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Summary:

With Alto’s Valkyrie destroyed and one of the Vajra capital ships about to fire its main cannon at the Battle Frontier, the situation looks bleak for Sheryl and the Frontier fleet. Fortunately for them, the Macross Quarter defolds at that exact moment and destroys the Vajra ship. The ensuing explosion hits Brera’s Valkyrie, and the shock from it destroys the device on his head that was controlling him. Jeffery then surprises the Frontier high command by announcing that the Macross Quarter has returned to destroy the ambitions of Grace and her Galaxy allies. Leon tries to dismiss this as nonsense, but Alto suddenly starts broadcasting to everyone, saying that there’s proof. Before he had ejected from his Valkyrie, he had seen through the giant Ranka and realized that the real Ranka was being held captive, and he now urges the fleet to shoot the deception. The Macross Frontier does exactly that, and the result of the blast is the disappearance of the giant Ranka and the appearance of the Battle Galaxy. Jeffery isn’t quite done though: he also accuses Leon of assassinating President Glass, and Leon subsequently gets arrested.

Grace meanwhile interfaces with the Vajra Queen and has the Battle Galaxy send out its full complement of Ghost V9s. As these start shredding through the Frontier’s forces, Kuran and Luca bring Alto the Valkyrie he left behind on the Macross Quarter. Before getting onboard, Alto messages Sheryl with a vow to save Ranka and a call for her to help by waking Ranka with her song. This motivates Sheryl to start singing again, and as she does, Alto thinks about how he had heard Ranka’s heart crying out and how he had once told her to feel instead of think. He then joins Ozma, Kuran, and Luca in an attack on the enemy fleet, and his yelling for Ranka to wake up and regain her true song causes a reaction in her that shatters the harmonica that Brera gave her. However, right as Ranka regains consciousness, Grace takes control of the Vajra Queen lets out a massive Fold wave. This creates a network structure that allows the Galaxy group to feel the galaxy, and Grace announces that they’ve obtained the entire universe. She claims that even Protoculture fears this power, and as the massive Vajra Queen rises from the planet, Grace explains that they’ve become a super dimensional life form.

When none of Ozma’s missiles can penetrate through the Vajra Queen’s barrier, Luca realizes that there is a dimensional dislocation at play. Grace notes that songs are meaningless to them since they’ve connected directly with the queen, and she wants everyone to grovel in front of the power that rivals a god. Her commands even cause Vajra to defold in places as far away as the Macross 11 fleet and Macross City back on Earth. The subsequent Vajra attack destroys numerous ships of the Frontier fleet, and Alto suddenly senses something happening to Sheryl. It is at this moment that everyone starts to hear Ranka singing, and Brera urges her to put all her feelings into her song because he feels that stopping this fighting is their atonement. Her singing causes an immediate halt in the Vajra attack, and Ranka then reaches out to Sheryl, telling her to stand back up. Sheryl, however, thinks that her job is done and that there’s nothing left. This leads to Ranka slapping Sheryl, and Ranka cites how she and Alto were able to fly because of Sheryl. Alto joins in on the conversation to remind Sheryl how she had vowed never to give up, and he calls both girls his wings. Urging Sheryl to fly again, Ranka heals her and moves the bacteria from Sheryl’s head to her stomach.

As a reinvigorated Sheryl starts singing with Ranka, Jeffery tells the Frontier fleet that the Vajra are not their true enemies – Grace is. Then, with the help of the Macross Quarter, Alto makes his way into the Battle Galaxy and rescues Ranka. Grace doesn’t let this bother her though and instead has the Vajra Queen fire a massive blast at Island 1. To everyone’s surprise, the Vajra not under Grace’s control gather around Island 1 and use themselves as a shield to protect it. Afterward, Ai-kun flies to Alto’s Valkyrie, and Ranka figures out that her and Sheryl’s song reached the Vajra. She now knows that the Vajra have feelings, but they are different from humans and found mankind strange. Ranka finally realizes that they’re all different, and if they don’t properly convey their feelings, then they won’t understand each other. She continues singing in conjunction with Sheryl after Alto returns her to the Macross Quarter, and between the two of them and Ai-kun, they convert most of the remaining Vajra. These very Vajra open up a hole in the field around the Vajra Queen, but the Battle Galaxy uses that hole to fire its massive cannon at the Macross Quarter and the Battle Frontier.

Unwilling to let things end like this, Canaria flies the König Monster onto the Battle Galaxy and fires her main cannons at its head. Jeffery uses this opportunity to order a Macross Attack which results in the Macross Quarter destroying the Battle Galaxy’s cannon, and the Battle Frontier follows that up with a punch that finishes off the Battle Galaxy. Armed with Mikhail’s sniper rifle – given to him by Kuran – Alto then charges the Vajra Queen, but he comes under attack by Grace’s VF-27s. Luckily for him, Brera comes to his rescue, and Brera tells Alto to aim for the Queen’s head because the Vajra’s heart is in their stomach, not their head. With Sheryl and Ranka’s song spurring them on, the two make their way right up to the Vajra Queen and manage to detach its head with a volley of missiles. Alto then aims for the pod containing Grace with Mikhail’s sniper rifle, and one perfect shot later, it’s all over. As Island 1, the Battle Frontier, and the Macross Quarter descend onto the planet, everyone can hear Aimo, and Bobby wonders what this song was for if the Vajra didn’t need to communicate. Remembering what her mother had once told her, Ranka explains that it’s a song of love. Ranshe had said that Vajra meet a swarm from another galaxy every several hundred million years, and this was the mating call.

In the aftermath, once everyone is on the planet, Sheryl finds Ranka in an open field. The two see Alto come down and eject from his damaged Valkyrie, and he uses his EX-Gear to soar across what he calls a genuine sky . Seeing the look on Sheryl’s face as she watches Alto, Ranka declares that she won’t lose in song or love, and Sheryl accepts the challenge. Both of them know that it all starts from here now, and they run to Alto as he flies towards them with his hand stretched out.

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All things considered, I thought they did a pretty good job with this ending. It wasn’t amazing but it still had tons of great music during an epic-scale battle – “mecha porn” so to speak – that concluded most of the important parts of the story. In fact, I think they went through pretty much every single Ranka or Sheryl song ever featured in this series, sometimes in quick succession. It sounded a bit too much like a mashup at times, but I still liked it, especially the Diamond Crevasse and Seikan Hikou parts. I also found it noteworthy that several of the scenes, particularly this one where Ranka and Sheryl were singing Lion, mirrored various shots from the OP sequences. Directors often say that the OP is important for clues about what will happen, but this is one of the few times I’ve seen scenes copied out of an OP like that. Not that that’s a bad thing – I actually found it kind of cool.

I’ve noticed a lot of people saying that this ending was rushed, but I really didn’t feel that way as I was watching the episode. There was a lot to cover, and I thought the director and writers got through it all in a fairly good manner. The main thing I didn’t like about the ending is the fact that Alto never explicitly had to choose between Ranka and Sheryl. Part of me was expecting something like this (it led to my previous comments on how Alto might end up with no one), but I still wish Alto had made a decision in the end instead of just flying around enjoying the sky. That part of him just didn’t mature enough to make him a better male lead, and the fact that so much of the series had focused on the love triangle made it all especially unsatisfying. One consolation/clue about which way he’s leaning is how he’s still wearing Sheryl’s earring at the very end, and it even sparkles as if the director wanted us to pay extra attention to it. Or maybe that’s just the preference I have for Sheryl speaking. Regardless, there was a movie version of Macross Frontier announced after this finale, so that could potentially give a more conclusive ending.

