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Vinland Saga – 15

「冬至祭のあと」 (Yuru no Ato)
“After Yule”

Zaiden’s Take

Seems like arranging for the death of father figures before taking their sons under his wing has become a new hobby for Askeladd. But I definitely perceive a crucial difference in the motivational context behind their circumstances. Askeladd fundamentally respected Thors and wanted to see how Thorfinn could measure up to his father, in terms of useful combat capability as well as his profound ethos. After all, he would have simply left the boy to die had he been useless. But I also get the impression he’s disappointed in the boy, who is too obsessed in revenge for any possibility of self-reflection or growth. And with Canute, it’s entirely political, grounded in seeking the best outcome for Wales. He’s a nationalist to the core. In terms of offering a paternal figure in their lives, it’s entirely fueled by ulterior motives regarding his goals and personal gain, as opposed to sentimentality.

And there’s another key difference regarding their biological fathers. Thors died for Thorfinn, a sacrifice representing the ultimate expression of a father’s love for his child. Sweyn wants Canute to die for the sake of his own ends, the ultimate expression of an absence in love. Canute already had this intuition all along about King Sweyn. He sought comfort and salvation in God’s love for all humans, as children created in his image. That’s why he gave such an angry outburst when Willibad began doubting God, because it gives way to the distinct possibility that King Sweyn doesn’t love him. Which indeed proves to be the case. And that emptiness in his heart has been filled by Ragnar all this time. While he takes no shit and has a short fuse, there’s no denying he truly cared about the young prince and always tried to make every decision with his best interest in mind.

For that reason, you had to feel for Ragnar when he was betrayed, and ultimately murdered by Askeladd and his men. He poured so much of his life and love into raising Canute, only to die a dog’s death from the scheming of a cur. Worse still, Ragnar’s foresight was spot on. He never really trusted Askeladd from the outset, and perceived him as a scumbag trying to take advantage of Canute. And due to a lapse of judgement, now he has no choice but to leave the prince’s fate in Askeladd’s untrustworthy hands. He expressed skepticism towards Askeladd’s plans of travelling to Mercia by foot instead of going by sea, whereas the rest of the mercenaries piled through without any doubts. Winter struck earlier than expected, forcing them to wipe out a village to stake out a hidden base of operations, only for their secret to be exposed a mere ten days later due to Anne surviving the massacre.

And now that Thorkell’s caught wind of their location, not to mention the fact they’re completely enclosed within enemy territory, one can really begin to sense the premonition that Askeladd’s luck has completely run out. Karma has finally caught up to him, especially since he discovers that Canute has been intentionally set up to be killed off by the king – meaning that for his aspirations of political influence to mean anything, Askeladd would need to overcome Prince Harald and confront Sweyn himself. Although it may seem outlandish to us, any person who’s played Crusader Kings 2 would know that Sweyn’s cruel and ruthless behaviour is completely in the norm for his times. This is why primogeniture (first-born son succession) has been generally favoured through the ages among nations – the factional conflicts inherent to witenagemot (successor chosen by a group of nobles) tends to result in these politically complex internal struggles. If you were king in those days or started playing Crusader Kings 2, you would also start taking up the practice of plotting to kill off less competent sons, to clear a pathway for the competent one to rule without any sort of issue. King Sweyn did nothing wrong! (/s)

But if Griffith from Berserk often gets a pass from the community, regardless of whether those sentiments are actually serious or merely memes, then the question I’d like to pose would be this. Has Askeladd done anything wrong? For me, yes. And it’s what makes him such an excellent villain, that we find ourselves rooting for his cause, despite how wrong he is according to the objective moral standards of modern society. At the end of the day, he doesn’t kill for the sheer joy of it like Thorkell, and mostly conducts it out of pragmatism. Assuming Ragnar wasn’t killed off, would that change how doomed they seem to be, with a killing machine like Thorkell having sniffed them out? It’s understandable why Askeladd wants to deny Ragnar’s dying wish. Who would want their master plan to come apart at the seams due to some sentimentality? For Canute to grow from Askeladd’s perspective, Ragnar needed to be taken out of the picture. One has to wonder how this turn of events will affect Canute, and whether it will have the effects Askeladd intended. There’s no denying that the prince is extremely sheltered, and most people would expect him to take the news of Ragnar’s death very badly. But if his outburst against the priest and Thorfinn indicate anything, it should definitely hint that there’s potential in this boy with regards to doing what’s right and seeing through his personal will. Anyway, that’s about everything I wanted to discuss. As always, thanks for reading my post and I’ll throw it over to Guardian Enzo for his wonderful insights!

