CODE GEASS R2 – 20
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Summary:
Still standing inside the crater left by the FREIJA, Suzaku is joined by Nina who is finally realizing what a horrible thing she caused. Suzaku drives home the point that she killed a lot of people, but he also calls it a big success and thinks that it’ll bring victory to Britannia. Meanwhile, Lelouch is reasoning that since the Emperor didn’t go to Tokyo even though he came to Area 11, the Emperor’s goal is something else: the ruins of Kaminejima. The Emperor is in fact here because it’s the best spot to let him synchronize all the ruins around the world and make use of the Sword of Akasha again. In connection with this, Anya has another painful reaction, but this time, her eyes glow red, and she pays a visit to C.C. on the Ikaruga afterwards. Anya comments on how it’s been a long time since they’ve met directly, and when C.C. doesn’t recognize her, Anya enters the World of C. There, she finds C.C.’s real personality just sitting around, and – so that C.C. will recognize her – Anya transforms herself into Marianne. C.C. thinks that Marianne is so worried about Lelouch that she came here, but Marianne denies it and wonders if C.C. felt she was such an ideal mother. Marianne’s reason for being here is because she wanted to know if C.C. was still their ally, and she questions why C.C sealed off her own Code since Charles would have been able to grant her wish to die. After C.C. admits that she doesn’t know, Marianne suggests that they have to find out, and she reveals that she’s always messing with C.C. as gratitude for C.C. giving her Geass. In response, C.C. notes that Marianne didn’t fulfill their contract, and Marianne then proposes going off somewhere together.
Elsewhere on the Ikaruga, Cornelia is asking Villetta what she plans to do, but Villetta isn’t sure. Cornelia’s advice is that there’s more to the world than just a title of nobility. At around this same time, Diethard is trying to convince the other Black Knight leaders that they should announce that Zero was killed in action. Diethard feels that even if the real Zero reappeared, no one has any way of proving that he’s real since a masked hero is just a symbol. Lelouch meanwhile calls up Rivalz to check on everything at school, and he wants his friend to tell Milly that he won’t be able to keep the promise of enjoying fireworks with everyone. He’s determined to defeat his father, though he’s relatively unaware of how his father has actually already synchronized all of the Geass ruins and proclaimed the beginning of Ragnarok. By now, Schneizel and the Black Knights have gone forward with telling the media about their ceasefire agreement, and the Black Knights further reveal that Zero is dead. This is met with disbelief by many, including Jeremiah who demands to see Zero’s face, but Ougi avoids any conflict by putting off doing that for now. Kallen isn’t happy that they’re treating Zero as disposable after he got them this far, but Ougi feels that it was Zero who did exactly that to them by deceiving them about Geass.
Onboard the Avalon, Gino, Cecile, and Lloyd are taking some recreation time when Suzaku comes by to ask about the Lancelot Albion. It’s almost ready, but Lloyd doesn’t want to hand it over to Suzaku right now, especially after Suzaku tries to order him to. Cornelia and Schneizel interrupt this conversation, and when Cornelia asks about Guilford, they reveal that he’s missing. Schneizel tries to praise Guilford’s service, but Suzaku takes responsibility for firing the FREIJA and claims that such merit is needed to become the Knight of One. Suzaku realizes now that he’s been naive and had valued ideals and aesthetics even though he had said that the means was more important than the result. He wants Schneizel to make him the Knight of One, and since only the Emperor can do that, Schneizel decides to try to take that role. As part of his explanation on why he’s willing to do this, Schneizel talks about how the Emperor saw the war with the Black Knights as a mundane affair and how the Emperor was completely absorbed in dangerous research. Schneizel feels that his father treats war and politics like a game and thus isn’t qualified to rule, so he decides to let Suzaku go assassinate the Emperor. Gino opposes this, but Suzaku is fine with killing because what’s important to him now is the ends rather than the means.
With this, Suzaku quickly tracks the Emperor down to Kaminejima and accuses him of two sins: abandoning his duties as a ruler and being involved with Geass. Suzaku believes that Geass brings out the evil in people, and he thinks that the Emperor could have saved Euphemia. Unfortunately for him, Bismarck appears and protects the Emperor, allowing the Emperor to go into the ruins while Bismarck handles Suzaku. The Geass effect that Lelouch put on Suzaku urges him to run away, but he resists and tries to fight. Bismarck easily knocks him down though and is about to kill him when a nearby explosion interrupts them. This explosion was courtesy of Lelouch who had just arrived on the island, and he’s created some chaos amongst the Britannian forces by using his Geass power to turn some of them against the others. Worried about what’s going on, Schneizel tries to excuse himself from a meeting with Kaguya and the other Black Knight leaders so that he can personally go to Kaminejima, but Kaguya insists on coming along because she can only think of one person who would challenge the Emperor in such a situation. Anya meanwhile arrives at Kaminejima in the Mordred and attacks Bismarck in the Galahad for supposedly taking part in the coup d’état. When Bismarck tells her that she’s mistaken, Anya pretends to believe him and uses the damage incurred from their brief skirmish as an excuse to land on the island. Anya had been acting all along because she knew that she didn’t have time to explain things to Bismarck, and she had figured that he wouldn’t suspect her if she suspected him first. Riding with her in the Mordred is C.C., and Anya wonders aloud if she should save Lelouch.
By this point, Lelouch has entered the place where the remains of the Sword of Akasha are. He finds his father addressing a pair of twisting pillars so he interrupts to say that his father won’t be settling things with the gods but rather with him. The Emperor remains confident because he knows nothing can kill him, but Lelouch’s plan is to seal off the exits and trap them there. Doing so means that they can’t interfere with the real world, and that’s the same as death in this case. Lelouch sees this as a prison of the soul, and he’s ready to suffer through eternal penitence together with his father.
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So after all this time, Marianne does reappear, but it’s certainly not how or where I was expecting. I was surprised that they put the biggest plot twist of the episode near the beginning, making the end seem tame in comparison. Regardless, it seems that not only is Marianne inside of Anya (which makes me question how Marianne’s actual death worked), she was also given a Geass power from C.C. so that she could do so. That in turn implies that she’s aware of everything that’s going on, and she comes off as somewhat more devious than everyone always made her out to be. It’s not clear if she’s in cahoots with Charles or if she has her own agenda, but it’s a little worrisome that she adopts a rather flippant attitude towards saving her son. On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that she’s evil, and this could very well set us up for another revelation that Charles isn’t as bad as we might think he is. I suspect, however, that Schneizel’s probably still the one to keep an eye on since he’s likely to make a big move now that he’s decided to replace his father.
Looking past the Marianne revelation, I thought the whole latter half of the episode (especially the part with Suzaku where one minute he’s with Schneizel and the next minute he’s already attacking the Emperor) happened a bit too fast, so I still have the feeling – carried over from last week – that they might be rushing things. It doesn’t help either that the animation quality was off this week as well – it’s not horrible, but a noticeable drop when compared to recent episodes. I still don’t think that there is cause for big concern, however it’s worth noting that I’ve seen a lot this past week about how all was not well in the production department. In any case, I’m hoping the pacing will a little better next week as we head into what appears from the preview to be some deep background power-of-Geass plot stuff, with a hint of religion thrown in.