Final Thoughts: It’s only been half a year, but it feels like I’ve been watching Macross Frontier for much longer. That’s probably because of the special first episode debut all the way back during Christmas-time last year, and I can still remember how damn impressed I was by it. I’d say the rest of the series more or less lived up to my expectations, and I have to take a moment to applaud Yoko Kanno, Nakajima Megumi, May’n, and the rest of the folks who worked on the music and songs because that was undoubtedly the best part of it all. I can’t wait to hear everything that’s on the second OST coming out October 8th. In any case, it’s sad to see a series like this come to an end, and I’m looking forward to seeing what the movie brings – hopefully more great music and some closure on the love triangle.

Coming up next week: Kuroshitsuji will be taking Macross Frontier’s time-slot!

September 25, 2008 at 7:17 pm
275 comments »
  • September 28, 2008 at 6:24 ambedesg

    my guess: bilrer + minmei –> ranshe mei –> ranka, that’s why ranka’s 1/4 zentraedi

  • September 28, 2008 at 9:17 amAsch

    Did anyone else think that the Vajra queen looked a lot like the Bird Human from Macross Zero

  • September 28, 2008 at 11:24 amIppiki Okami

    I think anyone that is a Macross fan will enjoy this ending. Music, Epic Battles, References to previous Macross (salute, macross attack). It was great. I’m sure everything with the love triangle would be wrapped up in the movie

  • September 28, 2008 at 11:26 amdiva

    @cheese
    I just express myself XD I can’t keep myself from not laughing hysterically from those kinds of posts. Must…express…

    @Kagami

    “Please, by all means, don’t touch or twist or bend the “salutation” scene. You got a lot of AxR scenes in the last episode, so just take them and let the senior (or even new) Macross LT fans enjoy the homage and the meaning of the scene without having it being twisted to anything else. kthx.”

    You’re joking aren’t ya? LMFAO Tell me you’re joking. XD Ranka was there IN the frame WITH Sheryl. Sheryl was even background and just inside the screen. Alto saluted to BOTH of them. They were BOTH LOOKING AT HIM. Your homage is ALTO’S SALUTE to BOTH girls. HAHAH have you convinced yourself that this is the biggest proof of the series being SherylxAlto? XDXD Sheryl people are interesting. I bet they’re thinking Alto and Sheryl are already engaged and Ranka is now the third wheel because oooh she said “I won’t lose”. XDXDD

    They’re making Ranka be the underdog again even if we all saw how hard Alto tried to mask his pain when she left XD Sheryl should be the one saying ‘she won’t lose’ but that’s good because underdog = winner. Mwahahaha!

  • September 28, 2008 at 11:46 amipostedbeforebutcan’trememberwhathandleiused

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    Michael Bay at 3:43 am on September 28th, 2008

    Doesn’t have the drama of the Macross Zero, and it doesn’t have the excellent sense of wonder with the original Macross, but still good fun to watch. We don’t get many space epics.

    Yeah its the one series to keep the space fans going. Loved Macross Plus as well. To be honest this is not as good as what we’ve had but its all we got so we live with it. :)

  • September 28, 2008 at 2:10 pmbriareos

    Macross Quarter looks smaller than 1/4 the size of Macross Frontier.
    http://randomc.net/image/Macross/Macross%20Frontier%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2032.jpg

  • September 28, 2008 at 3:33 pmElmo45

    Grace is a Boomer?

  • September 28, 2008 at 3:51 pmDaxion

    i’m tired of those Ranka fans who want AxR. Say: what in the world Ranka has that Alto would choose her? she’s weak, has no boobs, she fell on Miss Macross, she needed from Sheryl AND Alto to start her career, her dressing sucks big time, she can’t bake some simple cookies and she’s not as pretty as Sheryl.
    Sheryl on the other hand is a natural born idol, gorgeous girl, strong, she cooks nice, has boobs and great body, her dressing and style is always cool and she’s mature.
    No guy in this world (or in MF case, universe) would choose Ranka over Sheryl, Sheryl is a complete woman.

  • September 28, 2008 at 5:12 pmJusuchin

    I think I just relived my childhood again.

    lol at Galaxy. One-two punch. Out cold. (or hot. blowing up and all XD)

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:08 pmllie

    Oh, I am going to miss my Ranka, Alto, Brera, Ozma, and Cathy.

    Happy ending and happy family

    http://randomc.net/image/Macross/Macross%20Frontier%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2040.jp

    Grandma, mother, brother, and the main character. Love it.

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:09 pmKagami

    @diva: So tell me, if Alto saluted to both of them why don’t Ranka saluted him back? And please see where Alto VF position is: in the middle of the two ships. How do you explain that he saluted both of them when the VFwent closer to Sheryl’s ship, turns to Sheryl’s stage and then the screen focuses to Sheryl then the salute? Judging from the position, Ranka should and cannot see the salute, no matter how you twist it You either are in denial or just completely delusional defying the logic that should be there. Whatever, you can think what you want, but the truth cannot be bent that that salute is for Sheryl. And it’s for the best if you just accept it and wait for the movie anyway.

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:24 pmpochi2008

    @Daxion
    Alto loves Ranka. He said to take back Ranka’s True song and he knew that Ranka was singing only for him. Michael told him. He made a gesture of reaching out to Ranka and drawing his fist towards him. He repeated what he told her in ep 10 regarding flowers blossoming. He goes “Just as I feel. I’m gonna fly.” and Ozma and them charged in the name of love.

    Last episode he told Sheryl that he’ll come back to her because he realized people shouldn’t fly alone. But this episode he said “People are alone, but because they are alone they can love somebody.” Big contrast with what he said to Sheryl meaning he didn’t mean what he told her last episode.

    Too bad the AxR hints were played down because Kawamori is a coward and wants to play triangular. Ranka and Alto were given more genuine rabu rabu episodes than with Sheryl. E.g Galia event etc. That’s what I observed.

    I’ve never seen a Macross end with a harem ending. Kawamori is keeping up with the times.

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:35 pmstray

    Can we talk about context regarding the salute before this gets any sillier. Sheryl *told* him to save Ranka. And what did he do immediately after doing so and in heading back out? Exactly. He saluted *Sheryl* and vice versa. Context peoples, context.

    Also, a friendly reminder – hail to the cheese.

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:46 pmSpacehamster

    I admit that I was ready to stop watching this show after episode 20. Mikhael was my favourite character, and seeing him being killed off was upsetting. Considering the bleak and depressing tone of the last few episodes, I was totally prepared to believe that Kawamori was going with a kill-em-all ending. So the 180-degree change in tone for this episode really surprised me.

    Like everyone else – I enjoyed the mecha p0rn, but the ending was ridiculously rushed. I wished they’d added an extra ep (26) to wrap things up. Nevertheless, I’m glad that Kawamori didn’t go for a Spaceship Ideon ending. Now I’ll be able to rewatch this series again with much greater affection than I though I would, just four weeks ago.

    As for the movie, I suspect it’ll be a compilation or a side-story like DYRL. I’m actually hoping it isn’t a direct sequel to Frontier, otherwise Kawamori might use it as an excuse to kill off more characters.

