「怨嗟断絶のアポトーシス」 (Ensa Danzetsu no Apotōshisu)
“Disruption of Apoptosis”

Are you out there, Divine? Seven possible plots, just like I said!

I’m going to resist the urge for a general “I told you so” because I’m sure that by tomorrow, the combination of microanalysis and thoughtless spoilers will have found 20 things wrong in the next few paragraphs. But for now, it feels good to know that we’ve finally reached the point I’ve felt this series has been building towards – a choice of timelines between Kurisu and Mayushi. I’m tempted as ask, “If we could see it why couldn’t Okarin?” But it’s a lot easier to figure that kind of thing out when you’re outside the maze, looking down on the rats scurrying inside.

For that matter, I also wonder why it never occurred to Okarin – not even when he saw him pick up the IBN 5100 in his truck – that Mr. Braun was FB. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn’t know Braun’s first name, but even so – I would have thought he’d have at least the tickle of an idea. Lots of viewers figured the guy wearing the “I Heart CRT” shirt was probably named for Ferdinand Braun but I suppose Okarin had no reason to suspect that wasn’t his real name. My mind immediately went to Suzuha, as that’s where the fascinating implications are here. Did she know what FB was up to? Did he somehow seek her out because he knew her real situation? Is it a cosmic coincidence that their paths crossed?

Whatever, Braun’s story is a tragic one, at least as it ends in this timeline. “Worse than a dog” is a good description, but it’s not an uncommon tale – desperation drives someone to get involved with something they shouldn’t, and the deeper they go the more impossible it is to escape. The scene at the construction site had the feel of a Greek tragedy, in that the grisly end was telegraphed – but even knowing it was coming didn’t lessen the impact.

I hadn’t expected Okarin and Moeka to end up working together quite so openly, but they had a common purpose in wanting to know FB’s identity. And Moeka was clearly emotionally attached to Okarin even after all that he did to her in last week’s episode – he and the lab are probably the only in-person kindness she’s known as an adult. Their stakeout and subsequent chase was handled beautifully – a suspenseful thriller style as opposed to the emotional carnage and violence of last week, complete with a subtly inserted time leap in the middle after they’d lost their target once. Moeka was indeed fated to die on 8/15 – so it appears that if Okarin gets back to the original timeline, he won’t be merely trading Kurisu’s life for Mayushi’s – but for Moeka’s as well (unless he’s already done enough to save her by retrieving the IBN).

So now it appears that we’ve transitioned into a very different phase of the story – the midgame is over, and the endgame begins. I see no major obstacles left to restoring the original timeline (though I might be missing something, or new ones could crop up). The heavy lifting is done, but now Okarin is faced with the Kobayashi Maru scenario I expected all along. Realistically, I see the following possibilities:

  1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
  2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
  3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
  4. Kurisu, understanding the situation (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake

Any one of these feels possible to me, though I don’t see any of the other scenarios as being as likely as those four. And my gut instinct is telling me that #4 is the most likely of those to play out. But that’s an absolute blind guess at this point, and I know I’m on a pretty thin limb here. Realistically, I’m much more likely to be spectacularly wrong that mostly right – but it sure is going to be fun to find out. The writing for this series is really off the charts – it’s rare to see such terrific dialogue and character development paired with an intricate and well-constructed plot. Once this is over, I suspect I’ll watch it all over again from the beginning just to see what the experience is like, knowing everything – and just how many clues I missed the first time around.

 

Divine: In hindsight, it would’ve been a good idea to talk to me before using that as your hook Enzo. 😛 There’s no “I told you so” when I already knew it would come to this and how it’s going to end. I just didn’t want to spoil it for you and kept our discussion on Steins;Gate open-ended.

357 Comments

  1. Well Okarin is a very smart lab rat so he should figure something out. But he really has it tough, how could anyone could find an answer to a problem that only God can solve. I said this earlier but this is what happens when try to ply the role of God: only chaos in its purest form.

    haseo0408
    1. Oh, chaos…I love that word.

      LOL! Every humans in existence have tried to play God. All have failed,… except one: The one who become God.

      The finale is not hard to predict. There really is only a hand full of possibilities. All of which fall into 3 categories. I believe Enzo listed those 3 options.

      chaos
      1. To me, it’d be more epic if it goes the scenario where someone get’s sacrificed xD. It’s just me though, but who knows… maybe the creators can pull of an amazing scenario where everyone, INCLUDING THE CRITICS, are happy

        Alec
  2. Option #1 and #4 is the same thing, Makise still dies. So you basically have 3 options.

    I am without a doubt certain that Okarin will travel to the original timeline where Makise dies. Why? One, to understand why she need to die and to gather more information. Two, to allow us to see a world without Makise. Three, to uncover the “other” factors.

    Basically, Okarin will undo Makise D-mail for whatever reasons, just to end up finding out that Makise is not the true cause of SERN dystopia. Okarin is. I am going with option #3 for the finale, but Okarin accidental discover Option #2 for a happy ever after ending…

    chaos
    1. haha, already ppl are finding fault in your theory. Anyway I can only say that I wish for a happy ending in the end for all of us. Because the show have been able to deliver all the best we could hope for, therefore the ending should be an impossible dream come true. Then again SG always able to surprise me.

      lkaze
      1. Oh sorry for lack of clarity, I mean that chaos already finding fault in Enzo theory and everything. I wrote that while looking at the blog Enzo done, but the reply came as gibberish.

        Psss I’m looking forward for Good Ending.

        lkaze
      1. Back in the first ep we did hear Okarin scream, which would mean he somehow traveled back in time (maybe with Suzuha?). If this was true, it would mean we may have a possible “C” (Gamma) route, which may be that he gets involved with SERN to find a path that neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies or becomes the leader of SERN.. I know, highly impossible..

        We also need to take into consideration of who was sending Okarin those threatening images before Mayushi was killed the first time.

  3. Okay, wow. Just freakin’ wow. That was insane. I’m still trying to recollect my thoughts on what just happened. Although I’m only mildly surprised about Kurisu being fated to die in the Beta world line (since you’d have to be completely oblivious to ignore that), the whole affair between Moeka and Mr. Braun was incredibly shocking. When FB pulled out his gun, I almost wet myself. The tension went through the f**king roof. I actually felt bad for Mr. Braun too, especially after I saw his daughter eating breakfast alone.

    Click
    1. “When Braun pull out his gun…”

      I knew Moeka was gonna to die. It is universal justice. He punish her for what she did to Mayuri. The only difference is that he didn’t shot her in the head like Mayuri. It’s called payback. I was more hoping Okarin would play that role, but I felt bad for Moeka since the last episode. Let bygone be bygone…

      Moeka apologizes in the end. She apparently remember what happen in the other timelines and said that she was sorry for what she did to Mayuri. My hatred for her died with her in that scene. Just didn’t expect Braun to kill himself, I was thinking Okarin or Makise was next. It look like Braun was the same as Moeka, a puppet who outlived his purpose… T.T

      chaos
      1. So for her to remember this cancel many theories that have been made, as she doesent have any link to that time line. She only remember thanks to her visual memory. That means the could do it too. Will Makise remember something from her death line?

      2. So my guess was right about FB identity… after all.
        As for Moeka, she has served her sentence. We can’t hate her now.
        I wonder what happens with her in “pure” timeline? Will she be able to befriend the lab team?
        Ahh damn the cute double tutturu!
        I am not gonna guess any further developments because for now we have been deducting what has happened, and this is basically done. We’re at the moment the new timeline begins. Good luck, Okarin, you will need it!

        ewok40k
    2. I couldn’t agree with you more. It amazing that they could make me feel so much even though the character rarely appear in screen, the scene of his child is wonderful sad.

