ranka, RankaXAlto end confirmed!!!

  • September 8, 2008 at 8:21 amlol

    True. Ozma doesn’t even know anything about Alto when you think about it. Not his past, not his relationship with Sheryl. So it’s very silly to assume his words are going to be the one that get him to go with Ranka. He only knows half the story. It’s like because Nanase is a super Ranka fan that means Ranka will win. But I don’t think he’s even pushing Alto towards Ranka. Again, they talk about finding your own path. Not finding the path I told you, which was to protect Ranka. I mean seriously Ranka shippers, look at the evidence here.

  • September 8, 2008 at 8:39 amMatt_D

    I noted a comment somewhere earlier about protoculture – and then realised I had forgotten all about it what with all the flimflam about culture.

    1) What is the link between the Vajra and Protoculture.
    2) Why are the Vajra attacking hummanity.
    3) Who else is backing Grace, they obviously have an interest in the Vajra home world.
    4) What the hell are the Vajra.
    5) What has Grace gained by promoting Leon to president of Frontier.

    As to other goings on,
    Ranka made a choice becouse she has personal experiance with Vajra, and she has suffered great saddness upon seeing her songs destroy so many Vajra. She has to find the answers.

    The crew of the Macross Quater made their decision for two reasons, number one becouse they knew of Leons actions, number two becouse they are loyal to an ideal and to one and another (most joined without knowing about the coup.) Also we have to remember that they were mercenaries and mercenaries don’t “just follow orders” a mercenary chooses which fights to fight and which masters to serve. As the captain pointed out “when all eyes turn right, we must look to the left” (to paraphrase.)

    Leon is powerhungry, and I doubt he has any noble intentions at all.

    As to why was Leon supported by Grace? Becouse Grace wants to use him to help her secure the Vajra homeworld. We don’t know the exact method of this (maybe get them to launch an attack by leaking the information or get the Vajra to launch an all out attack against Frontier and then Grace oblitorates the fleet and the Vajra.)

    Sheryl – She just wants to be seen, she’s a professional and she needs attention, to be honest she’s always seemed like a tertiary support character. Leon is probably going to end up killing her after she has doubt at some point.

    The pink haired boy is just blinded by science and can’t see past it all (the bit where he’s explaining to Sheryl about the V-virus) as such he isn’t asking any interesting questions.

    Alto – he’s just a follower taking the easiest choices available to him. Staying with Sheryl becouse she’s there, dying, needy, and becouse Klan and Micheal pushed him down that path. Following the orders to become part of NUN becouse it’s easy. Firing on his former friends becouse he’s ordered to by his new master. He’s a weak, pitiful character.

    The love triangle, I fully support Alto ending with nobody. I suspect a Ranka x Alto ending.

  • September 8, 2008 at 10:04 amWestlo

    “Again, they talk about finding your own path. Not finding the path I told you, which was to protect Ranka. I mean seriously Ranka shippers, look at the evidence here.”

    I remember Ani_d going gaga (probably because she needed something to grasp onto considering how that ep was a complete SherylXAlto ep) because Ozma said “Protect Ranka Alto!” in Episode 18, and while Alto was thinking about it he wanted to find his own path, now ironically Ozma tells him to do that in episode 22.

    “Ranka made a choice becouse she has personal experiance with Vajra, and she has suffered great saddness upon seeing her songs destroy so many Vajra. She has to find the answers.”

    It’s sad that it took her seeing Alto and Sheryl hugging (from her POV) to realize this.

    Ep 17
    Alto – Sing to kill Varja
    Ranka – HAI ALTO-KUN

    Ep 20
    Alto – Sing Ranka
    Ranka – Don’t wanna, wanna die cuz you hugged sheryl :(

    You know maybe if she had bothered to tell Alto that she could communicate with the Varja he might not have such hatred against them, prior to Michaels death anyway… but no she “forgot” that she could because it was more important to do stuff with Alto.

  • September 8, 2008 at 10:42 amdruid

    If she (Ranka) “knew” she could communicate with vajras, she would have told them to stop attacking the frontier.