  • September 28, 2008 at 6:56 pmjoachim

    well no diva, see it again, the one who return the salute is sheryl.. this is pointless

    sure2 whatever, you don’t even touch the last scene where ranka looking all sad seeing sheryl looking up to alto and then suddenly cheering up saying i won’t lose in sing and love.. whats that?

    oh i foresaw you will say “its ranka feeling pity that she know alto didn’t love sheryl! LMAO LOLOLOL”

    yea right gezz

  • September 28, 2008 at 7:54 pmdiva

    @pochi
    If they think noone won the LT just because it wasn’t concluded in this stupid episode, they’re dead wrong. XD There are 24 episodes to support that Alto loved Ranka more than he did Sheryl. The subbed version of this episode was suhweeeet! XD I take it back. This episode wasn’t crap.

    @Kagami
    What’s this? Tunnel vision? AHAHA LOOK-AT-RANKA-TOO! Ranka was making the L sign to Alto. She was pointing to him. SHE WAS SINGING. She CAN SEE HIM. XD

    What’s wrong with you Sheryl people?? XD There were two girls in the frame that Alto was saluting to. Come back to reality. Come on. Reality doesn’t bite…hard. lololl!

    @stray
    ‘Sheryl *told* him to save Ranka. And what did he do immediately after doing so and in heading back out? Exactly. He saluted *Sheryl* and vice versa. Context peoples, context.’

    Ehh? o.O Are you trying to make it look like Alto was saving Ranka because Sheryl ASKED him to? Alto asked Sheryl’s help because he needed her help to rescue Ranka. It’s obvious. You erased this part of the episode from your brain.

    “That time…when I heard your voice. The cries of your heart.” (Alto…romanticuu! XD)

    “If you think not, you will blossom. Nor shall you blossom if you think”

    “JUST AS I FEEL. I’m gonna fly.”

    You learn something new everyday. :D

    @joachim
    Lyke ohhmg!! Sheryl saluted! Ranka didn’t salute because she did something else that was not a salute. That’s why Alto’s salute was not for her! Hah I get you now. ;O Who cares if Ranka’s looking at Alto! She had temporary blindness. She couldn’t see Alto. Alto didn’t see Ranka too when he did that because Alto will ONLY SALUTE TO SHERYL! I’m now a believer. This is the ultimate proof that it’s AltoxSheryl. ftw!!

    XD
    “oh i foresaw you will say “its ranka feeling pity that she know alto didn’t love sheryl! LMAO LOLOLOL” ”

    Haha say wut?

    UNDERDOG = WINNER. XD If only Ranka knew…If only…she wouldn’t say those lines….If only…

  • September 28, 2008 at 8:14 pmCapella

    Why the bicker about salute?! Give it a rest. Alto saluted to both Ranka and Sheryl. Sheryl fans are overinterpreting that scene. Neither ship won because noone got together except for Ozma and Cathy. Let’s just move on!

    February 2009 is the premiere of Macross Frontier the movie. It was written in one of the magazines. Grace is still wearing her glasses even in that condition. Lens Crafter 2059 is put to shame.

  • September 28, 2008 at 8:14 pmMechabao

    @diva
    You should watch the salute scene in slow-motion and be ready to hit the pause button. You’ll see Alto’s VF transform and face Battle Frontier’s bridge to salute Sheryl before he goes back into the fight.

    P.S.
    Don’t forget to take off your shipping goggles.

  • September 28, 2008 at 8:45 pmdiva

    @Capella
    It wasn’t resolved but there are lots of episodes that can prove that Alto loved Ranka more than he did Sheryl. Episode 25 isn’t the only episode of Macross Frontier. :D

    @Mechabao
    To think that Sheryl fans will go to this much analysis of a scene. O__O Freaky. XD No ordinary viewer can notice which part of those robots are Ranka and Sheryl.

    Okay buddy. When VF-25 saluted. It was a close up. If they want Alto to salute to JUST Sheryl they will make it so that Alto will salute to only one girl. Only blind people or people who brainwashed themselves couldn’t see that Ranka was in that frame with Sheryl. She was even in the FRONT. ahaha How can you miss her? XD The screen was on her right side yet her back was on it after Alto saluted.

    Whatever does this mean? Ranka was also SEEING SOMETHING. Alto saluted to both girls. LOL!! Alto saluted to only Sheryl. Wishful thinking wishful thinking

  • September 28, 2008 at 9:03 pmMechabao

    @diva
    Just go and rewatch that scene. It doesn’t need any analysis, just pay attention to what’s happening and try to keep your bearings whenever they cut to another frame.

    When the VF-25 went into Battroid mode, it was between the Battle Frontier and Quarter BUT it was facing the Frontier’s bridge. You know, where Sheryl was singing. In that frame with Ranka in the foreground the Battle Frontier and Alto’s VF were behind Ranka, where she couldn’t possibly see them.

    Oh, and FYI I don’t wear shipping goggles. I just call things as I see them, from a neutral point of view.

  • September 28, 2008 at 9:14 pmdiva

    @mechabao
    I saw it so many times. In case you haven’t heard what I said.

    Okay buddy. When VF-25 saluted. It was a close up. If they want Alto to salute to JUST Sheryl they WILL make it so that Alto will salute to only one girl. Only blind people or people who brainwashed themselves couldn’t see that Ranka was in that frame with Sheryl. She was even in the FRONT. The screen was on her right side yet her back was on it after Alto saluted.

    They wouldn’t show Ranka if they meant for Alto to salute to only Sheryl. It was meant for both girls. FYI. How in the world am I wearing shipping goggles when I said that it was meant for both SHERYL AND RANKA? Neutral pfft.

  • September 28, 2008 at 9:19 pmKannie

    haha, I wished they showed us closure on the couple~! hehe!
    I would’ve been sooo happy if they went with SherylxAlto! <333

  • September 28, 2008 at 9:42 pmMechabao

    @diva
    I’m not blind. Nor am I brainwashed.

    “How in the world am I wearing shipping goggles when I said that it was meant for both SHERYL AND RANKA? Neutral pfft.”

    When you keep insisting that it was for both of them instead of just Sheryl (which is really obvious if you’re really paying attention to everything that’s going on) speaks volumes. Besides, judging by your posting history on this blog, you’re either a) a troll, b) a delusional Ranka shipper, or c) both.

  • September 28, 2008 at 11:18 pmstray

    @diva – huh? I’m not saying Alto didn’t ask Sheryl for help to rescue her, but that even moreso reinforces the salute as being solely towards Sheryl in acknowledgement. Why exactly would he be saluting Ranka in that situation?

  • September 28, 2008 at 11:27 pmMechabao

    @diva
    Only blind people or people who brainwashed themselves couldn’t see that Ranka was in that frame with Sheryl. She was even in the FRONT. The screen was on her right side yet her back was on it after Alto saluted.

    This statement just proves that you’re the one who’s blind or refuses to see. So what if the screen was behind her? Alto and Sheryl would still have been situated to Ranka’s right side and unless Ranka has eyes on the sides of her head, she could not have seen Alto’s salute since he was directly in between Frontier and Quarter when he saluted.

    Another thing, that supposed gesture of acknowledgement from Ranka looks like it was just a part of her Seikan Hikou or Watashi no Kare wa Pilot dance routine.

