Random Curiosity

Naruto 622 – First Meeting »« Naruto 620 – The Crossroads of Destruction

Naruto 621 – The Guidance of Fate

Every once in awhile, you’ll get a chapter that’s just pretty straight forward — one where there just ain’t much to talk about for the most part. And well, after a string of pretty notable chapters, we get one of those this week.

Continuing off from the previous chapter, the first Hokage continues his flashback to his fight with Madara (as well as his first meeting with him). And for the most part, it ends up as expected — filled with ridiculous techniques, devastating attacks, and overall insanity befitting a fight involving ninja of their caliber. To say the least, most of the chapter was just spent going “holy crap” — for lack of a better term — because that’s pretty much all one can say. The scope of their power, the scale of the fight, and the devastation they wrecked with every move… just some crazy stuff.

In the end though, sadly, that was pretty much it. We don’t get much else here this week — aside from a slightly interesting emphasis on how friendly Madara and the first Hokage were — and I guess that’s pretty much it for this chapter as a result.

February 20, 2013 at 8:41 am
  • February 20, 2013 at 8:49 amDestiny-

    10 tails is too mainstream, so he used 1000. badass harashima, looking forward to the flashback on how they met.

    • February 20, 2013 at 11:51 amNatsu

      so basically…their just retelling naruto and sasukes story again..

      • February 20, 2013 at 12:25 pmNadester

        More like Naruto and Sasuke is reliving their stories. Which hardly compares since Madara and Harishima were 10 times more badass.

      • February 20, 2013 at 1:14 pmK C M

        Sometimes history tends to repeat itself.

      • February 20, 2013 at 1:59 pmre

        i swear if madara goes evil because he was in love with Mito Uzumaki and she picked hashirama over him…

      • February 20, 2013 at 10:02 pmleesigh3

        Naruto and sasuke reliving + Jiraiya and Orochimaru reliving + kakashi and obito reliving. I’m tired of young friends turning into adult rivals!!!

      • February 21, 2013 at 11:24 amSmith

        Don’t you mean the flashback is having a flashback ….?

    • February 20, 2013 at 2:18 pmply

      Nah, Madara goes evil once his puppy dies.

      • February 20, 2013 at 9:32 pmDarrell

        I think Madara went nuts when he lost Izuna in a battle(wich woke his mangyeko sharingan) then took his eyes since he was dead and felt bad that he couldnt protect his brother so he wished to become stronger. Then decided to make peace with hashirama in exchange that they would train together so he (madara) can get stronger. That’s why when Hashirama said I thought we were friends, he responded: “I’m already at the top!”. And madara was probably jealous because as a hokage, Hashirama never had time to battle him or train with him. So he wanted to battle him at all costs and prove or test his strength. That’s a possibility right?

      • February 21, 2013 at 11:50 pmSOSAnimeBoy

        Are you saying at that young age he already had eternal mangekyou sharingan? I seriously doubt it.

    • February 21, 2013 at 12:42 amChos

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:04 amNadester

    Now this is a back story I’m actually interested in seeing.

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:09 amFelipe

    Oh great!! A flashback within another flashback

    • February 20, 2013 at 9:22 amMisk


      • February 20, 2013 at 11:26 amSortedevaras

        Sup dawg, I herd you like flashbacks, so we put flashbacks in your flashbacks so you can remember stuff while you remember stuff.

      • February 20, 2013 at 12:49 pmMagoiichi

        Back to the Flashback >>>

    • February 20, 2013 at 1:15 pmK C M

      It’s a little shakespearean.

    • February 20, 2013 at 2:38 pmshadowalker

      Next chapter they’ll show Harishima’s and Madara’s parents looking at them from a distance and remembering their own childhood…….hmph, that works.

    • February 20, 2013 at 2:41 pmAnanas

      Let’s go deeper.

    • February 20, 2013 at 5:23 pmNanashi

      This week on “How I met your Hokage”

      Naruto (from the future)is recalling a flashback of the time Sasuke asked the 1st about a flashback of when “it all started,” and also witnessed a flashback of the time when the 1st met Madara.

      I seriously have no problems with flashbacks, just reminded me of that long-running How I met your Mother lol.

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:10 amLoo2

    This is why I felt Madara was simply playing with Naruto, a monstrous combonation will be made if susanoo is used on the ten tails; I am wondering more on why Madara isn’t using any Genjutsu on Hashirama, did the guy had some immunity to it?

