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「ジャック・ザ・リッパー」 (Jyakku • Za • Rippaa)
“Jack The Ripper”

Here we go — it’s time for the plot to slow down once again as we build up to the next climax.

General Impressions

I’m not sure how to feel about this week’s episode. Yes, I understand that we once again got another episode devoted to setting things up for the future. But even though I understand what happened, it doesn’t make me any less disappointed. More on that later though, since there was one part of the episode that really piqued my interest.

And that point my friends, was Jack the Ripper herself. Looking back at it, I don’t think I ever took the time to think about just why this little murder child existed. Besides being another rouge servant that didn’t play along with the established Red versus Black paradigm, I figured Jack and her “mother” were playing the chaotic neutral card and just doing whatever they wanted to do. A thought that when I look back was pretty dumb since for the most part, Heroic Spirits or Legends end up participating in the Holy Grail War for the specific purpose of having a wish granted. And when you think about the whole fact that you usually have to defeat all the servants before the Holy Grail will do anything (I’m not sure how it works in Apocrypha since some players have spoken about a second war that would have to be waged after one faction was defeated), Jack’s strategy becomes quite astute. Not necessarily because it’s a simple plan of action that anyone patient enough could execute, but specifically because she and her Master thus far have been able to do it. That and I loved how someone realized that Yggdmillennia was on the ropes and if there was a time to strike, right now would be it.

Glaring praise of Jack aside, let’s go back to the situation between Jeanne and Sieg that the story won’t stop trying to force down our throats (I feel like the comments are slowly beginning to affect me). Now, before anyone accuses me of siding with anyone, I don’t care whether or not the two end up together. This is a Fate show and happy endings are far and few in-between. What irks me the most about all of this is just how empty the relationship between the two are. Or rather, how empty Jeanne’s feelings for Sieg “feels”. I think it’s painfully obvious that Sieg doesn’t see Jeanne in a romantic light and who could blame him? There hasn’t been much going on in the romance department and I’m waiting for the two to share some kind of meaningful conversation.

Anyways, let me close this post out before it gets any longer. With the story building up toward the next big battle with Assassin, I can’t wait for another opportunity for team Yggdmillennia x Mordred x Ruler to do their thing again. Until then I guess I’ll patiently wait and watch as the story does its thing. Catch you guys next week!

P.S. Gotta hand it to the writers for not forgetting about Gordes. I can’t help but love that he’s getting a second chance to redeem himself.

October 25, 2017 at 2:10 am
132 comments »
  • October 25, 2017 at 2:30 amultimatemegax

    Official relationship chart for Fate/Apocrypha
    https://i.imgur.com/5iZ3mX8.jpg

    Sieg ↔ Astolfo “Trust and mutual dependence.”
    Sieg ← Astolfo “Willing to help him out whenever he needs” & “Romantic love ♥”
    Sieg → Jeanne “Love…?”
    Sieg ← Jeanne “Pledge to protect” & “Romantic love ♥.”
    Sieg ← Siegfried “Sacrifices itself to save the boy.”
    Sieg ↔ Shirou “Enemies.”
    Sieg ← Celenike “Jealousy, envy and hatred.”
    Sieg ← Avicebron “Wanting to use him as his Golem’s ‘core’.”
    Astolfo ← Celenike “Please pardon me.”
    Astolfo ← Celenike “Obsessive–compulsive disorder.”
    Jeanne → Red and black faction “Supervisor”.

  • October 25, 2017 at 2:32 amJabberwock

    • October 25, 2017 at 3:15 amunhealthyman

      yes

    • October 25, 2017 at 3:22 pmImean

      I don’t watch the show or anything, but I still have to come here for the comments about the best girl. Is that really a trap? Looks too genuine from the screens…

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:34 amArx7arbalest

        they may say it’s a dude, but it’s a girl with rocks in her underwear until I see CANON genetalia.

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:20 amMylene

      The perfect waifu

    • October 26, 2017 at 9:34 amWestlo

      Astolfo is for chilling on the couch and watching anime with late at night and having him fall asleep and use your shoulder as a pillow.

    • October 26, 2017 at 9:54 amSteel Angel

      Why is she so perfect?

  • October 25, 2017 at 3:12 ampeko

    • October 25, 2017 at 3:21 amaya_honda

      soon.

      • October 25, 2017 at 5:47 amSpotlesseden

        Waiting for it.

    • October 25, 2017 at 5:09 amMohawk52

      These two are literally the best pair in terms of compatibility and chemistry.