  • September 29, 2008 at 12:41 amKagami

    @diva

    Rather than giving the same argument-which is way too weak anyway, you should present another evidence for the salute being given to Ranka too. Screen close up? What does it have to do with how the scene presented Alto’s VF-25 move nearer to Frontier’s Battleship a.k.a Sheryl’s Stage and then presented by the scene itself, yet again, to FACE Sheryl? See, girl, Ranka is on the other Battleship (Quarter) and frankly, how can Ranka see the salute, were it supposed to be given to her too, when Alto’s VF should have face her by the back? I want to say, “I LOL’D”, but sorry the evidence was too ridiculous for me to even say that.

    @stray

    diva-esque, can never answer the question, getting out of the point she should argue just to flaunt some hints she find. *shrugs* Talking about the salute contextually nor visually would still be the same, but some Ranka shippers really want to elude it to Ranka too. Dunno why Alto have any obligation to salute to Ranka for them…

    (Got spunked by cheesie hime’s lecture btw?)

    @Mechabao

    It is one of the choreography dance for Ranka. I seem to recall it somewhere from 13 and one other episode… But sorry, I’m not a fan of Ranka’s “Kira!” Dance so don’t remember exactly. Ranka’s Gesture is obviously a choreography anyway, she was singing by that time.

  • September 29, 2008 at 12:55 amnozomi

    @diva
    The reason they showed Ranka’s side in the slide is to clearly imply that she hasn’t seen it. And also the fact that Ranka was singing her Seikan Hikou song, which Sheryl sort of started to dance to as well albeit a bit awkwardly, then Alto appeared and gave her the ‘salute’ which she saluted back, and is seen in Ranka’s side screen of what’s going on with Sheryl. Did Ranka gave even the slightest amount of gesture that she notice? NOPE, nada, zilch, zero, because she was busy singing Seikan Hikou, unlike Sheryl who probably didn’t even know the whole lyrics to the song, heck her dancing was so awkward I didn’t know what to call it.

  • September 29, 2008 at 1:16 amKenshen

    Why are we still arguing about this couple thing. To me, it’s clear that Sunrise just didn`t have the guts to pick the correct girl for Alto (Sheryl ;) ). But trying to argue either pairing from evidence in the last episode will all end in the grasping of straws, really. Sunrise didn`t leave nearly as many clues for contention as they did in Code Geass R2 25…

  • September 29, 2008 at 1:22 amnycs

    I am not really the type to go back into the shipping wars because I frankly want to discuss my theory that Grace survived and is in Brera right now with you guys but I am frankly tired of this.

    At first, I did not pay much attention to the Sheryl salute scene because I thought that Alto just wanted to salute to his two wings before going into battle and it was a nice homage to the original Macross between Misa and Hikaru to show Sheryl saluting back. After reading on people’s posts about the direction Alto was facing and his location at the time and the part about Ranka’s choreography, I decided to take a look. I found out that Alto really was in the middle of Battle Frontier and Macross Quarter. He was facing Sheryl and the Battle Frontier; The Macross Quarter is behind him. Also, what Ranka shippers thought was a sign of acknowledgment on Ranka’s part towards Alto’s salute is actually part of her Seikan Hikou choreography (approx 1:20 minutes into the song).

    I encourage doubters and non-believers to go back and watch both videos because we have evidence to support the scene. Do not think we are using this as evidence to support our ship or declare our victory because the majority of the fans know that the series ended without any conclusive victor the moment Alto called both of them his wings. If doubters call people like us who did use logic to analyze the context of the scene delusional, blind and fanatical, please know that there are other sites and blogs who do agree with us. I personally know that MAHQ in their episode 25 review supports the fact that Alto saluted to only Sheryl and she saluted back.

    Now, Can we please go on to other more interesting topics?

  • September 29, 2008 at 1:26 amtwilighthack

    @diva

    I rofl at your comments. Truly, you fail at trolling. At least come up with something witty.

    “Okay buddy. When VF-25 saluted. It was a close up. If they want Alto to salute to JUST Sheryl they WILL make it so that Alto will salute to only one girl. Only blind people or people who brainwashed themselves couldn’t see that Ranka was in that frame with Sheryl. She was even in the FRONT. The screen was on her right side yet her back was on it after Alto saluted.”

    You seem to be confusing your front from your back, and your left from your right. Please refresh your memory on the basic directions. Her back was facing the screen, which also happens to be the side on which Alto and Sheryl are on. Unless she has eyes in the back of her head… I hope you understand that much.

    “They wouldn’t show Ranka if they meant for Alto to salute to only Sheryl. It was meant for both girls. FYI. How in the world am I wearing shipping goggles when I said that it was meant for both SHERYL AND RANKA? Neutral pfft.”

    Perhaps she was included in the shot to show us how clueless she was to everything that was happening BEHIND HER.

  • September 29, 2008 at 2:08 amNano

    I feel a little bad to say that I wanted alto to die in the end…but I really did…it’s really annoying that he lived.

  • September 29, 2008 at 3:23 amWoof

    Why must people insist on replying to trolls like Diva?

    Trolls are like dogs behaving badly. If you continue to respond to their bad behavior they will continue to behave badly. Some dogs crave this attention.
    Ignore the dog when it behaves badly. Do not respond to it. Eventually the dog will realize that certain behavior will not get it the attention it craves.

    Ignore the trolls!

    Clearly the mecha salute was for Sheryl only. Alto flew to Sheryl in Battle Frontier which placed the Quarter directly behind his VF-25 fighter. Ranka didn’t even know he was there.

    When Sheryl is in danger on Battle Frontier and cries out, Alto calls back to her.
    When Cathy is in danger on Macross Quarter and cries out, Ozma calls back to her.
    Coincidence? Both men call out to the women they each love.

    Alto: So, come with me Sheryl!
    Alto: You’re (pauses)… Both of you are my wings!

    Clearly Alto was going to say, ‘You’re my wings!’ to Sheryl, but decided since Ranka was there, he’d better not upset her in fear that she may suffer another breakdown like she did on the rooftop in episode 20. Because we all know Ranka is a bit mentally and emotionally fragile.

  • September 29, 2008 at 4:02 amMechabao

    @nycs
    I think when Brera’s slave device/hairclip got destroyed, Grace’s ability to connect to him was lost as well. It’s more likely she downloaded into a new body at the Galaxy city ship.

  • September 29, 2008 at 6:20 amKagami

    @Kenshen

    The studio working for Macross Frontier Project is not Sunrise, dear. It is Satellite ^^; Not that it makes any difference-just want to clarify this to you. :)

  • September 29, 2008 at 8:42 amcheese

    What happened in the Salute Scene, in visual terms:

    Sheryl is on Battle Frontier, Alto is in the middle of Battle Frontier and Battle Quarter, Ranka is on Battle Quarter

    Sheryl —>

    In other words, Alto’s VF is facing Sheryl, while Ranka was facing the opposite direction from both Sheryl and Alto.

    The projection screen on Battle Quarter, where Ranka is, is flashing images of Battle Frontier, where Sheryl is. :)

    Let’s acknowledge that Alto’s salute was meant only for Sheryl the way Hikaru’s was meant for Misa, and move on please, for the discussion is getting increasingly redundant.

  • September 29, 2008 at 8:46 amcheesie

    Hmm, the tags refuse to show. I meant to say that Sheryl and Alto were facing each other, while Ranka had her back to them.

  • September 29, 2008 at 8:51 amMechabao

    @cheesie
    Alto and Sheryl were far off towards Ranka’s right side and she couldn’t see them.

  • September 29, 2008 at 9:44 amMatt_D

    I think we can tell that the Shippers are all deluded. They’re a bit like those people that buy into the DeVinchi Code.