      @Chaos

      I don’t think she remember, it more like because of what Okarin said. Of course I speculate that out of the reason: no special time-shift effect occur when Moeka apologized.

      lkaze
      1. @lkaze,

        Episode 20: around 16:35

        When Mr. Braun point his gun at Moeka, it shows a flashback at what happen in episode 12 when Moeka killed Mayuri. It was Moeka recalling the memories of what she did. When the gun pointed at her, she remember how she pointed her gun at Mayuri and killed her…

        chaos
  4. 1. He restores things to the original timeline and Kurisu dies
    2. He finds a way to create a “C” timeline where neither Kurisu or Mayushi dies
    3. He finds a way, but only at the expense of sacrificing himself
    4. Kurisu, understanding the situaion (perhaps despite Okarin trying to prevent her from doing so) forces the shift back to the original timeline, sacrificing herself for Maysuhi and Okarin’s sake

    So I took a while to think about this. I’m strictly theorizing here, but I think Kurisu will convince Okarin to save Mayuri, since she’s always struck me as a noble kind of person. Afterwards, Okarin and Daru have pretty much an unlimited amount of chances to save Kurisu since they possess a time machine (and later, it’s likely that they’ll create a physical time machine, considering that Daru rebuilt one in the present and made one in the future).

    Click
    1. Good guess. It is because of the first D-mail that SERN knew of Okarin. Without it, they are still in the dark about time travel.

      However, there are problems with that theory:

      #1) SERN has already been created (implying that they knew of time travel which is most likely due to the jelly man experiment subjects scattered around the world throughout time).

      #2) The original John Titor visited the Year 2000 (implying that SERN still rule the world EVEN in this time because he travel from the future to try to stop SERN’s dystopia as he stated back then).

      #3) Because John Titor came from the future, a time machine was created either way (implying Makise’s death is irrelevant to SERN’s dystopia. She is merely an added factor to their dystopia, not the cause.)

      It point ultimately to another cause of SERN dystopia, not Makise. The cause will be known as the jelly-man and Okarin. Both of these needed to be eliminated to stop SERN dystopia…otherwise the only other option is to destroy SERN in the future!

      chaos
    2. ” unlimited amount of chances to save Kurisu ”

      Don’t we all have lesson in that already? If the world line remain the same, that person death is certain regardless of what you do. Watch back how Okarin fail to save Mayuri.

      If you talking about using a time machine to change world line, I can only think of the possibility of Mayuri death again if you save Kurisu.

      lkaze
      1. Steins:Gate never stated that saving Makise will end up saving Mayuri…

        We only assumed that by killing Makise, Mayuri can be saved. The main word being “CAN”, not with absolute certainty. In this timeline where Makise died, Mayuri’s death was unknown…

        For all we knows, Mayuri will die a two weeks after Makise’s death…

        chaos
  5. “For that matter, I also wonder why it never occurred to Okarin – not even when he saw him pick up the IBN 5100 in his truck – that Mr. Braun was FB…” – Enzo

    FB came at a surprised to us all. There was literally no clues that Mr. Braun was FB…other that the B in his last name. You one as well as I, Enzo, that you can’t draw a good conclusion for one piece of evidence.

    FB was initial thought as a woman. FB was also thought of as a leader, not as another puppet. So it was a shocked when it was stated by Moeka after Mr. Braun called her M4.

    I think the only one who knew Fb was Mr. Braun are people who either played the game or read the manga. There was absolutely one other ways anybody would have known….NONE!

    chaos
    1. My best guess is somehow Suzu is the person behind the scene. Since she save Mr. Braun and all. Who would have thought that HE is FB. It really come crashing to me.

      @people that played the game or read the manga

      Do you feel better knowing it before we do or feel bad that you are not as surprise as we do?

      lkaze
    2. It never occurred him because Mr.Braun is the nickname that he gave him, there should be no link. Moreover Mr.Braun told him many times to stop calling him that way, which means he doesn’t like that name. It could also mean that he doesn’t like what he became and the name makes him remember.

      1. That’s true – I’d pretty much forgotten that it was strictly a nickname Okarin made up. Even so, though, if Okarin starting calling him that, presumably it was because of the Ferdinand Braun-CRT connection. I’m not saying he should have spotted it beforehand, but after he saw FB pick up the IBN – maybe just a nagging at the back of his mind?

    3. Actually, there arnt any more unique characters to choose from anymore… for them to bring up and search the mysterious FB… there is only one character left who appears to be unique as compred to general population. Or at least for me Mr Braun is obvious.

      Flappy
  6. You know for the longest time, I was just wondering HOW would Moeka and Okarin even get closer to each other. Since she like killed will kill a thousand time, how will Okarin even tolerate her. But somehow SG manage to pull it off without appearing weird or anything. Kudo to you.

    lkaze
      1. @chaos: Very True! If anything it shows it since last episode since Okarin didnt do that much damage to Moeka as I thought he would (I couldve sworn he would beat her to a bloody pulp after he witnessed Mayuri getting killed by Moeka countless times). However this episode shows his true nature! His a real softy, so I think he even forgave Moeka when she apologized at the end.

        Actually, Okarin’s “mad scientist’ persona” is actually his way of convincing Mayuri to still live on as his “hostage”, which I think shows his kindness that he was willing to change his lifestyle in order to give meaning or purpose to Mayuri’s. Remember in the flashback in ep.13 (i think) where it shows Okarin’s explanation of when Mayuri started to just stare and try to reach the sky, it shows Okabe actually admitting his mad scientist persona is nothing more than a farce for Mayuri’s sake, and this was further confirmed when he was pissed of to know that he still continued a “child’s play” after Mayuri’s death and formed a resistance (this was when Suzuha told him about it).

        X
      2. @chaos & x

        You know, I’m actually glad he is a person who he is. Since this way , Moeka can at least be saved in her final moment.

        Now if only he reach world line 1% with everyone memories from other world line come together. But I guess it too hard to hope for. At least it will be very hard to Mayuri to endure a thousand death.

        lkaze
    1. If that really were the Okabe who switched world lines, I should rethink my guesses… Starting from the assumption that there were two Okabe’s in the first episode’s world line, the time-leaped one

      Show Spoiler ▼

      (don’t worry, this is all speculation and not actual spoiler.)

  7. Characters: Death Counts:

    Okarin: 0
    Makise: 2
    Mr Braun: 1
    Moeka: 2
    Ruka: 2 (death by gender)
    Feyris: 0
    Feyris Father: 2
    Daru: 0
    Nae: 0
    Suzuha: 2

    Mayuri: Over 9,000! (in Vegeta’s voice)

    chaos
  8. Oh god i rewatched episode 1 and so much stuff sticks out like:
    Show Spoiler ▼

    This show’s getting a 10 from me , no matter what happens. I think he’ll find a way to save both of them, but at a devastating cost.

    Reading Steiner
  9. Oh well, guess Kurisu wasn’t FB, after all. 😀 But I still bet she’s evil. 😉

    Some questions:

    – From where (which episode) did Okabe remember that guy with the tattoo on the neck?
    – What do you think Okabe was about to say to Kurisu, after praising her for her work on the time leap machine? How about “And…I love you”? 🙂

    boingman
    1. Tatoo:

      It was episode 13 when Suzuha broke in and knock out all five masked gunmen. When Okarin saw the closet one knocked out, he notice a “saint” tatoo on his neck. Other gunmen have the same tatoo in different parts of their body as revealed later when Okarin notice some people were following him and Mayuri. The second most noticable one was when one of them pointed a gun in his back at the train station without a mask on, but did have the tatoo on his hand (ep 13).

      Okarin and Makise:

      He was about to say that he knew she like him and that he like her, too. Something along that line…

      chaos
  10. They didn’t call this a mind fuck for nothing: expect nothing, get everything, then it leaves you with that ‘WTF feeling’ when its over. They’re still in the middle of giving everything so lets enjoy it while it lasts.

    Megas
    1. Holy crap that Nae part was the biggest mindfuck of them all. But I guess since that world line changed and Braun wont die, those events wont impact the main story anymore. Even so, wow.

      YanDaMan
      1. Wow, Nae going yandere is hardcore. But if she waited for a few years before her revenge, how old was she when finally exacting it?
        I understand why they cut it out of the anime, though. An optional event and possibly killer lolis might be too much for the censors?