      • October 25, 2017 at 5:14 amMoekou

        Because with Jeanne it was on a tralala waifu panderig level. With Astolfo, it was on a deeper one.

    • October 25, 2017 at 7:21 amTreeborn

      • October 25, 2017 at 7:31 amNakadashi

        Because it’s literally a girl that you know has a dick and no boobs. Anime sucks almost as much as Astolfo sucks Sieg’s penis every single day.

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:54 amFai

        Astolfo and Sieg are so cute. I want to cuddle with them.

    • October 27, 2017 at 1:44 amBotan24

      Does Sieg get to pump her full of mana?

  • October 25, 2017 at 3:20 amone3rd

    • October 25, 2017 at 4:35 amblind_assassin

      I never understood why they are a thing when they’ve haven’t really done much together. On the other hand, Astolfo and Sieg have built a strong relationship to one another and has one of the best Master and Servant relationship of the franchise.

      • October 25, 2017 at 7:02 amAex

        Jeanne is the cute girl in the next class over that thinks Sieg is cool and hot without knowing him so she forces her way into his life, while Astolfo is the devoted childhood friend that wants Sieg to be happy above all else, even without him/her. Seen it a million times in anime, we all know who always wins, it’s just even more ridiculous than usual because of the whole part where they’re, you know, friggen mythological heroes!

      • October 25, 2017 at 1:14 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        In terms of Sieg and Jeanne, from what I’ve read online, it’s actually more Leticia that’s crushing on Sieg rather than Jeanne herself. It’s just that Leticia’s own emotions and feelings can sometimes end up surfacing through Jeanne given it’s still Leticia’s own body being possessed (with Leticia’s consent) by Jeanne’s spirit. This is why Jeanne can sometimes seem neutral towards Sieg one moment (simply keeping a promise), but then start seeming more schoolgirl-like with a crush in another (and also why we get that inner conversation between them early on).

        Dunno if there’s a “feelings start mixing together” thing going or what though.

      • October 25, 2017 at 9:07 pmStupidman007

        In terms of Sieg and Jeanne, from what I’ve read online, it’s actually more Leticia that’s crushing on Sieg rather than Jeanne herself.

        This occurred only in the first volumes. I only hope you are aware that this is just butthurt/headcanon/fanwank/fanfiction made by delusional fgofags. They just can’t handle the idea that his waifu has been stolen from them and that she can’t pair with his pathetic self-insert male/female protagonists of the cancer mobage about ”Waifu/Yuri pandering” called F/GO, because Sieg and Jeanne are one of the Type-Monn cannon couples like Shirou and Artoria, Shirou, Sakura, Shirou and Rin, and Apocrypha was made before F/GO.

        It’s just that Leticia’s own emotions and feelings can sometimes end up surfacing through Jeanne given it’s still Leticia’s own body being possessed (with Leticia’s consent) by Jeanne’s spirit.

        Leticia is just a plot device used to develop the Jeanne’s feelings for Sieg.

        This is why Jeanne can sometimes seem neutral towards Sieg one moment (simply keeping a promise),

        The promises of Jesus to Siegfried doesn’t exist in the light novel, that’s anime-original content. Jeanne was not even present when Siegfried sacrificed Himself to save Sieg or when Sieg takes up the name “Sieg” in honor of his friend (Astolfo was present at the scene, in the anime they have replaced Astolfo with Jeanne). Check the manga (chapters 15 and 16) is faithful to the source material.

        but then start seeming more schoolgirl-like with a crush in another (and also why we get that inner conversation between them early on).

        Dunno if there’s a “feelings start mixing together” thing going or what though.
        Jeanne’s character stereotype is kuudere and she is quite dense and dumb when it comes to relationships.

    • October 25, 2017 at 4:44 amMegiddo

      The sad thing is they really would have been better if they had the guts to have the Astolfo win, their interactions and chemistry with the main character flows naturally. Unlike the whole thing with Jeanne which just feels forced.

  • October 25, 2017 at 5:05 amone3rd

    • October 25, 2017 at 10:35 pmRandall Miyashiro

      That night they had sex without a condom.

  • October 25, 2017 at 5:24 amfrentymon

    I’m mad, nervous, fed up, and for the next five minutes I’m going to go totally bananas because Apex stopped subbing.

    • October 25, 2017 at 5:39 amSpotlesseden

      He didn’t subbed last week because UTW actually released early.

      • October 25, 2017 at 5:48 amOutlawGundam

        With a shitty sub.

