CLANNAD / First Impressions

Summary:

With a majority vote, Tomoyo and the student council decide to let Koumura be the adviser for both the choir club and the drama club. Nagisa is grateful for everyone’s help in officially establishing the drama club, though Tomoya reminds them that they can’t relax because they want to be a part of the upcoming school festival. In the meantime, he has some troubles of his own in the form of his teacher wanting to visit his home to talk with his father about his future plans. His teacher tells Tomoya to wait in the faculty room while he gets ready, but Tomoya instead tries to run away. Nagisa goes after him, and after she hears an announcement over the PA system calling for Tomoya, she drags him back to the faculty room. His teacher is amused at the fact that a girl can control Tomoya and invites Nagisa to come with them, but she can’t go because she has stuff to do with Koumura. When they arrive at the Okazaki home, Tomoya’s father isn’t around, and the teacher decides to wait, much to Tomoya’s dismay. Tomoya uses the opportunity to run off under the pretense that he’s going to search for his father, but he doesn’t get very far before running into Nagisa again. It seems that Koumura couldn’t meet with her, so she was bringing Tomoya his bag, and she makes him walk back to his house with her.

As he turns the corner near his house, Tomoya realizes that his father has returned and is now talking with his teacher. Tomoya’s father is in the process of saying that Tomoya’s future plans are for Tomoya to decide and that this isn’t something he should butt in on. Tomoya interprets this as his father not seeing him as a son, and he tells Nagisa that his father has acted this way ever since the argument that ended up with Tomoya hurting his shoulder. The two of them live under the same roof, but Tomoya feels that they haven’t been family for a long time. As a result of this, Nagisa offers to let Tomoya stay at her house because she thinks that some distance between him and his father will make them realize how lonely it is without each other. Tomoya agrees to the idea, and as he packs his bags, he thinks that he probably won’t ever return home again. He tries to wake his sleeping father to tell him that he’s leaving, and though his father doesn’t immediately get up, he manages to do so by the time Tomoya is ready to step out of the door. When Tomoya claims that he’s going to stay with a friend and doesn’t know when he’ll be back, his father says that he’ll be lonely without Tomoya, but Tomoya leaves anyway.

At the Furukawa bakery, Nagisa’s father acts like he didn’t know that Tomoya was coming to stay with them, though he eventually admits that he did after Nagisa’s mother warmly greets Tomoya. Being treated as part of the family and living a normal life here takes some getting used to for Tomoya, especially when Nagisa makes him say ittekimasu to both her parents when he leaves for school in the morning. Along the way to school, Nagisa admits that it’s thanks to Tomoya that she’s more confident, and she vows to work her hardest from now until the school festival. Later that day, Koumura shows everyone in the drama club all the stuff they have to coordinate in order to pull off a play, including costumes, lighting, and sound. The problem is that although Nagisa knows what kind of play she wants to do, she doesn’t yet know which one specifically. When she and Tomoya return to the bakery after school, they find a bunch of kids there for what turns out to be the cram school that Sanae teaches. Tomoya ends up asking Akio about it while he helps out with the bakery, and Akio reveals that Sanae used to be a junior high school teacher. Akio, however, is vague about why she stopped teaching.

That night, Nagisa pays a visit to Tomoya’s room, and the two talk about how it feels strange to each of them that he’s staying here. For Tomoya, it centers around how he never got to know his mother and has a strained relationship with his father, so he’s not used to seeing a family that gets along so well. Nagisa concedes that her parents really do cherish her, but she also notes that she thinks that there’s something she hasn’t apologized to them for. Though she doesn’t know what it was, she thinks that she did something terrible to her parents, and she wants to know what they’re not telling her so that she can apologize to them for it. In any case, Tomoya then decides to go pay a visit to Sunohara, and his friend is shocked to find out that Tomoya is now living with Nagisa. Sunohara takes it as a sign that Nagisa’s parents approve of Tomoya, and he can’t believe that Tomoya still insists that he doesn’t have that kind of relationship with Nagisa. Meanwhile, in the other world, the robot has gathered more junk so that he can create another doll. The girl who’s with him thinks that he wants a friend and apologizes because she realizes that he’s lonely by himself. The robot explains that the actual reason is that he thinks that if he can increase the number of existences like his, then things would be more fun. Picking up one of the pieces, the girl suggests that they try even if it might turn out to be useless.

Preview:

The first thing I noticed about this episode is that there was a ton more distance shots than usual. The overall animation quality wasn’t horrible or anything, but it’s not like KyoAni to need to cut back on animation budget. I just hope it’s not an indicator of things to come. As for the story, if there were still any doubts, this episode confirmed that we’re now past Kyou/Ryou and Tomoyo since none of them played any significant role here. It looks like the episodes from now on will focus solely on Tomoya and Nagisa, especially now that Tomoya has moved in with her family.

Speaking of which, the latest TV schedule listings have revealed that there are only three more regular episodes left before an extra summer vacation chapter as the finale. That sheds a little more light onto the brevity of Kyou/Ryou and Tomoyo’s stories, and it means that they’re probably only going to have time to cover the important plot stuff in the remaining episodes like Tomoya’s relationship with his father and Nagisa’s past, the latter of which is the topic of next week. However, the main thing I’m still curious about is how the robot stuff ties in to the normal story…

139 Comments

  20. this can’t be over right, Kyou’s arc was reduced to that small storage room scene? I can’t accept whats happening right now. Fuko’s useless arc spanned for like 5 episode and Kotomi

    anonimus
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  25. even tho u could see the nagisa/tomoya ending, i am still pretty mad and sad that they cut everyone out of the picture in 1 f*&king ep. i mean wow. but im not gonna quit this show because i always feels so calm and interested when i watch, shakagan no shana season 2 doesn’t even do that 🙁

    reggie
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  26. Good god…

    Kyou and Tomoyo’s arcs in the game are incompatible with Nagisa’s. They animated what they could of them.

    Of course, with the anime set at only 22 episodes, this might end terribly anyway…

    Kaisos
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  32. I agree with RmX, there’s just no way for KyoAni to successfully integrate more than a little bit from Kyou and Tomoyo’s story into Nagisa’s, as the former two focus HEAVILY on romance. Despite people seem to forget this, CLANNAD is supposed to be about family (or rather, how Tomoya’s family life sucks compared to everyone else’s), and that’s the major focus of Nagisa’s story. People just seem to forget that fact because of the overpowering (pfft) moe of the other cast.