    Strange, I feel like Madara and Hashima must had a third friend. Much like Kakashi and Obito, then that third friend died. The author does like making history repeat itself.

    • February 20, 2013 at 9:35 amFSLightbringer

      My guess is that’s Madara’s brother… if my eyes don’t deceive me with that third black-cloak figure beside them.

    • February 20, 2013 at 5:13 pmKarmafan

      The author seems to like cycles. We have Naruto (hero), Sasuke (former friend and now villian), and Sakura (love interest). A generation or two back we have Jirayah (hero), Orochimaru (former friend and now villian), and Tsunade (love interest). Would NOT surprise me if they (Madera and Hokage) had a female in the picture that they fought over.

      • February 20, 2013 at 7:33 pmshadowalker

        Actually neither Naruto and Sasuke nor Jirayah and Orochimaru fought because of a love interest, they had entirely different reasons for the fights.And Tusnade wasn’t romantically interested in Jirayah or Orochimaru, same goes for Sasuke,Jirayah and Orochimaru.Only Naruto was interested in Sakura and Sakura in Sasuke.But otherwise, true, it does seem to go in cycles of three.

      • February 20, 2013 at 7:47 pmKarmafan

        Jiriyah was in love with Tsunade and she had no interest in him. Naruto was/is in love with Sakura and she had no interest in him. I did not mean it to look like there are multiple love triangles. Just that Jirayah and Naruto had feelings for girls that did not return those feelings.

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:15 amGermanguy

    Well, nice Flashback. But, we already know how Won. So, what we have here is only “How”. so 50% less “curios”

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:34 amgawrshness

    Ahhh so that answers the question, how do you beat Madara? Easy you summon something EVEN bigger than his biggest.

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:34 amMarkBadong

    Ah yes. Madara, Obito and Sasuke. Uchihas who started off as happy go lucky kids sharing a bond with someone then growing up to become hateful, world loathing, overpowered freaks who become rivals to the death with their old friend.

    Except Sasuke still sucks.

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:39 amTasa

    Can’t wait to see this chapter in anime form. Although I hope the anime does not make it look like when naruto went six tails on pain.

  • February 20, 2013 at 10:39 amDa5id

    OF COURSE Madara and Hashirama met as kids! Because it’s not like eternal rivalries can start unless you’ve known that person your entire life, right?

  • February 20, 2013 at 10:48 amcaramel_cod

    I like the First’s logic.
    Just summon Buddha. That’ll work.

    • February 20, 2013 at 3:33 pmNanashi

      Buddha with a few thousand palms. Hmmm wonder what jutsu starts in the palm…

      Madara may have sliced a few mountains, but the 1st will carve a whole valley with a few thousand Rasengan lol.

      • February 21, 2013 at 5:29 pmDeleteJX

        I dont think so about the Rasengan’s because if i’m well informed (if not, feel free to correct me) Rasengan was created in the Era of the Fourth Hokage by the Fourth Hokage by studying the Tailed Beast Bomb.
        Nevertheless I’m intrested in seeing what the Buddha is capable off

  • February 20, 2013 at 10:55 amrasone0104

    At least with this chapter we could some what conclude that by saying that the Senju inherited the “body” of the sage it might mean the innate ability of affinity to be one with Nature and turn into a Sage as the first showed.

    • February 21, 2013 at 10:54 amTez

      That’s not sage mode, it’s the strored chakra release jutsu that Tsunade uses.

      • February 21, 2013 at 12:24 pmrasone0104

        oh yes it’s not like he said senpo when he used his buddah attack.. oh wait…

  • February 20, 2013 at 11:11 amHalfDemonInuyasha

    Not really much to say given, as mentioned, it was pretty straightforward.

    All I can say is what I said last time in that this is actually interesting and we’re finally getting some backstory and information that we lacked for so long.

  • February 20, 2013 at 11:19 amB_Mack

    im actually disappointed in todays comments on the chapter. to me the simplicity of putting these two behemoths together since childhood can really stir up some crazy stories. It also makes you think if all the senju and uchiha rivalries are like this. And for them to know each other at a young age wouldn’t that mean that the senju and uchiha clans live close to each other. seems really odd for two clans who would stop at nothing to destroy each other.

    • February 20, 2013 at 8:45 pmshadowalker

      Don’t be unreasonable, how do you expect them to try to kill each other on a daily basis if they’re far away from each other – the two village leaders probably thought of the effort and expense put on traveling and decided to become neighbors till one side killed the other. :P
      But I do agree with you to a point hopefully these things will be clarified in the next chapter.