      • October 25, 2017 at 5:55 amTreeborn

        UTW doesn’t sub this show though.
        They pay some guy from China to Google translate it. It’s unwatchable.

      • October 25, 2017 at 7:28 amLydiaDianne

        That’s funny because loads of people watched it just fine.

      • October 25, 2017 at 8:47 amHitokiriShadow

        People with a tenuous grasp of the English language and little to no knowledge of the Fate franchise think UTW’s subs are acceptable. They are wrong.
        Enjoy your autonomous, unique aura.

  • October 25, 2017 at 5:38 amEmDiPi_Micke

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2005.jpg
    if Sieg and Jeanne with Laeticia’s bod have vaginal sex without a condom, does Laeticia get preggo?

    • October 26, 2017 at 5:16 amLydiaDianne

      Servants can’t get pregnant, but I don’t know how much the Ruler class.

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:50 amracinphil

        Jannu’s possessing someone else who happens to look exactly like her, though.

    • October 26, 2017 at 5:50 amKruszer

      Can homunculi breed in the first place?

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:17 amthe Rancorous

        Illya

  • October 25, 2017 at 7:38 amDrakashi

    Why Aquilles looks so gay? Regardless of his pose on that, he always gives off that impression. Is the design? I’m a pleb of design, so please educate me.

    • October 25, 2017 at 8:19 amDaemonblue

      Greeks are gay

    • October 25, 2017 at 8:35 pmkyaeos

      I mean people can look however they want and particularly anime characters have always had eccentric costuming, doesn’t mean anything to do with their sexuality. but also, achilles is SUPER gay dude lmao. ever heard of patroclus?

    • October 25, 2017 at 10:23 pmamdemonroach

      As I said earlier, Hercules and Xena are the only ones who save themselves.

  • October 25, 2017 at 9:26 amMagewolf

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2014.jpg

    Astolfo’s outfit was the high point of the episode. It is so sporty and fuckable.

    • October 26, 2017 at 4:08 pmkilljoy_the

      Fucking hell. Astolfo with pantyhose is the peak.

  • October 25, 2017 at 11:54 amYanDaMan

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2014.jpg

    I am 80% more convinced Astolfo is just a really flat chested girl. Especially when you dress like this.

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:00 amsizzlin_chiken

      Why does Jeanne’s face look like Chaika in there?

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:16 amAylinn

        Because Sieg’s penis is strong and thick like that of an dragon.

      • October 26, 2017 at 9:30 amArcwave

        Because nip manga authors know how to draw, at most, three body types.

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:48 amusagimimi

      is it stated whether Astolfo shaves his pubes?

      • October 26, 2017 at 3:22 pmTeriyaki Terrier

        Implying anyone could forget about those hips and thighs.

  • October 25, 2017 at 12:36 pmpancake

    Jeanne/Sieg being forced down our throat makes it a thousand times more unbearable to watch. Yikes.

    • October 25, 2017 at 10:29 pmhaseo0408

      I am on the JeanneXSieg ship, I think they are really cute together.

      • October 25, 2017 at 10:38 pmAnime_Fever

        Only in volumes 2 and 5.

  • October 25, 2017 at 1:12 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:30 ambonbonsrus

      This is gay.
      All of you are gay.

      • October 26, 2017 at 9:37 amDargonxtc

        - draw a girl.
        - call her a boy.
        Fuck that. Real life traps are so fucking ugly. Women are rounder. Men are square. Only massive plastic surgery and hormones will change this.

      • October 26, 2017 at 3:19 pmPetrifiedJello

        Have you observed the thread and witnessed how sexy Astolfo is? Hating on Astolfo means you are gay.

      • October 26, 2017 at 4:01 pmEmbraceMe

        @bonbonsrus You’re wrong. What a heterosexual individual is sexually attracted to are to the chromosomes of the other person, but the looks. If a man looks very feminine it is perfectly normal to pop a boner, just as it is perfectly normal to not be attracted to a very masculine woman.

  • October 25, 2017 at 2:35 pmqwert

    And instead of Fiore using a command spell to instantly summon Chiron she tries to go solo against Jack because… it padded out the episode?

    • October 25, 2017 at 5:17 pmBob

      In the LN she was too terrified to think of it, which is exactly as unsatisfyingly horror movie logic as in the anime.