    Myssa Rei
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  34. @Myssa

    All that doesn’t mean they have to make the part about the family more boring than the romance.

    I mean, okay, the show isn’t over. But like I said somewhere else, this arc better bring some compelling shit on the table.

    Rembr
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  36. Personally, I liked Ryou’s personality, but as far as I know, that kind of personality doesn’t match the stereotypical “ideal girl” in Japan, so… *shrugs* It’s somewhat hard to imagine they’d put her in the ending. >.> On that note, with something as popular as this, it’s hard to please everybody…

    —

    Misc thoughts from the raw:

    … I had to watch this twice to realize those kids were rummaging through Tomoya’s bag.
    https://randomc.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2020.jpg
    Tomoya gets upset, scares the girl (bottom left) and so a boy comes to her rescue (top right).
    https://randomc.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2021.jpg
    I can’t believe it took me this many years to realize that true “romance” can really start at such a young age. xD

    https://randomc.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2008.jpg
    “Um… Okazaki, shall we go to my house?”
    Oh, Nagisa… ^^”

    https://randomc.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2018.jpg
    Not as funny as the screencap makes it look, but still funny.

    https://randomc.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2027.jpg
    Someone’s jealous… ^^” For good reason, too, if you ask me. How many Nagisa fans are jealous of Tomoya?

    cbhl
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  40. I am enjoying hearing nagisa actually getting angry at tomoya for shrugging off the teacher those times. Thats a first to actually show her validly angry at tomoya. However, with the limited knowledge I can only pick out that hes skirting around why he is dodging and that nagisa thinks its just wrong.

    VendettaD
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  41. I’m annoyed they cut Kyou’s and Tomoyo’s arcs so short and now they’re using too much time on less interesting things.

    But I guess, if Kyou’s and Tomoyo’s arcs really can’t be integrated because of all the romance; if people really want to know they can always try getting the original game.

    Karame
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  42. I don’t know what people watch anime for nowadays. I watch it like I would for any movie I haven’t seen yet. I don’t know what’s going to happen in it, so I watch for unravelment. I don’t watch it for things such as which character gets more screentime, or which character ends up with the main character. I watch with an open mind, and just let the anime unfold itself. I don’t get angry if things don’t happen the way I want them too – it’s not me who made it. It’s like when reading a book, I’ll say, “Oh, so that’s what happened huh?”, rather than, “I wanted that character to stay alive! I’m not reading the rest of this crap!”. I just watch for pure enjoyment.

    Ryan M.
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  43. 2nded ryan.
    If ya cant enjoy the story for the story then GTFO mah clannad torrents.
    Seriously, this isnt about which char gets screen time. Its ment to be the supporting points (balls of ligt) for something that may or may not happen later on. Clanad focuses on the theme of family and nagisa and tomoya are the main chars.

    VendettaD
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  44. If you guys knew anything about Kyou’s route or Tomoyo’s route, you would realize that it’s basically impossible to do almost anything with them. Main reasons for Kyou is that in her route, Tomoya is basically forced to go out with Ryou, and obviously that isn’t going to happen… They actually went as far as they could, in fact went further, because of that storage room scene isn’t actually in Kyou’s route, but more of a side game bonus.

    For Tomoyo fans, I think that having the Tomoyo house wife scene really pushed her limits that she could do that involved her route. Aside from that, she has done most of her scenes before going out with Tomoya that doesn’t bring them too close together.

    Besides, it’s an anime that can only have one timeline, and Tomoya doesn’t have the personality of Makoto from School Days. With that said, there is obvious reason why they can’t give us many of the scenes from other girls routes. If you guys think I’m saying this because I’m a Nagisa fan… that wouldn’t be exactly right, because by story I like them in the order of Tomoyo – Kotomi – Nagisa – Kyou, and by character personality I like Tomoyo – Kyou – Nagisa – Kotomi. I don’t hate Nagisa but I also don’t favorite her.
    for the people who have played the game and wonder why I didn’t list Fuko…Show Spoiler ▼

    Convael
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  46. “My favorite girl lost, i’ve lost the motivation to watch this blah blah blah”

    And nothing of value was lost. That being said, while Nagisa being only a decent mid tier main girl compared to Tomoyo or Kyou, with the After Story, she has the best route in Clannad.

    anon
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  48. People just needs to stop thinking that CLANNAD is the same as Kanon. They deal with completely different themes.

    I really hope they don’t screw up on dealing with Nagisa’s story.

    From this pacing, the After Story will be dealt in 2nd session or in OVA. Personally, I’m hoping for a total of 36 episodes.

    solgae
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  50. Have to say, that the show has lost its zing for me as well. I knew what was coming – that was clear from just the opening sequence – and I agree there’s all sort of technical issues with beefing up the other routes… but I had some sort of crazy hope. However there are some issues here that are more than just “your favourite girl losing”.

    Firstly, with shutting down Kyou and Tomoyo you have essentially finished any romantic tension to the series. All that is left is to limp towards the end where Nagisa and Tomoya admiting they like each other. Not that this is a major failing… this version of the series seems more focused on Comedy and Family Drama than on Romance, and sure there is some tension still to milk out of the “will they/wont they” final step.

    Secondly, two of the most dynamic characters have been sidelined, and the focus has shifted to the second most passive person in the main line up. There is a palable lose of energy to the story. Kyou and Tomoyo were pro-active and always entertaining to watch. And they pushed and challenged Tomoya to act beyond his own depressed state. Nagisa responses so far have usually been weak and helpless, bordering on childish, and Tomoya’s responses to them have been low-key, oblique and almost parental. Still, I’m sure there be some beefing up of Nagisa in the coming episodes, so that she starts doing things rather than having things done to her. Her growth, and the subsequent growth of Tomoya is probably what the writers will see as the dramatic climax of the series.

    Meh.