  • September 8, 2008 at 11:01 amyuKime

    @lol

    “@yuKime

    Does Ozma even know Sheryl is alive? At all? He’s never met her, so he can’t be a matchmaker for Alto when he doesn’t even know anything about Sheryl or even know Alto knows Sheryl. Ozma isn’t even telling him to go get Ranka, but to find his own path.”

    Ozma knows Sheryl BECAUSE Sheryl is famous. She’s a celebrity! But yeah, he doesn’t know her personally THUS he doesn’t have a say in Alto’s relationship with Sheryl. Did I ever say he had a say in it? And Ozma NEVER told Alto to marry his sister just to protect her, but he wasn’t talking about romantic issues unlike Klan did with Alto. My point is, neither Ozma nor Klan can decide for Alto who to choose but rather, they can just advise Alto and let Alto do the choosing. I don’t think we have anything to disagree at all.

  • September 8, 2008 at 11:52 amA_name

    Ozma is flawed in his reasoning here he probably does not know what is going on between Alto and Sheryl anyway.

    Alto stayed behind for Sheryl, that IS his path he choose. The reason why Ozma works sting at Alto is because Alto is totally helpless in helping Sheryl, unlike Ozma who can physically protect his women.

    Sheryl is dying from a terminal disease and Alto is pissed because he can’t do anything at all. Sheryl will probably die in the end as Luca already said the disease is already terminal thus a Alto x Sheryl possibility is very low, but the likehood of him getting on with Ranka is nearly impossible, given she is the Queen and all.

  • September 8, 2008 at 3:47 pmRoy Fokker88

    @A_name
    Your right that Ozma has no idea about Sheryl.

    What no has seemed to noticed is that Ozma saw that Alto has grown up and they have become equals just on different sides because of the circumstances. If Alto was truly still immature he would have followed Ozma and crew and use it as an excuse to run away from Sheryl.

    As for the disease, maybe it won’t be such a lethal disease after all in Sheryl’s case. Back in Macross Seven Mylene’s human/Zentradi blood was the key to the Protoculture ruins, proving that children of the Protoculture learned to live together. In Ranka and now in Sheryl’s case as well they are part Varja just as Sara and Mao had Protoculture blood in them.

    Instead of a cure I am wondering if it will be more of Sheryl and the Varja virsus learn to coexist. Just hope things don’t turn into a complete ripoff of Eureka Seven. I can see it now Alto gets Sheryl’s so called “Space AIDS” after doing her and they both become part Vajra and fly off into space with all the other Vajra ruled under none other than…Queen Ranka!!

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:45 pmS

    Based on the recent spoilers, it’s a RankaxAlto end. Hands down.

  • September 8, 2008 at 5:49 pmS

    ¿u dok-un-sdertand?

  • September 8, 2008 at 6:42 pmani_d

    @westlo

    “After reading the real spoilers for 24+25 I hope whoever believed those obviously fake spoilers realizes they are an idiot.”

    What are you talking about? The things in the UNCONFIRMED spoilers turned out to be accurate, just with little less details from the official ones. I’d start mourning if I were you. ^_^ Dokun dokun kawaii indeed.

  • September 8, 2008 at 6:59 pmmusouka

    @ani_d
    No, the fake spoilers were totally fake and have no bearing on the last episode. Any similarity that may occur is a coincidence. We know they’re fake because they were rumored to have come from a magazine called NewType. The actual spoilers from NewType were totally different.

  • September 8, 2008 at 7:14 pmani_d

    No, but it’s right though.

    Show Spoiler ▼

    I don’t know where the person from MW got his previous spoilers, but he must have some inside connection or something cuz what he got were pretty accurate from the official ones….even if it has more details on the character side. What was left out were the bit from the characters itself. Which is pretty reasonable.

  • September 8, 2008 at 7:15 pmani_d

    *NOT doing anything

  • September 8, 2008 at 7:44 pmlol

    Even the fake spoilers don’t point to a Ranka end.

  • September 8, 2008 at 9:34 pmrob_w

    @Matt_D

    Don’t entirely agree with you on the Alto part. I think Micheal and Klan knew that Alto had feelings for Sheryl even though he’s never said it out loud. IMO that’s why they were always pushing him towards Sheryl and not Ranka even though it was fairly obvious to everyone Ranka liked him. It seems Alto doesn’t want to make the same mistake Micheal and Klan made by waiting to long to confess their true feelings.