    • October 25, 2017 at 6:40 pmtru-alucard

      it wouldn’t be helpful, because Jack did a magical cycle around the city and the Castle so that the Masters couldn’t call his Servents back.
      Jack waited until the Servents walked away from the Castle to attack Fiore.
      Pay attention when Astolfo, Chiron and Jeanne arrived in the city, the scene was cut for a guy’s scene with a magical cycle on his side, this magical cycle has symbol of Jack’s Command Spells, he warns Jack that the servents were in the city.

  • October 25, 2017 at 6:50 pmHarleyquin

    • October 26, 2017 at 9:17 amTF

      Do you think when Astolfo lusts for dragon cock she just blames trap’s lewd body?

      • October 26, 2017 at 8:41 pmAgent355

        Only sometimes.

    • October 27, 2017 at 1:46 amookamigirl

      Why haven’t they fucked yet?

  • October 25, 2017 at 7:25 pmL002

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2015.jpg
    I would have liked to see if these two were alive in another universe. Meh.

    The fact that Jack the Ripper is the next target, which signals a death flag, doesn’t surprise me. In many anime/manga, I can see that the “mother and daughter” is a popular trope where tragic death occurs.
    Examples with a tragic occurrence that involves a mother and child.
    Show Spoiler ▼

    Enlighten me if anyone knows any more. These are the only examples I know.

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2023.jpg
    The biggest irony for Gordes, thus far, is that he is more useful without a Servant.

    I find it interesting that Chiron had made a big JUMP like that, in the middle of the city, where he hopes that nobody had saw him.

    Dumb question, are the homunculus still being used as “Fuel” for the Servants of Black? I can imagine that Chiron needs some fuel so that Fiore can fight.

  • October 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm75ChaosFlare

    Honestly, I think they just put that there because they did it with FSN(MC and blonde girl are shipped together) and I find Astolfo relationship with Sieg actually have something for it rather comradery/friendship/one-sided romance.

    I also like the brief “mother/daughter” moments seen with Jack and her master and find it pretty cute despite how insane it is overall.

    • October 25, 2017 at 8:31 pmkyaeos

      That’s funny that you mention the F/SN romance; I think you’re absolutely right and (along with most people here) that there’s no chemistry with Jeanne and Sieg, and it’s probably BECAUSE they’re like lesser versions of Shirou and Saber. Sieg has 1/10th the personality and humour (and I’m not saying Shirou is always the greatest lead either lmao) and Jeanne has none of Saber’s struggle and character development.

      Astolfo on the other hand has personality enough for everyone („ᵕᴗᵕ„) because Astolfo is perfect and selfless and the best („ᵕᴗᵕ„)

      • October 25, 2017 at 10:20 pmsizzlin_chiken

        To be honest, Shirou has the worst kinds of tropes and clichés that can be found in virtually every self-insert beta harem MCs that are Gynophobia, blush and multiples love interests wanting your dick (Sakura, Rin, Sabe, Illya and Maeda), Shirou also has a blonde waifu as his Servent.

        has 1/10th the personality and humou

        I’m sorry, but this type of comparison doesn’t make any sense, because the history of Sieg begun to be counted from the ”Zero” when he was still a new-born homunculus. While the history of Shirou begun to be counted from the point where Shirou was already a high school student full of friends and at this point he had already learned a lot about life, world and people through his friends and Kiritsugu.
        If the story of Shirou had begun to be counted from the point where Kiritsugu saved him for the fire, completely empty without any knowledge of why he was alive and he should do with his life, Shirou would have been equal to Sieg.

      • October 25, 2017 at 10:35 pmkyaeos

        @sizzlin_chiken, I didn’t mean to imply I don’t like Sieg at all, because I do compared to most people watching the show. And I’m not a fan of the way Shirou is a VN protagonist in that way. But by virtue of less storybuilding around Sieg than Shirou and the homonculus thing (which I don’t blame Sieg for as he IS practically a newborn), he has less complexity and depth in his heroic mission. As does Jeanne. So if we compare to Saber and Shirou and the depth of storybuilding/complexity around their respective and collective narratives, both Jeanne and Sieg are a little shallower (even though I think they’re both fine as characters in their own right) which means their romance feels kind of shallow too. In my opinion!

      • October 25, 2017 at 11:31 pmHazumu-san

        @kyaeos

        the worst kinds of tropes and clichés that can be found in virtually every self-insert beta harem MCs that are Gynophobia, blush and multiples love interests wanting your dick

        I really don’t like characters with the above mentioned characteristics.

        @kyaeos

        As does Jeanne.