    I’ll probably keep watching, mostly for the comedy, and the hope there will be a surprise or two in there somehwere.

    vagaries
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  51. “you have essentially finished any romantic tension to the series”

    What the heck are you talking about? Clannad isn’t about romance, its about family. The only real “romantic tension” that ever occured in the game was in Kyou’s route, which is the weakest route.

    anon
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  52. I dont hate Nagisa, in fact I dont dislike any of the main female lead in KEY (Mizusu/Kanna, Ayu, and Nagisa) Although I like other characters better than them except in Air I prefer Kanna above everyone else. Still in Clannad Nagisa is pretty cool, she isn’t really a boring character, that description would fit Ryou or maybe Yukine but she is more interesting in the game, Nagisa is definitely not boring especially her interactions with Tomoya by far, I keep remembering that “Sunohara loving Tomoya” scene lol and the “Ryou Confession scene” lmao. In any case I do prefer that Clannad would explore romance more than family genre like with Tomoyo or Kyou, though I prefer Kyou in this anime, since Tomoyo in the game (Tomoyo after) is very much romance/drama centered. Though it makes sense that it should be Nagisa since not only does it deal with family theme but a bit of romance as well between Nagisa and Tomoya. Also I heard the Clannad movie was more romance centered between Tomoya and Nagisa, though this is unconfirmed.

    Lex Luthor
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  59. @getsu
    I don’t think its the length.. it really seemed like the art changed this episode, the beginning scene most of the girl’s hair seemed different, and like was said, there’s alot of distanced shots this episode, and the art seemed a bit lower in quality for some of those scenes.

    And to all of you.. I think by now we should realize exactly what the opening of this anime is, its foreshadow… Though it may be obvious, it’s actually really done well, considering things such as Nagisa doing these scenes where she’s openly expressing herself to Tomoya is in there, along with alot of other main character points. If you want to take that into consideration, there is a high chance that Kyou is gonna have some kind of huge scene some time.

    No spoiler tag because it’s really your choice if you want to double check what scenes are missing and guess what happens. I’m mainly saying this because of how depressed the Kyou fans are, and telling them the reason some people have been saying that Kyou isn’t gone yet.

    Convael
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  60. Whoa determined Nagisa ftw. She’s definatly the best key main girl and she gets more development than Misuzo/Ayu (Moe power A+ too). I’m pretty annoyed at all the “omg my favorite girl doesn’t get as much screen time T.T” but people are entitled to their opinions. Tomoyo is my favorite girl but after reading hers and Kyou’s routes it’s understandable that they cut their routes short. I hope kyoani will pull off a good Nagisa route since I’m holding off on that one.

    FlameStrike
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  61. whenever i see this show’s screenshots it always features that one guy that gets owned by the girls.

    granted i dont watch this show

    but man that guy must cry himself to sleep at night

    asdas
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  62. Man people just need to get over expecting godly earth shattering things from Kyoto Animation all the time and just let the show take it’s course, as it’s doing. The show may not be a masterpiece, but I don’t think it’s necessarily bad overall. I doubt things are going to end up a disaster and even if they do there’s still always the game to play. Just sit back and watch the show. After all it’s pretty much a courtesy to people who would prefer to see it in animated form rather than clicking through the text on their PC.

    Kaioshin Sama
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  63. Kaoshin-Sama: I don’t really think there’s even anything remotely close to a disaster as far as CLANNAD is concerned, it’s just that a lot of folks seemed to be hating on Nagisa just because she’s taken center stage instead of the characters they liked. Talk about obsessive… Nagisa is fine as it is, and, again, given the subtle theme of family (or, as I oft repeat, how Tomoya’s family life sucks), is a shoe-in for the ‘intended one’ as her story focuses primarily on family (the romance stuff comes in afterwards).

    Myssa Rei
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  65. given Clannad is a visual novel based on the theme “family” and not romance, i wonder if those people who QQ-tearfest actually did any kind of read-up about Clannad in the first place…

    Eien
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  67. @Eien and other people QQing about QQers:

    I’m sure some have read up on it. I sure have. It’s just that the show got exponentially more entertaining during the Kyou arc, for romantic reasons or otherwise. All the family jazz is okay and all, but Kyou, for me, has delivered. And ever since couple episodes ago, Clannad has been fun to watch. Let’s see if it keeps up during this arc, or fade back to mediocrity.

    I understand they’re working with a mostly predetermined script. People are just saying that they liked the certain part of it more than others. Of course, those opinion may change depending on how this arc plays out. We’ll see. But from all the critical responses, it seems that Kyoani has shattered earth during the last couple episodes that made the audience wanting more of Kyou/Tomoyo rather than Nagisa. Will they do the same with Nagisa? Hey, we’ll see.

    Rembr
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  68. Actually, I was under the impression that the sudden outpouring of Kyou and Tomoyo love was anything *but* critical, since, for some reason, people perceived that Kyou’s slide from tsun-tsun to dere-dere was cute. Moe-obssession in a nutshell. As for Tomoyo, uh, I won’t comment on Tomoyo After. It had drama, sure. But the heck, I think people loved it more for the sex, as Jason Miao put it.

    Myssa Rei
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  69. That’s gonna be as critical as it can get in a moe anime.

    The show can cram some theme about family or whatever all it wants on the cover, but obviously that’s not gonna be the selling point.

    Rembr
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  70. @Myssa Rei
    I don’t know how many Tomoyo fans are like me, but I enjoyed Tomoyo’s route the most in the visual novel, and read the Tomoyo After manga, and thought it was really great. The manga has no ero scenes and is probably just a really shortened version of the game, giving Tomoyo an after story that shows her character and dedication to Tomoya more.

    Convael
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  71. “It’s just that the show got exponentially more entertaining during the Kyou arc”

    The only parts of Kyou’s route in the anime was eating lunch with the twins and the horoscope machine. The Basketball Game is Nagisa’s and the Locked Storage Room is Yukine’s. Now, how did Kyou’s arc made the show exponentially more entertaining?

    anon
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  72. I just don’t understand why they would put the Kyou rain scene in the opening. Tomoyo had everything in the opening animated, so I guess I’m fine with them ending her route there, but Kyou had only one of the three scenes animated from her little part in the opening.