  • February 20, 2013 at 11:20 amAnanas

    Hashirama’s Wrath.

    And another flashback inside a flashback…

  • February 20, 2013 at 12:20 pmal

    Is madara fighting with MS or MSE ?

  • February 20, 2013 at 12:36 pmYanDaMan

    So basically Harashima and Madara are like a perfect reflection of Naruto and Sasuke in the past, and history is replaying itself, sort to speak? Thats the impression I got. They used to be friends and now they are fighting to the death over ideals.

    • February 20, 2013 at 1:50 pmK C M

      Well Duh, I got that impression since Tobi/Obito told Naruto the story of the Elder and the Younger Sons of the Six Paths Sage when their Father’s decision caused them to fight since the Elder Son chose power as the road to peace and the Younger Son chose love over power, as the road to peace. So you see history has been repeating itself since the days of the SOTSP( Sage Of The Six Paths )and started with the two sons ideals and the cursed fate of the two sons have taken over Hashirama and Madara and it will take over Naruto and Sasuke.

  • February 20, 2013 at 1:14 pmNanashi

    As many expected, lots of parallels with Naruto/Sasuke. I think this back-story sets up a Sasuke redemption, where rather than following an all-consuming path for power and revenge (much like Orochi/Jiriya), Sasuke will do some major sacrifice down the line. Maybe along the lines of “I need to seal the 10 tails in another dimension but I have to stay there myself” etc. Obviously Madara will get owned in the flashback, with 1000 hands slap to the face.

  • February 20, 2013 at 1:39 pmK C M

    Something tells me that we will get to see how Hashirama really died and I bet it is linked to how Madara Uchiha awakened the Rinnegan. I’m suggesting that if your best friend dies or if you kill him you awaken the MS( Mangekyou Sharingan ) and if you take the eyes of your sibling you make the MS eternal ( ie EMS ) so what’s the condition for awakening the Rinnegan. My guess is that if you kill the one person that means more to you besides your brother or your family and that one person is willing to save an Uchiha from the dark path that the Sharingan leads them to ( because the Sharingan as described by Tobimaru is what makes the Uchiha a cursed clan when they lose their loved ones ). Hashirama tried his best to persuade Madara to change his ways just like Naruto is trying to persuade Sasuke. Hashirama may have been killed by Madara so that He( Madara ) would get the Rinnegan and if Sasuke learns that then He will obviously want to kill Naruto even more to get it.

    • February 20, 2013 at 2:34 pmshadowalker

      Not sure if the Rinnegan works on the same logic as the Sharingan(s), Nagato had it since birth – the conditions for achieving it might be different.

      • February 20, 2013 at 8:06 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        Only because Madara apparently, literally, somehow gave his own eyes to him.

      • February 20, 2013 at 9:25 pmshadowalker

        Rechecked, your right, my mistake, but the conditions for achieving Rinnegan can still be different, for instance you need Senju DNA combined with Sharingan to do it, but I’m guessing that’s only part of the story.

    • February 20, 2013 at 3:29 pmNanashi

      Hmm, I recall when Madara entered the battle and went Rinnegan, there was mention about how he was not able to use it when he attained it. (I will have to go back and re-read). Anyway, is it not possible he attained it at some point slightly before, or during the Tobi flash back? He was on “life support” and therefore could not have used the Rinnegan abilities.

      • February 20, 2013 at 8:07 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        He only mentions that he awoke it “shortly before he died”, something along those lines and, of course, from the flasbacks, he clearly had it while he was still alive and hooked to the Gedo in order to keep his chakra going.

  • February 20, 2013 at 1:44 pmLaughingMan

    A flashback within a flashback? That’s just bad writing. It’s like saying “I remember the time when I remembered the time when this happened.” Fucking stupid. At least the artwork’s good.

    • February 20, 2013 at 6:21 pmDualash

      I don’t really think its a flashback in a flashback since one flashback is about Harashima and Madara’s past as friends while the first flashback is an anecdote where the two people are fighting but it doesn’t introduce the second flashback but kind of leaves the first one to pause.

      Also a flashback in a flashback is actually not a bad technique in writing as in Hamlet, it uses a story in a story or a play in a play. Even in the Simpson (Season 17 Episode 13) Lisa Simpson’s story is a story with a story.