August 25, 2008 at 11:17 pmKalessin
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I ran into this interesting blog on episode 20 that I think is worth a read: http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/code-geass-r2-episode-20-mom-you-look-soyoung/ . Regardless, at least they didn’t simply copy what Omni said like some other bloggers seem to be doing.
August 25, 2008 at 11:18 pmgeorge
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btw, the official site was updated with the character sketches:
*Marianne vi Britannia
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_61.html
*Knight of Four, Dorothea Ernst
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_63.html
*Knight of Ten, Luciano Bradley aka useless piece of shit
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_59.html
*Knight of Nine, Nonette Enneagram, dammit when she will have her appearance?
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_58.html
*Knight of Twelve, Monica Kruszewski
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_60.html
*Knight of One, Bismarck Waldstein
http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_57.html
August 25, 2008 at 11:27 pmgeorge
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oh yeah, here the link for the extended preview of epi 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyE8YqrFI78
*Charles and Lelouch are sitting together then the scene changes into a library where Charlie wants to read a storybook to Lelouch—-um, never mind that
*Bismarck, bowing down in front of Schneizel…guess Schneizel changed his mind in making Suzaku the Knight of One
August 25, 2008 at 11:30 pmthe prophecy
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Also, I think marianne knew that she was going to die. she knew that her husband, whom she loved was strayed in the wrong path. maybe she accidentally found out about the Geass order and meet C.C. by coincidence. Knowing her fate to be near, she made a contract with C.C.
August 25, 2008 at 11:50 pmthe burnt shadow
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Skipping episode 21, episode 22 sounds like it might be a little tense, especially when the episode is called “Emperor Lelouch”…
August 26, 2008 at 12:22 amgeorge
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btw, the next episode titles are:
epi 23- Schneizel’s Mask
-LOL
epi 24- Sky of Damocles
-WTF is that?
epi 25- Re:
-I have no idea what that means
August 26, 2008 at 12:32 amayamin
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Oh sweet merciful muffins! C.C. (the real C.C., anyway) is not dead! Huzzah!
And…Anya=ftw?!
August 26, 2008 at 1:33 amDunames
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as for why CC seal away her own code. well it not for sure but i can guess why. as u recall, b4 her code was seal, Charles was about to take her code and make her mortal. lulu plead CC not to die like that full of regret. he told her that if she gonna die, then atleast die with a smile after her true wish come true and die with lulu not the evil emperor. at that point i’m pretty sure even if CC beg Charles not to kill her, hell do it anyway so i guess CC have no choice but to seal her code. i guess she seal it right b4 charles can take it tricking charles to believe that CC have lose her code also. pretty much CC chose Lulu over Charles with that action.
As for after CC regain her memories and she said she need to get something be she take off with Mari……i dont want to be silly but i think she went back to get her yellow stuff animal. she always with that stuff animal even when on teh battle field. i dotn think i seen her at all with teh yellow stuff animal when her code was seal but after after she regain her code and take off withe Mari, int eh copit of the Mech, u can see CC hugging her stuff animal again behind the pilot seat.
August 26, 2008 at 1:48 amleeeeeeeeelouuuuchhha huh
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Reverse Deus ex machina = plot device no jutsu
August 26, 2008 at 2:04 amKaioshin Sama
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@Kalessin: Oh my god it’s me and I’m getting a little appreciation. Nothing makes my day more then that so thank you. :)
Hmmm…yeah to be honest though I’m kind of disappointed in that one actually. I feel like I could have covered or gone over a few more things and changed the order I wrote about some topics in to make it flow better, but wanted to wait until next episode before trying to hammer out anything significant. I feel like I kind of rushed it a little just the same though.
Anyway my M.O is to avoid copying the thoughts of other bloggers whenever possible because I don’t think it adds anything to the discussion or understanding of the series for the readers. A lot of the blogosphere can feel like an echo sometimes where you see the same few comments and the same type of summary article over and over and you never learn anything new about the episode nor are you really given much insight beyond the obvious. I’ve noted this over the years prior to becoming an anime blogger and for that reason I try to be a seperate voice, even if I end up getting drowned out in the process by the masses and their popular opinion. Anything you read are thoughts I came up with on my own while watching the episode. That and I’m never afraid to break from the crowd or have diferring opinion on a subject. The price? It’s made me more then my fair share of enemies. :(
Anyway Damocles for those who are genuinely interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles
August 26, 2008 at 2:11 amSui
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@Kalessin
>If it were the cause, then that brings up the question of why the eye thing happened then. Lelouch wasn’t doing anything other than talking. C.C., on the other hand, was approaching Suzaku. She’d never been that close to him before, so I suppose that she could have had some reaction to being that close to him which made it so that Lelouch’s Geass got that extra push it needed to become too powerful to turn off. If that were the case, you could sort of blame Suzaku for Euphemia’s death – which would be wonderfully ironic – but I really think that the eye thing was a symptom that the Geass was going permanent and it was Lelouch’s condition which affected C.C. (as opposed to the other way around), so as fun as it might be, I don’t think that we can blame Suzaku.
Gosh… You reminded me that Suzaku is actually related to Geass… Didn’t the interview informed us that the original story was scrapped?? That event could be very important IF they follow the original… Though… It might still be an important turning point for the new story…
August 26, 2008 at 4:59 amBigTime
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I’m not gonna be surprised if Schneizel has his own geass and I’m still questioning Suzaku’s geass related images when he made contact with C.C.
August 26, 2008 at 5:10 amWingZero zxt
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@XenoDragon it flashed like that because marriane was in there theres still no concrete evidence to suggest that anya was ever anymore than some other nobles daughter that marriane used for her own ends! Think about it unless shes illigitamte (which was my previous theory) Millay or the Knights would have known and mentioned that she was related to lelouch in some way shape or form!
In regards to Why Lelouch Geass went haywire just as C.C. approached suzaku it has all to do with the remaining side afect of what happened when C.C. was showing Suzaku images of his past and Lelouh touched her causing them all to have issues way bck in episode 11 called the battle of narita i think (one of my favourite episdes fight scene perfection til kallen falls of edge-good times)
And actually Kallen is on par with suzaku!(though a little clumsy at times) its just being almost equally on par means that whoever has the best equipment wins so tie in s1 ep 11, kallen lost in ep s1ep24/25 etc… Albion vs Seiten cant wait!!!!!
@sui no thats not what i got from the interview! all i got was we changed certain bits to
fit in the new time slot and at the time of the interview he hadnt even finshed with R2 where did you get that from?????
August 26, 2008 at 5:12 amAkira
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Won’t it be SOOOO AWESOME If the GEASS Power’s origin is ‘Sakura’s Feathers’ !!?
