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Hai to Gensou no Grimgar – 08


“In My Memories With You”


「君との思い出に」 (Kimi to no Omoide ni)

The Quietness of Winter:

Sorry for this post being a little later than usual. One of the reasons for that is I feel this episode mainly speaks for itself in what little words it has to say. Like the others before it, this episode is slow and sombre and a good chunk of it is without dialogue; and what dialogue there is feels cautious and careful and doesn’t serve to cover plot points A, B and C, but instead allows us to witness these characters grieve and interact in a way that feel natural to them. It’s funny to think that I considered the characters the weakest part of the show in the first few episodes, because it seems so obvious now that they are more than just walking, talking tropes. Sure, they’re all similar to other characters you’ve likely seen in many other anime before, but very few shows like Grimgar allow the characters to just live like they do here.

I’ll go backwards with my impressions and first discuss the B-part of the episode. I don’t know how much time has passed since these characters woke up in this foreign world, but it seems like several months by this point, perhaps closer to a year. I’ve not paid much attention to the changing seasons – if only because it always seemed like it was spring/summer until now – but now we have the snow falling and everyone wrapped up for winter. If anything, this episode felt like a finale. As the credits were rolling I caught myself thinking: “What if this was just an 8 episode series?”. If that were the case, I think this would be a good place to end – with all the characters visiting Manato’s grave, as Mary has now officially joined the gang and become one of their friends. And yet there’s still four more episodes left to go…

Humans vs Goblins Showdown:

This episode sure had its contrasts. The near silence of the second half only worked so well because of the adrenaline-filled action that preceded it. Damn, it was awesome. The artwork was pretty shoddy once you focus on the screencaps or are left lingering on a shot for too long, but it all worked well when in motion. Like every other important fight before, it felt dangerous, real, and difficult. There were more tactics used here, with characters having to go the extra mile to get their kills. Of course, Mary being shot down was the emotional highlight of the whole sequence, bringing the audience and the rest of the characters back to the exact same thing that happened with Manato. It could have gone horribly wrong, but they pushed through and achieved victory, hopefully putting an end to this goblin killing plot.

Now that they are no longer with us, I want to touch on the goblins one final time (unless they respawn and return next week). This episode more than ever, they felt like actual sentient beings. When Ranta first tried to desperately murder one in the second episode many of us were taken aback by how brutal Grimgar was portraying it; but since then our characters have gotten used to the killings and so have we, the viewers. But seeing the goblins sleeping, enjoying the view of the city, playing chess with each other, and desperately trying to fight for survival… they felt just as human as the humans themselves. In the end, I was rooting for our heroes to land their kills, but Grimgar’s approach to these fights has been refreshing, proving this isn’t an action show like every other out there.

Overview – What’s Next?:

As I said, this feels like the ending of the series. But now I’m wondering what’s to come for the season of March. The preview gives nothing away, mainly showing scenic shots of places we’ve already seen before. I assume this marks the end of the first light novel, so either we’ll be going into more material or will be going anime original. With four episodes left, we’re two-thirds of the way through, and there’s no long-term goal in sight. Though, I suspect that goal may simply be: “Let’s keep living in this strange, foreign world we’ve happened upon.”

Preview

February 29, 2016 at 12:38 pm
63 comments »
  • February 29, 2016 at 12:57 pmSpacyRicochet

    I really vote for this raid to be the best fight scene in a long time. Not the flashiest, or the most epic, but sincerely the best.

    It had so many pieces that slotted together beautifully.

    • March 2, 2016 at 4:38 amdefunkt_bots

      yep, it was rad.. probably why the second part of the episode dragged so much..

      I like the raid.. although the d&d in me was constantly chastising them for some of their kick in the door tactics….

      We’re led to understand that they had done their surveillance of this place.. they knew what they were taking on… should they have not been more aware of enemy numbers… The got a bit too casual too quickly in what was still a contested environment.. and but for a better crossbow shot.. nearly paid the repeat price for this naivete… (Mary probably should have died… sneak attack… flatfooted…) It was growth.. but massive room for improvement. And saying oh but they didn’t have the right situational awareness, doesn’t cut it for me..