    When he got that message from Ozma about SMS leaving the frontier he had a look of horror on his face and I think its because he had an impossible decision to make: go with his friends/comrades who he’s fought a number of battles with in SMS or stay behind and be with Sheryl even though there was no hope in her situation. His decision to stay IMO was the much more difficult path because he has no power in that situation. There’s nothing he can do that can save Sheryl(at least that we know of right now). He’s a pilot, so the only thing he knows how to do well is fight and running off to fight with SMS is a situation where he has the power to do something whereas dealing with the fact that Sheryl is going to die is a situation where he’s completely powerless.

  • September 9, 2008 at 12:31 amClamce

    From Macrossworld forums

    http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/647/capture3wj3.jpg

    I told you Sheryl people are bound to get disappointed later. This episode is merely an attempt to add coal to the fire.

  • September 9, 2008 at 1:26 amHime

    Clamce: Ranka was wearing Minmei’s outfit and Sheryl is wearing http://www.seventhmoon.org/macross/images/abartbook.jpgBasara’s.

    It’s just a Newtype scan that has nothing to do with the events of the show right now, much like most of other Newtype scans that offer you eyecandy. ;) I suggest for everyone to sit back and watch the show, instead of clinging to the first thing to pop up that barely even hints a spark of shipping, when everyone’s just having fun there.

    Sigh.

  • September 9, 2008 at 1:27 amHime

    Clamce: Ranka is wearing Minmei’s outfit and Sheryl is wearing Basara’s.

    It’s just a Newtype scan that has nothing to do with the events of the show right now, much like most of other Newtype scans that offer you eyecandy. ;) I suggest for everyone to sit back and watch the show, instead of clinging to the first thing to pop up that barely even hints a spark of shipping, when everyone’s just having fun there.

    Sigh.

  • September 9, 2008 at 1:47 ammike_s_6

    Interesting though, Ranka dressed as Minmay and Sheryl as Basara means that if that is indicative of the love triangle, then both girls end up with no one in the end.

  • September 9, 2008 at 3:32 amSeifall

    Ranka will redeem herself for sure.
    @ mike_s_6 I thought you wanted to avoid the spoilers ? :)
    But do you really think they will let Ranka be the Minmei until the end ? This is unlikely.
    After how she was in episode 20, there is no way they will let us down like that! :)

  • September 9, 2008 at 3:36 amnezumibento

    @Noracalo
    Of course Leon would want to protect Frontier by default – wouldn’t it be meaningless to be in power if Frontier was destroyed? I think he was willing to play Grace’s game as long as it got him the President’s desk, but he didn’t anticipate all the hitches in his plans. He’s completely amoral, because he doesn’t really see Frontier as a people to protect as much as a population to lord himself over. His actions are all based on vested self-interest, not social responsibility. Which makes him morally questionable, and I wouldn’t follow anyone who regards everyone as tools to further your goals.

    I don’t think the Quarter crew are leaving in part because of the political situation but they are also taking this opportunity to investigate the Vajira in an attempt to sort out the problem with them from a different angle. The problem is that most research and knowledge of the Vajira is in Leon and Grace’s camp, and since they’ve been proven most untrustworthy, they’ve gone to figure out the facts themselves.

    @everyone picking on Ozma’s words
    Really, Ozma’s statement to Alto was a blanket statement that applies to him in all aspects, not specifically to his relationship with Sheryl and Ranka. Ranka was just an example for goodness sakes =_=, because in the end she thought hard about everything and made a choice based on it. So did Ozma and the Quarter crew (and by that I mean including Klan and Luca).

    If there’s anything we’ve learned about Alto, he’s a great pilot and a brave soldier, but when it comes to facing himself and his relationships with people, he’s a avoidance-prone apathetic idiot.

    Ozma’s words is a barb that drives home the point that if you continue to refuse to confront the situation head on because it makes you uncomfortable, you’re going to end up pretty blind to the important things that’s going on. And when it comes down to making a decision where you stand you don’t even have the info to make a proper choice.