        Great episode, but nimation wise it was subpar with a lot of weird faces.

        driller
  11. “Once this is over, I suspect I’ll watch it all over again from the beginning just to see what the experience is like, knowing everything – and just how many clues I missed the first time around.”

    that what was going in my mind too! 🙂

    i dont hate now moeka and FB, coz they also have their own reasons, they will do anything to accomplish their goals whatever it takes, for their loved ones just like okabe doing the d-mails cancelling forfeiting the happiness of his friends for mayuri.

    ryuzaki21
  12. Does anyone else was shocked on how Makise so cheerfully stated that the last D-mail involved her getting stabbed?

    I mean, for a genius girl like Makise, this is a blonde moment for her…

    chaos
    1. I mean, if I was Makise, I am thinking…

      “Huh, Okarin is undoing all the d-mail to save Mayuri. The last one is the D-mail that I was supposed to be stabbed.

      Stab = death
      death = not good

      Undoing last D-mail = Makise died

      Holy Sh%t. WTF!”

      chaos
    2. I already said it but in Enzo blog:

      Why does Kurisu feel so calm to stating that she going to die? For some reason she frighten me a little, it like she trying to hint to Okarin “Hey, you do know I’m going to die right?”

      lkaze
    3. I dont think Makise was implying that she knew she would die from undoing the first D-Mail. I think she was just speaking about what Okabe said to her when they first met during Okabe’s “sexual harrassment” claiming she died. Meaning she probably still havent figured out that Okabe changed the world lines prior to that already and saving her from dying.

      YanDaMan
    1. Of course, the game would have multiple endings…otherwise, you have pissed off fans like FF7. FF10 was pissed off, too until the FFX2 came out.

      Anime never have a multiple ending unless it has a multiple series like Fullmetal and Hellsing.

      chaos
    2. We’re past the point of multiple endings actually. The alternate endings for the other girls happen when Okabe doesn’t mess with the D-mail. Of course the anime opts to continue the story by having Okabe choose to cancel the d-mails.

      fragb85
      1. It comes down to:

        which ending is better?

        happy ever after, tragic ending, cliffhanger, shocked and awe etc…?

        If the animators want the award for best anime of the year, they better not f$cked it up. So the best available ending will be most likely be chosen…

        chaos
    3. actually, multiple bad endings followed by one good – Higurashi 😛
      other thann that, any omnibus format dating sim being animated
      but this show is going probably to have one definitive ending – and if they keep up quality it will be a magnificent one

      ewok40k
  13. This episode was one of my faves!
    After being in a life or dead game for many weeks/month (since he leaped and Dmailed), when he has finally undone all the Dmail, just when he can finally be at peace and rest for a moment, fate gets back with this choice.
    I just love how they switched from an happy and peaceful smile to the despair face.

    Last pic is also great as we see Makise’s innocent smile.

  14. Show Spoiler ▼

    There I just spoiled the ending. But how we get there…I think that’s the fun part of it.

    Dyne
  15. “Moeka was indeed fated to die on 8/15 – so it appears that if Okarin gets back to the original timeline, he won’t be merely trading Kurisu’s life for Mayushi’s – but for Moeka’s as well.”

    @Guardian Enzo: Can you enlighten me what you mean by that? I thought that it was only at “that” timeline where Moeka was fated to die because she obtained the IBN5100 so FB declares her as being useless. So when Okabe used FB’s cellphone to revert the D-mail, this stops her death. Isn’t that the case here? Let’s say that they did revert to the original timeline, where Mayushi doesnt die, BUT Kurisu does so wouldnt this mean that SERN and the FB + rounders still exist which would mean they wouldve still stopped Moeka’s suicide attempt and recruited her, and perhaps IS THE CAUSE of Kurisu’s death.

    X
    1. Lol a bit of a typo, what I meant is FB declared her to be of no use anymore after she found the IBN5100. Also with FB’s mail to stop her from looking for the IBN 5100, which would mean that she’s still searching for it (which would still give her a purpose in life to continue, since FB wouldnt abandon her when her mission is still not complete) so in this timeline, her death is avoided. However, at the original timeline, someone killed Kurisu, which I dont think it could be anyone else except the only known antagonists which are SERN, FB, and Moeka Kiryu(part of the Rounders) which means she isnt dead.

      X
      1. Excpet her mission was specifically to recover the IBN not assassinate Makise. She only took a detour to 2010 to find her dad. There is no reason for her to target Makise.

        fragb85
  16. Yet more comparison to the game.

    In the game, Mr. Brawn did not shoot Moeka. He suicided himself to let Moeka live.
    However, it also created a time paradox where Brawn’s daughter joined SERN in the future.
    And used the time leap machine to come back to the past to kill Moeka.
    Because the time leap machine has a limit on how many days it can go back to,
    Brawn’s daughter had to build a new machine everytime and do a new leap.
    She pretty much did it thousands of times in order to get back and kill Moeka with a knife.

    What the game implied was that Mr. Brawn did have compassion for Moeka.
    That is why instead of killing her, he suicided first.
    While here, Brawn only shows compassion for her daughter.
    Well, the time paradox mentioned above was removed after the D’Mail.
    They didn’t show that part on the anime because they think that showing
    a younger figure killing with a knife causes controversy.

    banzemanga
    1. Wait, did you just give spoiler? But since you gave an alternate view of what could have happen and not what will happen. Hmm that a tough call.

      @fragb85

      loli yandare confirmed.

      lkaze
  17. You know what just occurred to me? We know that SERN’s dystopia requires Okabe’s time machine to have been invented, and it was invented by Makise (Time Leap) and Daru (D-Mail).

    So what if in the original timeline where Makise died, the results were due to Okabe or some lab member sending a D-Mail back from the future to kill Makise so a time machine would never have been made, thus preventing SERN from ruling the world?

    Of course those who played the VN knows the ending already, but since I havent, I’m just throwing my speculations out there. Only a few episodes left to go before I get my answer haha.

    YanDaMan
      1. Maybe not or maybe yes. Watch episode 1 again and you’ll notice Okabe had already spoken with Makise 15 minutes ago but Okabe has no recollection of doing so. She said it looked really important because Okabe looked really worried. Why would Okabe be worried? Because he knew she was going to die? Then later on we hear a male scream and then Okabe rushes to find Makise dead.

        Who could be the male scream? Try listening and you’ll recognize it.

      1. But for Okabe to hear okabe’s scream, it means there are two okabe at the same time in the same worldline. It would be like “back to the future”‘s time travel. The one you could see yourself

        Kratos
      2. Kratos is suggesting that Okarin took Suzuha time machine and phsyically travel back to the point of her murder somehow…

        It is possible, but only from Suzuha’s time machine. But it raise a question, why? Why would Okarin resort to physically time travel instead of D-Mail?

        chaos
      3. I wanted to reply properly that I decided to watch back episdoe 1. To my surprise there were a lot of thing that I haven’t noticed before that I noticed now. Like seeing someone on the roof with time machine, Kurisu said he was telling her something important. and hearing himself saving.

        Did you know that the first episode title is “Prologue to the beginning and the end”

        Could it be that the first episode already foreshadowing the end? WOW I’m very impressed.

        lkaze
      4. Me, Kratos, Wolf, and a few others have already re-watch episode #1 since episode #9 was out…We found some truths already.

        1) The person on the roof was…Suzuha. She safely landed on the roof instead of crashing into it.

        2) Makise approach Okarin to ask him what he wanted to tell her 15 minutes ago. It imply an second Okarin. Possibly by using Suzuha’s time machine.

        3) When Makise was stabbed, you hear a scream. It sounds exactly like Okarin’s. A second hint in an second Okarin traveling back in time.

        4) Okarin received a static call before Makise’s murder. I have no idea of this unto now.

        5) Mayuri’s metal Oopa went missing. I assumed it was the second Okarin who took it. I served a special purpose somehow.

