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「主と従者」 (Aruji to Juusha)
“Master and Servant”

The lengthy exposition in Fate/Zero continues, and while the thought did cross my mind that I’m too forgiving of it compared to To Aru Majutsu no Index, I really don’t think that’s the case when I haven’t read the light novels of either adaptation. Compared to Index, it’s a lot easier to get a grasp of what’s going on in Fate/Zero thanks to the relatively structured nature of the Holy Grail War. We know there are seven Masters and with them seven Servants, and the story develops within the confines of that foundation, depicting their contrasting motives and personalities when they’re alone with their Servants and building up anticipation toward the inevitable battles.

Thus far, there’s been nothing boring about getting more acquainted with the characters — especially charismatic ones like Rider who had me laughing with him upon seeing Waver’s displeased look — as that familiarity makes me care about what happens in them in the war. This includes fearing the worst for Waver after hearing Rider’s line in the preview last time, which luckily turned out to be nothing more than a red herring. I wouldn’t have considered that “lucky” if I didn’t care to see more of both Waver and Rider, which to me says that the exposition here is doing something right. The last thing I wanted to see was the two of them take an early exit when they fearlessly stormed into Caster’s hideout and encountered Kirei’s Assassins. That was right after some rather touching moments where Rider was genuinely impressed by Waver’s alchemy and tried his best to spare him from the gruesome scene of Ryuunosuke and Caster’s killings too. On a related note, I’m somewhat saddened by the mere thought of Rider getting killed, which is highly probably since Waver is an unlikely candidate to go far in the war. The best I can hope for is that he survives and that Rider goes out gloriously protecting him.

On the other end of the Master/Servant spectrum, we have Sola forcibly taking Kayneth’s Command Seals from him and becoming Lancer’s new Master. I was anticipating as much, judging from the preview last time, but not to such a torturous extent where she had Kayneth at her mercy and started “convincing him” by breaking his fingers. I never thought I’d feel sorry for Kayneth, but seeing Sola under the influence of Lancer’s love spot did just that. For that very reason, I loved how Lancer gave her his “Knight before a Servant” justification and turned her down as his new Master, forcing a completely love-struck Sola to lie right to his face about how obtaining the Holy Grail for Kayneth’s sake is her only motive. I think it was pretty clear that Sola would’ve agreed to anything to be with Lancer, and I haven’t even ruled out the possibility that she’s saving one of the Command Seals to get him to make love to her. The interesting part is how Lancer’s aware that she’s under the effects of his charm, upon seeing the similarities between Sola’s look and Gráinne’s (Nakagawa Rie), the intended wife of Fianna leader Fionn mac Cumhaill (Kusumi Naomi) whom he inadvertently charmed and betrayed his leader for. Judging from his past, I can already foresee a lot of emotional baggage resulting in this newly-formed contract, which is on top of the fact that Lancer still sees Kayneth as his Master. The heavily condensed version of the events leading up to his death probably won’t won’t mean much to those who aren’t familiar with the Irish myth involving Diarmuid Ua Duibhne, but for those who are, its inclusion here helped reinforce the notion that he doesn’t intent to betray his lord this time around. (For those who aren’t, I suggest giving the quick rundown a read.)

With all that going on, Kiritsugu’s side of things was kind of lost in the shuffle; however, it didn’t require much time for him to make a point of how he hates Saber’s knightly code of honor. As heartless as it may sound, I have to agree with him on how it’s not his “job” to save the children that Ryuunosuke and Caster are killing. He’s a professional assassin and his obligation is to the Einzbern family. Because of that, I can definitely understand how he’s upset with Saber letting Lancer come to Kayneth’s aid last time. Some people thought it was really stupid of Saber to just hold Lancer to his word that he wouldn’t harm her Master, so it should come as a welcomed development to see that Kiritsugu agrees. For me, I never really had a problem with Saber’s honorable conduct since it defines her character, but I have to concede it was a pretty dumb move in this case. What I do like is how it exemplifies further discord between Kiritsugu and Saber’s personalities — something that Kiritsugu anticipated from the very beginning — and keeps things interesting with Irisviel caught in the middle. Of course, with the preview alluding to more screen time for both Rin and Kariya, that should prove to be just as interesting.

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  • November 27, 2011 at 12:37 amClick

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    • November 27, 2011 at 12:54 amsilv

      right. just dismiss everything he said and ask “whats new?”.

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    • November 27, 2011 at 12:07 pmdaggeraxe

      Geez guys, he was obviously joking and praising the series, no need to be so hard on him.

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:43 ammukamupantatku

    Rider/Iskandar is now my favorite character
    hyped for the next episodes :)

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:41 amWiddershins

      Only NOW is he your favorite? Buddy, by the time he had interrupted the fight at the docks and summarily steamrolled Berserker with that chariot of his, he’d already won me over.

    • November 27, 2011 at 6:43 amMasterDragonKnight

      Not to mention the scene with his new T-shirt.

      And now he has PANTS!

      • November 27, 2011 at 8:45 amZleihsh

        I though he get pants AFTER he kill one Servant?! Oh Well, he is still FANTASTIC!

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:12 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        It’s because Rider’s just that EPIC, lol.

      • November 30, 2011 at 12:04 ambazerkaX

        He did kill an assassin

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:51 amtakashid

    Its interesting how leaving out one small detail changes so many peoples perceptions isnt it?

    From what i have seen, most people are assuming that sola is only betraying kayneth because she has been charmed by his mole, and thus is not really responsible for her actions, but what the novel mentions, and that the anime has left out entirely is that sola is a trained mage.

    She may not be as strong as kayneth, with nothing as strong as his mercury, but she still has ability and has been well trained. The point is, that as a trained mage Sola is fully capable of resisting the effect of Lancers mole. Female mages can resist its power, such as how Irir wasnt effected when Saber fought Lancer(though in Iri’s case its more that she has resistance because she is a homunculus then a mage, but still). The fact that she is still acting love struck, shows that she willingly choose to give in to the charms power, and is therefore completely responsible for her actions.