    Alto didn’t pick anyone, accept it and move on. He’s probably a hermaphrodite anyway.

    As to Grace – uploading back to Galaxy is possible, so is uploading to somewhere on Frontier, I mean she was pretty organised. Although I don’t think she had figured defeat into her plan she’s not the kind of character to not have somekind of plan. However, what could she do without control of the Vajra or Battle Galaxy?

    To be honest I’ll be impressed if the movie isn’t just a recut of the series.

  • September 29, 2008 at 11:41 ammusouka

    @diva

    http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1935148&postcount=647

    A picture says a thousand words, so time to be quiet already. Focus on the parts where Alto flew off with Ranka in his arms, or wanted to save her. The salute is for Sheryl fans.

  • September 29, 2008 at 5:19 pmJusuchin

    pfft. you guys and your relation-ships. I prefer a real ship! *huggles plush version of Battle Frontier* Beautiful. *sniff* ;__;

  • September 29, 2008 at 5:42 pmDaxion

    great musoka, that’s just plain right, nobody can argue that. I saw that Alto salutes Sheryl at that moment when I was watching the anime (always looking for AltoXSheryl references), but I honestly got confused about where Sheryl & Ranka where.

    @pochi
    I don’t think Alto really *loves* Ranka as you say. It’s more like, “oh, I kinda like to hang out with this chick, but it’s too lame/boring/weak for me”. With Sheryl, Alto has a deeper and more mature relationship.

    After all, he drop Ranka for Sheryl many times, but when, when did he dropped Sheryl for Ranka? I can’t remember of a meaningful one (you will say Gallia 3, but he had to return Ranka for the concert and Michel-know-it-all-about-love send him with Ranka only because he feels sorry for her. Sheryl is something irresistible for Hime, he can’t let go of her. That’s the one true love.

  • September 29, 2008 at 6:15 pmWoof

    I hope the movie isn’t just a recap of all that has alrady happened and that it won’t be like DYRL.

    I hope it is a resolution to the story line and confirmation that the LT will be AxS. :)

    I’m still kinda curious about Michel’s sister (Jessica) and how he had hoped to find an answer to her friendly fire incident, but perhaps we were never meant to find out?

    I’m not certain that Grace will be back, but how could you kill someone like that with just one shot? She chould have 10 duplicates all running around at the same time. Let’s face it, many of us have played too many video games in which something like that has happened. ;)

    If Grace is to return, will she return in the same form or in some other fashion like what has been suspected: in Brera? Or perhaps Nanase? She had some contact with Grace, perhaps while she was in her coma Grace put a bug in her brain to take her over? :) heh – unlikely.

  • September 29, 2008 at 7:11 pmdiva

    Oh oh oh ohhh I get it now. You all are from animesuki aren’t you? Noone but from animesuki can have that stupid level of thinking that Alto saluted JUST to Sheryl ahahah XD

    WTF?

    @Stray
    “Why exactly would he be saluting Ranka in that situation?”

    AHAHA are you for real? XD

    @Kagami, cheese, musuoka
    See, girl, Ranka is on the other Battleship (Quarter) and frankly, how can Ranka see the salute, were it supposed to be given to her too, when Alto’s VF should have face her by the back?”

    Ranka can be seeing Alto from another transmission, Alto might’ve sent her a transmission, there are a WHOLE LOT OF POSSIBILITIES FOR HER TO SEE IT. They showed her ON the frame WITH Sheryl doing the L sign. Ranka WAS SEEING SOMETHING right after Alto’s salute. WTF. XD You want to think the production team wanted that scene to be Alto/Sheryl when they SPECIFICALLY put Ranka in the front frame? XD Brainwash powerrrrr!

    @twilighthack
    Perhaps she was included in the shot to show us how clueless she was to everything that was happening BEHIND HER.

    So that was a scene to make Ranka look stupid? AHAHAHAKLSDHFA;HAHAHAH XDXD *ROLLS AROUND* XD Brainwash powerrrr!

    @musuoka
    A picture says a thousand words, so time to be quiet already. Focus on the parts where Alto flew off with Ranka in his arms, or wanted to save her. The salute is for Sheryl fans.

    Lyke ohhhmmg! Your overplayed screenshots included Ranka’s big face on it. Why don’t you just cut Ranka’s face off it and circle that little box which is Sheryl’s screen. That would be even MOOOOOREE believable because there’s no reason to put her in the frame to ruin the ultimate AltoxSheryl moment XD You completely convinced yourself that Alto is in love with Sheryl so why would he even salute to Ranka?

    But no matter. If this is what gets you through to the day then I’m happy for you folks. It’s all about Sheryl! Bow down to the wisdom of Sheryl fans and their level of analysis. Not even a germ can escape them as long as it supports the love of SherylxAlto! FTW!! Yaaay!!

    XD…. *shakes head*

  • September 29, 2008 at 9:40 pmVeritas

    I can’t wait for the movie!!! But it’s going to be a pain waiting for it. :(

    Pochi i agree wit you! I see it too.

  • September 29, 2008 at 11:16 pmstray

    ZOMG… diva you’re right he saluted Ranka, and Sheryl just saw it through the viewscreen and saluted back. I’m sure Alto was like eww Sheryl and disappointed that Ranka didn’t even kira him back. But oh wellz.

  • September 30, 2008 at 1:15 amKagami

    Ahahahaha. That’s all I can feed you, a laugh. I need not to provide the information anymore when every majority has already believed the real homage and fawn and melt over them. So what if you post all of the mumbo jumbo trying to make it to Ranka too? Like anyone who believed the homage would be swept over.

    LULZ @ Sheryl doing the L sign? Mwahahahaha. Must be my imagination then when I completely see a salute rather than pointing gesture then. :p

  • September 30, 2008 at 4:02 amWoof

    “Alto flew off with Ranka in his arms” – hah. The look on Alto’s face at the time when she needed to be rescued AGAIN was priceless.

    “Jeez, how many times do you need to be saved??”

    lol

  • September 30, 2008 at 1:22 pmMikhail Klan

    http://gambar.asphiroth.net/anime/sherylgrab.jpg

    nice boobs sheryl!! like a well-trained prostitute.
    Grace, thx for ur lectures =D

  • September 30, 2008 at 1:32 pmsae

    we should grab our boobs too to show our obsessiveness to sheryl. (.)(.)
    =D

  • September 30, 2008 at 11:43 pmAn Old Macross Fan

    This comment will, I imagine, be fairly long, but I beg readers to bear with me.

    It’s been a long time since I’ve watched anime of any type, for reasons which I won’t go into here. I am what many of you would consider an “old guard” of the medium, as I still remember watching Star Blazers when it was aired on our local stations. I don’t really consider myself part of the SB generation, though. I was very young and unaware of exactly what SB truly was. I knew it was different from the typical Saturday morning fare, but the concept of animation produced in Japan primarily for Japanese audiences was far beyond my knowledge or understanding.

    I’ve seen countless shows over the years. Everything from the original Dirty Pair and Dragonball to Bubblegum Crisis, Iczer One, Nausicaa…and Macross. But, at that time, it wasn’t “Macross” to me, but rather Robotech. Ergo, I view myself as part of the Robotech generation.