  • September 9, 2008 at 3:51 amdokun dokun dokun XD

    @Clamce

    Ahah.a..ahahaha! Can’t breathe….AHAHAHAHA!! I’ve seen the spoilers and NT images. Lots of Sheryl shippers are going to be cutting themselves later on. Maybe they’re already are!XD Karma karma karma karma karma chameleonnnnn you come and go, you come and gooOoOoo!

  • September 9, 2008 at 4:10 ammike_s_6

    @Seifall – there are no spoilers in there, are there? Just a person thinking that Ranka and Alto are fixed because he’s carrying her wearing a Minmay outfit, with Basara-Sheryl beside them. I’m not avoiding spoilers from official material such as next episode previews and magazine publications, as they are presented to the public for a reason. What I should have avoided is commenting on a non-official statement based on official material.

  • September 9, 2008 at 5:04 amnotcheese

    diva / dokun : “Ahah.a..ahahaha! Can’t breathe….AHAHAHAHA!! I’ve seen the spoilers and NT images. Lots of Sheryl shippers are going to be cutting themselves later on. Maybe they’re already are!XD Karma karma karma karma karma chameleonnnnn you come and go, you come and gooOoOoo!”

    Actually, no. Far from it. As a fan of the AltoxSheryl (Skull Fairy) pairing, I am proud that Alto and Sheryl’s relationship is being fleshed out and developed along the way. I am happy that there are so many trials and tribulations in store for them, as their relationship is more than ready enough to face this. This time will undoubtedly be the biggest challenge for Alto and Sheryl, but they have enough strength and development to come out of this storm unscathed. :)

    Given this point in time, even though Alto x Sheryl is given all the developments and trials and the focus is on them, I am still very much open to an Alto x Ranka ending, no matter how contrived or rushed it is. But at the same time, I’m not sure what to say when I see some people placing their dependency on a downfall of a pairing, as if it automatically validates the other. The AltoxRanka pairing shouldn’t be dependent on the fate of AltoxSheryl; it should be dependent on the story and development that is given to them. The faith people place in AltoxSheryl is built on these two factors alone, which is why I’m certain they will overcome these issues that popped up around her death card and Alto’s own directionless state.

  • September 9, 2008 at 5:14 amWestlo

    Ani_d I will refrain from calling you a moron and allow yourself to realize it. Now those unconfirmed spoilers mention reinforcements from Earth. Do your recall the length of time it took for Galaxy’s message to get to Frontier? Do you recall how far away the Frontier fleet is from Earth? Do you remember how Alto and Sheryl going to Gallia IV would take 1 day while going back would take a week.

    Those spoilers were obviously fucking fake, use your fucking head. And it’s probably Ranka and Sheryl (yes the spoilers mention 1, but if Ranka steps out from behind Sheryl after the image is done the spoilers is telling the truth) singing in the bridge at the end… you know this duet song called Lion you might have heard…

  • September 9, 2008 at 7:42 amWestlo

    @ Clamce

    Since that pic is bad news for Sheryl fans I guess this pic reveals who Lelouch will end up with in Code Geass R2!

    http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/Code%20Geass/brotherlylove.png

    Fabulous Schneizel x Lelouch ending confirmed, sorry C.C and Kallen fans.

  • September 9, 2008 at 8:08 amSchneizel

    Everything is fabulous.

  • September 9, 2008 at 9:10 amMatt_D

    @rob_w
    I see your point, anyway I’m embittered becouse he’s the kind of character that annoys the life out of me. I still envisage Sheryl dying in the end, she’s never seemed more then a puppet to me a means to an end, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it ;c)

    Now then, do we really think that Sheryls V-vector giving her equivelent powers to Ranka is a suprise? Grace created her for that very reason (to manipulate the Vajra), Grace changed her focus to Ranka upon realising Sheryl was less useful to her. Also Grace was trying her hardest to keep it a secret (remember all the vile switching.) Grace was hoping she’d just die.

    I’m quite sure that whatever NUNS and Leon are planning to do will play right into Graces hands.

    I’m also pretty sure that somewhere along the line it’ll turn out the Vajra have a pretty good reason to be attacking hummanity.