        Apocrypha Jeanne still is character better than FGO Jeanne, because in FGO Jeanne is literally just a yuri/waifu/fanservice pandering character. FGO is assassinating her character with fanservice, yuri and yuri/waifu panderig.
        Jesus Christ, a Saint like Jeanne being thrown into fanservice, yuri and yuri/waifu panderig as in F/GO is stupid because it goes entirely against the story the character is supposed to be based on, besides being literally a disrespect of the Catholic Church and God, and clearly demonstrates how much this mobage trash about waifu is cancer.

    • October 27, 2017 at 3:26 ambllanosr

      Jeanne, because in FGO Jeanne is literally just a yuri/waifu/fanservice pandering character. FGO is assassinating her character with fanservice, yuri and yuri/waifu panderig.
      Jesus Christ, a Saint like Jeanne being thrown into fanservice, yuri and yuri/waifu panderig as in F/GO is stupid because it goes entirely against the story the character is supposed to be based on, besides being literally a disrespect of the Catholic Church and God, and clearly demonstrates how much this mobage trash about waifu is cancer.

      What the fuck happened to fate?

      • October 27, 2017 at 3:43 amTyna

        Fate was never good.
        It was always a pretentious ero-VN for fedoras who thought they played/watched some deep shit when reality is that it just turned history characters into shit tier waifus and currently into shit tier yuri/CGDCT waifus.

      • October 27, 2017 at 4:35 amst_owly

        Fate was always the EOP VN equivalent of a typical ecchi battle harem. Decent, but massively and obnoxiously overrated, with an extremely loud and ignorant fanbase that considers it the best thing in the world.

        Then FGO came and literally ruined and destroyed the franchise with modern cancer, apart from bringing with him a huge legion of degenerate obnoxious tertiary fans.

      • October 27, 2017 at 6:44 amphia_one

        Killed by easy mobile money from a new fanbase who “likes” Type-Moon for entirely different reasons.

      • October 27, 2017 at 8:40 amLynxikat

        Nothing. It’s always been shit, but its chuuni fanbase pretended it was a well-written work of art.

      • October 27, 2017 at 9:16 amMaxSouth

        Fate fanbase – 2017

        Primaries: Let’s learn the secret of magic and get to the Root!
        Secondaries: Let’s watch a bunch of overly cliched shounen stereotypical heroes fight each other in random pointless battles!
        Tertiaries: Let’s summon a bunch of waifus and make a harem or a yuri harem!

      • October 27, 2017 at 1:01 pmHaruhiToy

        Shit Order ruined the franchise

      • October 27, 2017 at 2:28 pmdirkusbirkus

        draw a girl.
        call it king Arthur
        are the nips retarded?

      • October 28, 2017 at 2:16 amtimesteel

        @MaxSouth

        Primaries: Let’s learn the secret of magic and get to the Root!

        a meagre 1%

        Secondaries: Let’s watch a bunch of overly cliched shounen stereotypical heroes fight each other in random pointless battles!

        zerofags

        Tertiaries: Let’s summon a bunch of waifus and make a harem or a yuri harem!

        weebshits like redditors, malfags and fgotards

        weebshits like redditors, malfags and fgotards

    • October 29, 2017 at 12:36 amSDFGS

      I honestly don’t get this whole thread of comments. I’m not one of those people that just say “If you don’t like it don’t comment”, but seriously, it seems like all of you just derive no joy from the Fate series in general (don’t kid yourselves). Like honestly this just seems like petty first-world complaints that are blown out of proportion. Its just amusing that you guys are just throwing around the whole reddit-fedora thing on anyone who doesn’t fall within your qualifications of a fan. But this is exactly the kind of stuff that pretentious fedora-wearing redditers do. IDK, you claim to dislick the franchise but seem to care enough to have all of this internet warrior hate. Honestly, the Type of Fate you all envision would have just gotten stagnant. While things have grown (or in other cases devolved) with this franchise, its all part of growing. Things need to step out of its box and do something new to garner a wider demographic if it hopes surviving.

      IDK, lately these Apocrypha comments have been sorted into 2 categories:
      People who want to talk about Seig x Astolfo
      People who want to shit on the entire fanbase and hold onto a singular title that they revere as the holy grail as everythimg else that came out after that is utter dog crap.

      Straight up becoming a chore just to read these things when both sides are being so one-track minded.

      • October 29, 2017 at 2:28 amHazumu-san

        The Catholic Saints should not be used as as yuri/waifu pandering characters, masturbation material and fanservice like ”Saint Jeanne d’Arc” and ”Saint Martha of Bethany”, or as relief comic characters like Saint George of Lydda.