    In terms of family, Kyou’s route may be the weakest, but it is in no way a boring or a bad route. It was definitely my favorite route in the whole game after the necklace was bought for Kyou.

    linkthe2nd
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  73. “In terms of family, Kyou’s route may be the weakest, but it is in no way a boring or a bad route.”

    Even without the whole family theme, Kyou’s route IS bad. Heck, Tomoyo’s route didn’t really rely on the family stuff. 60% of the route without the heroine herself? A few great scenes doesn’t save a route from failing.

    anon
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  74. @anon

    Are you just arguing technicalities with me? I’m sure you know what was meant. Ask again if you want me to explain it to you what I meant by Kyou arc if it really is necessary.

    Rembr
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  75. “Are you just arguing technicalities with me? I’m sure you know what was meant. Ask again if you want me to explain it to you what I meant by Kyou arc if it really is necessary.”

    The fact is, those scenes were not her “arc”, thus, Kyou’s arc didn’t make the show “exponentially more entertaining”. The storyline(Nagisa’s and Yukine’s) is what makes it entertaining. Period.

    anon
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  77. @anon

    Hahah, is that what you’re trying to argue?

    Okay, okay, replace all instances of ‘Kyou arc’ with ‘last couple episodes that involved mainly Kyou.’

    Does that clear up any confusion on your part sir?

    Rembr
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  78. “Hahah, is that what you’re trying to argue?

    Okay, okay, replace all instances of ‘Kyou arc’ with ‘last couple episodes that involved mainly Kyou.’

    Does that clear up any confusion on your part sir?”

    No lol. Kyou IS replaceable in those scenes. And nothing of value was lost, except for her screentime.

    anon
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  80. K.. why do people not get a simple thing.. Fuko and Kotomi arcs had enough material without Tomoya choosing them. On the other hand, Kyou and Tomoyo’s arcs have a chunk only once Tomoya starts dating them. Now KyoAni cant do a polygamy here. We all knew that it was heading for Nagisa, so kyou fans, Pls play the game and dont hate a series because of such reasons. Atleast unlike other useless harems where the lead is trying to be nice to all, here the lead is much strong minded and definitely never gave Kyou any wrong signals.

    Toxic
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  82. My previous post was for anon. But I’ll respond to Toxic as well while I’m at it.

    @Toxic:

    At the very least, I’m not hating a series that’s not even finished yet because of the reason. I’m sure most of the others are on sort of the same line as well.

    Rembr
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  83. “And that’s where a lot of people will disagree, as you can see from a lot of people’s comments on here.

    And that’s what people are talking about here, welcome to the discussion.”

    The only problem is, its a fact that Kyou can be replaced in those said scenes. Not an opinion. Akio, Misae, Fuko, Yusuke or Tomoyo can replace Kyou in the basketball game. Nagisa, Tomoyo or Akio can replace Kyou in the Locked Storage Room. If you’re not getting the hint, Kyou is only one of the selection.

    anon
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  84. @anon

    But Kyoani chose Kyou for those scenes.

    And the audience liked that. Now they want more of her.

    Will it have had a same effect if Kyou was replaced by someone else? Who knows. But from the current amount of fan raving, Kyoani’s decision seems correct, perhaps even the best.

    Rembr
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  85. The point is, the rise of the show’s entertainment doesnt rely on Kyou. She can add up to the factor but never is she the deciding factor if the episode is great or not. Since she can be replaced by Tomoyo, who is the most popular girl in Clannad.

    anon
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  86. ^^” This is the great thing about anything halfway popular — you can always find someone to argue about something with.

    Everyone has different reasons for watching. It’s impossible to make everybody happy.

    cbhl
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  89. @anon

    Obviously I liked Kyou’s screentime more than the others, but that wasn’t exactly a secret, and that still doesn’t really explain what point you’re trying to make there.

    Seriously, are you trying to argue something, or did you just jump in making random technicality post and then down to borderline pointless posts just to troll?

    I mean, I don’t mind. The work’s slow, being the end of the month. But it’d be a bit more entertaining if you actually stated what exactly you’re trying to accomplish here so I can help it take off a bit more.

    Rembr
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  90. @Rembr
    I think you should realize that they’re seriously pushing Kyou into the storyline as much as possible. This is mainly because like anon said – they could have put other characters in the basketball game or storage room scene, but they decided to put Kyou in there. In other words you should be happy they let Kyou go into those scenes, because there really isn’t much of Kyou’s route that they can put into this story without demolishing it. Think about it, Kyou’s route goes around Tomoya dating Ryou almost the whole time, just that factor makes it impossible because Ryou is almost the furthest from Tomoya’s interest.

    Basically, unless Key decided to rewrite the whole script where maybe Nagisa is somehow Kyou’s older sister, and Kyou helped Nagisa get together with Tomoya, then maybe things could have worked into Kyou having a larger appearance. But thats obviously asking for too much and would break the whole Clannad storyline…

    Convael
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  91. “If you’re not getting the hint, Kyou is only one of the selection.”

    “The point is, the rise of the show’s entertainment doesnt rely on Kyou. She can add up to the factor but never is she the deciding factor if the episode is great or not. Since she can be replaced by Tomoyo, who is the most popular girl in Clannad.”

    This is my point. Which is explained better by Convael.

    anon
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  93. Nagisa haters be damned as of this episode. Obviously she was going to be the One, from the first minute of the show, and to imagine anything else was just wishful thinking from people who played the game with a different fave girl. But I loved how she finally steps up to the plate in the beginning of this episode. Funny scene too, with Okazaki running from the teacher and her chasing.

    Not nearly as funny as Sunohara’s little melodrama though, that was his finest hour.

    Mike
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  95. Akio should have been the main character. He would’ve done the right thing and gotten all the girls.

    “It’s really sad when a man loses his harem”

    More gar words have never been said.

    Rift
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  96. Whether or not Kyou’s route is dependent on romance is quite irrelevant. I’m sure they could put a lot of the material without saying directly that “Tomoya and Ryou were going out”.
    But Kyou’s route just being plain bad? I know the beginning with the lunch scenes were quite boring, but this is pretty much an opinion difference. I think it was an awesome route, and everything except Nagisa’s route (Which I haven’t touched yet)pales in comparison. Yes, even Tomoyo’s. If you think Kyou’s route is bad, tell us YOU THINK Kyou’s route is bad rather than saying it IS bad.