    Say what you will about Carl Macek, but the man was brilliant by weaving Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada into a haphazard whole for syndication purposes. Yes, liberties were taken, Reba West replaced the now-iconic Mari Iijima (for the record, I thought Reba did a fine job), but “The Macross Saga” emerged, for its time, amazingly unscathed. Sure, a few butt shots were removed along with some blood and other nastiness and protoculture became a magical power source, but the core of the series – that is, the story of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay, along with Gloval, Max & Miria, the “bridge bunnies”, and, of course, Roy and Claudia – was there.

    The last episode of the Macross segment was devastating to my youthful mind and left an indelible impression. Roy’s death was shocking enough, but to witness the Macross’ destruction at the hands of Khyron’s suicide attack, and to further learn that the entire bridge crew save Lisa had perished, made me cry rivers (actually, in Macross canon, they all survived and the Macross itself was, obviously, rebuilt). The Southern Cross and Mospeada chapters just irritated me to no end with its merciless tangential tone in regards to the Expeditionary Force. I wanted more Rick Hunter, dammit!

    I then did the research and learned the truth about what Carl had done and my head nearly evaporated. Thus, Robotech was my gateway show to the mind-boggling medium we now colloquially call “anime” (back then, we had another word for it, but that term would later be deemed politically incorrect).

    I returned to Macross on several occasions, but nothing really prepared me for M:DYRL. That movie so completely screwed with my head that, to this day, I still reel a bit. I just could not understand it based on what I already knew about the series. I was unaware it was suppose to be a dramatization of the “real” Space War I events (when I later fully understood what that meant, I thought it was a monumentally genius way to include the movie in the overall series canon without resorting to some sort of “parallel universe” BS [my distaste for Macross II knows no bounds]). The highly confusing plot points aside, I knew I had seen something which not only elevated the series to a new plane, but cemented itself in anime history as a feature film which would never be forgotten.

    DYRL was both a blessing and a curse, for we would never see Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay again until a somewhat obscure OAV was produced called “Flash Back 2012″. Primarily a series of music videos, it also included a CRITICAL segment of approximately 10 minutes of new animation which was originally conceived to close the DYRL movie, but reworked and enhanced for 2012′s release. Initially featuring a much older Minmay strolling upon the stage of her last Earthbound concert, finally stopping at a piano to key the unforgettable first notes of Angel’s Colors, it would serve to close the Hikaru/Misa/Minmay chapter of the Macross epic. Among other things seen in this piece, Hikaru had married Misa, who was now captain of the SDF-2 “Megaroad-01″, a colossal expeditionary craft which served as a precursor of sorts to the islands seen in Macross 7. Minmay, apparently finding her time on Earth drawing to a close, boards the Megaroad to journey with her friends to the stars. The Megaroad then vanishes without a trace near the center of the galaxy four years later, leaving a huge hole in the hearts of original Macross fans everywhere…including me. It truly is a touching and heart-wrenching ten minutes which shows the permanent loving bond between the three and always evokes a tear or two whenever I watch it.

    I suppose there can never really be a genuine sequel which follows the Megaroad and its inhabitants. The characters of Hikaru, Misa, and especially Minmay have traversed the boundaries of simply being key cast members into that of legends, forever embedded at the core of the Macross tapestry. How can you further dramatize these people without risking the danger of sullying their deeds or mitigating their status? Without it turning into a small disaster like Macross 7 or a puzzling effort like Zero? Lacking the best minds at work committing 200% and devoting the required time and resources necessary for such a monumental undertaking, IMO, it simply shouldn’t be done. They live in the best of places in our heads and especially our hearts. And there they will remain.

    (As an aside, I thought Macross Plus was a FANTASTIC OAV and effectively countered any harm done by Macross 7. I could go on and on about what a wonderful entry it was to the Macross canon, but it’s beyond this diatribe’s scope.)

    And now Kawamori et. al. give us Macross Frontier, commemorating the 25th anniversary of SDFM’s debut. After having seen all 25 subtitled episodes (my great thanks to those fansubbers whose professional-grade work went into this series), I’m once again incredibly sad to see a Macross-based series end. I realize a work of this magnitude demanding a commensurate amount of resources could not be sustained for any longer, and for that I am very, very glad to’ve seen what I have. Episode 25 was a bittersweet treasure. No, strike that – the entire series was a treasure. Sure, it fizzled and plodded in parts and tripped over itself in others while being absurdly convoluted, but taken as a whole, it was a supremely satisfying continuation of the Macross saga. It’s entirely obvious that MF was a labor of intense love with production values unheard of in the context of a TV series. Plus, it contained a wealth of nostalgic moments for longtime Macross fans, undoubtedly the most poignant being Minmay’s “cameo” near the end of episode 25.

    For the shippers on either side bitterly disappointed at the (concrete) lack of resolution to the Sheryl/Ranka/Alto LT – I’m sure the MF movie will resolve it, one way or another. And for those who prosecute the show for being harem anime – I hardly consider two girls a “harem” (however technically correct the term may be). At that rate, Macross Plus could be labeled harem anime, though I doubt anyone thinks of it in that context…at least, I would hope not.

    For the record, as much as I’d like to believe otherwise, I don’t believe Bilrer is Vrlitwhai. The eyeplate is certainly a tease, and his obvious adoration of Minmay could be weighed as evidence, but Britai was a soldier, not an entrepreneur. Plus, he was named commander of U.N. Spacy forces in 2016, so it seems highly unlikely he would be the frail-appearing Zentran portrayed in MF just 43 years later (the guy has survived the vacuum of space). I’m sure, though, he would’ve been equally decimated at the apparent loss of the Megaroad-01 and all hands in 2016.

    I realize this post was more about my love for the original SDFM, but I did genuinely enjoy Frontier. I’m not arrogant enough to think this will stop or even slow the shipping and harem wars, but MF is not all about teenage crushes on a particular SMS pilot and who winds up with whom. It’s a celebration of Macross. And I can hardly wait to see what Kawamori and team have in store for the movie.

    Sorry for the long-windedness.

  • October 1, 2008 at 1:39 amfallenazazel

    @musouka

    “Uh, yeah, actually they are. Otherwise they wouldn’t want you to buy the DVDs and assorted merchandise.”

    No. They want you to buy the DVDs and assorted merchandise so they can make money. It’s naive to think that they’re doing it purely for other people’s enjoyment.

    Then again… it’s no use arguing with shippers. I’ve seen most of the pseudo-analysis on here and it just makes me shake my head. The salute thing has been laughably over-analyzed when it’s probably just a tribute to the original scene in SDF Macross. If it was meant for a specific person, they wouldn’t have shown both girls.

    Just agree to disagree with each other. The ending was good enough for a series in this genre. Only thing that would’ve made it better was if Mikhail was still alive…

  • October 1, 2008 at 1:48 amfallenazazel

    @An Old Macross Fan

    Finally, a nice, mature post from a true fan of the series devoid of any hints “this ending sucks because Alto didn’t choose my ship!”. :-)

    Out of all the Macross series, I’ve only seen SDFM in full as the characters in the succeeding series didn’t capture my interest at all. That being said, I enjoyed the little tributes to the original series scattered about in MF. Alto isn’t a bad male lead. He’s actually quite interesting in the sense that he’s not ruled by hormones. Both Ranka & Sheryl were infatuated with him to the point of ridiculousness, but he was never portrayed as anyone in the throes of angsty teenage love (they make for the most annoying pilots).

    Just count your blessings that this didn’t go the Evangelion route.