    • November 27, 2011 at 12:54 amDivine

      The anime’s made it pretty clear she’s a mage — she supplied mana for the summon and mentioned that she has spells this episode — but the fact that you’re alluding to idea that she’s resisting the effects does seem like a spoiler.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:04 amtakashid

        No, no, im not trying to spoil anything that may happen in the future, what im saying is that as of now, she ISN’T resisting the mole, not that she is. She has chosen to let it affect her when she could resit its effects with her abilities as a mage. That’s all im saying.

        People have been making it sound like she is also a victim who has been enchanted by Lancer, but that’s not true, she choose this. That’s what i don’t think the anime has made clear.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:21 amL002

        i kinda don’t think that’s much of a spoiler either. So Sola is a trained magus yet she, as a women, is still vulnerable to such charms. Not much of a magus.

        on the unrelated note- I am sort of SHOCKED that advanced weapons such as firearms are considered USELESS on servants. After seeing Lancer’s past, which I love how well defined it was, it looked like people back then aren’t any physically different from the people of today. Most people would think that it would be impossible that people with such primitive weapons, the servants, to be able to easily deflect bullets like Lancer did, otherwise the Boxing War would have different results in history. It’s a shame that Emiya didn’t use his tactics on Lancer, like he did with Keyneth, otherwise that would be so interesting to watch.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:23 amDivine

        @takashid:

        Oh, I misread that. *Not* resisting. Fair enough.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:02 amFencedude

        @Loo2

        Servants are no longer “normal” people. They have strength and durability much, much higher than any normal human.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:13 amFlameStrike

        @L002

        Heh, well the problem is not that they are “considered” useless, they ARE useless. It wasn’t mentioned in the anime, but normal physical attacks cannot hurt Servants at all. You could shoot even the weakest servant point blank with an anti material rifle and it would just knock them back without hurting them. To kill a servant, you need a special weapon that can damage spiritual entities (Powerful magic works too).
        Also, while it’s not shown as explicitly in the anime, the novels make a point at just how far above humans servants are in physical power. Servants fight at speeds way above the sound barrier, every slash makes a sonic boom. In the servant ranking system, even a D in strength means they have the power of 10+ average humans. There’s a reason why Lancer can wield TWO Lances in an impossible manner.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:39 amWiddershins

        I got the impression that the effect took her by surprise, and by the time she might’ve been resisting it, it was kinda too late.

        Whatever the case she seems pretty deep in it now and I doubt she will be easily focused from this point onward. It is too bad Lancer is so honourable, or he could use this advantage over her to become a serious wild-card.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:29 amsuff

        but normal physical attacks cannot hurt Servants at all

        What about Shirou and Gilgamesh in Unlimited Blade Works?

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:40 amRakkyo

        Shirou projects and uses Noble Phantasms so i don’t think his attacks are considered “normal”.

      • November 27, 2011 at 4:41 amdantheman

        @Loo2
        Servants are far superior to humans, if Kiritsugu tried to fight Lancer last episode he would have gotten skewered.

      • November 27, 2011 at 7:45 amCobaltPhi

        @Widdershins
        That’s not how a magus’s magic resistance works. Simply by virtue of having functioning magic circuits, a magus is supposed to be able to automatically remove any magecraft affecting their minds because of their own prana running through their magic circuits, unless the magus in question really sucks, like Shirou. Defense against Lancer’s mole isn’t something that needs to be consciously activated, but something that needs to be consciously deactivated.

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:14 pmWiddershins

        @CobaltPhi I will admit that I am not at all versed in this lore. It’s bloody complicated, holy crap.

    • November 27, 2011 at 12:59 amJen

      Ha, I’d choose Lancer too if i had to be stuck with Kayneth as a husband.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:20 ammistress_kisara

        I second that.

      • November 27, 2011 at 5:32 amkylone

        So, does this mean the Love Spot crosses the fourth wall?

      • November 27, 2011 at 6:47 amMasterDragonKnight

        If so, then let’s just hope that it does not get Midorikawa Hikaru (Lancer’s seiyu) killed by angry husbands in real life.

      • November 28, 2011 at 3:24 pmmachan

        Well obviously Lancer is cooler than Kayneth, but Sola has gone far beyond what is acceptable behavior to a nevertheless doting husband :\

    • November 27, 2011 at 11:29 amsuff

      Come to think of it, Iri was not affected by Lancer. What this due to her non-human nature? Or was it because she resisted it?

      • November 27, 2011 at 4:47 pmKob264

        She resisted it.

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:54 amL002

    To those of you that are curious, and didn’t read the light novel, what Waver saw wasn’t just a bunch of corpses hacked into pieces, Caster’s master is done with such a low “quality” of art. To be exact, Waver was expecting something like that, but it was….., well read here and you would see.
    http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Act_8#-106:08:19
    It was nice to see Waver being well somewhat main characterish, I can imagine a lot of people would like Waver to be the main character. He seems more suitable as a main character than Shirou was in Fate/stay night.

    I am also enjoying this really nice soap opera of Lancer’s previous life and current life, on the interesting note, he had a sword and was dressed somewhat differently. Not to mention, in his legend, it was said that Lancer was geis (hypnotized) into kidnapping Grainne, but it looked like his free will from my view. Anyway, I am interested to see more on Lancer now that he switched masters.

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Zero/Fate%20Zero%20-%2009%20-%20Large%2005.jpg
    I find it interesting how we get to see these heroic spirits via memory lane, even though they were not summoned in the War, we at least get to see them and how they were. The sad part is that we don’t get to see their Noble Phantasm though.

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:54 amsuff

      That’s interesting. Perhaps it will be revealed later on that he *WAS* hypnotized; in that case he did not betray his master (not on free will anyways). That will certainly ease his guilt and lower his will to fight in this war.

    • November 27, 2011 at 5:26 amRakkyo

      To clear up misconceptions, a geis is a spell or a vow which cannot be broken without severe consequences, such as death. It’s very far away from hypnotism.

      • November 27, 2011 at 6:52 amSilent Minstrel

        Blame Code Geass for the misconception ;P

    • November 27, 2011 at 8:58 amZammael

      Thanks for the link. Is this from the novel?