Reason – Clamp. Tsubasa Chronicle – Cross Dimension – XXXHolic – Yoko
Just an OVA would be awesome!!!
Too bad Tsubasa Chronicle already made OVA for the Tokyo’s Arc or they should have made an OVA for Code Geass & Tsubasa Chronicle before Tsubasa made Tokyo’s Arc!!!
( Tokyo’s Arc is where Tsubasa become serious for those who does not know )
Love to see Tsubasa and Card Captor OVA as well but if anyone has read up to ch 183 – 197 manga, then you will know they are actually!!!!!!
August 26, 2008 at 5:12 amWingZero zxt
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ive just read Kaioshin samas blog THANKYOU !!!! i particularly like the last point where we agree! regarding the interview!!!!
August 26, 2008 at 5:18 amSailor Enlil
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@george
re Ep 24′s title, very likely a reference to the Sword of Damocles, which is a symbol of the ever present peril faced by those in power (i.e. perhaps Charles as the Emperor, or someone else high up in the ranks, will realize this peril and will be deposed of his/her position violently). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles
August 26, 2008 at 6:04 amWingZero zxt
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Akira i was gonna get into tsubasa chronicles but it wa sto much effort beyond watching the anime! Knowing the anime is child friendly ive watched the Tsubasa OVA so could i just start reading the manga from the relevant chapter (if so wat is the relevant chapter) or did i miss some important info due to the apparent lameness of the animated series up til now??
August 26, 2008 at 6:56 amThe Hand of Guren
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I hate these new character designs! The eyes are the worst! :(
August 26, 2008 at 7:17 amAkira
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Hey WingZero zxt
and
For everyone who can’t be bothered watching episodes that doesn’t affect the main storyline, I reckon you all to just watch Episode 1 & 2 of Tsubasa Chronicle anime series. Probably watch until the group leave their first world they arrived in. (NOT XXXHOLIC world)
Then you could just watch the OVA of Tsubsa Chronicle ‘Tokyo Revelations Ova ‘ (Cause that’s where everyone & main storyline turns serious )
After start reading ” Chapter 136 ” as the OVA comes to this unless they DO make something special before Season 3 of Tsubasa Chronicle. [CODE GEASS XD - wow imagine Sakura in Knightmare XD]
( = WARNINNG = this way does make some of Tsubasa Chronicle’s twist to story less affect and give not as much impact )
Cheers ^_^
August 26, 2008 at 8:01 amWingZero zxt
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Ta so all i have to do is read from 136 of the manga thanks (atleast the syaorans not a complete loser)
Also second question regardingTsubasa ( ikno its completely off topic but u is here so…)
Aside from eps 1 and 2 is the anime super different from the manga??
August 26, 2008 at 8:39 amKalessin
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@WingZero zxt
The anime and the manga are fairly close overall. Initially, it’s the same storyline with minor variations throughout. However, once they get to the point in the story where the OVA’s story occurs in the manga, the anime goes off and does its own thing on some level as I understand it (I haven’t seen past the first season yet, so I’m not 100% sure what the deal is with the tangent). The OVA contains a major plot twist that has a serious effect on the series and I guess that they wanted to postpone that in the anime. The result is that there’s some question with regards to where the part of the anime that happens past where the OVA should fit in actually fits. I think that it’s more or less officially retconned, but I’d have to verify that.
In either case, the anime and manga are fairly close overall. Personally, I really like it. I’m not sure I’d call it kiddy (it’s not Cardcaptor Sakura after all), but it’s something that kids could certainly watch. The overall storyline is rather serious, but it does a lot of stuff along the way that isn’t directly related to the main plot. As Akira points out, the main story does heat up a bit once you get past the major plot twist that’s in the OVA.
August 26, 2008 at 8:59 amWingZero zxt
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fine then so straigt to chap136 cheers
August 26, 2008 at 11:56 amKalessin
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@WingZero zxt
Personally, I would think that going straight to chapter 136 would be highly confusing and that you’d be losing out on a lot. It’s definitely the case that the major plot twist losing most of its impact that way. Still, it’s your choice.
August 26, 2008 at 12:24 pmWingZero zxt
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tut fine ill read the lot honestly… (i already spend 2 hours catching up with naruto from chapter 1 up til current (though i did it ages ago)
August 26, 2008 at 2:54 pmKalessin
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@WingZero zxt
2 hours??!! I know that it doesn’t take very long to read manga (especially when it’s action oriented), but that’s fast. I suppose it depends on how long ago “ages ago” was, but still….
August 26, 2008 at 3:29 pmKalessin
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@WingZero zxt
Also, while it’s not strictly speaking necessary, Tsubasa makes a bit more sense if you read XXXHolic at the same time. Much of what happens in both is unrelated, but the main plot of both is related, so they each make a bit more sense if you read the other as well. Of course, that’s more reading (though there aren’t as many chapters in XXXHolic), so it’s up to you. They also happen to be quite different in the types of stories that they have, so it’s quite conceivable that you like one a lot and don’t care much for the other.
August 26, 2008 at 4:13 pmWingZero zxt
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AND XXXholic?!?!? AWW Man!!!! i wouldnt be complaining if it wasnt for the fact that i have a inability to put a story down once i start reading (Hence anime Epic stories=my near undivided attention Also the reason wh despite the fact i knew it was rubbish i finished watching dragonaught at the time of airing and will probably attempt to retrieve by some means episode 26 hence the reason i said in the daily dose it was an attack on my sense of taste!)
2 hours? it may have taken four im not sure however the first part was mostly skiming ish (i also have a less prnounced inability to skim through somthing i enjoy i almost always go bck an read parts i skipped!) since it was so like the anime!!! looks like im not gonna be on Warcraft tomoz after all (dont judge me i assure you im not the stereotypical Geek/Nerd type!! For one im British :P LOL ITS 9:12pm GO TO BED!!!!!)
August 26, 2008 at 4:47 pmWingZero zxt
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HAZAA my and Kalessin rule this page muahahahahaha!!!!
August 26, 2008 at 4:56 pmWingZero zxt
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On a side note however after watching ep 20 over and over did anyone else notice:
The ‘DNA strands’ in emperor land are actually intertwined bodies/corpes
Monicas voice sounds exactly like hikaris from Special A (further supporting my hypothesis that Special A is what happens after Code Geass OMGoodness people we are watching the after story the same time as the story :P)
August 26, 2008 at 4:58 pmKalessin
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@WingZero zxt
I’m not sure that that’s exactly a good thing. It just shows that there isn’t much of anyone actively posting at the moment. On top of that, every post on this page so far has been Tsubasa-related rather than Code Geass. More in the way of interesting Code Geass discussion would be nice, but at the moment, it looks like we’re running a bit dry.
August 26, 2008 at 6:16 pmJordiBlau
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@WingZero zxt.. you’re right about the bodies. Nice touch from artists, but it doesn’t necessarily have to mean anything.. Maybe all the souls of the death people are stored in there. Which would explain why Charles could talk to Clovis before.