  • October 1, 2008 at 9:52 amfallenazazel

    Battle Frontier and Macross Quarter were side-by-side, facing the same direction. The stages Sheryl and Ranka were on are almost aligned (just MQ is smaller). Alto’s VF25 came from behind and flew between the BF and MQ. His salute was meant for both Ranka and Sheryl.

  • October 1, 2008 at 4:24 pmSherry

    @an old macross fan

    I really don’t know how to give a satisfactory answer to your amazing post, but I wanted to express my delight reading through it ^^

    My knowledge of the Macross world is definitely not as extended as yours and I can’t be called an ‘ultimate fan’ nor anything close ^^;; But I watched a fair number of the previous Macross series still ^^

    I wouldn’t be honest if I said I didn’t care about the whole unresolved pairing…still: Macross is, more then anything, a ‘space symphony’ in which ‘songs’ are the ultimate way to stop/fight wars, meaning a lot of mecha but also, always, love stories in parallel with either 2guys/1girl or 2girls/1guy. My brother (which IS an ‘ultimate fan’, unlike me) immediately told me it was not surprising at all that the love triangle wasn’t resolved and that the ‘love ingredient’ in Macross, while being important, was not so focused on that it would lead to ‘shippers wars’ nor should surprise us if it ended up being undecided. Meaning, a vague finish to the three was pretty much expected, taking in consideration the previous series…

    Still, we both agreed that, in Macross Frontier, they *almost* excessively focused on those three teenagers.
    I have no idea how the movie will be, and if there will be such a thing as a ‘resolution’ or not, but it will very unlikely be a remake, seeing how it will be released only a year after the end of the actual MF: no matter how you think of it, making a recollection of an anime so little time after makes no sens. I am strongly betting for a continuation. Either that, or it will be located in the Past.

  • October 1, 2008 at 7:26 pmBarbwire Wings

    So what happened with the Vajra? Did they leave at the end or did they stick around?
    They appeared to be leaving due to their mating song being sung at the end.

    If they left, that makes me wonder who will the antagonist will be in the movie?

    They still did not show what happened to the colonist on Macross Galaxy. Are they all a bunch of cyborgs?

  • October 2, 2008 at 12:32 amAn Old Macross Fan

    Thanks. Even though I really don’t watch anime anymore, I genuinely have a love affair for SDFM, DYRL, 2012, and Plus, so I had to give Frontier a shot. I have to admit, though, I was pretty leery after 7′s goofiness. And Zero didn’t do anything for me, even though it featured Roy and was much closer chronologically to the original series.

    I’m unsure how Frontier will be remembered. I hope fondly, though I will concede that Kawamori engaged in a fair amount of trolling. For example, I know there’re a lot of fans who want some semblance of closure to the whole Misa/Hikaru/Minmay epic and were no doubt again bitterly disappointed at the lack of any onscreen dramatization (hence the Bilrer character).

    As I wrote originally, though, I think that’s a minefield just waiting to detonate. If you approach those characters in the frame of the latter half of SDFM, DYRL, and especially 2012 (as I think you should), these are mature icons who deserve serious and thoughtful treatment. The tone would have to be the antithesis of 7 and much closer to that of Plus. Even Frontier’s execution is, IMO, too bippity-boppity for such a series. However, Frontier’s universe was extremely well realized with jaw-dropping animation, so the potential for success is there.

    Regarding Frontier, I usually don’t do this, but I think I’m going to watch the entire series again, as there were plot and story elements that just whizzed right by me. I also didn’t grasp until late in the game that Kawamori was deliberately peppering the show with nostalgic bits and twists that echoed back to SDFM and DYRL (yeah, that was dense of me). Further, I probably need to reconsider my rather forgiving stance toward Ranka, as she was at least partially responsible for the widespread carnage that occurred in the final episode (and perhaps before that).

    Unfortunately, this is one area where I think Frontier badly failed – the almost total lack of reflection of the horrifying destruction wrought by Grace and the Vajra (and, by extension, Brera and Ranka [though Brera has an excuse - the verdict's still out on Ranka]). At the end of SDFM and especially DYRL, you came away with the feeling that those who survived had gone through hell and back (which they did) and everyone’s general outlook on life had been severely rattled as a result. The denouement of Frontier lacked that sort of tragedy, even though, ironically, Kawamori took some pains to show a set of realistic crisis after the attacks on the civilian sectors (the food rationing, for instance).

    I don’t think I’m prepared to get into the whole ship/LT/harem situation. Well, okay, I will say that I prefer Alto choose Sheryl (I’m sure that’ll get me into a lot of trouble). As an “older guy”, though, I gravitate more towards adults than adolescents and I don’t think there’s any question that Sheryl is the more mature of the two. I was a little shocked when I first learned that both Sheryl and Ranka are, essentially, the same age, but that does make some sense given Ranka’s partial Zentraedi heritage. I think it’s been established that the Zentraedi are to humans what Vulcans are to humans in Star Trek (they’re physically stronger and have longer lifespans).

    I suppose I shouldn’t complain too much about Frontier’s convoluted plot elements. If you read the background of the Macross cannon, it’s pretty overwhelming, what with the Protoculture, Protodeviln, Stellar Republic, Supervision Army, Bird Humans, and other wild and crazy races/groups. And now you’ve got the Vajra thrown into the mix. In some ways, I prefer Robotech’s more straightforward and simplified storytelling (hey, Robotech had a lot of things going for it).

    Wow, that was a pretty disjointed post. Fortunately, not as long as the first. ;)

  • October 2, 2008 at 8:29 pmNoracalo

    Well. It was a good anime after all.

    I got lot of fun watching the last ep. I really liked how the thing were taken on the mecha fight. I never expected that Macross Galaxy were there. That was a nice touch.
    All song played were fantastic. I really liked them all ^^

    Sheryl also got healed thanks to Ranka. (thank you RANKA!!!)

    Brera is alive and with the good guys. Klan using Michael aircraft… facinating.

    SMS coming to rescue everyone and saving the day… fantastic.

    Now, even tho the trigle weren’t resolved, there are some clue from everyone who saw the serie: Sheryl is way ahead of Ranka. As somone already said: Eveyone that say “I won’t lose” to his/her counter part bit the dust in the end no matter what. Now, we can really see that everything will start over from this point, since both girl have declared the war between them in song AND love. Who will priveil? The Galactic Fairy or the Cindeller? I bet on my Fairy every day :-)

    And yes, the action in whole last ep was rushed a little bit, but they make it really good to be able to cover and explain all the stuff.

    And… let’s wait for the movie now!! ^^

  • October 6, 2008 at 11:03 amWoof

    Sheryl is way ahead in points! In your face Ranka fans! LOL

  • October 6, 2008 at 9:41 pmViolett

    @An Old Macross Fan

    Actually the main reason why they put macross, southern cross and mosphera in one series was because due to the current tv rules at the time an tv series needed to be at least 67-68 episodes long.

    I’m like the Japanese original myself but I have seen both robotech and SDF verrsion but the one thing which annoys me to no end is the harmony gold and Studio Nue lawsuit. I understand the reasons for changing the story to fit the rules set the but one thing which really peeved me off was that harmony gold brought out the rights for anything labelled with ‘MACROSS’ outside of Asia just to protect their ‘ROBOTECH’ fanbase. Another thing is they bluntly steal designs from the macross universe even though they technically lose the battle of using anything beyond the vf-1 designs and they even claim it is their own work (aka just give it a different name).