      If so, I must say that’s some terribly wooden writing. :(

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:44 ammist666999

        That link is the only translation of the novel that I know of. But apparently those translators don’t understand english grammar perfectly. (or japanese is harder to translate than I realize)

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:58 amfragb85

    Team Lancer is definitely screwed up. Kayneth is an arrogant elitist prick with no magic and simply can’t comprehend the fact that his servant is loyal to him no matter what. Sola-Ui is a manipulative women who doesn’t care for Kayneth and has her priorities wrong. And Lancer himself is so stuck up in honor and loyalty that he can’t understand his masters don’t deserve him. Hello to the hundred death flags they have tripped.

    Team Saber is no better, Kiritsugu being all practical while Saber keeps crying for chivalry. I find it funny that it was Saber who spared Caster the first time and now she insists on finding him.

    Thankfully Team Rider is the bright spot, showing actual camaraderie. Waver is finally understanding what he is up against, and Rider has shown compassion and protectiveness to his Master.

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:23 amL002

      I think you’re forgetting team Archer, their formation is solid as a rock. Archer in the front lines while Assassins hiding in the shadows to kill the master, when given the chance.

      Though I so want Berserker to show himself more often. I’m a bleach fan, and I love how people like him show his insanity while fighting.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:33 amfragb85

        As Gil said, Tokiomi is boring and therefore not worth mentioning. Even Assassin jobbed to Rider this episode.

      • November 27, 2011 at 8:17 pmMichiko

        I have to disagree with the solidity of Team Archer. Tokiomi’s only ever tried once to rein in Gilgamesh, and needed to use a Command Seal to force Gilgamesh to retreat.

        With the Independent Action attribute for the Archer class letting Gil do whatever he wants, combined with his level of arrogance, Tokiomi’s the one bending over to make sure that Gil’s not mad at him so that Tokiomi will get what he wants without wasting the rest of his Command Seals.

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:47 amsuff

      I actually think the Caster Team is the most functional one; although that’s partially because Caster’s master is almost invisible in this show.

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:59 amKGFJ

    This episode is a good reminder on how smart actually Waver is that he manages to wriggle his way into the Holy Grail war at the first place. Funny how Tokiomi comments that Waver is just a third rate magician, but Waver is actually the one to find Caster’s lair the first. Even if Caster were there, Iskandar would likely manage to kill him, given how easily he tramples all of those… cthulhus along the sewer. Rider x Waver bromance FTW! And that doesn’t feel gay at the slightest!
    Too bad for lancer :( being a lancer seems to be doomed to irony and betrayal in fate series :/
    And little Rin in action next episode!! Fingers crossed she is as entertaining as adult Rin :D although usually having little girl trying to involve herself in adults’ business end in pretty bad result…

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:59 amchikvn

    I come here thinking this scene would be SS, but seem like i was wrong.
    Still, it looks amazing, no matter how many times i look at it [=

    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/chikvn/Rider.jpg

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:02 amFencedude

    The lengthy exposition in Fate/Zero continues, and while the thought did cross my mind that I’m too forgiving of it compared to To Aru Majutsu no Index, I really don’t think that’s the case when I haven’t read the light novels of either adaptation. Compared to Index, it’s a lot easier to get a grasp of what’s going on in Fate/Zero thanks to the relatively structured nature of the Holy Grail War.

    I don’t know how much of a comparison can really be made, the stories are very different. Fate/Zero is 4 volumes, tells its story, and is done. Index is some stupidly large number of volumes and is still going, still adding new characters, and just generally bloated to hell and back.

    Granted, I pretty much actively dislike Index in general, and Touma in particular, so I’m somewhat biased.

    (I’d say my enthusiasm for Horizon is more questionable considering my opinion of Index, if we’re going to be fair)

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:19 amDivine

      The comparison was merely about their exposition and its delivery, nothing more.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:23 amFencedude

        Fair enough.

        You also have to take into account the quality of the writer of the exposition…

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:06 amGuardian Enzo

    All this honor-bashing of Saber and Lancer is beside the point, I think. Honor isn’t a choice for them – it’s intrinsic to their very identity. “Death before dishonor” has very real meaning for Knights of their eras who lived by a chivalric code. That’s why the real life Diarmuid was so dismayed that he betrayed his Lord under a geis, and that’s why the F/Z Diarmuid is so determined to use his second chance at existence to make up for dying in dishonor the first time.

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:13 amFencedude

      Right. Saber can’t not be honorable. And Lancer can’t either. But similarly, its almost impossible for Kiritsugu to understand this philosophy. Its so diametrically opposed to everything he stands for. On the other hand, while Iri may not agree with Saber, she understands where she’s coming from.

      This will contain some spoilers for Fate/Stay Night (maybe, but just in case)
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      Its interesting that this war has such honorable servants, and such dishonorable masters.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:30 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        Saber and Shirou may have somewhat similar philosophies, but they’re hardly the same. While Kiritsugu is on one end of the scale for Saber, Shirou is on the opposite end for her too.

        Kiritsugu is willing to take virtually any measure to defeat an opponent, including underhanded sneak attacks and such whereas she would rather fight the opponent face to face in a “fair” fight. However, she is NOT above slaying that opponent either in that battle whereas Shirou, as we see in Fate/Stay Night is someone who really isn’t willing to kill ANYONE or have anyone else die, even if they’re by all means an enemy in some capacity (as we saw with Rin, Ilya, Shinji, etc), which also clashes with Saber’s views and why she gets annoyed and frustrated with him.

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:31 amDivine

      I don’t know if anyone was “bashing” their honor per se. It was more highlighting how it doesn’t suit Kiritsugu’s methods. Also, if Kayneth wasn’t down and out last time, he could’ve used a Command Seal to order Lancer to kill Kiritsugu.

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:07 amSeishun Otoko

      I see where you’re coming from but it still doesn’t sit well with me one bit. It seems like Saber and Lancer are following the code of honor blindly and have forgotten the aim of this Holy Grail War. One can argue that by putting Kiritsugu in danger last week, Saber has violated that very knightly code of honor that she stands for. I would even say she was acting out on pride rather than honor over there. At the very least, Lancer and Rider put the safety of their masters above all else. Saber was just being a fool last week, plain and simple and I’m glad Kiritsugu agrees. Lancer’s loyalty to his master is admirable but that would most certainly be his ultimate downfall as the flashback scenes have foreshadowed. He lacks the common sense to survive in this battle royale and I would say he shouldn’t even be here in the first place if his eyes aren’t set on winning the Holy Grail. Rider is an honorable servant but he’s also one who’s more rational and reasonable, and that sets him apart from Saber and Lancer.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:19 amFencedude

        Oh, its certainly a massive blindspot, and its one of Saber’s major weaknesses.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:26 amSilent Minstrel

        I do agree that Saber was dumb last week.