        6) Finally, the first episode is indeed a foreshadow of the ending. However, it is not the last episode. It is one or two episode before the final episode. You can visual Episode #1 as episode #22.

        chaos
      5. Let me add some more unplained things

        06:35 – Okabe receives a mail with corupted video
        08:05 – Makise’s corps on 8th/last floor, so near to the roof!, there is also the sound of closing door.
        09:15 – First shift (lasts at least 36s, why so long?)
        15:22 – Nakabachi professor ran away in the morning (Why?)

        For the first one we are now sure it is Suzuha
        For the 36s of the first shift I see two reasons
        1- First one ever so it is longer
        2- It’s the switch from B to A rope. Unlike worldlines that are close to each other, ropes are much further so it takes longer.

      6. @chaos

        What gave it away that the person on the roof is Suzuha(I mean the face is hidden, although logic dictate it is suzuha)

        And if she is like screaming something to Okarin(the first one), why doesn’t she gave a chase?

        I’m guessing all this question is left unanswered until the final episode( which is not far)

        !Okarin have a soft spot for Mayuri for trying to get Metal Oppa back to Mayuri to mend their relationship.

        lkaze
      7. It was Suzuha on the roof because:

        1) It looks like her.

        2) The object next to the person on the roof was…Suzuha’s time machine. It resembles a satelite.

        3) The person was wearing rebels uniform. The same uniform during Suzuha’s flashback when she was being chased by SERN and had to threw a grenade.

        chaos
  18. 100th post

    It amazing that this blog could reach 100th post in the matter of 2 hour 55 minute 23second from when it first post(by Enzo). Only one thing I can say in a time like this.

    Tutturu!

    This show last seen Tutturu like ages ago, finally hearing her saying this again soothe my heart

    lkaze
      1. Longest in S;G series. I think this series already average on 100++ post. To break through 200 we can either keep talking unrelated stuff here, or the final episode of this series.

        Btw did you guy know preview for incoming anime already arrived, I myself would love to see Divine post of upcoming anime soon. So I can vote for my anime.

        lkaze
      2. @Chaos

        I see, but that was like accumulation of comment over years right instead of within a month time. But you are right there is 1000++ comment, wow I didn’t realize just how popular RC is. I wonder why Divine decide to close the comment of old anime. I mean alot of forum just kept it open right?

        lkaze
      3. It’s already over 155 and people keep commenting… I guess most commented show since Madoka.
        In fact those 2 shows have much in common, not the least the quality – which is amazing.

        ewok40k
  19. Let me add some

    06:35 – Okabe receives a mail with corupted video
    08:05 – Makise’s corps on 8th/last floor, so near to the roof! (sound of closing door)
    09:15 – First shift (lasts at least 36s, why so long?)
    15:22 – Nakabachi professor ran away in the morning (Why?)

    For the 36s of the first shift I see two reasons
    1- First one ever so it is longer
    2- It’s the switch from B to A rope. Unlike worldlines that are close to each other, ropes are much further so it takes longer.

    Kratos
  20. The dragonfly that was used throughout this episode was a metaphor implying:

    -Maturity and a Depth of character
    -Defeat of Self Created Illusions
    -The opening of one’s eyes
    -Change

    chaos
  21. Okabe needs to have a 2% divergence rate in order to save everyone, but that might mean he might die in that line… :/ I won’t speculate, I’ll just see how it’ll play out.

    RainbowIslands
    1. You got it backward…

      You mean 0.5%. The 1% divergence implies that it must be chosen over the given 99%. As in, it has 1% of occurring. So to go beyond that, it would be lower such as 0.5%, not up to 2%.

      chaos
      1. 0.57xxx is written as 57%. The 1% is written as 0.01. Technically, the 1% divergence was suppose to go down to 0.01xxx. However, the anime took a different step and go up instead to 1.00 or 100%.

        The whole 1% divergence idea is still confusing. But, the 1% divergence suppose to be the point where Okarin cross from Alpha timelines to Beta timlines.

        chaos
      2. @chaos

        Yes , I’m aware of 0.57 is 57% as in the RL math. It just that if the anime logic dictate a bad end is 0.5 and the best ending is 1.0

        ….You’re right it is confusing. I wish they clarify this more. Calling to spoiler that played the game or read the manga. If you can please answer this with least spoiler.

        lkaze
    2. The whole divergence reading is a percentage. The current Alpha Attractor Field is ranged from 0.000000% to 0.999999%. And trust me, no1 wants a 2% divergence worldline.

      Kansokusha
      1. 2% divergence – the Gamma Worldline, is a what-if story branched off from Ruka’s reversal D-mail. It’s the setting of the Steins;Gate Drama CD Gamma “Hyde of the dark dimension”. Shit happens. I’ve just finished the translation of the said drama CD. Might as well fill you up later.

        Kansokusha
      2. In the Gamma Worldline,
        Show Spoiler ▼

        Kansokusha
  22. No anime has ever left me staring on the screen (while my mouth was wide-open in awe) as the credits roll for YEARS! Kudos to the people behind Steins;Gate!

    Lots of love for Makise Kurisu!!! NOOOO I would prevent you from dying!!!!

    nagi
  23. It delivers yet again…That goes without saying, of course.

    That’s one of the favorite things I like about S;G – Being able to bring out the emotions in the moments or characters. What I’m curious to know is, does FB’s death means the change of something fundamental in Nae? Will she play an important role? I highly doubt that the only obstacle Okabe faces will the the dilemma of either saving Mayuri or Kurisu, and she MIGHT get involved as well.

    Tragedy from Braun and Moeka, simply because they are both the same – Grabbing on to the faintest of hopes in their greatest despair, and having those few touches of humanity and care (Moeka with the Lab, Braun presumably with Suzu). In that sense, Moeka was more fortunate even in her death because she was able to escape the cycle, while Braun could only keep going unto his death. In any case, SERN are portrayed as scum here.

    Regarding the four scenarios, Enzo, I don’t think it’s just limited to one. For example, (4) could happen and yet (2) and (3) can also occur after that – at the expense of something important.

    Owaranai
  24. @ chaos

    Let’s go back to what I learn in school and wikipedia

    Divergence mean a spread of vector from a circular point. Any relevant vector can be counted as positive vector. E.g imagine a point in space and somehow is expand. That is divergence. Alternatively if thing got sucked in like a black hole, it is called Convergence

    So far it clear?

    1% is equivalent to 0.01 or 1/100 chance of that happening. I think the thing that is not clear is whether the anime 0.57 is 57% or 0.57%

    lkaze
    1. My conclusion is “What the heck is 1% Divergence barrier?” It doesn’t make since now that I try to think about it. But it sure damn sound cool. Oh well, putting my brain to sleep and..

      Tutturu!!

      lkaze
  25. Anyway, can someone explain to me why Mr. Braun killed himself? On what part did he fail? He delivered the IBN 5100 successfully right? Or is it because he spoiled everything to Okabe?

    nagi
    1. Well, they didn’t Okabe explain it here. In the game, there are two reasons why Mr. Brawn suicided.

      The first one is because Okabe explained Mr. Brawn who Suzuha was and what her wish was. So he felt guilty of making all Suzuha’s efforts go in vain.
      The second one is to let go of the ‘Traitor’; Momoka. Usually they have to execute the traitor. But if the only one who has contact with the traitor is gone, they can’t reach her.

      banzemanga
    2. Mr. Braun killed himself because nobody was supposed to know about what SERN was doing.

      Mr. Braun: “Traitors die.”
      (Shoot Moeka)
      Mr. Braun: “Those who complete their mission also die. Those who failed die. If you try to run away, they go after your family. Nae doesn’t know anything. As long as I die…(bang!)”

      He commit suicide to protect Nae. Like he said, he would have die either way (if he completed his mission or failed). If he would try to run away, SERN would killed everybody in his family. To avoid putting them in danger, only his death is needed…

      chaos
  26. Now the exact wording of suzuha is ” you must cross over 1% divergence barrier.”

    she also state the the 0.57xx is world line which indicate by the divergence meter.

    world line is like a woven thread of rope. never touch each other but lead to a singular outcome. To move out of dystopia and Mayuri death, it is neccesarry to move from alpha world line to beta world line over the 1% barrier.

    lkaze
    1. I was trying to reach some sort of conclusion but I cannot cross my 1% intelligence barrier unable to go from alpha the unanswered to beta answer

      Hopefully some people smart enough to take over?

      lkaze
      1. I thought it was rather simple.