      *My comment is kind of random, but I just wanted to put it out because I can see why you would disagree with the structure of the chapter, but the technique a good way to add depth and plot

  • February 20, 2013 at 1:50 pmDivineJimmy

    They were friends but the ninja way turned them to WAR!!!

  • February 20, 2013 at 3:24 pmNanashi

    You know, it never sat well with me how the 2nd died (buying time so that the 3rd’s group can get clear). Previous chapters established he was hax-tier, a teleporter like the 4th etc. How can a group of no-name ninjas take him down.

    Now we see a battle with the 1st vs. Madara. We all know the 1st will win. So what has to happen to defeat the 1st?? During another flashback we saw the 1st and 2nd with Tsunade so we can assume he lives for quite some time after his Madara battle.

    Anyway my point is that I would be saddened to read if the 1st got killed in a lame manner. Kishi does an excellent job building the previous generation(s), he should be careful with how he gets rid of them.

    • February 20, 2013 at 5:19 pmKarmafan

      Maybe the 1st choked and died on a fishbone?

      • February 20, 2013 at 5:27 pmNanashi

        But…But…he basically invented Medical Ninjitsu!

      • February 20, 2013 at 5:58 pmDualash

        I don’t remember him inventing medical jutsu, but if he did, medical jutsu won’t help him if he’s choking since its not an injury XD

      • February 20, 2013 at 6:36 pmNanashi

        Haha well put, but yes, somewhere in the character data books, whether canon or not, it stated he could do medical techniques without seals. Not a far stretch since Tsunade is of the same specialty.

  • February 20, 2013 at 4:07 pmichigoat


    i’m glad the battle didn’t end up like this one here. i was pretty sure their fight had been more than what was originally shown in the video.

  • February 20, 2013 at 6:18 pm†Croos†

    And so the war and feud between shinobi began because of a “stone throwing” game.

  • February 20, 2013 at 7:30 pmbirldog

    I can’t wait how this chapter rolls
    Flashback, yes we know that Hashirama won but there was this statement of Madara where he says he let Hashirama win intentionally sa that he can get to Hashirama’s cells and also acquire the Rinnegan in the process

    Will Hashirama fans be disappointed in the next chapters to come learning that Madara is actually superior to Hashirama?
    Or will Kishi come up with a “Hashirama was also just holding back to preserver world peace and to preserve the landscape blah blah blah”

    • February 20, 2013 at 9:10 pmMatthew

      Well who could possibly doubt a statement by Madara that he totally let Hashirama win? He would surely never lie about something like that out of ego.

      • February 21, 2013 at 2:05 amOh

        So far Madara has not lied about anything.

  • February 20, 2013 at 7:45 pmTingster013

    Madara:” I always hated you because you won me at stone throwing. I HATE YOU!!!”

  • February 20, 2013 at 9:59 pmHalcyon

    I’m surprised that people forgot about the Valley of the End fight between Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke commented on how it was ironic that he and Naruto are now enemies and I think made a reference to Madara and Hashirama.

    That also reminds me to keep a look out of how this battle will end, since it supposedly is the site of that very battle between Naruto and Sasuke.

  • February 20, 2013 at 10:59 pmKuro

    Great chapter show casing their powers. Looks like the first Hokage can enter sage mode without any problems and he doesn’t need to stay still to do it. I see now why they call the first Hokage God of the Shinobi. Thousands of Buddha hands. That was huge. I hope the 1st pull that move out on the battlefield. I look forward to the next chapter.

  • February 21, 2013 at 3:16 amDigid

    Hokage used B*tch Slap no Jutsu

    It’s Super Effective!

    Flashbacks – the source of Kishimoto’s life force

  • February 21, 2013 at 10:10 amSpucka

    I think the 1st survives
    Madara was using the kyubi, and we know that Hashirama wife was the first Host of kyubi
    And still was its host when Naruto’s mom was a teen

    I got a theory that maybe only members of Uzumaki clan can be hosts of the more powerfull tailed beasts, because the nature and strengh of their Chakras, maybe the Uzumaki are also descendants of the sage of six paths body of fire

  • February 22, 2013 at 12:42 amSOSAnimeBoy

    OMG I just realized that young Hashirama looks like young Gai sensei. LOL

  • February 23, 2013 at 8:44 pmMikeHawk

    Madara: I’m already at the TOP

    Hashirama: I’M COMING MADARA!!

    Madara: COME HASHIRAMA!!!