      Haru was brilliantly intelligent enough to use a diversion instead of blasting straight out onto the roof.. and is progressing naturally into the party leader.. I am all about the HaruxYume ship.. Yume is such a dream….

      NB: That blue hobgob was a hardass… took a arrow to the side gut and got his hand stabbed through and didn’t scream at all.!

  • February 29, 2016 at 1:22 pmWorldwidedepp

    yes, this Episode budget flow all into the Action fight, and it was good

    • February 29, 2016 at 1:24 pmWorldwidedepp

      also, if you wondering why their “tank” act now in the battles. They gain self awareness. They have trust in their actions, you also see that their Mage “lost” her Fear

  • February 29, 2016 at 1:23 pmPurpleBomber

    What a great finale this wa- Oh right episode 8. I guess it’s only right that this show stay on its abnormal pace all the way to the end. XD

    Yume used her bow! Yume and Mary both got injured, defying the LN creed of only beat up the guys! The goblins are probably better at chess than I am! Haruhiko and Ranta reaaaaally need to trade casual clothes, it’s too weird seeing since the former in red and the latter in blue! Mary gives Haruhiko a nickname, lobbing a cannon volley at the HaruxYume ship! YOU WILL NOT SINK US, MARY!

    • February 29, 2016 at 1:27 pmWorldwidedepp

      why Marry survived and did not had the same fate like Manato?

      - Marry still have Mana left. So she can heal herself
      - They have the Upper hand on this battlefield. No need to run away to save their life
      - They tend to her wound right at the Spot, and no bleeding out in running away like Manato done. Well if they stayed all would be dead at that time
      - She remains calm

  • February 29, 2016 at 1:25 pmAegd

    The next episode is titled “休暇の過ごし方” or “How to spend your day off”. I suspect there won’t be much action happening next week.

    It was an excellent episode. I’m sad to see this show end so soon.

    • March 1, 2016 at 9:31 amSamu

      Yeah, it looks like next week will be even slower than we’re used to, which should be… interesting.

  • February 29, 2016 at 1:30 pmK

    I can’t shake this peculiar feeling that Mary calling Haru ‘Hal’ goes beyond just her getting used to Haru.
    Remember in the beginning when they’d mention objects they couldn’t recall or didn’t know existed? What if Mary and Haru knew each other once upon a time?
    Also…I was all aboard the YumeXHaru boat until the MaryXHaru Battleship came through and blasted the other 10,000 leagues below the sea.
    Also, I really love this anime. Like, I L-O-V-E this anime. I live for shows that adequately touch on the human experience of the characters and serve to actually give us a realistic feel I’m getting Akatsuki No Yona, Shinsekai Yori, and etc. vibes.

    • February 29, 2016 at 1:32 pmWorldwidedepp

      Hal could be also one of the 3 dead friends she lost…

    • February 29, 2016 at 2:32 pmAshifili

      From my understanding, it was just to differentiate Yume and Mary.

      Yume calls Haruhiko ‘Haru-kun’, and they translated that as ‘Haru’ in the subtitles.

      Then Mary calls Haruhiko ‘Haru’, and in order to differentiate that from what they translated Yume’s ‘Haru-kun’ as, they used ‘Hal’.

    • February 29, 2016 at 6:26 pmTitanAnteus

      It was just a bad translation.

      L = RU
      So haL = haRU

      She just shortened his name is all.

      I don’t think their past lives matter anymore. She’s just more fond of Haruhiro then any other teammate because he’s the one who actively put in the effort to incorporate her into the group. When he was going to speak to her about her being considered a comrade in arms, she was cold and basically said, “oh so now you guys don’t need me anymore” while clenching her other arm showing worry. Haruhiro noticed and diffused the situation, and Mary then in turn started noticing that Haruhiro was being very considerate of her despite the fact that their team was in so much pain as well.

      • March 1, 2016 at 4:04 pmTadpole

        Wow, you trust the translators to translate 22 minutes of japanese dialogue about anything and everything, but not with the ability to connect the dots between Haruhiko and Hal/Haru?