        When Pope John Paul II calls blasphemy against the Saints t an “eternal sin,” it means a sin that God will not forgive to all eternity.

      • October 29, 2017 at 2:33 amWorldwidedepp

      • October 29, 2017 at 11:03 pmHazumu-san

        non-fanservice and non-pornography

      • October 30, 2017 at 4:33 amTwilightmaster

        @WSDFGS Because it’s an extremely rare occurrence.
        If my memory serves me right, this is the first time we have had the MC’s servant that is also one of the MC’s love interests of the same sex as the MC for an Type-Moon anime adaptation.

  • October 25, 2017 at 10:27 pmhaseo0408

    Man, being killed by Jack The Ripper must be the most horrible way to die ever! Just look up what that monster did in White Chapel, no wonder the british police though they were dealing with a monster, they were right on the money.

    P.S.: that skill that erases memories of her apearence must be connected to the fact the Reaper was never caught and became the biggest mistery of crime history.

  • October 25, 2017 at 10:30 pmPantsGoblin

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2005.jpg
    If they fuck, does that mean Leticia was raped? Pretty sure she didn’t consent to these shenanigans.

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2030.jpg
    I just came to realization… Jack the Ripper is not a “heroic spirit”, in fact he’s evil much like Medusa… How come they could summon her? The grail is not contaminated…?

    • October 26, 2017 at 1:07 amJHN

      The grail already was contaminated in the 3rd war. Assuming that hasn’t changed.

      Then again, its obvious liberties are taken as they go along. Originally no other servants could be summoned as Assassin but Hassans.

      • October 27, 2017 at 11:47 amhaseo0408

        In this timeline the Grail was not contaminated but its system have been clearly modify to a degree, I guess that´s the reason Jack was summoned. Remember the Grail is not perfect for any means, mess with it a little and you get horrible results like the Fuyuki Fire in the Third War and the Corruption, also the fact Amakusa Shiro Tokisada even exist!.

      • October 27, 2017 at 12:59 pmSoundmonkey44

        Our chuuni priest touched the Grail in Third War and he has obtained permanently the Ruler’s body which should be used by the Servant summoned as Ruler in the wars following the Third Holy Grail War. That’s why Jeanne had to use Laeticia’s body.

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:29 pmnightjuan

      Jeanne can’t look at a dragon dick and not pop a boner.

  • October 26, 2017 at 1:08 amJHN

    I can’t be the only one who thought it was stupid for them to send away every servant they have, right?

  • October 26, 2017 at 4:11 amKirkdawg

    Fate/Apocrypha – Episode 17 Preview
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvkZEuotkI

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:02 pmgame

      This is a Preview for Fate Apocrypha Episode 17 with English subtitles.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39CLg3ebYCA

      17.Träumerei
      Jack the Ripper, the Assassin of Black, assaulted Castle Millennia.
      Although she tries to attack Fiore, people like Sieg running to fight against her and she runs away again.
      Sieg and Jeanne d’Arc goes to a city, Trifas to lure out of Jack the Ripper as a bait.
      Sieg heads down to a city for the first time, and looking at a lot of people lets him be becoming aware of a thought formed in mind.
      But a fog is approaching Trifas silently.

      TL Note: “Träumerei” means “Daydream” in German.

      source: http://fate-apocrypha.com/story/

      • October 27, 2017 at 4:58 amOrtensia1980

        Sieg and Jeanne on a Date?

      • October 27, 2017 at 5:51 amBrokenByDefault

        Yeah, And Astolfo sounds jealous about it lol.

      • October 27, 2017 at 7:09 amCrusher X303

        poor Astolfo.

  • October 26, 2017 at 8:19 amtheirs

    Glad Fiore’s safe.
    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%2031.jpg
    But how did she get her gauntlet back? She clearly didn’t manage to get to that suitcase. Really thought she was a goner when this happened.
    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%2030.jpg

    When it comes to romance, I don’t think there’s any. The closest potential was between Caules and Fran. The other close relationships seem more like siblings or parent and child. I’d categorize Jeanne and Sieg as siblings, with Jeanne being the over protective older sister.

    • October 26, 2017 at 2:32 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

      Jack took the one she was normally using, but from the way it looked, Fiore took one that was hanging on the wall nearby; probably a prototype or earlier model as it only had two legs, but no arms like the one she used before, hence she could only use it to try to escape, but not fight.