        However keep in mind that Saber was a king during her lifetime, so “protecting master” isn’t all that important to her since she has no king to protect. Besides, in this war Saber swore her knightly allegiance to Iri,not Kiritsugu (so Iri can act as her proxy-master without command seals), so the “master” saber will protect at all cost is actually Iri.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:59 amBakaMochi

        Like someone mentioned in the post above mine, it’s pretty clear Saber’s allegiance lies with Iri, as a knight. Sure she’s bound to Kiritsugu due to the Command Spells, but it’s pretty clear they don’t agree with each other’s methods; in fact it’s Iri who orders Saber around and acts as her Master.

        Another thing to take into account when Saber let Lancer go is the importance of honor between them. I don’t find it that jarring considering they are both knights; their emphasis on it might not seem practical, but it’s who they are, and makes up the core of the moral codes in the time periods they come from. It’s not odd for Saber to let Lancer go to Kayneth because in her mind, their honor and pride as knights prevent Lancer from killing Kiritsugu. I believe Lancer says as much when he makes his escape. Not to say what she did is entirely practical, but it’s completely in character and I personally didn’t find it that jarring.

        In fact, it’s Saber’s strict code of honor that creates most of the conflict with Kiritsugu and it’s one of the most important dynamics in the story that makes it so appealing.It’s pragmatism vs. idealism, and it’s playing out quite well.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:08 amJack

        What kind of stupid logic is “She’s sworn her loyalty to Iri, not Kiritsugu”? You do realize that if Kiritsugu dies, then they’re fucked. Cause Saber can’t do shit by herself and even if she managed to change masters in time after Kiritsugu dies, Irisviel wouldn’t last a day on her own.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:40 amAizen

        Jack, you do realize that if logic and cold efficiency are the only things that factor in the Fourth War, then all of them would have been as ruthless as Kiritsugu, correct? Thing is, servants like Saber and Lancer are bound by principles that mean as much as their lives, if not more. Ask yourself: Is Saber willing to sacrifice those principles just to win the war?

        Really, people, why are we judging values of the past using standards of the present?

      • November 27, 2011 at 7:04 amSilent Minstrel

        It is funny that Saber and Lancer are in a very similar situation (as of episode 9): They pledge their allegiance to someone that doesn’t/no longer hold their command seals (Saber to Iri, Lancer to Kayneth), yet Saber got bashed as dumb while Lancer got hailed as loyal.

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:04 amHeath

        Where did you guys got Saber sworn her loyalty to Iris? She did no such thing. She does, certainly, likes Iris more then Kiritsugu and would rather have her as her master, but she knows full well her master is Kiritsugu and she act as such. For her to be paired wit Iris in the first place it was Kiritsugu’s idea, and both are just following his lead.

        It is a completely different situation then Lancer. Iris is not even a real master, unlike Sola. She never had and could never have the command seals even if Kiritsugu wanted to. Not to mention Iris and Kiritsugu’s goal are one and the same.

      • November 27, 2011 at 10:24 amSilent Minstrel

        @Heath
        It is in the novel, explained word by word.

        But I think this is pretty obvious already in the Anime. Saber was ready to defend Iri to the death during her first battle,even when all odds were stacked against her ( Berserker and Lancer).

      • November 27, 2011 at 11:31 amSuppa Tenko

        Thats because Kiritsugu told Saber to defend Iri to the death.

      • December 1, 2011 at 6:50 amBio D

        Lancer only cares about winning because Kayneth cares about winning. His entire motivation is to serve his master, in this case Kayneth, ’till death takes him or his oathes fulfilled. His knightly honor may hinder the goal, but without it the goal would not exist.
        Unfortunately for him, Kayneth is an elitist asshole who does not understand this at all and Sola has let herself go completely Yandere for him, so he’s going to get the short end of the stick again.

    • November 27, 2011 at 11:30 amGuardian Enzo

      The “old code” of chivalry, as defined by some historians (emphasis mine):

      A Knight, is sworn to valor
      His heart knows only virtue
      His blade defends the helpless
      His might upholds the weak

      His word speaks only truth
      His wrath undoes the wicked.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:22 pmSkribulous

        Too bad most real-life knights only pay lip service to their own code, as history tells us as well.

      • November 27, 2011 at 10:11 pmThe Moondoggie

        Most? I know only 3 who held the code until they died: Richard the Lion Heart, Saladin and Jeanne d’Arc.

      • November 27, 2011 at 10:26 pmGuardian Enzo

        And Bowen in “Dragonheart”.

      • November 28, 2011 at 4:27 amSeishun Otoko

        The “truth” behind chivalry that fantasy literature forgot to mention:
        A concept that medieval aristocrat made up to keep capitalism and competition subdued, ensuring generations of “nobles” remain rich and famous while the poor are subordinated :P

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:10 amFencedude

    You know, I really find the talk of “death flags” for this show to be hilarious. It would be more accurate to discuss “life flags”.

    Can’t wait to see Rin again next time. Even at age 6 she’s gotta be a dozen times more interesting than her father.

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:59 amsuff

      Yea you are right. Since it’s a prequel and because of the Holy Grail War structure we already know most of the death that will happen.

      The only one that is still unknown is Waver, really. Sola-Ui, Kayneth and Ryuunosuke are antagonists not likeable characters so I don’t really care too much; Kariya’s fate is sealed from the start.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:47 amAizen

        More informed individuals already know about Waver’s fate, really. I’m not even talking about reading about it from the light novel.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:58 amsuff

        That’s new. I guess he was also mentioned in FSN, then. I must have missed it.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:59 amsuff

        Actually I misread Aizen’s comment. Never mind.

