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「フロム・ヘル」 (Furomu • Heru)
“From Hell”

I actually really enjoyed this week’s episode.

General Impressions

It’s been quite a while since I’ve felt this about Apocrypha, but this week’s episode did a fantastic job at resonating with me. The storytelling, the characters, even Sieg managed to woo me in all the right ways. Leaping straight into the first point, let’s talk about just how great this week’s episode was in terms of the story it was trying to tell. Instead of some huge battle involving little kids ripping every other character limb from limb (I bet some of you like me were waiting for it), I really appreciated how the episode used this moment to highlight just how similar all our characters are. While their specific circumstances may differ, everyone at Trifas was dealing with the issue of just what it means to “exist”. Whether that means trying to save every single child possible or providing salvation to those children through freeing their souls, it doesn’t change the fact that there was a huge struggle going on between trying to determine who was correct. Looking at it from that point of view, it becomes pretty difficult to say whether Atalanta or Ruler had the correct train of thought when it came to dealing with Jack the Ripper. What may have been even better then that though, was how Sieg used the whole thing to really add some substance to his existence. As a homunculus who is trying to understand humanity and maybe even become “human” himself, it was fantastic to see him realize that the world is imperfect and that learning to accept that fact while moving forward is something that we all have to do.

Shifting gears back to the characters, I just wanted to talk about Jack the Ripper for a second. As someone who was badass as a servant and super humble facing death, I really wish her character got fleshed out more. Seeing how her character was the literal embodiment of children suffering (as well as possibly a commentary on England during that time), I can only imagine just how powerful this moment could have been had the story given her character a wee bit more time.

Overall, a great episode in my opinion. Sure, there may have been some odd moments here and there, but with what it had to work with, I thought it was a great way to end this mini Trifas arc. Our major characters got an opportunity to grow while less important side characters got some screen time. All that said, hopefully this also means we’ll be returning to the “main” focus of Team Sieg and friends trying to reclaim the Greater Holy Grail from Shirou. In any case, I’ll catch you guys next week. See you then!

November 6, 2017 at 10:01 pm
  • November 6, 2017 at 10:24 pmultimatemegax

    Official relationship chart for Fate/Apocrypha

    Sieg ↔ Astolfo “Trust and mutual dependence.”
    Sieg ← Astolfo “Willing to help him out whenever he needs” & “Romantic love ♥”
    Sieg → Jeanne “Love…?”
    Sieg ← Jeanne “Pledge to protect” & “Romantic love ♥.”
    Sieg ← Siegfried “Sacrifices itself to save the boy.”
    Sieg ↔ Shirou “Enemies.”
    Sieg ← Celenike “Jealousy, envy and hatred.”
    Sieg ← Avicebron “Wanting to use him as his Golem’s ‘core’.”
    Astolfo ← Celenike “Please pardon me.”
    Astolfo ← Celenike “Obsessive–compulsive disorder.”
    Jeanne → Red and black faction “Supervisor”.

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:04 amL002

      Fun fact, Atalanta’s Natural Enemy – Ruler.

      • November 7, 2017 at 12:36 amHisdon

        you are aware that Atalanta is currently crazy.

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:00 pmfurizaa

      Spartacus → Avicebron “Captured by.”
      Atalanta → Achilles “Don’t call me ‘Big Sister’.”
      Achilles → Atalanta “Likes to call her Big Sister.”
      Achilles ↔ Chiron “Has a connection in their past.”
      Siegfried → Gordes “Obeys.”
      Gordes → Siegfried = “Distrust.”
      Mordred ↔ Kairi “Trust & mutual dependence.”
      Mordred → Semiramis “Distrust.”
      Kairi → Shirou “Distrust.”
      Shakespeare “Forever alone.”
      Shirou ↔ Semiramis “Mutual cooperation.”
      Karna → Siegfried “wanting/swearing to battle him again.”
      Avicebron → Roche “Sees him as a student.”
      Roche → Avicebron “Respect.”