  • October 26, 2017 at 9:49 amBunchuu of Chouka

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2011.jpg
    you’ll never dock together with Astolfo.
    why even live?

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:07 pmmarie-antoinette

      I really want to smell Astolfo’s breath.

  • October 26, 2017 at 2:12 pmURGH

    Muh literally Hitler is “useful” because writers for this abomination can`t manage believable characterization if their life depended on it. So they had to hitlerize him right to the ridiculous level and play off that to create some form of penance later. Would have been much better if he stayed Hitler and was fixing up homunculi for strictly pragmatic reasons.

    When will useless stooge of an mc fuck the blonde bitch already and move on to muh heroic sacrifice in name of some passionately delivered bullshit? I want to see her tears, it`s the only thing that makes my penis bigger these days.

  • October 26, 2017 at 3:17 pmBlood

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2032.jpg
    Why did they make such a cute loli into a sadist murderous psycopath?

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:24 pmTeriyaki Terrier

      So we can fantasise about Jack giving us the sweet release of death.

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:41 pmmrcuteguy

      i think you got your question reversed.

    • October 26, 2017 at 4:04 pmJaggedHammer

      More importantly, why is her theme music from x-files?

    • October 26, 2017 at 4:15 pmWhiteHairGirls

      The facade is just to have people let their guard down.

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:01 pmRukiia

      This is what happens when you allow abortions. Abortion law should be made less restrictive to allow such marvelous daughterus to materialize.

    • October 26, 2017 at 6:31 pmBoomerang Flash

      She’s not an actual person. She’s a combination of all the souls of aborted prostitute babies.

      • October 26, 2017 at 6:55 pmdan7el

        Funny, I live next door to someone who wouldn’t mind having all the sluts in one body. He’s convinced he’s not an actual person too. Must be a cosmic coincidence or something.

      • October 26, 2017 at 7:14 pmGewürtztraminer

        Are we talking about setting up some sort of test environment? Do some science before we push the law?

      • October 27, 2017 at 9:20 amOne-Eye

        Stuffed in a closet pretty much confirms that.

  • October 26, 2017 at 3:34 pmnightjuan

    http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2034.jpg

    Why is obtaining the physical grail so important again?
    Isn’t it just a meaningless artifact until you actually finish the holy grail war?
    What benefit does having the grail in your possession bring to you?

    • October 26, 2017 at 3:57 pmEmbraceMe

      I don’t think the Apocrypha Grail is the same as the original Fuyuki Grail anyway.
      In the original Fuyuki War the majority of the entrants didn’t even know what the Grail really was or what it was actually for, the whole War was effectively a massive con set up by the three families and Zelretch in order to achieve Heaven’s Feel, the whole wish granting thing was used as a lure to bait in heroic spirits as massive mana batteries and chumps capable of being their temporary tethers.

    • October 26, 2017 at 4:11 pmHelloBucket

      Same exact Grail relocated in another place, it’s just that a lot of info leaked out to third parties in the process.

      Also the Grail can be used as far four or five Servants are killed, it’s just that it works better with more. You have to add that the Grail wasn’t completed in the Third War, so it probably has energy left too.

      And the Grail certainly grants wishes because it’s an actual wish granting machine that works like the Einzbern’s magical trait on steroids as explained in HA. It’s a bait to lure sacrifices yeah, but it’s one that works.

    • October 26, 2017 at 5:07 pmkilljoy_the

      I’ve wondered if there’s any real evidence for that. Maybe it works in theory, but whose wish was ever successfully granted? It was botched in the Third, Fourth and Fifth Fuyuki Wars and the First didn’t even run properly.

      • October 26, 2017 at 5:31 pm7jaws7

        In theory it works and you can see in Apocrypha it was going to work if not for the hijack that happens at the end. Also what happens in HA is basically a minor Grail wish. In the Third War it was never used, the Lesser Grail was destroyed, and in the Fourth and Fifth it was functioning fine it was just corrupted to result in destructive wishes.

    • October 26, 2017 at 5:18 pmnightjuan

      So basically you don’t have to “complete” the ritual and you can just start making low power wishes prematurely if you have the grail?
      Does the wish granting miracle require the requester to be physically in close vicinity of the grail?
      Wasn’t the grail supposed to have some level of intelligence of its own, given how it chooses the participants, etc.?

      • October 26, 2017 at 5:37 pm7jaws7

        Does the wish granting miracle require the requester to be physically in close vicinity of the grail?