      • November 27, 2011 at 11:32 amSuppa Tenko

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      • November 27, 2011 at 5:00 pmMoriae

        Waver isn’t unknown. Since Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 29, 2011 at 9:31 pmboingman

        @Supa Tenko: The fuck is wrong with you posting that spoiler?
        Even if it is somehow mentioned in the FSN VN (I dont remember) that was clearly a dick move to post it w/o spoiler space.

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:12 amRakkyo

    Just few minute details i noticed:

    -The assassins are not using Dirks (or maybe those are Dirks but in different shape than in FSN, i have no idea).

    -Waver is holding his chopsticks wrongly (lol).

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:49 amphnx

      I just looked back at that scene. How the hell is Waver holding up his chopsticks? Does he use magic for that too?

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:32 amKayDat

        I noticed it when watching too; he might be holding it improperly, but it’s really just his middle finger moved up so it’s holding the upper chopstick differently. Different, but it still works, I tried it just now. Just remember that he isn’t actually Japanese, he’s from England.

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:19 ammistress_kisara

    Enjoyed this episode as usual. It looks like Kirei is starting to agree with Gil that Tokiomi is “boring”

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:27 amDivine

      Hmm, I forgot to say something about that. Oh well. :)

    • November 27, 2011 at 3:09 amsuff

      I don’t understand in what way is he ‘boring’ though. It sounds like he is a good mentor and lightly patted Kirei on his back when things didn’t go the way he wanted to.

      The only thing reason I can think of right now is that Tokiomi is only interested in Magic (or True Magic) – maybe he is thinking about acquiring Heaven’s Feel? That’s probably not on Kirei’s or Gilgamesh’s top priority list.

      Or that Tokiomi has the same problem as Saber and Lancer – pride. Rin in FSN often mentions the magician’s pride; maybe this is something she inherited from her father.

      • November 27, 2011 at 5:04 pmMoriae

        He’s kind of boring to a thrill-seeker as Gil is (very mismatched). All he seems to do is sit on his basement, watching candles burn and swirl his glass of wine.

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:37 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

      Primarily, I’d guess the “boring” part of Tokiomi is how he’s all about secretly manipulating things behind the scenes without really exposing himself and uses others in a similar fashion (like Kirei and Assassin). Gilgamesh, as we know from his attitude, is all about going out and proving himself superior to everyone else as the strongest, as we saw when he wanted to obliterate Berserker, when he was holding his initial attacks back, before Tokiomi forced him to withdraw.

      We already saw Kirei is also willing to go out and fight himself a couple times too, so Gilgamesh would be more interested in him than Tokiomi.

      I guess all that talk by Tokiomi about how things should be done “elegantly”, even in battle, doesn’t help either, lol.

      • November 28, 2011 at 9:19 amKentaiyoshimi

        It’s interesting to compare Tokiomi’s methods to Waver’s. Tokiomi, a first class mage, is secretly manipulating everyone to achieve his goal. On the other hand, you have Waver, supposedly a third class mage, going into the front-lines himself to achieve his objectives.

        Rider even mentions how using a simple method (Waver)to accomplish a goal is superior to a complex method (Tokiomi).

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:21 amphnx

    A very interesting episode that goes far deeper than what I expected. One of the main attraction of the Fate series has always been the usage of actual historical/mythological figures and their legends into the main story. However, this is the first time I realize just how much potential this plot element holds. In Fate/Stay Night, it was more of the “cool, their legend is represented in their strongest attacks.” For most of the servants (except Saber, obviously), that was the case. However, this episode showed me how much more this plot element is being used to its full potential in Fate/Zero. Melding Lancer’s legend into his master’s own peculiar situation (having Sola, his fiance, as a prana-source)has created an extremely compelling situation wrought by his tragedy repeating itself.

    UFOtable was able to play out this situation with the minimum amount of necessary exposition to get the point across. Though intriguing, the impact of Lancer’s curse and what it implies for him and Kayneth didn’t hit me until I read more on Diarmuid’s legend and reading that section of the Fate/Zero novel. The novel revealed more of the torment that Lancer’s going through at the moment: How his second chance is being destroyed by the same curse that let to his demise and the irony of how his only chance now of fulfilling his wish is by (reluctantly) following down the same path again.

    Unfortunately the constraints of a 20 min episode prevent this exposition from being played out, I’m impressed how UFOtable handled this part without going into long-winded introspection, which, while interesting, is boring to watch. But I’m more impressed (than I already am) by just how well-constructed the story of Fate/Zero is. They somehow made, Kayneth, a secondary character, go from a cocky bastard that the audience wants dead to tragic figure whose ultimate demise may come from the same exact thing that caused his servant’s demise. The 16 pages that I read told me so much more about Lancer’s character than any one episode can possibly show. I will continue to look forward to this side-plot with much interest since I’ve only read the novel up to this point in the series.

    tl;dr – That mole is OP.

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:25 amphnx

      Sorry, Sola is a mana source for maintaining Lancer, not prana. I get the two mixed up sometimes.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:26 amDivine

        I believe they’re synonymous no?

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:43 amphnx

        I’m not too sure myself, even when I posted that. I’m not well-informed in that subject. Maybe someone would like to clarify that for me. I think my understanding is that mana is for maintaining actual magic while prana was for magecraft.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:48 amKayDat

        http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Prana
        Type-Moon wiki explains quite well, but is still somewhat confusing. From what I can see, in it’s raw state, prana is known as either mana or od: mana coming from the world, and od from within a living organism. Once this energy has gone through conversion through Magic Circuits, it is referred to as prana. This energy is measured as “units of prana”, whether it’s current state is mana or od.
        From what I can see in the story though, most of the time magical energy is referred to as “maryoku/魔力”, which could arguably be translated either way. Strictly speaking, in the Nasuverse it should be translated to prana (since mana is known as “マナ” and od as “オド”), but a translator might choose mana instead if they aren’t familiar with the Nasuverse, since it is more commonly used as the term of choice in most fantasy stories as magical energy.

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:25 amFencedude

    BTW, anyone giggle a bit when Sola-Ui threatened to cut off Kayneth’s arm?

    Team Lancer always has problems with arms, don’t they?