Indeed looks like we’re running dry, but there is still something I can’t seem to comprehend. The emperor took the code and thus became immortal, this gave him so to speak the highest rank in the pecking order of the show. You could even state that he is a god now. Yet he still keeps going on and on about killing the gods.. on a side note he plans on wiping out the existing world and create a new world from its ashes.
But how is recreating the world, going to kill the gods.. And how does killing the gods rid the world of all it’s lies, aren’t humans at fault here? Well, the writers better do some serious explaining next week.. I’m keeping my hopes up for now, as it seems like the emperor is going to explain his plans and some things that happened in the past to Lelouch next..
August 26, 2008 at 7:11 pmgeorge
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@WingZero zxt: I know you don’t like Suzaku so anyway here’s a gif of Suzaku about to slice Charles into two then, Bismarck shows up and Suzaku runs away like a sissy boy…LOL
Actually, the one made this gif remove the conversation between Bismarck and Suzaku
http://i34.tinypic.com/24wrs03.jpg
August 26, 2008 at 7:32 pmSilentveil
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I am actually surprised that Suzaku was able to fight his Geass! Does that mean it’s getting weaker?
August 26, 2008 at 8:10 pmWingZero zxt
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@JordiBlau Your asking for valid reason for a known sociopath and murderer to act does not having a good reason only apply to sociopaths in the american/british media??
@george Amusing
@Silentveil NO because his geass was all incompasing and part of the functionality of lelouch’ geass means its open to interpretation!!! I.E If lelouch were to tell a woman to lick the bck of thie knee its plausible that they themselves would contour thier body in a manner to which they were able to do so! however if Lelouch were to saythat to a guy (who wanst very flexible its not entirely inconcievable that he would simply break off knee area and bring it to his mouth!(this example was originally dirty but im no a big fan of being a potty mouth) Just like how lelouch can tell one set of people die and they shootthemselves and another set die and they shoot on another! Therefore Suzakus geass to live woulldnt have had complete effect if he wasnt entirely sure he would die if he were to continue a course of action!! (I.E although fighting guren Seiten was obviously risking his life his geass didnt kick in till he was absolutely sure he would die it what would have been the most Glorious way possible!! As it stands the most Glorious death Award goes to Luciano Bradley Congrats
On that note what was kallen thanking him for before she killed him i never understood that part???
August 26, 2008 at 8:21 pmWingZero zxt
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how funny would it be if suzaku accidentally got trapped in the Code Geass end of the ‘Hyperbolic time chamber@ with the emperor and lelouch got out!!! I WOULD LAUGH UNTIL THE END OF THE SERIES IF THAT HAPPENED!!!!
August 26, 2008 at 8:50 pmKalessin
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@JordiBlau
It’s never been clear what on earth the emperor meant by “gods.” As such, what he’s really trying to do is not at all clear. I suppose that destroying and recreating the world would get rid of lies in that there wouldn’t be much in the way of people left to lie, but as for the gods…. Perhaps he thinks that the gods are screwing over humanity in some way, making it so that there are many lies out there. Who knows. It’s not like he’s been any clearer on what he means about getting ridding of all the lies than he has been with getting rid of the gods.
Fortunately, it looks like we may be getting most everything explained in the next episode. The extended preview shows Lelouch just sitting there chatting with his father, so we’re bound to get at least some explanation. Maybe even the emperor will manage to convince Lelouch that what he’s up to is a good thing. It probably isn’t, but it’s not like we really know what he’s actually up to. In either case, I think that we stand a good chance of finding out at least the majority – if not all – of what we’ve been waiting to find out about Geass and what the emperors doing. If Schneizel ends up being the final boss (so to speak), then it’s even more likely that the emperor’s about to spill all the beans (so to speak).
August 26, 2008 at 9:13 pmAmoeba
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Ahem…
SUNRISE is rushing~ They always like that (They had done the same on Gundam 00 last quarter episodes). Damn… I wish the story could be rather elaborate and not fast pacing with drop quality animation.
PS: I note that Marianne is kinda evil~ Maybe more that the Emperor
August 26, 2008 at 10:32 pmYuki no Kurogane
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Anyone else think that that Italian quote at the end of the preview might have come from Dante’s Inferno?
August 27, 2008 at 3:59 amTruewind
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WoW marriane is a strategist like lelouch. As far as im concerned they are all evil i tell you, and if they arent evil then they are hopeless like the current blacknights. :D
August 27, 2008 at 4:31 amSui
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I’forgot where I read about it… It could be from http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/… There’s toooooo much rumours about it from all kinds of sources… But I’ve certainly read about that according to the original story, R2 was supposed to explain the relationship between Cecil and Suzaku… And Suzaku is actually somehow related to Geass…
August 27, 2008 at 4:50 amJordiBlau
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@Wingzero zxt
The chances are high that there is a reason, you don’t become like that for nothing. Besides not having a reason is used by criminals as chance to reduce the penalty that stems from their actions, at least in my opinion. To many people these days try to convince the court that they killed because their mentally ill. Sociopath is just a just another term normal people use to define people that are “to” different from the rest, and thus seek the cause for murder of strange behavior there. But still that doesn’t mean these people can’t have a reason, they probably have a very good reason. But no one will ever find out.
Besides prove me wrong, but Charles is the probably one of the few who actually hasn’t killed anyone in the series. Unless you count taking the code from V.V. as murder, at least I’m not certain that he was the one who murdered Mariannne. Maybe that was Scheizel’s doing, probably depends on which side Marianne was on…
August 27, 2008 at 5:10 amKalessin
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@Sui
From everything that I’ve read which was at all certain, they definitely had to make some changes to R2 due to the timeslot change, but the only changes which they clearly had to make were to the early episodes to properly introduce things for new viewers instead of just hopping into the thick of things like they’d originally intended. While this almost certainly resulted in some things getting cut out in the long run due to having less time for what was originally intended, I’m unaware of anything that definitively said what was cut. The Cecile and Suzaku’s relationship and Suzaku’s connection to Geass for instance, were only speculations, not actually, confirmed cuts.
Some posts on the interviews and changes are here:
http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/19/taniguchi-on-geass-not-as-planned
http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/20/changing-the-time-changing-the-show
http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/22/taniguchi-interview-from-the-roman-album
Note that most of what is said there is speculation. There is some solid info there, but basically all we know at this point is that they were forced to alter the beginning of R2 to make it easier for new viewers to start watching it. Anything beyond that is speculation at this point and likely always will be.
If anything, I think that the last link there (which contains the actual interview) implies that the overall plan was not changed (Taniguchi thanked the fans for the opportunity to do the ending that he’d originally intendend), though he seems to be talking primarily about season 1.
August 27, 2008 at 5:33 amWingZero zxt
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page not found Sui but ive read the actual interview and unless you can explain to me using quotes from that interview (IN CONTEXT) that Code Geas story was changed beyond what kallesin mentioned or have some other source equally as valid then im sorry but this entire issue about them changing THIER story before telling it to us is pretty null an void!