        In my understanding, 1% divergence simply refers to the distance between two major timelines (with that 1% difference being what makes two different timelines ‘major’, as opposed to the minor differences found within those ‘major’ timelines).

        So Timeline B and Timeline A have a 1% divergence between themselves. Timeline C would then have a divergence of 1% to Timeline B, and 2% to Timeline A.

        Of course, the whole terminology becomes wacky because then divergences of greater than 100% would be possible. Or really, the whole idea of using percentages here is probably wrong, as opposed to using some other kind of measurement for relative magnitudes (something I’m not smart enough to come up with).

        Tre
      2. That the exact problem when I was trying to come up with a conclusion. Because based on the explanation there can only be 100 definite outcome of world line. But that not true since S;G theory based on infinite parallel world. Beside you are imagine A-B-C in a linear line when you said C need 2% divergence to A. But in theory it should have be line up in omnidirectional, to imagine in a easier form is a circle A-B-C-D-E-A( or a pentagon, where E is as close as B to A)

        However that is only if you are imagining it in circle or pentagon, in omnidirectional sphere of an infinite space. A is as close to Z as it is close to B. In other word, A to B or A to D is still the same 1% divergence barrier.

        But then again I heard that going to gamma world line you need 2% divergence which again shoot down my theory.

        I need more information to make a proper conclusion to the time theory used by S;G

        lkaze
  27. Given everything we know, isn’t option #2, the one to find a timeline C, the only real option?
    Because the B timeline with Makise’s death still has the evil despotic future, as evidenced by John Titor’s existence (and Suzuha on the roof).

    Clearly Okarin is not the kind of guy that will ever give up, so a continuous stream of jumps to different major timelines would likely be in order, until he finds an acceptable one. By acceptable, I mean to imply that something major will likely have to be sacrificed in every possible timeline.

    Tre
  28. Please, nobody tell me whether I’m right, but undoing the D-Mail that saved Kurisu’s life might not return the time line to normal. Was it not hinted at earlier in the series that chibi-Okabe experienced a time line-shift when he became ill as a child? And, what of the Part Timer’s (why do I so often forget her name!?!?!?) transport back to the 70s? Perhaps that, too, needs to be undone.

    1. Because of the limited amount of time available for the remaining episode, I am sure a lot of details will be left out. There are only a few possible routes remaining.

      But, you are right. Killing Makise will not return everything back to the original timeline. Evidences:

      -John Titor time travel in the Year 2000
      -Suzuha time travel to the Year 2010
      -Okarin childhood reading steiner during 2000
      -Jelly-man subjects scatter through time

      The original timeline is defined as the timeline without time travel…

      chaos
      1. Well, Kratos…

        Steins;Gate clearly defined the present as effects of the past PLUS the effects of time travel. So, the future has already change the past. Thus, the past change the present. It is the grandfather paradox.

        Basically, it means that the present no longer dictate the future as we normally view it as. Because of time travel, everything got all screwed up.

        Traditionally:
        Past => Present => Future

        The past caused the present which changes the future…

        With time travel:
        Future => Past => Present => Future (same future)

        The future caused the past to change differently which changed the present which eventually re-shape the future. AKA it brought the future into fruition rather than change it. A self-fulfillment prophecy…

        chaos
  29. HAHA, I just notice something very funny. The highest comment this show reached is 207 on episode 12 where Mayuri death occur. the 2nd highest is 175 which is episode 13 the infinite loop of Mayuri death.

    This post has the fourth highest as of now, at 160 any yet nobody seem to comment on Moeka death.

    Most ppl asked why Mr. Braun kill himself, loli yandare Nae, and FB. It seem like nobody care for Moeka.

    lkaze
    1. It is because people don’t care about Moeka. Moeka was the one who killed Mayuri and repetitively killed her. It is like having compassion for the villain…not gonna happen.

      chaos
  30. I’m going to put this out there. If I had a guess, at this point I’d say 4 would come first. Okarin can’t bring himself to sacrifice Kurisu himself, so she sets it up for him and executes this. Then, as the worldline snaps back to the alpha line, he’ll then try and find some way to have both his friend and his LI in the same timeline. Thus timeline gamma will come about, somehow.

    IronRaptor
    1. What is this talk about Gamma timeline?!

      Nothing was ever mention about Gamma. You have to be spoiling in order to know Gamma even exist. I don’t see any other reason why anybody even bother mention Gamma timeline unless you have played the game or read the manga…I hate people who spoils things for the rest of us! You guys need to stop…

      chaos
  31. My first post here :
    Been reading this blog and comments on show I like for a long time now and can’t help but participating in this discussion.

    Think that Okarin will save both Mayuri and Kurisu ’cause anime world doesn’t know what an interesting end is anymore. I do hope I’m wrong !

    I don’t what the VN looks like but as an anime itself, it sure is better than most of the ones released lately, I don’t care if it doesn’t follow any detail of the VN as long as it’s good the way it is.

    MimS
      1. then it must be quite lonely for him, he knows the person, but the person doesn’t know who the hell is he.

        it’s like fans & their idols. except the idols thank their fans for the support.

        haro
      2. Correction, Divine…Not everybody forgets.

        I hate having to correct the owner of Random Curiosity, but you are wrong Divine. While it is true that Okarin was the only one to remember everything through each time shift, but other characters have proven that they can, too.

        Example:
        -Feyris remember the other timelines of her dead father when Okarin brought her to the Moe Shop
        -Ruka remember how he first met Okarin when he confront her in the shrine
        -Moeka remember that she killed Mayuri prior to being shoot by Mr. Braun

        The details behind the Reading Steiner is still unknown unfortunately…

        chaos
      3. You make it sound like I wasn’t aware of the other characters having partial recollections of another timeline. The thing is, in all the cases so far, Rintarou changes the past and the person who sort of remembered no longer does.

    1. Another way of re-wording what you just said it to say Okarin never met all the others. By never meeting Mayuri, he never become a mad scientist and never invented the microwave phone that enbale SERN to establish its dystopia.

      So if everybody characters never met one another, not of this would have happen…

      chaos
    2. Are you talking about the Feyris end? If so, it is still a dystopia since he did not go above 1% but below it. As can be seen the divergence meter is with the Tennouji household meaning Suzuha passed it down to Braun, meaning Suzuha teleported back, meaning dystopia.

      deafvader
      1. butbutbut RC is to me as FB is to other girls my age (the site not the dude). Cannot resist…ze clicking.

        But don’t fret. My brain was fast enough to tell itself to auto blur any S;G related images once I saw the comment+view count. And then I just scrolled super duper fast to comment ;D

        Saya
    1. That was the purpose of the IBN 5100. Suzuha herself stated it a while back before he went back to 1975.

      By deleting the SERN data, they hope to save Mayuri. However, Okarin will discover that that is not enough to save her. A deeper cause is behind that (as Kratos stated above)…

      Like I said, the 2 roots caused of SERN dystopia is Okarin himself and The jelly-man.

      chaos
  32. even when i don’t like girls(women) with big boobs and that is the problem that I have with anime sometimes. I find Moeka extremely hot, ja ja. yeah I know no very constructive comment.

    If I were Okarin I would have told Makise that I would give my life a million times over for her, I guess that is another thing that I don’t get about anime when the main character want to end up with all the girls and the leading girl is so understanding about that

    oscuda
      1. that’s where the anime and vn differs: they don’t put too much explanation about this stuffs>.< guess the animation studio loves kurisu's story route more than moeka's stuffs:P. Well…I think this kind of story variation(braun shoots moeka instead of nae killing moeka) is ok too, just that to me, they rush it too much. right now I think they are going with kurisu's ending, but they can shock me and go for mayuri's ending route:P
        http://i51.tinypic.com/xehrq0.jpg
        now back to my games:P

  33. I hope I’m not the only one who was sad when Moeka was shot down 🙁
    Also, it seems Mr.Braun has a back story of his own which was left unexplored this episode. Anyone knows what exactly is his role in Sern and how did he know what Okabe was up to in the first place?