        She’s pronouncing it with a more L sound than usual, it’s actually pretty clear. Have you guys never heard of nicknames that was phonetically close to the real names? And removing the u makes sense if the transcriber choose to interpret it as a borrowed english name.

      • March 1, 2016 at 6:49 pmJuan

        @Tadpole : Actually Titan is right because the “L” sound doesn’t really exist in the Japanese Dialect. The closest they have to it is the “Ru” sound.

        So yeah basically it’s one of those things lost in translation because English doesn’t have the special meaning behind the different suffixes used in Japanese and also the difference between using a suffix or not and the usage of the first name (though not really applicable here)

    • February 29, 2016 at 9:11 pmChaos

      For those who missed it, Haru stated in the last episode that he has never seen Mary smiled. As they are walking back, Mary smiled for the first time.

      http://randomc.net/image/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar%20-%2008%20-%20Large%2034.jpg

  • February 29, 2016 at 2:51 pmWa

  • February 29, 2016 at 3:30 pmSarapen

    I figure the peeps have been less than a year in Grimgar world. At most they’ve been there since spring. Haruhiro said that they only knew Manato for a short time, and judging by the passage of time displayed in the show I’m guessing that Manato’s death occurred in less than a month and possibly just weeks after initial arrival. There have been clear timeskips in the narrative and I figure all the levelling up took months for the characters. Thinking about it some more, the characters most likely arrived in summer and we’re now coming up on winter, unless there was an early autumn snowfall.

  • February 29, 2016 at 4:14 pmGrahav

    I felt sadder for the blue hobglobin’s death than Manato’s.

    Well, they finally have put a stone onit.

    The snowy scenery was beautiful.

  • February 29, 2016 at 4:38 pmKling_Klang

    Goblins are smart enough to play chess? Are the human characters?

    A 105lb girl takes a crossbow bolt in the back and just says “it hurt more than I thought it would”?

    Not what I remember from the LN.

    • March 8, 2016 at 12:48 amSageM

      In the Alicization Arc of sword art online, kirito encounters a group of goblins that are act as human as anyone else, and its later revealed that all inhabitants of the underworld both humans and monsters, all share the same human souls.

      So basically something like this has been done before. So seeing goblins playing chess, goofing off and generally acting like everyone else isn’t surprising….

  • February 29, 2016 at 6:26 pmvaans

    • February 29, 2016 at 6:57 pm7godeohs

      I’m not sure why Priests here don’t wear armor of any kind. Sure they can fight, but like any other healer class their primary objective is to stay alive. If they are always targeted because they can heal wounds, give them some armor over their vitals like a small breastplate or at least some lightweight chain mail.

      Everyone else makes sense: Ranta and Mogzo have armor because they fight in close quarter battles. Haru doesn’t wear armor because he relies on agility and speed as a thief. Yume and Shihoru are mainly ranged fighters so armor isn’t as important. But Mary has to be wherever the injured fighter is – long-range or close quarters, it doesn’t matter. Protect your peeps guys.

      • February 29, 2016 at 7:04 pmsetsuna

        money problem?

      • February 29, 2016 at 9:05 pmChaos

        The most logic reason is probably because priests can heal themselves, assuming they have enough MP leftover. The others need armor because they can’t heal themselves. The point of an armor is to protect its wearer from damage and death. Healing magic in a way is a form of body armor.

      • February 29, 2016 at 9:53 pmAshifili

        I recall that, in episode 4, Haruhiko goes on talking about Skills, and how Priests CAN’T use weapons other than their staves. Perhaps, in the same vein, Priests CAN’T wear armor? Something along the lines of how Priests invoke the power of a God (think it was Lumen or something?) in order to do their magical heals, and part of that invocation requires the ‘ceremonial robes’ that are their clothing.

        Just a more extreme version of Yume’s dreams of the wolf God and how Ranta has to make sacrifices to his edgy skull god and all.

      • March 1, 2016 at 2:32 amHanabira.Kage

        Even if that’s so, nothing stops them from wearing a small breastplate over or under their robes. Even if it’s just a leather one.