August 27, 2008 at 5:37 amjeff667
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Just noticed, but back in ep16, Lelouch didn’t have his contact on when he was with C.C, so it looks like even if they said she sealed her code she was still immune to Geass in some way, maybe even still immortal (my guess is that the code grants the power to pass Geass to people, and that you can’t turn back from immortality even if the code is sealed)
August 27, 2008 at 6:12 amKalessin
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They’re not terribly consistent with what constitutes a command from Lelouch such that his Geass activates. There are times when he pretty much seems to make suggestions and it counts as a command and others where he says things that could be construed as a command but the Geass doesn’t activate – presumably because he didn’t intend to command them. Of course, his intention isn’t a reliable indicator either since he didn’t intend to Geass Euphemia and yet he did (on top of the fact that he just said that he could order her to kill all the Japanese rather than actually ordering it).
My guess is that they just weren’t careful enough in having Lelouch keep his Geass eye covered around C.C. since they didn’t intend for him to Geass her and she was previously immune. As I understood it, they had officially stated that C.C. was mortal (probably via the character chart) after she lost her memory. That being the case, she should have been quite Geassable. However, since the writers didn’t want it to happen, it didn’t. They do a fairly good job overall in Code Geass of making things consistent and reasonable in terms of how things work, but they don’t always succeed.
August 27, 2008 at 8:17 amWingZero zxt
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THERE ARE SUND EPISODES!!! does anyone know if they are subbed???
August 27, 2008 at 8:34 amWingZero zxt
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sound*
August 27, 2008 at 8:40 amKalessin
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You mean the drama CD’s? One was released by Bandai redone by the English dub cast with the limited edition set of the first 2 DVD’s from the first season. It’s almost all comedy stuff, so while it’s interesting to have, it doesn’t really tell you that much more about the story.
You can probably find translated transcripts for them all online somewhere, but I’ve never gone looking, so I don’t know where. But you’re never going to really get a “subbed” version of them since there’s no video.
August 27, 2008 at 8:44 amWingZero zxt
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ern no thats not all i mean Nipponsei release sound ep 2 from R2
August 27, 2008 at 9:17 amKalessin
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You mean like a commentary? I’m not quite sure what else you could be talking about.
August 27, 2008 at 9:25 amshadowblack
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No, it’s not commentary. You could say it’s like just the audio from an episode, without the video. Just download it and see (or rather hear) for yourself.
August 27, 2008 at 9:42 amKalessin
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So, either it’s literally the sound from an episode without the video (at which point, I see no point in it since you presumably have the episode with the video as well) or it’s like what they put on the drama CD’s only it’s not from drama CD (in which case, I have no clue where it comes from).
August 27, 2008 at 10:00 amshadowblack
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Well, it;s not from any of the episodes, so I guess it is something like a Drama CD. I’m not really sure what a Drama CD is, so I can’t tell if there’s any difference.
August 27, 2008 at 11:13 amKalessin
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Drama CD’s typically have a set of unrelated short scenes with the characters from the show which may or may not actually fit into the show itself (which are sound-only since they’re on CD’s). You can always look at wikipedia’s definition if you’d like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama_CD .
August 27, 2008 at 6:22 pmWingZero zxt
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It seems to me o be essentially a picture book without the pictures just the sound (in function!!) and shadowblack is Obviously commenting because he knos where we can get it in english right?? (HOPING)
August 28, 2008 at 4:54 pmJordiBlau
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I rewatched the episode and thought about what WingZero zxt said about the DNA straints from Emperor land.. I looked it up and it’s actually a representation of the “tree of souls”. It stems from judaism and is supposed to hold all souls that ever existed or will exist.
Just another thing I was wondering is the Ygdrassil tree from the preview (also known as the tree of life), clearly shown with C.C. and V.V. at it’s roots. They both have/had a code.
This might get a bit long but I have a theory about where C.C. race comes from (all those people with the code shown in flasbacks). First off it is in no way an alien race. This race stems from earthlings and to explain this i’ll go be taking parts from the bible, judaism and some norse mythology.
The most important part is the tree of life (Yggdrassil), the tree of wisdom and Ragnarok. What if the geass race origins stem from a differentiation in the story of the existence of mankind. While in the garden of eden mankind had two choices, either eat from the tree of life and become immortal or eat from the tree of wisdom and get to know what is good and evil.
If mankind had trusted in god he would have eaten from the tree of life which had made him immortal. But what if he was lying, so in our history the first man chose the three of wisdom. After that god decided mankind didn’t trust him and this kicked them out of eden and blocking there acces to the tree of life.
Now taking in account that Ragnarok is an never ending cycle. As a new world is reborn where always “2 PEOPLE survive” and a handful of gods, by sticking to the tree of life which cannot be destroyed. In the first episode the emperor actually said that the myth of ragnarok was about to start again. This implies that it already happened once.
So now stick with me as this might be confusing. Ragnarok happened in the past and two people survived. As it is a never ending cycle, these people got to choose from the tree of life or the tree of wisdom and actually trusted in god and choose the tree of life. Thus granting them immortality. Next someone among this race thinks this race is at fault and once again decides to ignite Ragnarok. Meaning that again only two people survive, which are in this case two immortals (the two people that passed their code on to C.C. and V.V.).
Only thing that doesn’t fit then is, they would now choose the fruit of wisdom again. Would this mean that their offspring become mortal again and thus create the modern world of code geass with just to immortals.
It doesn’t explain geass but it might explain where C.C. immortality is coming from.
August 28, 2008 at 4:57 pmJordiBlau
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I meant “two immortals” instead of to, in the second to last sentence
August 28, 2008 at 6:13 pmKalessin
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Interesting theory. I doubt that it goes quite like that, but it may be similar. Of course, that raises the question of why there were a lot more than 2 Geass people before. The only way that we’ve see to make new ones thus far, is for a person with a powerful Geass to steal their code and become like them (resulting in the Geass person becoming mortal). Since the emperor was going to take C.C.’s code from her (presumably that’s how he’d kill her), that makes it possible to reduce the number of Geass people, but it looks like you can never increase it. Previous Geass people probably took codes from other Geass people so that they could die, thus reducing their number until we have the current two (though we don’t actually know that there aren’t more of them hiding out somewhere).
In any case, your idea is an interesting one, but I doubt that that’s quite what’s going on. Hopefully, find out all that sort of stuff in the next episode.
August 29, 2008 at 12:14 amKalessin
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You’ve got to read this. It’s hilarious: http://finality.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/code-geass-lelouch-of-the-rebellion-r2-20-a-crappy-episode-deserves-a-crappy-omake/
Aside from all the comedy, tt does bring up a good point though. How on earth could Lelouch’s phone work under water? Who’s his service provider? I want in!
August 29, 2008 at 12:19 amKalessin
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Actually, that fellow appears to be doing on omake for pretty much every episode. Here’s the main page: http://finality.wordpress.com/author/biankita/ . They’re hilarious!