    Anyway enough ranting about that, overall Macross F was a good series but the episodes between 11-21 left me baffled, the story progressed too slow and too much time was wasted on the triangle. The music was there but in terms of jaw dropping Dogfights there were really maybe only 3-4 episodes worth mentioning. But there all the homage to DYRTL and SDFM were a plus, i remember the pineapple cake episode almost made me want to not watch it fearing the death of ozma.

    If you look at the macross Zero tribute episodes nearly 90% of the BGs were recycled, but for some reason it had to be one of my favorites. I actually only see s little of Zero and that episode did a ok job of summarising the OVA.

    I am 90% sure there won’t be a second series of MF, from what Kawamori tends not to make more than a OVA or movie to his series. It would probably ruin the series if he did do that as they would have to make a ridiculous side story of how another enemy pops up that was related to the bad guys of this series even though no hint was given in this current one.

    Hopefully the movie will have higher production values like DYRTL did in its time and for christ sakes nothing like macross 7s OVAs.

  • October 7, 2008 at 6:17 amPeter von Frosta

    @An Old Macross Fan

    Where can I actually read about the Macross cannon an background? I haven’t watched all of Macross yet (I skipped Macross 7 after only watching 2 Eps) and I think I need some memory refreshing ;)

    Cheers,
    Daniel

  • October 9, 2008 at 11:06 pmAn Old Macross Fan

    Violett, that’s what I meant, but may not’ve been entirely clear (hence the syndication comment).

    Rewatching Frontier is still on the plate. I just need to clear up the time (which shouldn’t be a problem, as there’s literally >nothing< on at the moment – on TV or at the movies – ugh).

    I’ve only read the tip of the lawsuit, but just that much gave me a migraine. It’s a legal messy spaghetti, probably rivaling that of the Heavy Metal home video rights entanglements. Still, the HM zoo was eventually resolved, so I suppose hope springs eternal. Unfortunately, from what I’ve read, anime as a market force is shrinking in the U.S., not expanding, so there’re no forces at the moment or in the foreseeable future willing or able to bring the situation to a head.

    Daniel, the “true” Macross (not Robotech) backstory can be found at a majority of sites. I know Wikipedia gets dumped on a lot for credible peer review (meaning – the lack thereof), but I’d still start there, then fork out as internal Wiki links and external sites take you. Once you enter “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross”, be prepared to spend a few hours reading what people have compiled. I’m sure errors abound, but be flexible and take along some salt in the knowledge that a lot of this information had to be converted from a variety of sources (e.g., print, video, oral) by fans, not professional English-Japanese translators.

    It’s a helluva read. Some stuff will absolutely blow your mind. You could spend hours alone jumping from Wiki to Wiki pages before branching out to externally linked sites. Just type in whatever you want to know more about, like:

    protoculture
    Protodeviln
    Stellar Republic
    supervision army
    Bird Humans/Macross Zero
    South Ataria
    ASS-1 (Alien Star Ship 1)
    SDF-2 “Megaroad”
    DYRL
    Flashback 2012

    and anything else that’s related. Just remember to stay away from sites that are beholden to Robotech, as you probably won’t glean much from them in terms of the primary “pure” backstory. God forbid if you get mired in the Macek-only plot devices like Zor, the Protoculture Masters, the Invid, and Reflex Point (remember that The Southern Cross and Mospeada have absolutely NOTHING to do story-wise with Macross).

    Unfortunately, you’ll have to delve fairly deeply into the dregs of Macross 7 in order to get a more complete picture. On the plus side, though, you can take a pass on Macross II altogether.

    Good luck!

  • October 10, 2008 at 10:25 amJunko Tamiya

    Peter von Frosta:

    I first recommend that you read this…
    http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/continuity.shtml

    Then look at this timeline…
    http://macross.anime.net/story/chronology/short/index.html

    Hope that helps!

  • October 12, 2008 at 3:33 amkyoko

    there is a movie?

  • December 20, 2008 at 5:10 pmhei

    [quote]“nycs at 7:42 pm on September 25th, 2008

    Alto lives! As if that was much of surprise.
    SMS saves the day. Jeffrey Wilder is sooo GAR.
    Giant Ranka is actually Battle Galaxy.
    Kuran in Skull-2’s VF-25G. YES! She looks so adorable in a pilot suit!
    As predicted by many Ranka fans, Alto is back in VF-25S and the Nome earring is very important in this battle.
    Luca actually shoots something down.
    Ranka gives Sheryl the ability to make her tummy glow.
    Song Overload that rivals Macross Flash Back 2012
    Canaria continues to be GAR.
    Alto gets Michael’s sniper from Kuran and uses it on Grace.
    Alto and Brera team-up. YES. They both perform Sora and Riku’s KH2 Limit: Session. Alto pulls a Kira Yamato with the rapid-eye movement in conjunction with the auto-lock targeting system.
    Bad guys, Grace and Leon, get what’s coming for them.
    Awww. Bilrer only wanted to save/rescue Minmay. SMS – Save Minmay Soon.
    Macross Frontier Movie Confirmed! Let the shipping wars continue!

    Songs played: Northern Cross, Anata no Oto, Lion, Infinity, Watashi no Kare wa ,Diamond Creavasse, Seikan Hikou, What ’bout my star?, Ai Oboete Imasu ka, Aimo, Triangler (fight on stage)

    Overall, the ending was predictable but satisfying. It was similar to Macross 7 where the aliens make peace with the humans. In other to appease the fans, no girl was chosen; a decision common in many harem anime. Though no girl won, I still think Sheryl is ahead.” [/quote]

    LOLOLOL i can’t say it any better =)

  • February 7, 2009 at 10:31 amZee

    to tell the truth, after reading most of these comments i feel most of you are very selfish. it might be a little late for a post seeing when it started but i just had to you know. i think it was a great finished, i never thought it was rushed at all (even though i would have like to see more of it) solely because i really enjoyed the series right to the end and the last episode was the best way to finish it. I mean really, do we need to find out who he will end up with?, if that where to happen we would have had in forums every were how they whished alto ends up with this person and not the other. If any thing am glad it wasn’t shown, its better to leave it to our own toughts

  • March 19, 2009 at 4:13 amToshi

    I agree it was a great anime

    I thought the epic fight could of lasted more the half an episode though but sad to see it end .

    It has great music and movie this fall ^ ^

  • July 25, 2009 at 12:37 pmGrauDuke

    totally agree with Zee. I don’t really see how Alto is indecisive. He’s being considerate in my opinion. There might be times that he is unmotivated or frustrated, but he is HUMAN. If he was really indecisive, he could’ve remained a ordinary deliquent in school, who dislikes his dad and only complain how his life sucks.
    I doubt the creators are gonna bring closure to triangle, it’ll just make people either side disappointed.
    If this series doesn’t fit your taste, go find sth else more simple, hot-blooded(refer to Jap. anime genre)and maybe more GAR (and less humane)

  • September 6, 2009 at 12:58 amleonx

    @An Old Macross Fan:

    That’s what I call hypocrisy.

  • October 9, 2009 at 9:45 pmHanabira

    Not only the ear ring sparkling but he said Sheryl’s name first when he addresses both Sheryl and Ranka in that scene. And before that he usually said Ranka’s name first.

    Sheryl x Alto FTW~

  • December 3, 2009 at 5:52 amahelo

    i thought this ending was pretty good. Why was there no resolution to the love triangle!?!?

  • December 14, 2009 at 10:29 pm張凱恩

    because the resolution will be in the second macross f movie

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