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:26 amDivine

      Giggle? I found that creepy.

      • November 27, 2011 at 1:32 amFencedude

        Look up what happened to Lancer’s original master in the 5th war.

        Yeah, its disturbing and creepy, but…also a little giggle-worthy, as any good bonus reference should be.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:49 amsuff

        I think it was explained in the Fate scenario in Fate/Stay Night that:

        Show Spoiler ▼

        There might be more elaboration of this in FHA? I am not too familiar with that work, however.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:52 amFencedude

        Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:59 amRakkyo

        I don’t think so though.

        Just looking at the family names, they shouldn’t be related in any way. The Fraga bloodline is said to isolate themselves at a village or something, while the Sophia-ri family is a pretty famous one.

      • November 27, 2011 at 3:03 amsuff

        Ah right. *HER*.

        I am not even sure if I want to consider FHA canon (it probably is, but I am just not willing to accept it) – because as far as I know, FHA kind of negates everything Shirou did in FSN.

      • November 27, 2011 at 10:41 amyokushi

        Eh, not really. Is 100% canon.

        Is just a Show Spoiler ▼

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:32 amfragb85

      Both F/SN Lancer and F/Z Lancer has Luck Rank E and Fate/Extra Lancer has Luck Rank D. I think its just that Lancers are always fated to be screwed in both life and their life as servants.

    • November 27, 2011 at 3:57 amR

      For the record, even if she had cut off his arm off to get the command seals, he wouldn’t have felt it. The anime didn’t make it too obvious, apparently, but Kayneth can’t feel his body thanks to what happened last episode.

      Not that it made that scene any less cringe-worthy, but still…

      • November 27, 2011 at 4:00 amsuff

        It was pretty obvious to me. Sola-Ui bent his fingers and he didn’t say “ouch” or anything like that. Kayneth is probably paralyzed neck-down now.

  • November 27, 2011 at 1:38 amDaitro

    Man, I feel bad for Lancer. He seems like such a swell guy, but it seems like he’s always surrounded by dbags. That I love how Kiritsugu is mad at Saber for her stupidity on how she handled lancer.

  • November 27, 2011 at 2:03 amJhacks

    Another great episode, can’t wait for the uncensored version. Definitely a must buy.
    And I’m already excited for the next episode, can’t wait and see what our lil’ tsundere princess Rin will add to the this epic show.

  • November 27, 2011 at 2:18 amkgfj

    Just an unimportant reference, but I like how they incorporate rider’s encouraging comment on waver’s technique (which waver himself regretfully deems as too simple and not cool enough). It seems to act like a reminder on how alexander himself solved the gordius knot.
    I guess actually most masters have something in common with their servants :)

  • November 27, 2011 at 2:22 amsuff

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    • November 27, 2011 at 2:25 amFencedude

      While this is true, its not like each test took a long time. It looked, in terms of effort once he had all his materials together, no more complex than PH Test.

      Sure, the end-point method may have been marginally faster, but not so much that just going lineally was a huge drawback.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:32 amsuff

        I would at least test A and Z first. If they are both red, there is no point to test anything in the middle.

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:56 amWiddershins

      While reducing O(n) to O(log(n)) is nice in theory, the time cost of what he was doing was minimal (thirty seconds at worst), especially compared to the time cost of collecting the samples. No need making something overly complicated; plus, he had no way of knowing for sure that that pattern would emerge and was gonna have to test most or all of them anyway.

      Computer science algorithms are great to play with but honestly what he was doing was the fastest and simplest however you look at it. Plus, it doesn’t confuse the viewers.

      • November 27, 2011 at 8:37 pmKob264

        Nice how we spent moe time in this than the actual scene.

    • November 27, 2011 at 9:11 pmFarHorizon

      If you want to analyze his approach like that … go all the way ;) Given the time already spent drawing the water, testing each sample is just a constant factor & doesn’t change the order at all.

  • November 27, 2011 at 2:24 amSeishun Otoko

    I agree that it’s not Kiritsugu’s job to save the children. Caster would have to be taken care of eventually but it makes more strategic sense to get rid of Kayneth & Lancer first while he’s weakened. Plus, Caster has his eyes set on Saber anyway so he’ll come looking for her soon enough.

  • November 27, 2011 at 2:31 amsuff

    By the way, if I am not mistaken, Kirei’s voice was in the preview, too? if so, then I think next episode Kirei may give Rin a dagger, because we know in FSN that:

    Show Spoiler ▼

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:36 amFencedude

      Ass Dagger!

    • November 27, 2011 at 2:48 amRakkyo

      Nah, too soon.

  • November 27, 2011 at 3:22 amYalvyn

    Never expect amimated quality to be worse than this.

    Still, for the plotful episode like this one, its exceptable though.

    • November 27, 2011 at 4:50 amtokiNA

      I really hope it doesn’t get any worse – characters out of proportion(esp. Lancer, Sola-Ui, Waver), re-used footage (Archer), cheesy camera movements (Waver and Rider’s exit scene)…

  • November 27, 2011 at 3:23 amYalvyn

    dang.

  • November 27, 2011 at 3:58 amoutcast

    Dude needs a band aid on his mole. Would’ve saved him a ton of trouble.

    • November 27, 2011 at 5:16 amKichiku

      Easier said than done, I’d say. He’d need something similar to Shiki Tohnos glasses, after all…

      • November 27, 2011 at 8:23 pmMichiko

        Medusa had that visor thing to block her Mystic Eyes of Petrification. Maybe Lancer here could use a mask of the same material to cover that part of his face?

    • November 27, 2011 at 8:33 pmAizen

      I wonder if he ever thought of using his spears to pluck it out.

    • November 28, 2011 at 12:08 amkuld

      Or a helmet.

    • November 29, 2011 at 3:20 amdaitro

      or a paper bag

  • November 27, 2011 at 4:21 amHitsuzen

    Okay, does anyone by any chance know the name of the song being played by the Orchestra in the background right at the start of the episode?

    I’ve tried looking through the OST and I have had no luck figuring out name of the piece. It’s an awesome tune, does anyone know the name?

  • November 27, 2011 at 5:06 amKinny Riddle

    Wonder if Team Rider’s accidental discovery of Team Assassin’s secret will lead to Team Archer hunting them down per Tokiomi’s orders?