August 29, 2008 at 12:32 amKalessin
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Okay. I spoke too soon. They only did omakes for the last few episodes, but still, they’re quite funny.
August 29, 2008 at 9:57 amJordiBlau
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Nah, I know it probably isn’t whats going right now, but well they changed the timeline for this world so I thought let’s go back to the beginning..
I read the omakes.. ghehe they’re quite funny indeed
August 29, 2008 at 1:33 pmWingZero zxt
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WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE!!!! As soon as Kalessin makes the point that stuffs drying up and i loose interest in posting for this episode JordiBlau makes his name Completely memorable (to me atleast cause i dont remember blog names unless u say somthing more than superficially interesting more than once) by saying all that!!!! Godd job im fairly obssesive about stuff or i woulda missed it!
Couple of things im not sure if thier using the term ragnarok in the loosest sense of the term (i.e because its a cool word) but i thought the whole concept of ragnarok was that it would/could only happen once! (based on reading three different definitions from dictionary.com i.e not an expert!)
Second thing if as put; Yuo couldnt die unless you give up your code making you mortal (This is a multiparter and stretches to a second unrelated subject) Why would the numbers of people with Codes ever go down??? since they would logically all rely on transfer to die (Although contradictory to this was C.C. random ability to seal her own making her mortal which i think is the general consensus! i think i was somthing to do with the emperor having a strong enough geass enabling her to do it however. ALL SO VERY CONFUSING!!!)
This relates to the second (less important??!?) subject matter if C.C. remains immortal her ending up with lelouch would be just as she put it ,”Just more experience” i.e a complete waste of lelouch’s life! So ultimately i dont think it will/should happen like that!
Gong bck to your point (whilst its unfair of me to even try to poke holes in what seems like a good idea) If according to what you said ragnarok is a never ending cycle did you mean that and the end of every cycle two New people had to make the choice or (provided they chose to stay livnig and not pass the buck as it were) the same people got to reaffirm thier choice? Im a little lost! because if one is true then logically that woulld mean that all offspring of the people who chose life would also be immortal! But if the other is true than it means in order for C.C. to die if she pleased all shed need to do is make ragnarok happen (using charles machine??!?!?!) then choose wisdom (in the options menu LOL)
I only came bck to post my own theory ( A less fun and/or gloriously contrived in a good way theory)
Here it is:… Ive forgotten *damn* no wait… here it is (though ive forgotten the beat bits):
The secret surrounding marrianes deathh:
Marriane acquires geass from C.C. to thwart Charles and V.V. plans ultimately. her geass manifests itsself in a twisted form of her deepest desire which is to live forever (HUGE GUESS). Charles gets wind of this and makes plans to have her killed however just before she dies, Marriane copies herself into anya the result of which screws up aya completely and makes her lose a shed load of memories including hanging out with lelouch at the mansion as a kid!
The result of anya essentialy haivng two personalities cohabit inside her (though one is slightly dormant) means that marrianes behaviour manifests itself (either deliberately or not deliberately on marrianes part, my guess: deliberately) in anya hence the hair and the fact shes a kinght of rounds soldier whilst being only fourteen; basically marriane putting her in a position to be able to keep a good eye on the situation of the world and therefore on charles with a view to thwarting him/enacting her own plans
C.C meanwhile follows lelouch and nunally bck to japan (as we know from the VERY first episode of code Geass in which she is there) with a view to her attemting to die because since marriane at this point isnt techincally alive she cant really recieve her code and therefore has broken part of the contract meaning she wouldnt be able to grant her wish!
She trails lelouch for most of his life in Area 11 until she randomly gets captured by Clovis and General Bartley (How embarasing) after a few tests they try to move her secretly from the emperor not realising who or what she is but she escapes and the rest as you know is history
Notes: She was probably gonna copy to Nunally but it didnt work or maybe only worked partially cos nunally was injured which might be why nunally cant open her eyes they said it was psychological and she was shot with her eyes open if you remember! maybe nunally got marrianes geass power and anya got the actual consciousness (though this point only even matters if nunallys alive) Maybe nunally eyes dont work cos the connection was severed part way (again only matters if shes still alive)
Or, final nunally point: aybe before leaving C.C gve nunally a super powerful geass that meant shed have to keep her eyes closed for as long as she didnt want to kill anyone (but again only matters if shs alive)
August 29, 2008 at 1:37 pmWingZero zxt
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August 29, 2008 at 5:18 pmKalessin
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The emperor was going to kill C.C. If he had killed C.C., that would have reduced the number of Geass people by one. Presumably, he was going to take her code in order to kill her, but in either case, if one Geass person can kill another Geass person, then their number can be reduced. And since we know of no way at present for their number increase, the number of Geass people will always either remain stable or decrease.
Of course, since the only way that we know of to kill a Geass person is either to have a powerful Geass user take their code (and become a Geass person themself) or for another Geass person to take their code, you’re never going to have fewer than one.
Of course, that’s excluding the weirdness with C.C. How could she take her own code? I mean, sealing it and letting yourself die isn’t a crazy idea by any means, but if they can really do that normally, why would they keep on living forever if they hate it so much. All they’d have to do is seal away their code and let themselves die. We had better get a good explanation about that or Code Geass is going to be left with a huge plot hole.
August 29, 2008 at 6:21 pmWingZero zxt
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fair enough kalessin i was kinda hoping youd comment on my thoery of marriane!
August 30, 2008 at 12:08 amKalessin
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Well, I see 2 real directions that they may have gone with Marianne.
1. She opposed the emperor’s plan and he had her killed for it. The Geass that she had received from C.C. allowed her to transfer or copy herself into Anya.
2. She agreed with the emperor’s plan and her death and subsequent transfer/copy to Anya was part of that plan.
Personally, I’m leaning towards #2 – primarily because Marianne asked C.C. whether C.C. was still on their side – meaning that she and someone else had a plan of some kind. The only person who I see that it could possibly be is the emperor. That being the case, you’d expect that she was working with the emperor rather than against him.
Now, assuming that she’s working with the emperor, then what happened with her death and Lelouch was likely a setup to play the whole “survival of the fittest” game with Lelouch and get him to become strong. The fact that C.C. sought him out may have something to do with the plan as well.
If Marianne is not working with the emperor, then what happened is likely similar to what you laid out. In either case, your description of what the situation with Marianne and Anya being in the same body is probably fairly accurate. However, I’d be very surprised if she’d intended to put herself in Nunally to begin with. If she’d attempted to transfer/copy herself to Nunnally and failed, then she would likely have not had the opportunity to do it correctly with Anya.
August 30, 2008 at 12:48 amKalessin
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On a totally unrelated note, I just watched the dub of episode 18 of R1 and I noticed this time that when the Avalon fired hadron cannons at Zero and Suzaku, it was actually the Gawain that was firing. The Avalon itself doesn’t have hadron cannons. When I’d watched it previously, I’d understood that that the Avalon itself had hadron cannons, but apparently not.