    Seishun Otoko
    1. I was definitely sad, especially when she tried to apologize to Okarin… Showing her good side. Sadly probably we dont have time to explore Mr Braun’s backstory nor the internal structure of SERN’s operatives.

      ewok40k
    2. I think it was already been told…

      It was subtle, but it was there. It is basically the same story as Moeka. Mr. Braun was an orphan surviving on the street until SERN recruited him the same way he recruited Moeka. He was the middle between the other rounders and SERN.

      chaos
  34. @cybersteel

    Kinda lazy to flip between up and down talking to the same person. I’ll talk here instead.

    My O/S is M33, forget the version because I borrow it to my brother thus I cannot check at the moment.

    Ooo lookie, I finally know how to get an avatar. By signing up Gravatar.

    lkaze
    1. Actually not much new game interest me as of late, which explain why the outdated version. The old version still able to support all the game I wanted to play at the time, therefore very little reason to change. But I guess when my brother give back my psp, I’ll update it.

      Ok, learning japanese 101. The hardest will be knowing what is the meaning of word I read. There not that much gana and kana to memorize anyway. I think most manga and games have gana attach to kanji.

      lkaze
      1. You’re missing quite a lot actually. MGS:Peacewalker, Persona 3, KH:BBS, Third birthday, Duodecim Dissidia and Final fantasy type-0. All are available in English and Japanese except for the last one.

        Watching anime helps a bit but you should only remember the nouns and some action verbs, adjectives. Don’t try learning the grammar cause it’s not real Japanese and will lead to epic fail.

      2. @cybersteel

        Hmm, then you must have read light novel. God if only I knew light novel I would have finish reading suzumiya haruhi and baka and boku wa tomotachi and zero no tsukaima. Oh well, for now I’ll just settle with haruhi. Someone just finished translated everything.

        I will get this BBS and persona 3 and ask my brother to give PSP back.

        lkaze
      3. A year ago. Monster Hunter 3 unofficial english patch is out long ago too.

        I’m more into English novels rather than Japanese light novels. You should see how much books I read through in a month. Like Arthur Conon Doyle, Grisham, Tolstoy just to name a few.

      4. I want to play Monster Hunter, but without friend around with PSP to play with. The game kinda boring. Wow english novel reader huh, the only novel I ever read is Harry Potter and even that is children book.

        lkaze
      5. Partying is fun. Spent a night at the chalet once playing MonHun with a four member party. We had 2 long sword users and one heavy bowgun user(that would be me) and a horn user.

        cybersteel
  35. Kurisu’s life vs Mayuri’s life + Moeka’s life + Mr Braun’s life + Nae’s future. Purely from a numbers perspective (ala Kyubei), dropping Kurisu would be the logical choice. Fortunately, Okarin is more human than that and will continue his d-mailing until he saves everyone.

    Ignoring that Moeka has only 1 outfit (like Kurisu), still finding it silly that she has not been chat up prior to receiving a text from FB given her figure which is pretty much the best among everyone.

    Too bad the drama cds spoiled some of the ending for me but they have given a lot more explaination on the entire thing, such as who the strange Mayuri in ep 12 could be.

    Zaku Fan
    1. That is not entirely true. There is very little information about the timeline where Makise died. And there is even less about the timeline before that (the original timeline)…

      chaos
    1. Sorry to pop your bubble, but we concluded that there were two Okarins back in episode #9. The only way possible is Okarin using Suzuha time machine. A slim, but possible alternative is the future Okarin travel back into the past somehow…

      So yes, you will be seeing Suzuha soon

      chaos
      1. In case you forget me, I was the person asking if this show is worth watching back around episode 8. Do forgive me for unable to take part in discussion during episode 9. And thank you for recommending this one for me.

        lkaze
      2. You are right. Your slim possible alternative is probably what is going to happen. Once this d-mail is reverted the d-mail and time leap machine will be useless. Makise will cease to exist and the creation of the d-mail and time leap never happened. There will be only one way to travel back in time and Okabe will probably realize it out of desperation. The time machine left in the past when Suzuha left. Suzuha is dead but her time machine must have been hidden somewhere. Okabe will probably find it, travel back to episode 1 and this will bring us back to the point of origin. Because the time machine can travel only backwards, Future Okabe will be stuck on that day. He will probably fail to save Makise just as he did with Mayuri and be forced to return to the time machine and travel back once again until he finds a way of saving them both. That is if he isn’t the one that killed her of course.

      3. Nope, I highly doubt it…

        I know the D-mail would still work because Okarin have used it way before Makise D-mail. If you recall, he merely used a banana instead. As for the time leap, it is a small addition of parts to the D-mail. The only problem is that it need to use the LHC, which Daru did not have access to at the time of episode #1. I bet Okarin himself already know how to re-create the time leap technology from Makise.

        It still live the mystery of: why Okarin need to PHYSICALLY time travel to the past?…

        chaos
  36. All of the major contributors give us their thoughts during the monthly write-up. Steins;Gate is the first series that has ever made me want that on a week to week basis. What did Divine think of this episode? Takaii? Prooof?

    Rukia
    1. Enzo is the one writing this, but I am sure Divine, Takaii, and all the others are watching the episode as well. They just are not commenting. I do however see Divine drop in a comment once in a while.

      chaos
  37. Wow. This would’ve killed if I wasn’t spoiled. Kinda wished I avoided all the S;G discussions knowing their would be inconsiderate bastards who won’t think twice of spoiling the story.

    megalith
    1. Life tips:
      Don’t click the spoiler tag.
      Don’t pet a burning dog
      Don’t ask stupid question
      Don’t wander off

      Anyone can guess where these life tip come from? 1st one is mine.

      lkaze
      1. Don’t click the spoiler tag.

        Now why would I click the spoiler tag? Also I didn’t get spoiled here. 😛
        It’s just that sometimes I hate it when their are good discussions yet once things start to pick up they can’t be assed to use the spoiler tag. :/

        megalith
  38. The first episode is the key to everything. The title says it all. The beginning and the end. There are several factors that I knew would be important later on and I think I know what they hint to.
    1-According to Makise, Okabe tried talking with her 15 minutes earlier with a really worried face. That is how Makise knew Okabe and tried talking with him afterwards. He however had no idea what she was talking about.
    2-Metal Oppa’s disappearance. How could Mayuri lose such an important item? I say something is behind it. Also his phone started acting weird just before it. A d-mail?
    3-Okabe hears a male voice screaming. Try guessing who the male voice resembles. Then he hears sounds of someone moving away and then finds Makise dead.

    Number 1 is the most suspicious. Time Leap replaces memories meaning that if Okabe time leaped he would remember talking to her but he doesn’t. D-mail is a no go because Makise said he talked to her and had a worried look. Also Okarin has the reading steiner so he wouldn’t forget either. There is only one time travel method left that would explain number 1 and number 3. Yes….A traditional time machine, the same as Suzuha’s. That would mean that Okabe actually manages to do the impossible, time travel with his body without turning into jelly. Future Okabe would try to save Makise and warn her with a worried face but then he notices himself with Mayuri. He runs away trying to not meet himself. Then the conference happens, regular kyouma talks with Makise while future kyouma is with Mayuri and somehow steals the Metal Oppa. Then he returns to Makise sees how she dies and screams. Regular Kyouma hears the scream and runs finding Makise dead and future Kyouma runs away.

    It must be something similar to that or maybe there is another time leaper. With D-mail out of the option its either Time Leap or Time travel.

    What do you people think of my hypothesis?