    I don’t give a crap about whether they chose Nagisa as their main heroine, I’m cool with that. Just why the hell could they not come up with a better ending for her than the crapfest that was the end of episode 18?
    I have to say that episode 19 is my least favorite of all Clannad episodes, not because of Kyou’s arc ending, but simply because this episode wasn’t very interesting. One scene of comic relief was great, but yeah, this was definitely a weak episode.

    linkthe2nd
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  97. @linkthe2nd
    Well.. you’re probably in for much more boring episodes if that’s what you think, and since you did think that things in Kyou’s route could have been done, put in a spoiler what else could have been done… Because seriously, they did the part where they eat together, she bumps into him throughout the series, the only thing that I could think of would have been when Tomoya tries to get a ride from Kyou, or maybe some of the Botan scenes.

    Convael
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  100. Well I disliked Kyou’s route, I thought it would be ok since I’m a Kyou fan but it was as bad as they say. Out of all the routes I’ve played (Haven’t gotten to Fuuko, Koumura and Nagisa) I like Tomoyo’s the best for various reasons. Mostly due to Tomoyo’s awesome personality. Kyou’s route just didn’t click for me. The Tomoya x Kyou chemisty wasn’t all that great imo. It seemed like he was kind of tired of Kyou dragging him around all the time. Although they make fun of Sunohara togheter (Tomoyo does so too).
    Kinda spoilers: Kyou’s like LOL GO OUT WITH MY SISTER OR BAD END!!!!! Then Ryous like TOMOYA KUN!!! Then Kyou’s like OSHIT NVM I LIKE U BUT PLZ 4GET ABOUT ME!! Then Tomoya spends the rest of the route going STAB I”M IN PAIN LOL on his dates with Ryou untill Sunohara slaps some sense into him and then he goes LOL RYOU 2BAD I LIKE KYOU!! Then Kyou and Tomoya get togheter and live happily ever after. Ryou gets another boyfriend which I assume is Kappei. Kappei x Ryou is way better than Tomoya x Ryou.

    Anyway I really enjoyed this episode since the Nagisa x Tomoya was really fun to watch. There’s great development on both of them and the contrasting family enviorments that Tomoya and Nagisa were brought up in is clearly shown.

    FlameStrike
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  103. Anyone who hasn’t played the game who wants to shouldn’t open this spoiler-
    @FlameStrike
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    Kyou was my favorite before playing the visual novel, then Tomoyo became my favorite easily after playing it. The only thing I’d say that could have been added to the anime to make Kyou better is if she made more of her unrealistically brutal threats to Tomoya… those always made me laugh.

    Convael
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  106. Man some people really need to play the game to understand this story. Here is a simple heads up. Clannad is a story about Tomoya, how his happy life gets destroyed thanks to a incident (actually it’s 2 incidents, he nearly recovers from the first before the 2nd happen). He is that robot you saw in the beginning and the other females arcs are his path of redemption to get back what he lost. If you read through the line you will know exactly what has happened and why KyoAni chose this arc at it’s main. Think of it as Hercules 12 task of redemption.

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  108. I can’t understand why does everyone hate to see Nagisa and Tomoya together XD Kyou and Tomoyo might be awesome characters (specially Kyou, lol she rocks XD) but i don’t really think they would do a good pair with Tomoya xD (well i’ve never played the original game of clannad before, maybe that’s why i’m so happy to see Nagisa and Tomoya together).

    Anyways, can’t wait for the next ep! ^^

    ayame
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  109. at last… i have just watched 19.. much awaited..

    its now leading to conclusions that tomoya is going for nagisa… 🙂
    nagisa’s so cute in this episode… although some shots are bad… especially distance shots when theyre running… sigh…

    i just barely undrstand the part when sunohara’s talking to tomoya about nagisa being that sad??? hmmmm …

    anyway, can’t wait for the next episode to be subbed,,,

    hey… it not that there are pnly 3 episodes to come.. its just that… before summer chapter to come.. there are only 3 remaining episodes… am i right?

    setsuna f. seiei
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  110. “But Kyou’s route just being plain bad? I know the beginning with the lunch scenes were quite boring, but this is pretty much an opinion difference. I think it was an awesome route, and everything except Nagisa’s route (Which I haven’t touched yet)pales in comparison. Yes, even Tomoyo’s. If you think Kyou’s route is bad, tell us YOU THINK Kyou’s route is bad rather than saying it IS bad.”

    Analyze it unbiasedly. It IS a bad route compared to the others. Just because Kyou is an awesome character, it doesn’t mean she has a great route. It has a few great scenes, but that doesnt save the whole route from failing.

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  111. Uh no, you and some others think it’s a worse route compared to others, but I for one liked it much better than most of the other routes, whether I liked the character or not. Tomoyo was actually my favorite character before playing the game, but after I played both their routes, I came to like Kyou better. It was a painstakingly slow route, but all of it added to the feeling.
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    I don’t see how this kind of route is bad in any way. It had great character development, great use of secondary characters and had a huge build up. My respect went up for Sunohara especially. His character totally changed, and his serious side came up. He didn’t stop from throwing in funny comments like “And by the way…. You’re so lucky to be worrying about these things!!!”

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  112. @linkthe2nd Well everyone’s entitled to their opinion. I didn’t think the route was “just plain bad” I just thought it was worse then others for a vareity of reasons. I guess one thing was that I couldn’t get into the whole “Feeling Tomoya’s pain thing” to me it was kind of annoying to see him go SLASH A STAB OF PAIN HITS ME AS I KISS RYOU T.T IS IT GUILT!?!? I was expecting lots of Kyou awesomeness but instead there was almost more Ryou then Kyou. It’s not that I don’t like Ryou, but all her EH UM EHHH?!’s got annoying. She’s alot more shy then Nagisa. Also I had a hard time seeing how Kyou x Tomoya ended up developing. I’m not too much of a fan of the love triangle things either where girl A sets up girl B to get together with a guy but girl A likes the guy too.

    One reason I liked the Tomoyo route best besides her awesome personality was that I could really connect with the feelings of the charaters during the route. I could understand why they broke up but it was still really sad. Also Tomoyo and Tomoya had great chemistry/development for them getting togheter which I couldn’t see as much in Kyou’s route.