Also, on a somewhat related note, in the intro for that episode, C.C. basically said that Lelouch had two paths before him and that he had to choose one.
1. Take revenge for his mother’s death and end up destroying the world.
2. Create a better world for Nunnally.
I haven’t generally seen the revenge and better world as being mutually exclusive, but when thinking about that and what Lelouch is up to now, it may be that Lelouch’s actions with regards to his father and Ragnarok are when he effectively must make that choice: get revenge and destroy everything or create a better world. Certainly, by the sounds of it, Lelouch is likely to be in a position where he’s basically going to be choosing whether he allows his father to go through with Ragnarok or whether he stops it.
August 30, 2008 at 12:55 amKalessin
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There is a correction to the translation for the recent interview with the director: http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/29/correction-to-the-roman-album-interview/ . Basically, the part where it was talking about episodes 24 and 25 of R1 being delayed because of religion actually should have said that it was because of production. Personally, I think that it makes a lot more sense that way, but apparently the pronunciation of the two words are the same in Japanese and it threw off the translator. It doesn’t really clear up any of the questions about what was or wasn’t changed about R2 though. Personally, I think that it was pretty much just the first few episodes that were majorly affected, but we may never know.
August 30, 2008 at 3:14 amWingZero zxt
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i already knew about the gawain im suprised you didnt also its makes brittania seem like complete morons dont it!? Even though they control so much of the world i was only lelouch/Rakshata who thought, ” I know lets put hardron cannons on our flagship!!! Not even schniziel!!! i mean they werent even on the Brittanian flagship for goodness sake
Also i thought hed made tha choice when he decided to seal himself in with his father for eternity!!!
The annoying thing with the interview was that ,ultimately it was written before R2 was even finished so you cant say stuff was super changed more than production allows!!! Its not like they did a George lucas whereby they wrote a story, made it into a movie then for the second set of movies the altered bits of it ever so slightly (but it was noticeable)!!! in production or when you write anything fictional you have to be prepared to revisit earlier bits to make it more seemless and to create the flow you want!!! (provided you havent finished orairing it yet so you dont contradict yourself)
August 30, 2008 at 3:28 amKalessin
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When I originally watched R1, I watched everything past episode 5 all in one go (basically, I couldn’t wait after seeing the dub for episode 5, so I tracked them down fansubs for all the rest). That sort of viewing spree doesn’t necessarily lend itself to catching everything and it appears that I missed it on my first go round. And since it isn’t one of the episodes that I really felt like rewatching much, I evidently didn’t end up going back to watch it. So, sadly enough, this was the first time that I noticed that it was the Gawain doing the shooting. But in my defense, you only see the Gawain for a split second, so it’s fairly easy to miss.
Still, it does tend to make Schneizel and company look bad for not installing a hadron cannon on their ship. About the only valid defense that I can think of is that they didn’t have fully functional hadron cannons until R2 (long after the Avalon was built). The Gawain’s cannons didn’t work properly until Rakshata fixed them.
And as for Lelouch’s decision, he did make it in a way, but I really think that he’s basically going to be given the choice to decide whether or not to start Ragnarok after it’s been fully explained to him and that would be a major decision point which would decide how the series ends.
August 30, 2008 at 4:35 amshadowblack
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From what I’ve read about the Brittanian knightmares it seemed that they don’t use Hadron Cannons because without Rakshata’s technology they don’t work correctly. So they use weaker versions of the Hadron cannons. But even so it’s a good question why they didn’t put Hadron weapons on their ships and instead use them only on knightmares.
On the other hand, why is the Ikaruga the only place where the BKs use Hadron weapons? Why not put them on knightmares too?
August 30, 2008 at 4:45 amKalessin
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The Shinkirou has them – though the main version it uses appears to blast balls of the hadron energy rather than full blown blasts. I think that it can also do more conventional hadron blasts, but I’d have to go back and rewatch some of its fights to verify. As for the rest…. Well, the OotBK doesn’t really have that many custom knightmare frames (as in a specialized unit for one person) and both the Guren and Xing-ke’s knightmare have some pretty powerful blasts whether they’re related to the hadron tech or not. And since hadron cannons seem to be one of those weapons that only custom frames get, there aren’t that many suits with it. My guess is that hadron cannons suck up enough power that it’s not all that practical to put them on knightmares generally speaking. Mass produced suits just aren’t powerful enough for them.
So, in any case, for whatever the reasons, the hadron cannons only seem to show up in a few places and are arguably underutilized.
August 30, 2008 at 7:10 amJordiBlau
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You’re probably right about Marianne’s death.. the only other I’d like to add is that she possibly planned her own dead (she did sent the guards away). Why do I think this? Well it would have been the ideal way for her to operate under the radar and thus go ahead with her plan without interference of others. Which explains that from time to time Anya’s memories of what happened aren’t consistent with her diary, because of Marianne taking over. Which means that Marianne is probably dormant in Anya’s body, but is still aware of her surroundings and can take control when neccesary.
Besides it’s no coincedence Lelouch got his geass. This has been set up lang ago, probably by Marianne or even maybe by the emperor. Depends on if both are aligned with each other. But it would make sense if she planned her own death.
In my opinion this theory of yours about Marianne’s death could perfectly fit in with what I said about Ragnarok before.
Now for the points that you mentioned. I’ve read some things about Ragnarok and it implies that there have always been survivors, as well as in Judaism as in Norse Mythologie. Which makes it possible for Ragnarok to reoccur, its just a logical assumption I made. Most people just assume it can only happen once, as they assume it destroys the world and everyone on it. But the myth clearly states there where survivors which basicly makes a never ending cycle possible.
Second: About the number of people with geass going down, we assume it can only be done by transfer because they’re immortal. But even the people with the code have a soul. That was when the remark of the dead people in the dna straints hit me. The tree of souls as ignitor of Ragnarok (Remember the emperor raising his hands towards it), the synchronisation of the ruins (at which point we are shown a picture with the words mental network). Then in the preview they show us the ygdrassil tree as a rock painting containing C.C. and V.V. at it’s roots. What if Ragnarok doesn’t destroy the world, but simply returns all living souls to the tree of souls, meaning no one is left alive, even immortals cannot function without a soul (and thus wiping out an immortal race in just on blow is made possible). The only ones to survive are those near the yggdrassil tree or three of souls (naming depends on religion). Which for code geass would apply to those near the tree of souls which the emperor was activivating. Bismarck actually called this world the safest place the emperor could be when the revolt broke out. (did that have a deeper meaning maybe?).
Now for the last: at the end of every cycle two people get to choose, meaning two people who survived Ragnarok. So this could be anyone, remember C.C. and V.V. got their code from someone else and they actually weren’t there when the last Ragnarok happen’t. But in the past the code people chose number one (immortal life) and thus created an entire immortal race.
The biggest question to me is: was the ragnarok thing build by the geass/code people. Or has it always been there as a way to reset the world. Because if it was build by them then my theory is obviously incorrect.