      1. You are right. I mentioned the static phone call on the Metal Oppa part. As for Suzuha being there. Yeah she was the one that was waving back to Okabe. Normally I would assume that she is the past Suzuha but anything could be assumed. If we were to speak about going back in time, the past Suzuha is still on that timeline because she didn’t traveled back yet. That’s when she arrived. So that would make her time machine the future time machine. The past time machine is probably the one Okabe uses to go back in time. That is the time machine that Suzuha went back and the one that probably is somewhere since her death on the house Mr Braun used to live.

        It isn’t that Suzuha returns to the future timeline. It is that the time machine was in the past so in the present it would still be somewhere. Okabe will probably first have to find it. Then go back.

    1. You basically stated what I suspected since Episode #9, but I was crazy for pointing it out then. Not so crazy now am I?

      Being a time travel series, are you surprised that the storyline gone reverse back to the beginning? If I had say it, I would say the writers are rather genius in that turn of events.

      I still suspect that Makise’s death is not the true caused of SERN dystopia…my instinct point back at Okarin.

      chaos
      1. ? okarin is the leader of Sern and Kurisu is his ASSISTANT that suzuha recognize because kurisu has more exposure. Okarin also the leader of resistance to get complete control of time.

        Crazy crazy idea but damn if it true.

        lkaze
      2. That does sound crazy…

        Steins;Gate is true to its statement: 99% Science, 1% Fantasy

        So, I wouldn’t bet on it, but for what it worth, it was a cool idea (even if it is not real).

        chaos
      3. Well, according to Okarin, all he did was connect a phone into his microwave…

        Somehow, when the microwave turn backward and the phone connected to it is in use, it travels back in time. The big TV act as a particle accelerator allowing the electricity to travel back toward faster than normal. So he bypass the 1 second to 1 second time travel into 1 second to 1 hour.

        chaos
    1. I would cheer for that, but I think somebody need to say it. So I guess it would be me…

      I think there are a good numbers of spam comments made simply to push the comments number up to as high as possible. It was an interesting idea, but it is getting annoying now. I would like to see more genuine comments and speculations than spams and spoilers. I am not going to point fingers, but you guys know who you are… (don’t take that personally, I just say it the way I see it)

      chaos
      1. I do apologize if you meant me. If not me, then I’m guilty for commenting so much too. Although I am genuine in all my reply and it not to push the counter up.

        Hope it didn’t disturb anyone joy in RC.

        lkaze
      2. I guess number of reveals in this episode, from FB identity to the Okarin realising his final (?) choice between Kurisu and Mayuri, to redemption of sorts for the Shining finger, has generated most of the comments… though some were even comments on the number of comments (I am guilty!).

        ewok40k
  39. Isn’t the first world line is where the world is not controlled by SERN and no time machine was made? Why is the time machine even existed back in ep 1? Did I miss anything or making mistake at some point? Do please guide me, I’m in your care. 🙂

    Kiirito
    1. You are prefectly correct!

      That was I have been trying to explain to everybody. The original timeline is defined as the world without time travel. So episode #1 inclusion of John Titor, SERN, and Suzuha imply that it is NOT the original timeline…

      chaos
    2. The worldline in ep1 was where Okabe sent his 1st D-mail, so it must be the “original” worldline in our POV. And SERN’s failure != there can’t be time travel technology in the future. Note that the distopia is created in the Alpha Worldline because of SERN’s monoploy on the said technology.

      Kansokusha
  40. Definitely the best episode so far in my opinion, I think I’m the only one who did not know Mr Braun was FB and that reversing all the D-mails would mean the death of Kurisu.

    Destitude
    1. Not perfectly true…

      Yes, Mr. Braun identity came as a shocked to us all.

      Yes, reversing all the D-mail will killed Makise. HOWEVER, only true if you assume that Episode #1 timeline was the original timeline. Truth is, it is not. So there is a timeline prior to Episode #1 where Makise is alive, Mayuri is not destined to die, or any other characters will die, SERN dystopia never existed, and time travel never was created. THIS is consider the “original” timeline.

      AKA the original timeline is basically our reality in this world (the real world)…

      chaos
  41. Yo, Guardian Enzo…

    I just got an ingenious idea. Since Steins;Gate is becoming a popular show and there are always a large numbers of comments as well as speculations. You think you can create a poll for the few possible endings for Steins;Gate and let us vote on it?

    We can submit our theory on the ending to you. You can organize them and post them as a poll as well as the percentage so far voted. That why we can compared the winning theory to the actual ending for Steins;Gate. What do you guys think?

    chaos
  42. I don’t think that would work over here, Chaos, but I might throw something together at LiA – let me think about it. My concern is, would the VN folks refrain from either tipping the results or turning it into a spoiler-fest?

    1. LOL!

      Another good example of how spoilers ruin the fun for the rest of us…

      If only there was a way to separate the spoilers from the rest of us, a man can dream…a man can dream.

      chaos
  43. Are you guys aware of the theory saying that you can only travel back to when the first time machine was made. It seems S;G doesn’t follow this theory, as jellyfied people was found at the started of the century. I take it as the last hope for mankind to develop time travel. Cause if it was wrong, then why didn’t we receive any message to warn us about sept 11 or even WWII? Having received no warning mean that we would never master time travel 🙁
    Hope the theory is true.

    1. Or we could be in the original timeline. The timeline which would build a time machine and solve the problems. We are the pioneers, so ganbatte build a phone mircowave and start saving people! Or our world’s time travel could follow Mirai Nikki…

      deafvader
    2. Actually…

      Several things wrong with your statements.

      1) Technically, there was a time traveler: John Titor. We just thought he was crazy and not an actual time travel. However, it would be funny if he was INDEED a time travel and we f%cked it up. LOL!

      2) I don’t ever recalling Steins;Gate stating that time travel was limited to the creation of the time machine. There are limitations.

      Time Leap:
      I know Time Leap is limited by the amount of memory sent and can only goes back 48 hours. In order to use it again, it need to be created, so it is laso limited to the time of its creation.

      D-mail:
      D-mail is only limited by the creation of communication devices (such as cell phone, computer, and pager…) and the amount of text sent. If the text is longer than 36 bytes, it is sent as a second text message.

      Time Machine:
      Like that of Suzuha have only two limitations: you have to fit whatever you need into the satelite and you can only travel back in time, never forward. So time machine have no limits on how far you can go back.

      Jelly-man:
      The jelly-man was actually another method of time travel, but it is a failure because it kills its traveler. it too can travel to any point in time like a time machine. It is still unknown if the jelly-man method can travel forward into time…

      chaos
      1. I don’t think time travelers would wanna do that. Butterfly effect and all. And the theory you mentioned seems to only apply to closed-loop time curves. I don’t think it is applical to the multiple world theory this VN/anime has adapted.

      2. @Kratos

        I know that if we had time machine we will want to warn the past of the bad thing that will happen. However will we? The past is what made us(future self) who we are, if the past changed. Will we still possess the time machine that the intent was to change the past that never occur. Are we still the same person as before the change.

        I myself will believe that if we had time machine, it will serve more of a chain rather that a power beyond god. We will have to keep redoing the past until it the same with our history or we will be eliminated.

        I hope my communication skill is enough to bring over my thought to the matter.

        lkaze
      3. @Cybersteel
        WWII caused 73 millon deaths, No matter what the butterfly effect it’s worse a try, at least for those who went trough it. But it’s true if it’s only created in 200 years who would care about it, they will have nothing to win.

      4. To all those who wish to change the past…DON’T!

        These are wise words and consider them well. As much as I hate my past and the things I shouldn’t have done and the things that I should have done, the past made me who I am today. Beside, you can’t change the past anyway so why bother thinking about it.

        Wishing for a time machine is truly a delusion. Why not forgive and forget? Then move on with life. Time move forward, not backward…and so should you!

        If there was indeed a time machine, how would I do things differently? I would do everything all over again, except do it faster…

        chaos
      5. That would be fun if there’s really a time machine. I want to know all the outcomes. I want to experience all the possiblities. I deserve total chaos. Guess I’m as mad as Hououin Kyouma.