    Kayneth is an arrogant and stuck-up prick, that much we can probably all agree on, though even then he must be given some sympathy for not only losing his magical powers completely (more or less), his wife has decided to dump him for his Servant (pun intended).

    Poor Lancer is now watching history repeat itself once again.

  • November 27, 2011 at 5:13 amoss

    Kayneth became such a wuss without his magic, lol
    talk about being dependent on something your whole life

    • November 27, 2011 at 5:18 amsuff

      It would be curious if he meets Waver again, wouldn’t it?

      Heck, maybe Waver will save Kayneth in a future episode; after that Kayneth will apologize for what he said during Waver’s class. I think that will be a good conclusion for Waver’s involvement in the Holy Grail War.

      • November 27, 2011 at 5:21 amRakkyo

        Then again, Urobuchi is not known for creating such good endings hahaha.

      • November 27, 2011 at 11:38 amSuppa Tenko

        Fate of whatever you’re talking about *heavy spoilers*
        Show Spoiler ▼

  • November 27, 2011 at 5:29 amhikari

    Oh…please,knowing it’s gen who write the story/novel, that’s definetely not going to happen,believe me^-^the only “happy ending” story that he wrote so far is Madoka Magica anyway^^

    • November 27, 2011 at 6:14 amKinny Riddle

      Fate Zero is a prequel, and as we all know, most prequels end in a somewhat dark note, or the story proper could not have ended in an upbeat note, i.e. we all know the story’s gonna end in tragedy, or Shirou would not have been motivated to become a “Hero of Justice” or even have a world to save come F/SN since there would have been no despair to begin with.

      So I guess Urobuchi could afford to have some leeway here on how Fate Zero would end. :)

  • November 27, 2011 at 5:30 amsuff

    Oh guys. I noticed something.

    Sola-Ui swore to Lancer that she will bring Kayneth the Holy Grail as HIS WIFE.

    Maybe I am reading too much into it, but doesn’t that mean once she “divorce” him, she no longer has to keep her oath?

    • November 27, 2011 at 5:38 amkylone

      Nope, it’s the other way around, and Sola-Ui loses her “right” to command Lancer if she “divorces” Kayneth.

      • November 27, 2011 at 5:58 amsuff

        But the fact that she has the Command Spells means that Sola-Ui can still control Lancer.

      • November 27, 2011 at 7:18 amYanDaMan263

        She can only give 2 absolute orders. If the servant doesnt agree with the master, Sola cant do anything about it without using command seals. Thats why servants like Gilgamesh is considering jumping ship when hes not happy with his master while servants like Saber endures it because of her knight’s honor.

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:30 amsuff

        Maybe one Command Spell Show Spoiler ▼

        session is all she wanted. Haha.

    • November 27, 2011 at 5:14 pmMoriae

      The funniest part is that they aren’t married yet, just engaged. So technically, she isn’t his wife.

  • November 27, 2011 at 6:37 amMasterDragonKnight

    Nice yandere face there, right?

    Almost like with Mirai Nikki.

    • November 27, 2011 at 7:11 amnagi

      Got that Mirai Nikki feel too, although of course it’s blasphemy to even think of comparing her to a certain goddess ;)

  • November 27, 2011 at 7:15 amYanDaMan263

    Well Divine I think Saber trusted Lancer because she probably realized from their battle (and how he saved her from Berserker) that Lancer is also a knight who follows the knights code of honor like her, so he likely wouldnt have betrayed her unless another command seal was used on him.

    Even if she did suspect betrayal, Lancer did come to her aid and saved her again from caster’s demons so her code of honor probably made her feel obligated to let Lancer go.

    With that said, Rider definitely stole the show, again with his charisma. He got pants hurray, and he fearlessly charges into Caster’s lair while bulldozing hundreds of demons that gave Saber and Lancer trouble so effortlessly on his chariot was priceless. He also killed an assassin effortlessly by just chucking a knife at him, that was boss.

    The end of the episode seems to be foreshadowing Kirei’s betrayal to Tokiomi very soon, as he clearly didnt like Tokiomi’s orders to keep watching instead of whatever his plan was. The flashback scene of what Gilgamesh said to him pretty much further foreshadows it and telling us what hes thinking at that moment.

    • November 27, 2011 at 7:32 amsilv

      well, that is definitely how saber would argue her position. but she’s wrong in this case. it doesn’t matter what lancer thinks. what if kayneth was still standing when he arrived? one command spell from him and kiritsugu would be dead.

      from a strategic point of view, that was a major, MAJOR stab in the back. you can’t just let your opponents gang up against one of your own when you don’t even know the situation.

      BUT- everything turned out alright i guess. if saber hadn’t done that iri would be dead. so yeah…luck.

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:07 amSilent Minstrel

        Agreed. Being honorable and being dumb are two different matters, after all.

      • November 27, 2011 at 2:56 pmYanDaMan263

        Yeah I get what you’re saying and I agree it was dumb. I was simply explaining it from Saber’s perspective for Divine, doesnt mean I agree with Saber’s choice =p

  • November 27, 2011 at 7:20 amnagi

    Ah~ a breathe of fresh air after watching an episode/series with an EXCELLENT plot development, not like that certain ongoing series which just keeps on throwing eye-candies to make up for the plot ;)

    I was SOOOOOOOO nervous when Rider and Waver plunged in to Caster’s hideout, heightened to the extremes when the Assassins arrived. I really thought they’re gonna die there. Fortunately they won’t, actually in the end they’ll steamroll all the other Servants, win the war with a BANG and get the Grail!!! (nah that’s just me loving the duo so much).

  • November 27, 2011 at 8:23 amZero

    “Won’t won’t?”

  • November 27, 2011 at 8:47 amdimasok

    Sometimes I have to hold my tongue when I red the impressions here knowing perfectly well what happens from reading the novels :)

    On a sidenote, I was disappointed that they didn’t really show the scene of carnage at Castle’s hideout… since this is a pretty graphic anime, I anticipated as much of that scene as well even if children are involved… and yet even the mighty Japanese were unable to show anything of the sort….