      • March 1, 2016 at 4:45 amricz

        There is probably a weight limit for magic class to be able to use skill

      • March 1, 2016 at 9:16 amWorldwidedepp

        in mostly of my MMO’s that i played, the Priests or the healer Class could wear nearly the same Armor like the “Tank”. Because as the most her guessed right, Priest or Healer class are the most attacked class, and more furious when this Class can also Resurrect. In PvP the option to heal or resurrect your enemys is a no go, so they must Die!! :)

        Well, when i lead some PvP group, i said “first Healer, then Mages or other AOE Dmg Capable classes, then all others”. because all others can attack only singel targets, well Archers or Druids could do AOE Spells. But i running offtopic

        in old Pen and paper Roleplay, there where class that are only restricted to leather of just cloth armors. because metal or heavy armor would hinder them impossible to focus their Mana into their Body, they gain Mana from the surroundings like breathing air, and metal would be like an lightning conductor, the Mana would not enter the casters body. Perhaps here is it the same, or they really need their “Holy/Divine” cloths to breath Mana from the surroundings.. But seems like they need a full sleep to recharge it

      • March 1, 2016 at 9:24 amWorldwidedepp

        extrem example using mind picture

        Imagine “Quiet” from MGS5 yes this female sniper), could be an Arch Mage (the highest Mage) here in Grimgar, because she has an insane Mana potential and perhaps an insane Mana regeneration :)

        Gome-ne, mr. Kojima-san :)

      • March 1, 2016 at 5:55 pmdave_k

        In many MMO’s and RPG’s your basic priest is a caster classes that is limited to cloth armor to counterbalance their healing abilities and place them in line with more traditional priest garb for storytelling purposes. They’re intended to largely stay out of the fighting and be protected by the other classes while keeping them alive.

        When you start adding mail and plate you’re moving into Cleric/Paladin territory; more of a warrior/healer hybrid who can fight with more traditional weapons and wade into the front line while healing. Those classes don’t appear to exist in this game/world as far as we’ve seen.

      • March 2, 2016 at 10:30 amWorldwidedepp

        In Everquest i played an Raid Cleric. She had more Defense (+mana bost+Wis boost) then most of our tanks :) i was even the top 2nd best Cleric on my Server (at my time of course.. now i am old and rusty)

        And i played a race that was more for Mages (INT max) then being an Cleric (female Erudin)

        So, Clerics that use the Armor like an tank, it exist

  • February 29, 2016 at 7:06 pmmr anderson

    After they killed all the goblin and this have to show up?

    http://randomc.net/image/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar%20-%2008%20-%20Large%2026.jpg

    oh God why it’s feel so sad?

    • February 29, 2016 at 7:23 pmBamboo Blade Cat

      #NotAllGoblins

    • March 1, 2016 at 9:30 amSamu

      Well they’ve run out of main characters now so who better, especially for this episode!

    • March 1, 2016 at 12:06 pmXaffin

      #GoblinLivesMatter

  • February 29, 2016 at 7:24 pmMormegil

    What a beautiful snowy landscape. That more than made up for the off-model character shots.

  • February 29, 2016 at 7:40 pmmike

    was he gonna say “i love you” in the end?

    not sure if this has a lightnovel but i’d be good to know if a reader would respond to this hehe tnx in advance ^^ (just mark it as spoiler)

    • February 29, 2016 at 8:29 pmSynic

      i doubt it. In fact i really hope he doesn’t.

    • February 29, 2016 at 9:07 pmChaos

      I was thinking more along the line of asking her to come live with them. After all, a team that stay together, fight together.

    • February 29, 2016 at 9:11 pmBalanar

      It’s anime-original scene. However, I positively believe it’s from 1-1 talk between Haru and Mary in LN vol.2

      Show Spoiler ▼

      • March 1, 2016 at 5:07 ammike

        i guess that means there wont be any shipping for these two lol

      • March 1, 2016 at 6:59 amBalanar

        @mike *major spoiler*

        Show Spoiler ▼

      • March 1, 2016 at 7:41 amBalanar

        @mike *major spoiler*

        Show Spoiler ▼

    • March 1, 2016 at 9:33 amSamu

      We may never know what he was going to say. But I don’t think it was a confession of love, probably something more leader-like.