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:31 pmDaZ616

    Now at least our friends can no longer use Laeticia as an excuse to justify the love of Jeanne for Sieg.

    now it’s exorcism time
    Why didn’t she did it with Vlad like Amakusa

    • November 6, 2017 at 10:54 pmhaseo0408

      Jack might have been a monster born from tragedy but I really want to see those kids getting stab by magcical blades to purify them.

    • November 7, 2017 at 7:32 pmGeminiDS85

      Why was there a whore that looks like Jeanne inside Jack besides the real one?

      • November 7, 2017 at 7:49 pmdirkusbirkus

        Prostitute from 18th century England if I recall my Jack the Ripper folklore.

      • November 7, 2017 at 8:37 pmSpotlesseden

        Jeanne is shit for a real reason now. I think no other character got a clone this bad.

      • November 7, 2017 at 10:50 pmMagnus Tancred

        1. For LOLs. Same reason there’s a whore who looks like Chidori Kaname in Full Metal Panic: The Second Raid.

        2. Might be a not-so-subtle “she could have turned out like this if the situation were different”?

      • November 10, 2017 at 1:38 pmpoilk92

        If the kids could reason and be reasoned with, such that they could make their decision to die, then it would seem that they were conscious despite being part of Jack’s Reality Marble. Jeanne’s premise that they were just evil spirits, which is what she uses to justify killing them, then seems highly suspect. Atalanta was right.

    • November 10, 2017 at 10:59 amNasu

      Because if she had, then chunni priest wouldn’t have been able to beat up a super strong antagonist to show off how cool he was.

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:32 pmTcDohl

    • November 6, 2017 at 10:52 pmhaseo0408

      Did you see the face Jeanne made when Astolf started hugging Sieg, that girl can barely contain her love Sieg at this point! Seeing her all jealous is so cute.

      • November 7, 2017 at 12:08 amL002

        Does Jeanne know that Sieg’s rider is a boy? Jeanne has a “True Name Discernment” not a “True Gender Discernment.” If I was a Ruler, and I see “King Arthur” and all those gender swapped Servants, I would be so confused.

      • November 7, 2017 at 11:31 amBob

        One of Astolfo’s NPs lets him mess with and negate spells, to the point that he makes a bunch of scribbles and doodles on the status that Jeanne sees when she looks at him. Since he labelled his gender “Le Secret~”, Jeanne thinks he’s a girl.

      • November 7, 2017 at 9:05 pmhaseo0408

        I think that Jeanne would consider Astolfo a rival for Sieg´s love even if she discovers he´s a boy, the guy has zero personal space with with Sieg.

      • November 7, 2017 at 11:34 pmr3vival

        can become a girl, so can Aslolfo. Besides, with just a flick of a magic wand, she can be a real girl. Considering that and all she have done for Sieg, she is really the main heroine. Jeanne is just a second heroine and a third-wheel.

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:35 pmSimpsom

    • November 6, 2017 at 10:47 pmadonais

      Impregnate of course.

      • November 7, 2017 at 12:10 amL002

        Can female or male Servants make offspring?

      • November 7, 2017 at 1:10 amkilljoy_the

        seig would wish from the holy grail to turn astolfo into “real” girl.

    • November 6, 2017 at 10:53 pmPleroma

      this pink hair girl is quite flat.

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:01 amFai

      Marry both her and Sieg

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:20 amTranceLimit174

      Boondoggle her into marrying me and then cheat on her.

    • November 8, 2017 at 2:45 amWrangler

      flapping ham tasting like salty coins and milk or delicious hot sausage full of protein?
      no homo but vaginas are disgusting

    • November 10, 2017 at 10:56 amBlader

      If I had an astolfo, so help me god, I would visit such unholiness upon his anus that you would never shit again out of sheer sympathy. As I took great handfuls of his peachy white cheeks in my hands, satan himself would begin to weep with joy. He knows that the sin I am about to commit will damn every soul in existence, that the profane, wet noises alone will stain the universe with its echoes, that the sight of my face buried in her will scorch the eyes of god himself.