    • November 27, 2011 at 9:02 pmKosmos

      Just wait until the uncensored BD set, my friend. Then you’ll get to see ufotable’s take on Gen’s horrifically detailed imagination!

  • November 27, 2011 at 8:48 amZaku Fan

    Much talky this episode
    Lancer = guy screwed by fate and his mole
    Rider = Waver’s father figure
    Waver = growing up and not a bad person
    Kiritsugu = ruled by the head
    Saber = ruled by the heart

    • November 27, 2011 at 1:43 pmSpark

      It’s really not a surprise. Lancer has been teased and bullied since Fate/Stay night. He also gets picked on with in Carnival Phantasm. Best of luck to Lancer…

      • November 28, 2011 at 6:03 amKinny Riddle

        Ah, Carnival Phantasm, of course. That other great Type/Moon adaptation.

        The production team there has seemed to enjoy taking the piss on poor Lancer lately, killing him off as frequently as Kenny McCormick of South Park (in the early seasons). lol

  • November 27, 2011 at 9:50 amNerra

    I’m with you on this Divine, I really don’t want to see Rider get killed off, and I’m dreading it.
    On another note I’m particularly interested in the fact that Kayneth saw Lancer’s past as a dream, which reminded me of when Shirou used to see Saber’s past in his dreams, and made me wonder whether this sort of thing is common between Master and Servant, or does it only work when the Master is rather injured?

    • November 27, 2011 at 10:13 amGilgamesh92

      It’s natural to see dreams of your servant. Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 27, 2011 at 10:19 amsuff

        Not to mention Shirou saw many of Saber’s dreams. That’s how the plot advanced in Fate.

      • November 27, 2011 at 9:42 pmNerra

        Ah yes now I remember. I had also forgotten about Shirou sharing dreams with Saber when he was not injured since I have trouble remember when Shirou wasn’t injured during Fate/stay night. XD Thanks for clearing it up.

    • November 27, 2011 at 11:41 amSuppa Tenko

      Rider goes out like the badass he is.
      Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 27, 2011 at 11:56 amrasone0104

        iirc Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 27, 2011 at 12:18 pmGilgamesh92

        I think this is what I’m looking forward to most in fate/zero.

      • November 27, 2011 at 7:03 pmKixmachina

        probably one of the most heart rending parts in Fate/Zero… :(

  • November 27, 2011 at 11:59 amrasone0104

    the only thing that sucks about this episode is that it reminded me that the second half will be delayed til spring T>T
    oh and does anyone think that this first half will end with either
    Show Spoiler ▼

  • November 27, 2011 at 12:17 pmGilgamesh92

    Rin is coming in the next episode, nothing can be better then that.

  • November 27, 2011 at 4:54 pmMoriae

    It’s clearer in the manga adaptation. Saber sworn to Iris she’ll protect her over her blade.

    • November 27, 2011 at 4:55 pmMoriae

      I meant to @ Heath with this :(

  • November 27, 2011 at 8:08 pm0927123

    Just watched this EP, BRO-SKANDER is epic! He’s a real bro to Waver.

  • November 27, 2011 at 8:32 pmduqs

    Funny thing though, Diamuid never touched Grainne sexually. According to legend, it was grainne who was ummm aggressive that she sometimes teases diarmuid that water trickling down her legs is more playful than him.

  • November 27, 2011 at 11:46 pmalabaster

    Fionn looks like lord Lebellond from the manga Ubel Blatt

    • November 28, 2011 at 3:09 amsuff

      God I remember that manga. It has some of the ‘hottest’ scenes XD

  • November 28, 2011 at 5:38 am1Lau

    Fate Zero is truly one of the best this year.

  • November 28, 2011 at 10:44 amZleihsh

    I can not wait for, no sure if this is a spoiler,so Show Spoiler ▼

    Hahaha, it will be Soooooo funney XD XD!

    • November 29, 2011 at 6:10 amLanka

      I am so waiting for that part too, it will be so epic xD

  • November 28, 2011 at 4:44 pmSuppa Tenko

    Just finished reading Fate/Zero and I am wondering, how is it possible for the anime to capture the epicness of the last two volumes in words? Right now we’re halfway through with volumes 2.

    • November 28, 2011 at 6:55 pmRakkyo

      Apparently that is why they’re taking a season off in between.
      If they can indeed capture the epicness and the emotions of the last 2 volumes, this anime will go down in legends i swear.

    • November 28, 2011 at 7:49 pmKob264

      I am only worried of the 4th novel, I am shure they’ll have to cut things to make it all fit in the limited time.

      • November 28, 2011 at 8:03 pmSuppa Tenko

        Well Wikipedia says its a 2 cour series.

        Show Spoiler ▼

    • November 29, 2011 at 6:09 amLanka

      I was wondering about that too.. I just finished reading it as well. The last 2 volumes were just so epic… I mean I have a lot of faith in Ufotable but it’s a lot to take up. I was crying at some of the scenes… so I hope they capture those parts well. Especially how Saber’s seiyuu will act in certain parts. Oh there are the drama cds I guess …

      • November 29, 2011 at 2:46 pmSuppa Tenko

        I know right? I felt like crying every 3 chapters in the last 2 volumes.
        Show Spoiler ▼

    • November 29, 2011 at 10:26 pmboingman

      Interesting. How about you go discuss how great the last two novels are somewhere else? I fear that at one point someone will once again forget to use the spoiler function.

      Was Lancer beheaded in his past life? Looks like it in that scene in the begining.

      • November 30, 2011 at 12:04 amMichiko

        In the Fate/zero novels, it doesn’t exactly give all the details on Lancer’s death, except that he feels there’s an unsettling parallel to how a woman’s love for him was ultimately his undoing.

        In the myth… Show Spoiler ▼

  • December 1, 2011 at 8:23 amYukipon

    Can’t wait for the next battle with Berserker.

  • December 1, 2011 at 9:16 amGhostalker

    I like how this new Fate is tackling the other servants and masters past, it adds depth and extra dimension to the series. When Fate/ZERO started I only cared about the servant that matters to me most in the previous Fate/Stay Night and Unlimited Blade Works which is Saber, but this time around I started to care for the other servants and masters, well done….