    Another interesting thing is what is Rankas relationship to Professor Mao, is she her daughter? Re references to Macross Zero. Are some of the things that happen in Zero going to get an interesting explenation in Frontier.

    I hope alot of tying up and explenation happens in these last few episodes along with some epic space battles.

  • September 9, 2008 at 10:53 amWestlo

    Spin this Ranka fans.

    Animedia female seiyuu interview

    Show Spoiler ▼

  • September 9, 2008 at 11:20 amS

    DAMNT STOP THIS MADNESS!! BOTH SHIPPING SIDES ARE FUC**NG CRAZY

  • September 9, 2008 at 11:52 amBigTime

    LOL @ the interview
    Ranka fans won’t believe that.

    363 comments and it’s still Tuesday

  • September 9, 2008 at 1:11 pmyuKime

    And to add more fun.

    Here’s what Megumi Nakajima’s (Ranka’s seiyuu) message for…

    I also want for Sheryl-san to find happiness TOO. (yes, she really said ‘too’ A usual thing that one says when she is contented~ so Ranka is contented…) Both as a singer and as a woman too.
    For Alto-kun… (I) want (you) to make sure of it (or to see it through), in various ways…
    Brera-san, please support Ranka too from here on!

    And for Mayn’s (Sheryl’s seiyuu) message:
    To Alto… In episode 8, when you were carrying Sheryl and flying, the line “what’s that?” was full of feeling of love.

    To Ranka-chan… Ranka-chan got a lot of capacity she just didn’t notice it. By not being alike, we became alike.

    **I wonder what that message Megumi gave Alto means… It seems dokun dokun to me! =)

  • September 9, 2008 at 4:26 pmSeifall

    @mike_s_6 I don’t ever trust this kind of pictures…
    By the way, did you see the kiss between Alto and Sheryl in episode 22 ?
    Almost all Sheryl’s fan saw it.. but it was not showed nor obvious since Alto’s behaviour when he leaved the room was not of one who was all turn on .He hugged her, yes, but that’s all what I saw. And no need to say when I heard about sex scene I can’t help to laugh :)

    @yuKime Even with the I and you that’s pretty the same.
    ” *I wonder what that message Megumi gave Alto means… It seems dokun dokun to me!”
    A confession from Alto ? :)
    I hope it will not be too late though!

    Did you remember what Alto’s seiyuu said like ” Alto was mobbed by everybody at the end”?
    I think Ranka will be near to die and Alto will be there with Ozma, Cathy, Klan, Sheryl ….. but hope it doesn’t end up as a tragedy !

  • September 9, 2008 at 6:59 pmdiva

    @westlo
    Sheryl wants to be with her love forever but does Alto WANT to be with her? lolololl!

    Check this out.

    Recent staff interview: Animedia

    最後の瞬間までシェリルの側にいると誓ったアルト。だが、それは果たして本物の愛なのか?

    “Alto promised to stay with Sheryl until the very end, but is it really true love?”

    HAHAHA People who REALLY thought that was true love need to have a good laugh. You’d think his mom’s picture wasn’t enough indication that that was PITY swaying his emotions XD That’s true love for the dead&dying you mean lololollll

  • September 9, 2008 at 8:24 pmBigTime

    When was those interviews released?
    Which is first? What episode is it referring too?

    That Climax interview, if its true is pretty much spot on, no interpretations.

  • September 9, 2008 at 8:41 pmmusouka

    @yuKime, ect
    You know, above everything else romantically, the spoilers are hinting that Ranka is going to be the one to save the day–and no, not through trying to blow the enemy up in a suicide mission. I really don’t understand why Ranka fans are so insistent that Alto is going to rush to her side, save her, and then declare his undying love. What exactly is he “saving” her from? The Frontier is in more danger than she is, and to think otherwise is to have a spectacularly Ranka-centric view on the entire series.

    In fact, while the spoilers might be questioning Alto’s love for Sheryl, they don’t really say anything romantic about him and Ranka. Even the seiyuu comments–Sheryl’s about love for a person, Ranka’s about love for everyone. Ranka’s entire character arc has been about looking beyond herself and her own wishes and desires. She’s lovable and understandable when it comes to her failures, but ultimately she’ll pull through it.