    Well to each their own I guess. I’m not saying you have to dislike to Kyou route, just putting in my 2 cents on why I didn’t like it.

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  113. Sure, you can dislike Kyou’s route, it’s simply a matter of opinion, but that ‘anon’ guy wants to tell us otherwise that it’s ‘just plain bad’ and the route ‘failed’. I walked into it expecting happy romance and stuff too, but was quite surprised with everything. Which was good for me.

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  114. “I don’t see how this kind of route is bad in any way. ”

    Main heroine herself doesn’t show up 60% of the route.

    “It had great character development”

    If you mean by Ryou, then yes, she did develop a bit. And of course, there’s Tomoya, who went from, sarcastic lead to generic indecisive harem male.

    “great use of secondary characters”

    Not really. Sunohara was only visible at key points of the route, he was not used as good as you think.

    “had a huge build up”

    Which was uneeded.

    “My respect went up for Sunohara especially. His character totally changed, and his serious side came up.”

    Sunohara’s character changed? He never changed in this route.

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  115. Nagisa in the game was a very major character, but there were five main characters in the game, whether you accept them or not.
    Nagisa
    Fuko
    Kotomi
    Kyou
    Tomoyo

    And no, I don’t mean just Ryou. Kyou had great development as well, in case you haven’t really even tried playing the game or reading my summary. Sunohara played quite a major role in this route, and his character may not have changed, but at some point, there was a completely different side of him that was shown.

    It feels like I’m talking to a brick wall here, there really was nothing bad about this route, and it sure as hell was not a failure.

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  116. “Nagisa in the game was a very major character, but there were five main characters in the game, whether you accept them or not.
    Nagisa
    Fuko
    Kotomi
    Kyou
    Tomoyo”

    I dont see why you’re bringing this up. Since everyone knows that Clannad has 5 main heroines.

    “Sunohara played quite a major role in this route”

    No. His role was very minor. All he did was point out something for Tomoya to realize. A key point, yes, but his role is still minor.

    “there really was nothing bad about this route, and it sure as hell was not a failure.”

    Hmm … lets see. A story that relies on character and not plot. Then said story must rely on the character themselves, and in that case, character chemistry and interaction is a must. Both are lacking in this route.

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  117. I brought up the main girls because you stated that Nagisa didn’t show up for 60% of the route. Who gives a flying fuck? It’s Kyou’s route, not Nagisa’s. Kyou has her own story, so who cares if Nagisa isn’t a big part of it?

    If I’m misunderstanding, I’m sorry. If you mean how Kyou didn’t show up 60% of the time, then you’re totally missing it.Show Spoiler ▼

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  118. I think the reason why people are saying Kyou’s route is bad is because of how her own route lacks the impact that the other route can offer. Kyou/Ryou’s route is not that bad, but it is the weakest route IN THE GAME because of its romance-heavy theme. Kotomi and Fuuko had a large impact because of how their route stresses the importance of the family, which is what CLANNAD is all about. Kyou/Ryou’s route pretty much turned into a romance story that we all seen before, so the impact is much less. Kyou’s character may be a win, but the fact is, she serves far better as a supporting role in other character’s route than being a main in her own one.

    To add on, Tomoyo’s route is pretty much the same as Kyou/Ryou’s route. So a girl fell in love, they go out together, then break apart, then rejoin again. When have we heard this story before? Sure, her character is pure win. No doubt. But her story is also pretty much the same generic romance story that we already seen 1209423423 times, with some family-themed part tucked that feels more like as an after thought. Plus, her route felt incomplete, which is solved by Tomoyo After, but the game did not had as much impact as CLANNAD’s after story.

    I agree, however, that Tomoyo-Tomoya pairing is nearly as good as Tomoya-Nagisa pair, even though I’m all for the latter one. Both Tomoyo and Tomoya have bad histories with their respective families, after all, so there’s a lot of understandings from each other.

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  119. @linkthe2nd
    I think its sorta obvious its Kyou hes talking about, because Nagisa is almost not inside of Kyou’s route.

    Lots of people do not like Kyou’s route for obvious reasons..
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    Second – Show Spoiler ▼

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  120. “I brought up the main girls because you stated that Nagisa didn’t show up for 60% of the route. Who gives a flying fuck? It’s Kyou’s route, not Nagisa’s. Kyou has her own story, so who cares if Nagisa isn’t a big part of it?”

    If you know how to read between the lines, Im talking about Kyou’s route. Not Nagisa’s.

    “And Sunohara DID play a big role for sure. Even if it was a short scene, there’s no way you can convince me that bridging the gap between the two and spilling the beans is a minor role. There are such things as small but major roles, and Sunohara does, in fact, play quite a major role.”

    Big scene! = Big role. Know the difference.

    “You seem to love to purely troll, not backing up any of your points, but simply stating your opinions like they’re facts.”

    Sure, call me a troll. I guess your fanboyism makes you blind from the truth. Im stating what i’ve analyed, why dont you rebunk them instead of complaining?

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  121. How am I being a fanboy? I like all the characters. Unhappy that they messed up another messed up anime adaptation because of lack of proper storyboarding.

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    And ‘analyed’ my ass. You pick certain lines in hopes, nitpicking.

    And yes, I didn’t like Ryou at all either, btw. She was quite a boring character, to me, kinda similar to Nagisa. I admit that up to May 07, it was quite boring, but afterwards, it was all good.
    Kyou cutting her hair was quite a good scene as well. Another sign of her desperation. It slightly reminded me of Sakura from Naruto, though they were under quite different circumstances. She knew Tomoya liked longer hair, but sacrificed it to show how far she was willing to take it to be with him. Might because I was half asleep from playing it until 4 am in the morning, but it woke me up and made me have an OSHIT moment. That’s the only time I actually thought Ryou was good, finally stepping aside from something impossible. I did also think that the epilogue was really sweet. The “I’ll grow my hair longer and longer so you’ll love me” was quite childish and quite Kyoulike, and I had an aww moment.
    The reason the beginning is so boring, I think, is because most of Kyou’s story happens after all the decisions are made. Most of the other characters had their relationship with Tomoya shown during the decision making phase, but I guess there would have been more three way forked decisions in the story if that happened. They had to get all the decisions and stuff out of the way, and Ryou was a giant filler. Wasn’t the best way, really.