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:39 pmselenta

    Also, Astolfo remains best girl. She’s optimal girlfriend material.

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:44 pmHisdon

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:50 pmhaseo0408

    I can se why Atalanta feels that way regarding the tragedy of Jack and Jeanne´s dchioce to give them rest but at the end of the day she´s is just insane and broken by her own standards. Jack was a Legion of evil spirits hurting and killing everyone they touched so they could something, nothing could change that, no miracle could save them, by protecting them Atalanta was ensuring more innocent victims.

    I know Atalanta means well, but by imposing her ideals on other people, refusing to accept defeat or give mercy to those poor souls she will just creat a brand new hell for everyone, in a way she´s as insane as Shiro Amakusa seems to be and that´s so sad considering how noble bothe their dreams are.

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:06 pmmusashi1600

      Atalanta has a soft spot for kids, what with her being raised in the wild and all.

      • November 10, 2017 at 1:25 pmDarc_knight

        She’s famous for hunting the transsexuals but not turning into one. The hart transformation would make more sense.

      • November 10, 2017 at 1:43 pmGeminiDS85

        It would make sense that if you fucked her that she would turn into a berserker lion due to her vow, but the boar is a different case.

    • November 7, 2017 at 2:16 pmGeminiDS85

      She’s a fucking Argonaut. Everyone’s overall competence level nosedives when they’re part of a superhero team for MUH DRAMA.

    • November 7, 2017 at 2:22 pmHaruhiToy

      She wants a world where children dont have to suffer like how she had to suffer.

    • November 8, 2017 at 4:10 amzalas

      Blames Jeanne for killing the kiddos despite the fact she is the one who landed some arrows to Jack and his master

      Atalanta a SHIT

    • November 8, 2017 at 4:10 amzalas

      Blames Jeanne for killing the kiddos despite the fact she is the one who landed some arrows to Jack and his master

      Atalanta a SHIT.

      • November 9, 2017 at 11:06 amjohngen

        Don’t say rude things about my cat dude.

  • November 6, 2017 at 10:56 pmPantsGoblin

    • November 6, 2017 at 11:02 pmhaseo0408

      Medea is demigoddess, she is the niece of Circe the goddess of witchcraft and magic and gradaugther of Helios the Sun God, her level of divinity might not be as high as Heracles but sure as hell she´s your normal sorceress, that should the elf ears.

      • November 10, 2017 at 1:29 pmZin5ki

        No it wouldn’t. That’s what the ears and tail are for. She isn’t turning into a boar anyway dumbass, she’s donning the pelt and gaining its properties.

    • November 6, 2017 at 11:16 pmgecko

      Study her development, we must pinpoint the stage at which a Len grows into a Medea.

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:57 amNeonGEvangelion

      Depends. What are elves good for?

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:07 amFai

      sees elf
      >says elves don’t exist


      • November 7, 2017 at 1:14 amkilljoythe

        The fae also exist in TM, that’s been known for decades.

      • November 8, 2017 at 6:56 pmL002

        I’m sorry, what?

      • November 9, 2017 at 2:25 amkilljoythe

        @L002 fae = elves

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:17 amL002

      I did not know there are no elves in the Type Moon universe, somewhat depressing since we have vampires, fairies, and dragons yet no elves. That means Santa Clause has no elves to help him. Meh.

      Thanks haseo0408 for sharing medea’s bloodline, I didn’t know she was a demigoddess which means Gilgamesh’s chains can easily restrain her. Have to admit, I guess Divinity gives one’s magecraft a boost. Divinity probably is another factor on why Medea can use Hecate’s Staff.

      Anyway, I think the animators made a mistake on Atalanta. Atalanta’s animal ears are after-effects of a curse told of in her legend. Unless those are really just hair meant to look like ears.

      BTW, fun fact, Atalanta hates Jason. Since Atalanta was good friends with Medea then I can understand why. I can guess that Atalanta also hates Aphrodite.