      • March 1, 2016 at 3:19 pmJuan

        Haru isn’t exactly the most decisive tool in the shed so I don’t see him doing anything major. In fact, the Anime seems to portray all of them just that little bit more decisive and that little bit more amazing. In the LN it keeps going back to them being the lowest rung of the adventurers.

        Amazing how POV works. Watching this episode you might think that this group was more amazing until you realize that Goblins are pretty much the “slimes” of this world.

  • February 29, 2016 at 8:55 pmChaos

    I don’t think it has been a year. When Manato died, he stated prior that they have been there for 2 weeks. The first episode was 7 days in. So I am thinking it has been a month to 3 months at most. Basically, a season change. From Fall to Winter.

  • February 29, 2016 at 11:52 pmCrunchie

    I actually screamed when Mary got hit. To think only a few episodes ago, I really didn’t like her.

  • March 1, 2016 at 4:32 amricz

    Damn I really ship HaruXMary
    And come on!! they are wearing the same scarf >.<b
    But seriously they are so freaking cute together walking side by side

    • March 1, 2016 at 9:34 amSamu

      Some people may go over to the Hary/Mary ship, but Haru/Yume is still going strong!

      • March 1, 2016 at 3:20 pmJuan

        I really think that eventually there will be a RantaxYume ship. Just look at that reaction by Ranta when Yume got hit

      • March 2, 2016 at 7:43 pmAlphaGO vs Lee Sedol hype

        Maybe Ranta is the type that likes to tease the girl he likes.

    • March 1, 2016 at 6:55 pmJuan

      I think the Anime ships HaruXMary a lot harder than the LN does, just look at that OP.

    • March 1, 2016 at 7:46 pmmike

      i’m with @ricz i mean if they don’t make a clear decision of who’s with whom then might as well make a love triangle like drama over it during the series. Its not gonna make me or a lot of people happy but i’m guessing that might happen. It would be nice if they just get to the point and make it clear to us. Yes i am bothered by something that is insignificant lol it would suck if the season 1 ended with a cliff hanger like this.

  • March 1, 2016 at 8:37 amtheirs

    Goblins playing chess, never thought I’d see that in any media. Now the real question is, how did they learn that? It shows some real intelligence, especially the capability for strategic or tactical thinking in a species that is usually depicted as a lower life form.

    Nice to see that little smile on Mary. Even with all his faults, Haru’s doing a good job as the leader of the group. I’m sure breaking the ice isn’t something easy for him, but it looks like he’s on the right path.

    • March 1, 2016 at 9:35 amSamu

      I did read one theory where perhaps those who are ‘born’ into this world either become humans or goblins. It would explain why they seem so human-like in their actions, and how they’re smart enough to play chess. Who knows…

    • March 2, 2016 at 6:28 amkid on the outside

      There is also a scene where a goblin throws aside bundled paper.
      I guess goblins gamble too (and get paid for guard duty).

  • March 1, 2016 at 6:27 pmGanur

    Next Episode is Prologue of Real Plot : Secret of Grimgar
    unfortunately we wont see it unless we have season 2

    • March 3, 2016 at 5:41 pmLyfe

      It’s an A-1 series, which almost guarantees another season. If you look at what they’ve produced over the years, you’ll see a LOT of sequels to recent shows there.

  • March 1, 2016 at 11:01 pmUngas123

    http://randomc.net/image/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar/Hai%20to%20Gensou%20no%20Grimgar%20-%2008%20-%20Large%2019.jpg

    Mary didnt died instantly because she wasn’t hit in the heart, it was at the lungs. The heart is somewhere at the left side of the chest while she was hit at the right side.

    And of course it will hurt, she was trying to talk while there’s an arrow on her lungs.

  • March 2, 2016 at 3:04 amJayDrink

    This show is such a bully, making me cry almost every episode..

  • March 2, 2016 at 2:30 pmPen3

    Maybe in this verse there isn’t a meele cleric class or only clothe armor has correct attributes for mages.