Guardian Enzo’s Take

It doesn’t take a lot of perceptiveness to see that Vinland Saga is the best thing going in anime right now. Heck, it may be the best thing it’s had going for a long time (at this point I’d rank it ahead of any 2018 series – though it’s not the only 2019 show I’d say that about). But I sometimes have to stop and remind myself just how damn good it is, week after week. This is TV that’s cinematic in the very best sense of the word – in scope, in production quality, in storytelling. Epic and deeply personal at the same time is pretty much a sure-fire ticket to greatness, and that describes Vinland Saga in a nutshell.

Speaking of which, epic and deeply personal are both traits I’d ascribe to Ohtsuka Akio. Among the small handful of great seiyuu I rank at the very top of the profession, Ohtsuka-san may be the one who most often makes me say “I can’t imagine anyone else possibly playing that part”. Seriously, Ohtsuka is Thorkell for me – all of his brutality and whimsy and well-hidden cleverness. Ohtsuka can blow the doors off while at the same time projecting very subtle nuances of the character he’s playing, something very few voice actors can do (and many would be lucky to be able to do just one or the other).

Thorkell and Askeladd are so opposite in so many respects, which is what makes them such fascinating bookends for this story. But they do have in common that they’re desperate not to lose any scrap they find themselves in, even if they have totally different methods of trying to prevent it. Because it’s the nature of Askeladd to be so meticulous, so careful, a surgeon of strategy, when he makes a mistake it both stands out and represents a huge threat to his success. The survival of the ring girl from the village he massacred was a huge mistake any way you cut it, and fate has led the girl right into Thorkell’s arms.

The matter of Karma is an interesting one where Vinland Saga is concerned, and I noted in my write-up last week my sense that Askeladd was not immune to it. Much is being made of Askeladd’s luck turning against him at last – heavy snow stalling his progress, Thorkell and the English discovering his location – but if one believes in luck, I think by definition they also believe in Karma. Askeladd is a real bastard – a magnificent one yes, but a bastard just the same. He’s a manipulator and a liar, someone whose only compass seems to be doing whatever he must to achieve his goals. He’s not exactly surrounded by saints, but even in this day and age Askeladd’s ruthlessness stands out because it’s so much colder and more detached than those around him (most dramatically Thorkell, perhaps).

Theoretically the advantage Askeladd has is that he’s not burdened by a belief system the way Canute and his party are. But if Askeladd is doing all this in pursuit of a political end, that may be just as much of an anchor around his neck. When we see Canute’s priest question the love of his God, we see real anger in Canute for the first time. And it’s clear why that is – for him, the Father is a personal necessity. Because his own father doesn’t love him and he knows it, the love of his Father in Heaven is something Canute must believe in to keep himself moving forward. And meanwhile all this makes Thorfinn think of his own father, whose voice still echoes inside his head and fills him with misgivings about the life he’s chosen to lead.

I can’t say I was surprised to hear that King Sweyn had sent Canute to the battlefield to die – frankly I’d pretty much assumed that from the beginning. Nor was I really surprised that Askeladd would have Ragnar assassinated – I suspected that might happen at some point, and as soon as his men arrived at the Prince’s hut I smelled a rat. Still, the way this was brought off was so brilliant that it was an utterly gut-wrenching sequence. Ragnar loved Canute to be sure, in a way the boy’s father never did. Ragnar died with honor even as he acted to help the man who’d killed him without it, knowing that man was Canute’s only chance of survival now.

I wasn’t kidding when I referred to Canute as a “stepson” to Askeladd – I think he views both the prince and Thorfinn that way, even if his motivations are completely selfish. Askeladd is a user – using people is simply what he does. Thorfinn is useful to him, not so much as Canute is but ironically more than he was now that he can be Canute’s peer and friend. Canute’s symbolic value – to Askeladd, to Thorkell, to Sweyn – is obvious. Now that his emotional father has been ripped away from him, he must grow up quickly. And while that’s what Askeladd wants and why he did what he did, there are risks in this for him – for if Canute comes to understand his situation and decides to start thinking and acting in his own interests, he becomes extremely dangerous to Askeladd. And the same, ironically, can be said of Thorfinn…