      • November 7, 2017 at 1:36 amDuelLadyS

        Probably has some kind of fairy or demi-human blood in her.

      • November 8, 2017 at 6:11 pmhaseo0408

        The crime he commited against Medea is just of many, many, many reasons Atalanta hates Jason´s guts, according to her Jason could never be consider a hero, he was a man whose only saving grace was his charm but it was also his greatest flaw, he could convince any person to join him in his adventure but a coward at heart that let everybody else do the dirty work and he would take the credit. The he discarded Medea after he found a better deal should tell you all you need to know about the bastard.

      • November 9, 2017 at 2:29 amfrouella

        The greeks suck at their job most of the time.

  • November 6, 2017 at 11:11 pmheedree

    The volume 5 presents one of the one of the best fights of the whole Type-Moon franchise, Sieg x Karna, the A-1 keep all their budget to animate it.
    We also have Sieg x Shirou Kotomine.

  • November 6, 2017 at 11:41 pmHalfDemonInuyasha

    • November 7, 2017 at 11:56 pmKonopan

      If Astolfo isn’t a girl then how come Jeanne got jealous?

      • November 8, 2017 at 2:28 amSpotlesseden

        Because Jeanne THINKS that he is a girl.

      • November 10, 2017 at 10:52 amLuminal

        but, Astofo is a waifu.

  • November 7, 2017 at 12:28 am3dB

    I would, however, like to clarify some doubts that the anime forgot to mention, but are in the LN.
    - Shirou Kotomine isn’t the true irregularity of the war, but Jack the Ripper.
    - Shirou Kotomine touched the Grail in Third War and he has obtained permanently the Ruler’s body, thus becoming a ordinary human being. He no longer have his Ruler skills because he was not summoned as Ruler to the current holy grail war.
    - Jack the Ripper isn’t a heroic spirit, but a evil spirit. The convening of Jack the Ripper was possible only thanks to the changes Darnic made to the Grail after stealing it.

  • November 7, 2017 at 12:50 amMagnus Tancred

    Reminds me of Re:Creators Magane’s “Part 1: End~” in Episode 10. :D

    Dat minimum effort evasion. :D

    Gilles de Rais, pre-Caster. :O

    it becomes pretty difficult to say whether Atalanta or Ruler had the correct train of thought when it came to dealing with Jack the Ripper.

    In the end, I’m with Jeanne on this one. I understand Atalanta’s point, but the children are long dead, what more could be done for them?

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:37 pmMorwenLaicoriel

      Jeanne immediately goes after Jack because Jack is nuts and is killing people.
      Jeanne makes absolutely no attempt to pursue Atalanta, who has now been driven mad and is screaming that she will murder everyone (一人残らず).

      • November 7, 2017 at 9:27 pmhaseo0408

        Going after Atalanta after such a draining battle with Jack would have been foolish, that and Sieg was in bad shape after seing Jack Reality Marble, the best choice was to retreat now that Jack is dead for real and reagroup tp fight in full another day.

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:13 pmRandall Miyashiro

      Jeanne didn’t look like she gave a fuck either way. Only thing on her mind is dragon dick.

  • November 7, 2017 at 1:23 amL002

    Ah, that feeling I get when I played the Fate/Grand order game, Okeanos.

    Saddest day for her. atalanta likely regrets killing Jack’s mommy.

    I wanted Jack to say “Now we will go to our mommy.” T_T

    • November 7, 2017 at 4:32 amMagnus Tancred

      atalanta likely regrets killing Jack’s mommy.

      Not in the novel. The battle’s a bit different there– while raining scalpels at Sieg and Ruler, Jack (being an amalgamation of spirits) also possesses some children and have them attack the two.