    It’s like the original Macross in the final parts of the series. The overwhelming focus on Misa was concerning her romantic relationship with Hikaru. “Does he love her? Does he love her more than Minmay?” Whereas Minmay’s focus was about the emotional ups and downs of her career and how that impacted her actions.

    I don’t know if it will be a Sheryl ending. I think it has to be a Sheryl ending for the romantic aspect to really resonate, but that doesn’t mean it will be a Sheryl ending. The difference here is, I don’t sit there and try to spin every bit of information that comes my way as proof positive for my ship. Next episode, I’ll be pretty discouraged if things don’t seem to be working out, but I’ll be able to admit to myself that they’re not.

    It’s the Ranka fans that are setting themselves up for disappointment, not me.

  • September 9, 2008 at 9:08 pmdiva

    LOL!!

    “I really don’t understand why Ranka fans are so insistent that Alto is going to rush to her side, save her, and then declare his undying love. What exactly is he “saving” her from?”

    http://static1.animepaper.net/upload/thumbs/scans/Macross-Frontier/largeAnimePaperscans_Macross-Frontier_suemura(1.71)__THISRES__200195.jpg

    Why hello there prince charming, looking good….Ready to save some Ranka NOW? ;) But wait, what are you saving her from Alto? What? There’s no way she’s going ta blow the Vajra planet with herself for the sake of everyone. What in the world is this picture signifying?? I-I…I can’t comprehend it. Why is Alto’s BACK on Sheryl and is resolutely facing Ranka? And what is that fetal position, Ranka? Regression? What a random image! I’m going to ignore it because it’s just random and it doesn’t mean anything! Yes, I’ll do that. *brainwashes self*

    Stupid people, feasting over these images that has no meaning! Just stupid, I’m righteous, they’re stupid….Haha!

  • September 9, 2008 at 9:56 pmJustinStrife

    Some of you Ranka fans should look at past NT articles about Gundam Seed Destiny. Many of the images there ended up not meeting shit when the episodes actually aired.

    There’s been absolutely no setup for a Ranka x Alto ending. They have no emotional connection together. None, zero, zilch. They don’t even understand each other! They’re not even going to see each other again until at the very earliest, the end of episode 24, if not 25. How in the hell is it going to even work out?

    Wake up! For crying out loud! Wake up already!

  • September 9, 2008 at 11:26 pmS

    THIS IS MADNESS!!!!

  • September 10, 2008 at 12:04 amJustinStrife

    Madness? This… Is… SPARTA!!!

  • September 10, 2008 at 12:27 amBigTime

    Denial is Madness

    I just want to see the reaction of shippers if the beloved girl they picked got the short end of the stick romantically. That will be a long debate full of denial.

    It’s not yet the last ep but comments here are already at the 360+ mark, what more for the last ep. What’s the highest comment posts here in this blog anyway?

  • September 10, 2008 at 12:46 amyuKime

    “It’s the Ranka fans that are setting themselves up for disappointment, not me.”

    Not disappointment at all. I’m happy as long as Ranka’s happy. ^^ Even if she doesn’t get Alto, as long as she’s happy. (But it will be perfect if she did get Alto. =D)

    And I’m not setting myself for disappointment, rather, the ones already partying their victory after 22 might be the ones setting themselves up for the bigger disappointment. We’ll see… At least, I haven’t spent time partying for nothing yet.

  • September 10, 2008 at 1:50 ammike_s_6

    @Seifall – I’ll bet that there was a kiss, but just a bet, but I wouldn’t tell people that THAT’s exactly what happened. As I’ve said, the hug is enough for me, to be honest. I’ll only be convinced if there is some hard evidence saying that there was a kiss, either Alto/Sheryl says so, or the scene is shown in plain view.

  • September 10, 2008 at 3:07 amdiva

    @Justinstrife
    “Wake up! For crying out loud! Wake up already!”

    O.O….