But this all depends on if the writers choose these mythical names just because they sounded cool, or if they really thought this through.
August 30, 2008 at 7:37 amJordiBlau
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There’s another thing i’d forgot.. In some myths it is believed that the yggdrasil tree connects worlds. Does anyone remember the rootlike energy strings that came out of the door in the geass shrine that pulled Lelouch into the other world. I’m not sure here but I believe all those doors in code geass had the tree on them.
By destroying the door last episode lelouch actually destroyed a part of the symbolic tree that connects these worlds (heaven, earth, hell or something like that). But we already know this.
What keeps bugging me though is all the clockwork and the white masks with clockwork on them. Might this symbolize the actual functioning of the mind.
August 30, 2008 at 7:38 amWingZero zxt
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Yeh your final point gets me i do think epsecially wih so few episodes left that they chose the names because they look call and the relms , geass, and Codes are all remnants of somthing else. My thinking is based on the fact that i prefer science fiction(with superpowers to straight up magic men!!! i.e Starwars=Good Harry Potter=Bad. So naturally my thinking is biased and geared toward the surface explanation. also regarding lelouch got his geass like i said in my theory i dont think this has much to do with the emperor especially or even marriane but rather with C.C and her wishes to die! If lelouch’s role had been planned i dont tihnk things would have gone so horribly wrong for Brittania
Emperor: Damn that lelouch i set al this planning up and arrange for him to get geass and what does he do? he starts a rebellion, risks one of the locations and threatens to kill me then locks me up in here with him for all eternity!
I dont buy it! i good plan is baased on mis-informaion not no information! since you could say the emperors plans have almost nothing to do with tihs current world sending lelouch to Japan was merely a political ploy of some kind to ultimately end in invasion! however suzaku betrays his country for the very first time and lelouch being thier is no longer needed! the invasion happens ahead of schedule and japan is forced to give up!
If lelouch was there because of geass then he wouldnt of had t leave in the first place however it may have been he was sent away to lure out C.C> who would have tried to find marrianes children
I do however agree with you saying that marrianes death was planned
August 30, 2008 at 7:45 amWingZero zxt
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The Brittanian Gareth is a semi mass produced knightmare that uses hardron cannons its esentially the MProd. version of the Gawain remember Kallen coincidentally hit one when she launched in the Guren Seiten! HOW FUNNY WAS THAT i genuinely felt sorry for who she hit (one of darltons adopted kids) SUCH BAD TIMING FOR HIM whistling a friendly tune ina average battle then all of a sudden BANG!!! ARRRGH What the hell was that????!? then he gets taken out by chiba!
August 30, 2008 at 9:04 amGN-0000
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August 30, 2008 at 9:22 amshadowblack
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From what I read it seemed that both the Gareths and Luciano’s Knightmare use a weaker version of the Hadron Cannons.
August 30, 2008 at 12:44 pmJordiBlau
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Have to agree with you that it’s probably C.C.’s doing that gave Lelouch his geass. But I’m really interested in what the emperor has to say next episode. Regarding intelligence I believe he will be on par with Schneizel and Lelouch…
I also have to agree with the fact that he didn’t see the return of Lelouch coming.. Bummer for the emperor.
We’ll know more by tomorrow!
August 30, 2008 at 5:37 pmKalessin
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I guess that I’ll have to pay more attention to the mass-produced knightmares. Even among the OotBK, I only recall the fancier mass-produced knightmares – such as what the Holy Swords were using – having anything based on the Guren’s radiant surge and they have fancier mass-produced knightmares than the other groups. I certainly don’t recall anyone having mass-produced knightmares with hadron cannons or anything similar. The main upgrades in tech that I’ve noticed in mass-produced knightmares are that they’ve become more mobile and that almost all the knightmares can fly now.
August 30, 2008 at 9:47 pmWingZero zxt
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The other reason theres no way lelouch having geass was planned by emp was because V.V. who was in league with the emperor actually sent Jeremiah and Rolo to kill lelouch should he ever become Zero again!!!
With the gareths is obvious also lucianos hardon cannons are similar to the shinkirous! However the gareths fire sustained beams (though not as long as the gawain) compared to the pulse fire of the shinkirou and the percival!
August 31, 2008 at 1:41 amKalessin
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I don’t think for a second that this is true, but I think that it wolud be kind of funny if the whole Geass people thing was a bit like Highlander in that the last Geass person alive gets special powers of some kind. “There can be only one.” LOL
We appear to be down to 2 Geass people left and if they’re actually going to get rid of Geass in the show (as in no one will ever again be able to gain a Geass), then they’re almost certainly going to have to get that number down to 0. If it were Highlander, you’d do that by taking it down to 1 because at that point the one whose left is no longer immortal but picks up some other (presumably) handy (and ill-defined) powers. Really the whole point of Highlander is the fighting that takes it down to 1. What the prize actually is doesn’t really matter. You don’t really have fighting like that in Code Geass. But still, it would be interesting if there was some significance to having only one Geass person left. If so, we may see it after the next episode. Given episode 22′s title, I’m guessing that the emperor will be gone after either the end of episode 21 or the beginning of 22.
August 31, 2008 at 4:06 amJordiBlau
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Well actually in episode 14 the emperor asked V.V. just before taking his code, why Lelouch attacked the shrine. It is only then that he finds out that V.V. send an assasin after Lelouch. So the emperor did not order the assasination, V.V. did this secretly.
Another interesting thing in this episode is that V.V. goes crazy after the mentioning of Marianne’s name. Why was that?
August 31, 2008 at 4:27 amJordiBlau
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Rolo on the other hand was sent by the emperor, so yeah you’re right on that one
August 31, 2008 at 4:46 amlawlnuts
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lol just saw episode 21 and Show Spoiler ▼
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August 31, 2008 at 4:54 amKalessin
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@JordiBlau
The emperor is arguably crazy enough in the whole “survival of the fittest” category that he’d specifically set it up so that Lelouch would have to survive against Rolo in order to succeed. How far the emperor will or won’t go towards the goal of making his children compete against each other is unclear. It’s also unclear how much he’s really interested in them competing against him. He basically called Lelouch an ungrateful idiot for going up against him when Lelouch was captured, but he’s acted almost excited when Schneizel and Lelouch have gone against him. Certainly amused at the very least.
The emperor appears to be crazy enough to be willing to outright destroy the world in order to save it. I don’t think that we can definitively say what he will or won’t do to manipulate his children – or anyone for that matter – in order to achieve his goals. Personally, I’m not taking any bets on what the emperor has really been up to and what he’s really been planning or how far he’s really willing to go. We’ll just have to see what happens, I guess. Hopefully most (if not all) of the questions relating to the emperor and Geass will be answered in episode 21.
August 31, 2008 at 5:19 amJordiBlau
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I completely agree with you on that on.
June 25, 2009 at 3:45 pmDimeric
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Marianne she was joking/picking on C.C. about saving him because she knows C.C. likes her son. That’s it, there is no evil at all.
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