        Kansokusha
      6. @kratos

        Don’t you think the you now who wish to change the past and gain time travel ability to do so. But once you changed the past then the you who want to change the past no longer exist and there wont be YOU that will change the past. Thus nobody want to change the past which result your past not being changed and you be hoping to change the past again and when you gain the time travel again

        Paradox. So don’t try to change the past.

        lkaze
  44. Genius…

    Falmung just said something that caught my attention. If Okarin was indeed the second Okarin in episode #1, he have to use Suzuha’s time machine. But, how?

    If you recall, Suzuha travel to 1975 and died a few years afterward. So what happen to her time machine? It is still there somewhere, tuck away and hidden. I bet Mr. Braun would know where it was hidden. Then Okarin can used it to travel physically to the past. Everything makes sense now…

    chaos
    1. I’m not doing spoiler here but why is everyone still assume that the Beta Worldline will be the same with the current one? Then what’s the point of reverting all the D-mails? I’m talking about the facts in the anime. Susuha said that according to her knowledge in 2036, the Beta will be greatly diverged from Alpha if they delete the 1st D-mail from SERN’s database. Logically there will be no distopian future. And in turn the past events will also be effected by the diverged future. Judging by this huge timespan for the Butterfly Effect to do its job, Beta is TOTALLY different from Alpha. All we knew now are Kurisu’s death, Suzuha had a functional time machine and a 2nd Okabe. Nothing more.

      Okabe isn’t only dumb enough to recently remember Kurisu’s death in the original worldline, it seems that he has also forgotten he saw a time machine back then.

      Kansokusha
    2. In ep1, not only the time machine landed perfectly, Suzuha’s outfit is different too. In the Alpha Worldline, she looks like a guerilla, which fits her background – she’s from the resistance opposing SERN. But in the Beta Worldline, her outfit kinda makes her looks like a real soilder. Recall what has Okabe said in ep2. The “original” John Titor back in 2000. She(if we assumed that it’s still Suzuha) said she’s going to save the world from [insert your thought here]. And that’s definitely not SERN distopia because Okabe wouldn’t be surprised when he reads Titor’s claim on @ch. Someone suggested that the original worldline might be close to our own. Our John Titor…

      Kansokusha
      1. so what about that
        time line 1: there’s the civil war, and every thing happens has “our real” titor said in 2000
        in 2036 the time machine is created and our titor goes to 2000. it changes the past, thus creates a different future
        time line 2: we got our titor, in this line, time travel already exist due to titor and SERN takes control over it. In 2036 again, Suzuha decides to go back to 2010. There she find Makise(future SERN member) and kills her. Okabe finds the corps then dmails(timeline 3).

        I know 1 > 2 is not realy a time line change but it’s just to show the difference.

        Also find another proof there are two Okabes. When Suzuha gets out of her time machine she is making a X sign, probably to the second Okabe, witch mean she came there already knowing him, or with him.

    3. @Kansokusha

      Wait, then does this mean the original world is Beta worldline? And everything that we know of the Alpha worldline will be different? WOW that is a brave theory and yet so possible.

      BTW. Love your loli yandere avatar.

      lkaze
      1. Nah, that’s what has been suggested by Suzuha.

        And Hanada Yukki can go to hell. The bastard has ruined the whole Moeka arc. This was meant to be an emotional triller. Give me back my vengeful Nae.

        Kansokusha
      2. I don’t know who is Hanada Yuuki but if he/she is the one removing the loli yandere. Then she/he deserved to be hunted down by yandere loli Nae.

        I do realize Nae is not yandere but it sound so much cooler than vengeful. my 2 cent 😉

        lkaze
      3. Hanada is the screenwriter of the anime. But perhaps he’s not the one to blame. Oh yes, there’s recently an enforcement of the Tokyo Youths Healthy Development Ordinance. Screw Japanese politicians!

        And it’s not a matter of whether it’s cool or not. Here my opinion on how the change affected the overall presentation of this arc.
        Show Spoiler ▼

        Kansokusha
      4. That sound Show Spoiler ▼

        lkaze
  45. New theory about the reason of the time machine crash:
    in time line 1, Suzuha come alone and crash
    in time line 2, Suzuha come alone again and crash. From there she goes back with okarin to time line 1 but knowing they will crash they are more careful.
    in time line 1.1, they dont crash

    however what is sure is that a dmail is needed for them to go to timeline line 1 and rewrite it, but when?

    1. To be precisely Suzuha’s time machine(Alpha) materialized in the wrong coordinate. It was not detailed in the anime, but it’s an incomplete replica made by Daru using stolen technology from SERN. And it can only travel back in time. Come to think of it, despite he’s the inventor of the original phone microwave, it’s still impossible to build a time machine from the ground up all by himself.

      On the other hand, it seems that the time machine in Beta is fully functional. The future must be greatly diverged. So what could be gone wrong in that future?

      Kansokusha
      1. I’m guessing this is a joke clip and not a spoiler since your past post always put spoiler tag. But I do need to warn a bit to other traveller. The joke clip made from image from the VN, so if you are smart enough you might be able to draw some spoiler-like conclusion. Those who are seriously picky don’t watch it.

        I’m fine since I haven’t picked up my brain after I watch Mayo Chiki.

        lkaze
      2. Haha no problem. It’s just the opening of the spin-off fandisc – Delta aka Harem Worldline that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the main series. It’s spoiler free so have fun watching it. =)

        Kansokusha
      3. What!!? you mean all the cute scene and date and stuff normally seen in harem anime will never happen. Now I’m kinda sad to know that my BEST ending for the show will never happen. 🙁

        Well I never believe it will happen anyway but now it just feel like someone just told me that santa never existed

        lkaze
      4. AFAIK , the VN and anime only cover the Alpha and Beta lines. Delta is what Stein;Gate would be if it was more akin to Harem hijinks than Sci-fi. There is also the Gamma line, where Okabe is a Rounder, and an evil dictator in the future. Also in the gamma line, he only drinks Mountain Dew.

        Don’t worry there aren’t any spoilers for the main series. They’re all just “what if” scenarios.

        fragb85
      5. There also a Delta worldline, is it a light novel or some other medium. How can I view it?

        Btw sorry I keep asking the question easily answered in google but I really don’t want to accidentally spoil my self in the process of searching for it.

        lkaze
    1. Each Metal Oopa is actually a shell containing a tiny time machine of the same type as Suzuha’s. The metal ones sell for $100 each because SERN is collecting them all to reverse engineer them to make a big time machine. They were brought back in time as big time machines to 2000 in the Epsilon timeline by a heavily injured Kurisu, then shrunken into oopas, and hidden in coin-operated machines all over Akiba. Okabe needs to find and activate Mayuri’s metal oopa to create a Gamma timeline in which neither Kurisu nor Mayuri die. Doctor Nakabachi works for SERN and was sent to the Radio Building to find the metal oopa, based on intelligence from the future that there was one somewhere in the building.

      Digdug
  46. I also notice that Mayuri haven’t been playing an active role like she used to. It is like since Eposide #12, she has been dead and pop up once in a while like a spirit just to disappear again. What are they (the animators) doing to Mayuri?

    chaos
    1. This is to show that Okabe has detached from Mayuri. He has numbed by all those death scenes and timeleaps. After all the sacrifices, he must get the job done. He is now saving Mayuri for the sake of doing it. Mayuri doesn’t have much screentime because we have been following Okabe’s POV. In this episode, she said she felt like Okabe hasn’t talked to her recently. It’s a perfect reflection of the situation.

      Kansokusha
    2. They are trying to bring order to the CHAOS of “tutturu” epidemic that invaded our beloved RC since before episode 12.

      Tutturu

      Put your cursor over the word “chaos”

      P.S. AND also what Kansokusha said. Not much better to say after that.

      lkaze
    3. Tutturu!*bang*

      Anyway the anime has been portraying Tutturu well enough. Kudos on that. She barely had any character development until the climax in the VN. And her personal drama CD is a masterpiece that will make those who thought she’s just a moeblob drop their jaws. OVA please!

      Kansokusha

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