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  124. @linkthe2nd
    No offense, but I really don’t get how you were a Tomoyo fan and went to a Kyou fan after playing the game… if you compare Tomoyo’s route to Kyou’s route, there’s really almost nothing that Tomoyo loses at.
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    Anyone wanting to play the game should not read all of these spoilers because it’ll ruin everything:
    As for character feelings and plot, we have:
    Tomoyo – Show Spoiler ▼

    For storyline mainpoints – Show Spoiler ▼

    Kyou – Show Spoiler ▼

    For storyline Mainpoints – Show Spoiler ▼

    Anyway on a side note, how many of you are gonna play the full voice version of the visual novel? I definately wanna try it out to see how much better it makes it.

    Convael
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  125. Given that CLANNAD is family based and not romance based, they would naturally shorten the romantic arcs for time on the family arcs. Fuko’s arc was longer because she was a driving force for Tomoya to start having feelings for a family, and while I do agree that the random Fuko appearences are getting annoying, her arc was more family based. Kotomi’s arc is about her family being torn apart by an accident and then having Tomoya helping her get out of depression. As for Tomoyo and Kyou, their arcs are more romance and being competition for Nagisa (And because this part is for fans of romance). As for Nagisa… We still haven’t seen her arc finish yet so why that hell are you all complaining already?

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  126. all i gotta say is that i woulda beat that little kid’s ASS if he tried doing that “kick me in the back, slick shit”.. U GOTTA SLAP PEOPLES KIDS SOMETIMES!

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  127. “And ‘analyed’ my ass. You pick certain lines in hopes, nitpicking.”

    And what? Unlike you, im seeing the route as a whole, not just its greatest moments. So tell me, if Kyou’s route was so great, why did most of the route bore people?

    – Hmm … lets see. A story that relies on character and not plot. Then said story must rely on the character themselves, and in that case, character chemistry and interaction is a must. Both are lacking in this route.

    – Just because Kyou is an awesome character, it doesn’t mean she has a great route. It has a few great scenes, but that doesnt save the whole route from failing.”

    This still stands unless you can prove it wrong otherwise.

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  128. Heh contray to link, I was a Kyou fan at first, with Tomoyo being just ahead but then I played her route and now I liked her less. For me It’s Tomoyo then very closely behined is Nagisa, then Kyou. Link was able to connect with Tomoya’s feelings about not wanting to hurt Ryou and yet wanting to be with Kyou, however I really disliked Ryou during her time and was thinking “OMG JUST REJECT HER ALREADY! I wanted MORE KYOU that’s why I played this route so whats with all this annoying Ryou!??!” and it made Tomoya seem almost like a generic harem lead that had to have sense slapped into him by Sunohara. One of the main things I was expecting from Kyou’s route was atleast a good ammount of sences involving Kyou x Tomoya awesomness or romantic build up, both of which I found lacking in Kyous own route. Infact she was more intresting in the gym storage room from Yukine’s route and in Kotomi’s route. I for one like the lunch sences alot compared to all the emo needless angst. I agree that the rain part and the hair cutting parts were great, but those 2 alone didn’t redeem the route for me.

    Convael pretty much summerized the awesomeness of Tomoyo’s route and why my opinion of her went waayy up after reading her route as compared to Kyou’s route. I can’t really understand why you’d end up likeing Kyou more than Tomoyo after reading both their routes. However everyone interperts things diffrently. For example you were probabaly sympatheic to Tomoya being forced to choose while I was thinking WTF GET WITH KYOU ALREADY JEEZE, and while you could see some romantic build up between Kyou x Tomoya I thought it was really lacking.

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  129. “So tell me, if Kyou’s route was so great, why did most of the route bore people?”
    Because Kyou’s route never really started until all the decisions were made.
    And yes, I was definitely a fan of Tomoyo at the very start, she was a cool character, but something inexplicable made me like Kyou more after her route. I just plain liked it better.
    Anyways, I’m quite done with this. It’s like we’re looping things over and over. I will always refuse to accept that Kyou’s route was bad overall. It wasn’t.

    linkthe2nd
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  131. Hey it’s up to the person to decided if it was a fail of a route. I think it was below average and below expectations for reasons I stated above but that doesn’t mean link is forced to think the same way.

    FlameStrike
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  132. Still it’s sorta hard to believe a Tomoyo fan would become a Kyou fan after playing both of their routes… I mean really, Show Spoiler ▼

    it really isn’t how many others are. Sadly, the ending for Kappei’s route moved me more than Kyou’s route did… (Kappei Route spoiler)Show Spoiler ▼

    Which is kind of bad because… well… Kappei’s a guy.