    Hey calm down. Okay okay…Sheryl ftw! SherylxAlto ftw! Ftw! AHAHAHA Alto will never leave Sheryl’s side and they will live happily ever after. It’s going to be SherylxAlto against the world, ain’t no little queen is going to destroy that love even if she self-destructs! Alto doesn’t care about Ranka like with Sheryl that’s why if ever she’ll need some rescuing Alto WILL rescue her OUT OF PITY! To say that Alto has romantic feelings for Ranka is outrageous! The guy never blushed at her! Never looked at her romantically! Never showed the most affectionate smile at her! Only with Sheryl…Yeahhh

    Alto may have opened up to Ranka about his mother, and may have made Ranka do the things his mother do to him like letting Ranka tie his hair, and even teaching her how to make paperplanes when she’s not dying, but that’s NOTHING because Alto saw his mother in the dying Sheryl and that’s true love right there! Who cares about Galia 4? Those are just fillers! The real love story started in 18-25 with Sheryl ending sealing the deal! Anata no Oto is Ranka singing as Alto and Sheryl go dokun dokun dokun! AHAHAHAH Yay! SherylxAlto is going to happen! Magazines scans don’t mean a thing even if lotsa people were pinning their hopes on it last August!! Who are they kidding? SherylxAlto ftw XD

  • September 10, 2008 at 3:18 amMichaelxKlan4ever

    It’s still Ranka’s fault that Michael died in 20. If she didn’t screw up her singing, Klan wouldn’t be all alone now. Epic Fail!!!

  • September 10, 2008 at 5:11 amSherry

    I guess there will be war between each pairing supporters until Alto makes a decision ^^;;
    You guys are loosing it seriously, this is not even funny anymore, this is getting slightly pathetic or not, more like tiring *I’m not reading anymore, just flying over the posts vaguely*
    The good thing I personally noticed in the interviews that were posted, was that it doesn’t seems like neither girls will be dying on us, supposing there is, I hope, not such a thing as ‘happily dead’ in Macross ^^;;
    So since they will be both alive (still guessing from my part), I believe neither shippers factions will be able to say anything to the other (like: ‘Alto is pitying her’ or ‘he is going to rescue her because he was asked to and because she is so pitiful’ etc…) when Alto makes his final choice ^__^

  • September 10, 2008 at 5:51 amjoachim

    @diva:

    seriously stop with the loloololol, heck you dont even know what that abbreviations with more than one LOL…

    you want to be respected? answer with calm head, with you using lolololol or whatever you just keep fueling anger from other, even i start to find your way of posting stuff annoying, look just put your point, stop with the lololol wtf mate?

    and should i say epic trolling? whatever friend

  • September 10, 2008 at 6:21 amnezumibento

    lol at the epic flailing on both shipping sides. I just want this series to end properly. Please.

    May both Sheryl and Ranka get some happiness whatever happens.

    Alto however, should get a good round kick in the nuts.

  • September 10, 2008 at 6:32 amWestlo

    yuKime Ranka’s message to Alto is for him to obtain the things he wants (hi Sheryl!), now you only have to add that to her hoping Sheryl finds happiness as a woman and everyone else to be happy and for Brera to continue supporting her too see what happens.

    I mean it’s obvious Ranka will redeem herself as a character for the prior events in the series, what better way in show to do that than to save the Frontier fleet and stop the Varja war? What better way to do that with the fandom than to cure the most popular character in the show and allow her to be with Alto. Not only will she redeem herself in the show and with the fan base she will continue to mature from her choices in episode 21 instead of falling back on that good ol crutch Alto-kun.

    Ranka saving Frontier fleet and maybe holding the key to curing Sheryl has been speculated and talked about quite a lot by most people who aren’t stupidly thinking that Alto will go galvanizing off to rescue Ranka (from what?). These comments just make that line of thought seem to be on the right track.

  • September 10, 2008 at 9:36 amdruid

    @MichaelxKlan4ever
    It’s still Ranka’s fault that Michael died in 20. If she didn’t screw up her singing, Klan wouldn’t be all alone now. Epic Fail!!!

    So far that’s the most logical reason I’ve read.