        You need to touch it. The whole point of the Einzbern’s magical trait is that it can bypass the whole magecraft formula process altogether and recreate miracles if you have enough magical energy.

        Wasn’t the grail supposed to have some level of intelligence of its own, given how it chooses the participants, etc.?

        There is a Q&A answer for that.

        Q: Is the will of the Greater Grail, which selects Masters, the same will of Justeaze who was offered as a sacrifice for the ritual that created it? Or does the Greater Grail lack any kind of volition?
        A: The Greater Grail does not have a will. Justeaze’s soul was completely sublimated.

        So no, it doesn’t have a will or intelligence, it’s just a machine. Once you add Angra it’s when it starts to do weird stuff.

      • October 26, 2017 at 5:58 pmnightjuan

        So no, it doesn’t have a will or intelligence, it’s just a machine. Once you add Angra it’s when it starts to do weird stuff.

        I suspected as much, but I had to confirm. Thanks.

  • October 26, 2017 at 7:52 pmsouma

    I’m really amazed there are people that can keep-up doing that one-man act….

    • October 26, 2017 at 8:33 pmGewürtztraminer

      http://randomc.net/image/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2016%20-%20Large%2011.jpg
      Why the hell did Astolfo turn so many people gay?
      Cute traps were a thing in anime before him. I don’t understand.

    • October 26, 2017 at 8:53 pmBeltane

      i just want a cuteboy who i can abuse and punch in the balls to relieve my stress
      is that so much to ask for?

    • October 27, 2017 at 1:41 amPolycell

      Astolfo is a HANDSOME GIRL!

      • October 27, 2017 at 1:14 pmHaruhiToy

        Astolfo is a guy.

      • October 27, 2017 at 9:56 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

        We all know Astolfo is male. It’s just a long-running joke because, with most other traps in anime, there’s usually SOME amount of belief in them being male because there’s usually a balance between the masculinity and femininity with their androgyny. However, Astolfo just looks, sounds, and acts so overall feminine, but with so little to suggest he is otherwise male outside of his official character descriptions specifically saying he is.

        So if you showed someone an image of Hideyoshi from Baka to Test (and they never saw it before), that person could mistake him for a girl, but once corrected and given another, closer look, chances are that person would nod and be able to see Hideyoshi as a boy.

        But show them an image of Astolfo (and never saw anything involving him before) and not only would that person more than likely mistake him for a girl, but even if you told them that Astolfo was actually male and give them a second look, chances are that person would not believe you.

  • October 29, 2017 at 12:26 amSDFGS

    Wow, so much hate for FGO XD….kind of pathetic in a sense. Because I really don’t get all this “Yuri” pandering some people are throwing out here. There’s “pandering” of course, but I really fail how to see there’s enough yuri stuff to just say fate go is trash all because of something that isn’t there. At most was just the Jeanne Alter x Bry ship that formed during that one event. Plus people tend to forget that a lot of the characters in the Fate Series are bisexual by default. That’s where your “Yuri” comes from. Though its mainstream Japan so they’ll of course only show the female aspect of it rather than the male, which is dumb.

    • October 29, 2017 at 2:28 amHazumu-san

      The Catholic Saints should not be used as as yuri/waifu pandering characters, masturbation material and fanservice like ”Saint Jeanne d’Arc” and ”Saint Martha of Bethany”, or as relief comic characters like Saint George of Lydda.

      When Pope John Paul II calls blasphemy against the Saints t an “eternal sin,” it means a sin that God will not forgive to all eternity.

    • October 29, 2017 at 2:39 amWorldwidedepp

      Funny fact:

      The King of Knights (Saber) was in real Life (did he real life or is he just an Idea from an Book?) an Male… But Fate just gave us the Female Saber and the Hype around her

      an so on. Since them i did not took this gender bender really serious

      • October 29, 2017 at 2:42 amWorldwidedepp

        it is an Fantasy Anime, and not an real Life Documentation what happen in our History…

        I am also looking at you @Hazumu-san

  • October 29, 2017 at 4:27 amGod

    Nasu should never have used the name and image of real Saints into a shit that it generates 190 million tons of pornographic material per year.

    if he wanted so much to use Saints, he should just write fictional Saints or use fake saints like Amakusa and the Mexican death saint.

  • October 29, 2017 at 4:28 amHazumu-san

    Nasu should never have used the name and image of real Saints into a shit that it generates 190 million tons of pornographic material per year.

  • October 30, 2017 at 12:42 amMoonlut

    • October 31, 2017 at 1:45 amSvidrigailov

      I agree

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