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  134. Oh yeah another thing I failed to mention was that to me it seemed like the Kyou route showed off a lot of Kyou’s personality traits that made her seem like a worse character to me. I’m not intending to flame or diss Kyou, just pointing out some things I observed in her route and how I interpreted them. The Kyou route had a generic and standard plot, so it was up to good execution and characters to save the day, however it seemed it failed on both accounts. Even though Kyou and Tomoya were awesome characters, they seemed to have regressed during Kyou’s route and Kyou showed a lot of her bad sides in her own route too. Even Ryou was annoying. I was a HUGE fan of Kyou (still a fan but not as much) from seeing Kyoani’s animated awesomeness of her but she failed more in her own route than in the anime.
    Like how she seemed to be a hypocrite, overlay bossy, a bit cowardly, and she was inconsiderate at times. For example she self sacrifices her love to help her sister, but wasn’t she the one that told Nagisa that if you’re too nice to everyone you’ll never get what you want? Then she goes and regrets her plan to set up Ryou with Tomoya and starts crying about it, nadeyanen? Then she was bossy and pretty much forces Tomoya to do whatever by threatening him with violence. Half of the scenes with Tomoya and Kyou were her going “DO THIS OR I’LL GRIND YOUR BONES TO DUST!!” and Tomoya seemed genuinely annoyed by it too. She was dishonest denies her feelings all the time and tries to run Tomoya over with a bike on purpose too. She friggen hit him at top speed then acts like he’s at fault. Also if you doge she hits Kappei and lets Tomoya take responsibility for it.
    In the first lunch scene where it’s just Ryou and Tomoya, Kyou forced him to eat with Ryou. When Ryou did something herself and started crying Kyou totally flipped out and started trying to kill Tomoya. I know it shows how she’s concerned about her sister but Kyou was the one who set Ryou up with Tomoya in the first place (Don’t set up your loved ones with people you don’t trust lol.). When Tomoya tires to explain the situation Kyou responds with “ARGH WHO CARES YOU JUST NEED TO BE PUNISHED” (Almost exact line). Eventually Tomoya gets it through her head and she stops her attack. I also did a few of the other choices in which you choose not to go out with Ryou. Kyou responds with brutal violence and doesn’t listen to reason at first, when Tomoya asks Kyou something along the lines of “What about my feelings?” IE: what if he doesn’t want to go out with Ryou, and she pretty much responds with OMG WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS GO OUT WITH RYOU (Tomoya talks some sense into her though)! Sheesh talk about inconsiderate about the person you like’s feelings. The whole route was also a byproduct of her bad decision making too, although the ending was good nothing was really resolved. Basically all that drama and in the end Kyou just gets together with Tomoya, if Kyou had just confessed in the first place all the pain and tears could have been avoided.…. Nothing was really concluded by the end of the route besides life going on normal if Tomoya had just chosen Kyou first. (Not possible since he clearly didn’t think of her romantically at the time Kyou forced Ryou onto him) Well I guess hiding your feelings for your significant other with violence is typical of tsundere’s but I always though of Kyou as more than just her archetype (Which defiantly she is, but it was meh to see her show such blatant tsundereness).

    Then Ryou was bad in this route too. She knew her sister’s feelings for Tomoya and knew that Kyou liked Tomoya, but instead of backing down she still asked Kyou about Tomoya instead of being considerate of her sister’s feelings. Then she pretty much took advantage of how her sister backed down out of love for her and used Kyou to help her score points with Tomoya. I mean if you know your sister likes the guy you like then how would she feel if you brought her along on a date between the two of you? Also she knew about Tomoya’s feelings for Kyou too. Instead of breaking up she hung onto him and made Tomoya feel guilty so he wouldn’t break up with her. She decided to change herself to be more like Kyou to steal his heart too, is that how you show gratitude to your twin sister that helped you out so much? Well she redeemed herself in my eyes in Kappei’s route so I’m cool with Ryou.

    Besides Kyou/Ryou showing their bad sides and annoying sides, Tomoya wasn’t any better. He was being pestered and annoyed by Kyou in the first half of her route, then goes all emo for her in the second half thinking about Kyou while he went out with Ryou. How did the decisive Tomoya turn into a lame harem wimp that can’t choose girls and hurts them both for half a route? Is this the same Tomoya that saw how he was negeativly-affecting Tomoyo and decided to help her get into the Student Council despite him being against it, and decided to do what he thought was best to help her achieve her dreams? Is this Tomoya the same one that helped Kotomi leave her isolated shell, and worked hard through the night doing whatever he could to restore a loved childhood memory for her even though it might be useless? The same Tomoya that worked hard helping Fuuko pass out starfish at no gain for himself, who became the one person that Yukine could depend and support herself with, the same guy who helped Mei turn Sunohara around ended up being an indecisive idiot that hurt both Ryou and Kyou at the same time while thinking “OMG EMO PAIN WHAT SHOULD I DO RYOU ISN’T KYOU?!?!?!” It was painful to read lol, he would have ended up hurting both of them even more and not making a decision if it wasn’t for Sunohara slapping some sense into him. This seemed weird, usually it’s Tomoya seeing what he should do and doing it while encouraging others.

    Argh this post makes Kyou’s route seem really bad, but it’s not as bad as I described. (Was just highlighting some of the worse parts) It was an OK route and had many enjoyable scenes and it’s own share of drama, but overall I thought the characters were weaker then normal while having a sub-par plot.

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  136. Don’t know if anyone had mentioned this already, and I don’t really feel like reading through 7 pages worth of comments; but for those who want Kyou scenes, the last hope would be that they animate a slight variation of the scene where..

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  137. There are so many complaints because people were disappointed. It doesn’t matter what it’s MEANT to be (family theme). It just matters how good the story is. They could have made it good while still having a family theme.

    How would they have improved it? The problem was probably the pacing, because episode 17 and 18 were really rushed, and episode 16 didn’t have much of Sunohara’s sister so you could say that arc should have been lengthened too. So the last 3 episodes just came crashing to a halt too soon for people to enjoy it.

    People have said that they did as much as possible according to the game. However having a scene from the game could be animated using 10 seconds or 5 minutes. If KyoAni couldn’t draw it out long enough to have a properly paced animation, they should have made their own lines. All for the sake of making it flow.

    From episode 16 to 18, it really just felt like a summary of what should have been much longer. It should have been more like all the episodes before it. They already knew how to make good episodes. They just decided to change it, thinking it looks fine to them just like the people who played the game.

    apo
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  139. @FlameStrike
    I agree with that.. Tomoya is way too different in Kyou’s route than he is in the other routes. On top of that, I really thought there would be some kind of deep reason why Kyou would sacrifice her own happiness for her sister. Like maybe when they were young, she played a prank on Ryou and hurt her really badly, or something along those lines. Then that would explain why she cares so much about her sister… but it didn’t happen.

    @Dmo
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    @apo
    There are quite a few behind the scene modifications to make the anime move faster. First off, Ryou talks like 10x faster in the anime than she does in the game. Tomoya doesn’t have a billion lines talking to himself before going to school, while walking to school, and during class. Also, obviously tons of the scenes aren’t in, and even Kappei isn’t in, and I sort of doubt he will appear. They’re also going to end with skipping most likely a ton of side character routes such as Misae, Kappei, Yukine, and Koumura. Which sorta sucks because I think Yukine’s or Kappei’s route would be the most easily integrated into the Clannad anime’s timeline. These two routes also have the whole family theme in them, so it would have been perfect.

    and just for Mike:
    Wtf was up with Akio watering the ground?

    Convael
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