    @yuKime
    Not disappointment at all. I’m happy as long as Ranka’s happy. ^^ Even if she doesn’t get Alto, as long as she’s happy. (But it will be perfect if she did get Alto. =D)

    I second that. :D

  • September 10, 2008 at 10:06 amRankaFan

    Am I the only Ranka fan who sees that Diva is just trying to make us look bad? I bet she/he is a Sheryl fan from Anime-suki, so kindly fuck off back their and stop your trolling.

  • September 10, 2008 at 10:29 amwesley69

    No I’m really Diva! Oh wait.

  • September 10, 2008 at 10:48 amdiva

    lololololololll

  • September 10, 2008 at 3:31 pmCerrian

    I’m really hoping that Ranka discovers herself and then turns into one of the bad guys (think Berserk). That way we get a 2nd season and Ranka could get some of the best character development seen in ages.

  • September 10, 2008 at 3:37 pmCerrian

    “Am I the only Ranka fan who sees that Diva is just trying to make us look bad? I bet she/he is a Sheryl fan from Anime-suki, so kindly fuck off back their and stop your trolling.”

    Unfortunately he/she is the real thing. It’s a pity that some of the worst shippers tend to come from the Ranka camp. They are their own worst enemies when it comes to shipping. They think they’re helping their cause but usually end up making themselves look fanatical and irrational. It’s probably the reason why they mostly got hounded out of the Animesuki forums.

  • September 10, 2008 at 5:18 pmleo

    GET A FUCKING JOB!!!!!!!

  • September 10, 2008 at 6:17 pmcat

    could someone please tell what the comment from Sheryl’s seiyuu of ep8 was about?

  • September 10, 2008 at 7:36 pmdiva

    @diva
    Heeeyy, retarded diva-obsessed Sheryl fag! XD “lolololll”? Bahh! LOL If you just said dokun dokun we won’t have any problem. Speaking of which I should stop this because….

    @RankaFan
    You just said the MOST MOST shameful thing, beyond shameful than the word shameful itself, just atrocious that nothing can describe how cruel, that can be said to me among all of the other things a human can possibly say to me.

    You just said I’m acting like the Sheryl fans from Animesuki. Animesuki? You could’ve just cursed me and my lineage to damnation but you just gotta level me down to Animesuki level. That has got to be the most cruel thing and repulsive and everything vomit-worthy comment I have ever gotten. You got me there. I understand what you’re trying to say, and I should stop. I just had a little too much fun teasing them. I’m sorry. :(

  • September 10, 2008 at 7:44 pmAzar

    I didn’t see that coming……OK i did, but not in this way. I was hoping that Ranka was gonna be with Alto, not Sheryl…..i really don’t like the Sheryl character. Then again this is building to something, hopefully it doesn’t end on a cliff hanger in case of a another season.

  • September 11, 2008 at 2:27 pmleo

    RANKA FANS, PLS DONT KILL YOURSELF!!!

  • September 11, 2008 at 2:37 pmyuKime

    *eyes the knife with interest*

  • September 11, 2008 at 2:47 pmdruid

    @leo
    RANKA FANS, PLS DONT KILL YOURSELF!!!

    Huh?

  • September 11, 2008 at 5:31 pmnycs

    From episode 23:
    To answer last week’s question:
    Alto is still with Sheryl.

    Also as a side note, This is how much Alto loves Ranka:
    “I will kill Ranka.”

  • September 12, 2008 at 1:59 ammaxnmike

    Matt_D at 8:39 am on September 8th, 2008
    I noted a comment somewhere earlier about protoculture – and then realised I had forgotten all about it what with all the flimflam about culture.
    (snip)
    4) What the hell are the Vajra?

    Here’s a clue. Kawamori is really fond of meshing mythologies into his work. Maybe there are answers in the structure of Buddhist philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra . The Vajra in this context represent the thunderbolt of the gods, but also the unifying force of knowledge. Quote: “The vajra destroys all kinds of ignorance, and itself is indestructible. In tantric rituals the Vajra symbolizes the male principle which represents method in the right hand and the Bell symbolizes the female principle, which is held in the left. Their interaction leads to enlightenment.” When you take this in context to Ranka’s role, she’s the female, the Vajra are the male.They are also an indestructable weapon, but united, they will bring about enlightenment.

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