  • March 3, 2016 at 4:35 pmRedRocket

    Marathon till here. I like it definitely a change of pace for many.

    Missed in earlier comments, If I understand the first episode Brittany lectures the arrivals they really are not allowed any other work or to quit, as the lecturer said you can die here but if you quit you will defiantly die. He does sort of tell them they get the starting silver for joining but in saying there is no other jobs makes it clear not joining not a option. So Volunteer is a Orwilian name in that they are unpaid (except starting fund) draftees.

    In folk lore goblins are tricksters or just evil sometimes a lessor devil. In Tolkien and most works from him goblins are a evil creation not actually able to turn good. These goblins are fairly smart and yes probably could play chess but I would say only the leaders at the human level. But here in this story goblins are basically another tribe and no worse than the humans. But I’m ok with our hero’s fighting them as our hero’s are draftees and scenes the goblins clearly are on a attack first basis with humans our hero’s really don’t have the ability and probably the language skills to negotiate a understanding. So it is tragedy for both sides. Maybe some how an enlightened leader will run into someone who can speak goblin and negotiate a deal in the future (or goblin reverse do this) and then the Volunteers and the goblin veterans can get together and drink and remember how their leaders had them fight each other. Veterans after a short while hold no bad feeling for the enemy. (like real world veterans and probably just like real world veterans they might find themselves understanding each other better than those who were not in the fighting understand veterans)

    Agro abilities are not needed if the situation is 3d like in this anime and pen and paper role playing games. Something computer games have massive trouble doing is having characters actually occupy a space and influence the space around them with their weapon. I paper role playing games and anime you tank the enemy by getting in their way so it is hard to impossible to get by you. Thus in D&D the warrior and the Priest would block the corridor and if the line needed to be stretched the leather armor wearers would join the line of protection for the unarmored spell casters (light armor is a silly but fun MMO thing) In original D&D healing could not be done well if at all in a fight you healed after a fight but HP were correspondingly way higher than in games where battle healing is possible.

    I always want to know how infant and child mortality was brought down in a fantasy story so much that females are not needed to have as many babies as possible. Not to mention replacing battle field losses requires lots of babies. In history wether the rare female dominated society (one currently left in China does not even have a word for father) to the typical male dominated society females had to stay a home, with some exceptions, to have as many babies as possible. Infertile and the small number of women living to old to have children helped the women who were able to have children. Women did not need to be treated as inferior but staying home was not optional in history, in addition making food and clothes is full time work might as well have the person stuck at home do it. Yes some women fought in example the Gaulish women who fought with their men against the romans, the romans thought the women were just as good as the men thus easily able to beat one Roman solder, but a Caesar said 10 Romans could take 100 Gauls due to Roman fighting skill as a team. But the fighting Gaul and Viking women were always a small number compared to the men. Thus if really realistic the females would be coming in as additional breading stock. I’m glad it is not realistic.

    To bad these fantasies can’t actually bring in young people from non modern times, you don’t want these untrained modern kids, take typical warrior male from any time before, even by 16 they have 8 plus years of weapon training very frequently sometimes every day. Heck like one fantasy I read bring in some Roman cohorts. Even better some 3 Musketeers sword men, modern like fencing greatly superior to earlier hack and slash sword styles. Realistically it would take years to train without magic a modern person to be able to fight these goblins an the level the goblins as a warrior race would have let alone what warrior youth from the past could do.

    No problem with no armor on spell casters in traditional pen and paper games they normally lack the strength to deal with much armor and normally armor interferes with spells. Plus time spent working out to deal with armor weight is time not spent studying spell craft.

  • March 4, 2016 at 6:27 amsamui

    I was a fool for not following this show earlier on. What an emotionally charged series. I thought it will be an upbeat and adventurous ala DanMachi and I was pleasantly surprised.

    I teared up quite a few times in watching it.

    First, when Yume and Haruhiro hugged each other while crying.

    Second, the scene at the tombstone. Haruhiro’s lines killed me. I am not ashamed to say that this is one of Winter 2016 highlights amidst the Erased hype and the left of center Rakugo.