October 22, 2019 at 6:24 am
8 comments »
  • October 22, 2019 at 7:17 amewok40k

    Ah the lovely snake pits of the royal palaces…
    Yup between power plays and dire necessity or raison d’etat it is not surprise family doesn’t often become a paragon of love…
    Askeladd with his Machiavellian methods is uniquely suited to get onto a royal train if he picks right steam engine to put at the front. And he might just bet right because under that soft skin of Canute there is a steel of convictions and burning intellect.
    Meanwhile though his luck is definitely failing and even his merry crew of psychopaths for hire starts to notice it. It will take a major victory to restore their shaken moreale…
    If there was any happy point for me during the episode it was that Anne has survived. I am always rooting for the defenceless, and for her to survive was a rare gift in the cruel times of war. That it added drama to the main characters odyssey, all the better.
    I think we will have a new duel between Thorfinn and Thorkell coming, since Askeladd’s only hope of survival is if not defeating then at least wounding Thorkell so much that he won’t be able to act as tip of the spear for his troops.

  • October 23, 2019 at 12:01 pmworldwidedepp

    From only the Pictures and your line, i suppose this is Canute’s mother?
    https://randomc.net/image/Vinland%20Saga/Vinland%20Saga%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2001.jpg
    Well, it seems so
    https://randomc.net/image/Vinland%20Saga/Vinland%20Saga%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2008.jpg
    Hair color and even the same eye color

  • October 23, 2019 at 4:34 pmspikerman87

    Well, now I just want to play Crusader Kings 2.

    • October 23, 2019 at 8:18 pmIncognito

      Ah… It’s a shame Thrones of Britannia doesn’t have a mod set in the era of Vinland Saga.

  • October 23, 2019 at 8:16 pmIncognito

    That Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 reference… XD

    https://randomc.net/image/Vinland%20Saga/Vinland%20Saga%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2017.jpg
    https://randomc.net/image/Vinland%20Saga/Vinland%20Saga%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2019.jpg
    As an anime watcher, it’s nice to see Canute reveal his hidden depths. Cooking? Actually unexpected. On a different note, was ornamental metalworking in the Viking Age really that advanced? (That tray and goblet…) Also, I can’t help but wonder if fine porcelain already made it to Viking Age Europe?

    Now I don’t play Crusader Kings, but over in Rome: Total War (and its sequel), some family members become better at either warfare or city/empire management, and it’s rare to see one who excels at both. I sense Canute would be a “builder/artistic type” or “management” kind of leader, which is sadly not in tune with the Viking culture of warfare (and not what King Sweyn wants in an heir).

    Anyway, I had a feeling King Sweyn already expected Canute to fail the siege of London (and was hoping that Canute would perish), paving the way for Harald to ascend to the throne.

    And while the opening already foreshadowed it, seeing Ragnar die like that was still a gut punch. Damn… Just damn. But I am looking forward to seeing how Canute reacts and grows from this development.

    • October 23, 2019 at 11:30 pmworldwidedepp

      That tray and goblet could shut be loot from a raid of a Noble

      • October 24, 2019 at 3:33 amIncognito

        OK, let’s say that Sweyn’s army (or his ancestors) managed to get such treasures (the goblet and pitcher) from their annual Viking raids elsewhere in Europe. Goblets and pitchers (also plates and bowls) made from precious metals? Somewhat plausible. But the metalworking on the tray looks a little too modern and anachronistic for comfort.

        As for that plate, I did some more reading over on Wikipedia, and… Perhaps I mistaken that silverware plate for a porcelain one. It was only long after the Viking Age that porcelain made its way to Europe and the ceramics of the time would be something similar or close to ancient Roman pottery.

        Had to find the manga equivalent (Vol. 5, Ch. 30 – “Master And Servant’s Dining Table”) and it turns out… No metal tray in that version, just a panel where King Sweyn rejects Canute’s cooking. (The other one was a panel of the meal Canute serves to Thorfinn, which was given a panning shot in this episode.)

        Apologies if I got too hyper-focused on that one scene. It just breaks the immersion, that’s all.

        Otherwise, it was still a decent episode.

      • October 24, 2019 at 9:49 amworldwidedepp

        Europe castle Raid
        or raid of a rich merchant
        and so on, alone this Silver is high metal Class. I do not think common people could afford that

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