      Excerpt from Vol. 4:

      But—Assassin of Black had involved children.
      At that instant, Assassin and her Master became enemies to Archer of
      Red. The Master was especially unforgivable. Assassin was a child, but
      her Master was an adult—and she had allowed her Servant to involve

      • November 7, 2017 at 11:04 pmL002

        Mmm, I see, thank you so much sir, I need to know where to find and read the novel
        I am curious when did this scene occur in Red Archer’s life? Because archer hates children suffer then maybe this combing scene occurred before Medea killed her little brother. I don’t suppose those kids, we saw playing, one of the kids happens to be Medea’s little brother.

      • November 8, 2017 at 2:39 amAzathrael

        Atalanta retreats and kills no-one.

      • November 8, 2017 at 7:39 amMagnus Tancred


        I need to know where to find and read the novel

        I just googled “Fate Apocrypha novel translations” and got good results. :D

    • November 7, 2017 at 12:31 pmDragonsRevenge

      She turned into evil cat.

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:16 pmanimechan

      Why does the Cat wish to save all children? Does that have something to do with her legend?

      • November 7, 2017 at 2:09 pmthe_silent_child

        Evil Cat is worst girl

      • November 10, 2017 at 12:10 pmomnistry

        That’s the “real” Astolfo’s character in a nutshell. She was supposed to be a dumbass klutz who became a hero on his sheer luck and wits.

    • November 7, 2017 at 2:19 pmNosferatu21

      Cat was abandoned as a baby in a mountain simply because she was a girl. There were multiple babies along with her on the mountain and most of them starved to death

    • November 7, 2017 at 3:06 pmWestlo

      dumb cat. will Artemis ever get her “own” unit in mobage? and will orion get a not bear unit?

    • November 7, 2017 at 3:16 pmBlood

      I like how no one chose to ask about or point out the oozing darkness from Atalanta’s arm.

      • November 7, 2017 at 5:13 pmgecko

        Infected with DARKNESS

      • November 8, 2017 at 9:41 amultimatemegax

        The anime didn’t show it but she has absorbed some of the curse of the children as she doesn’t want them to perish

    • November 8, 2017 at 2:53 amWrangler

      • November 10, 2017 at 11:29 amSir_Brass

        Fuck ‘um. Being innocent doesn’t save you from being broken. Resentment had already taken to them regardless of what they were like before.

  • November 7, 2017 at 1:34 amdeepon05

    • November 7, 2017 at 1:01 pmURGH

      In the bog they go.

    • November 8, 2017 at 12:41 amJaffaOrange

      Jeanne changed her flag to “god hates all traps”

  • November 7, 2017 at 8:34 amJohnPeacekeeper

    When I see Medea like that. it makes me sad…

    That I never actually get to kick Jason’s ass in FGO for scarring my waifu (esp. mature classic version)

    • November 8, 2017 at 6:35 amTwilightmastern

      Is Fou the greatest example of hack-fraudery in fiction?

      • November 8, 2017 at 7:11 amd.yaro

        yes, turn one of the most mysterious, powerful and most speculated about entities in your fictional universe into a dumb mascot character in its first ever actual appearance (a shitty phone game)

    • November 10, 2017 at 11:10 amAnimefreak

      GO is the worst part of Fate.

  • November 7, 2017 at 12:12 pmYanDaMan

    Sieg isnt human, human rules dont apply to him, therefore, polygamy is totally feasible :3

  • November 7, 2017 at 3:50 pmFai

    Newtype – December 2017 Character Ranking
    Male Ranking
    1 Archer (Fate/stay night: Heaven’s Feel)
    2 Shirou Emiya (Fate/Stay Night: Heaven’s Feel)
    3 Kirito (Sword Art Online)
    4 Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)
    5 Gilgamesh (Fate/Stay Night: Heaven’s Feel)
    6 Sieg (Fate/Apocrypha)

    Female Ranking
    1 Sakura Matou (Fate/stay night: Heaven’s Feel)
    2 Saber (Fate/stay night: Heaven’s Feel)
    3 Jeanne d’Arc (Fate/Apocrypha)
    4 Serval (Kemono Friends)
    5 Rem (Re:Zero)

  • November 7, 2017 at 7:36 pmKirkdawg

    When is Sieg gonna give the strong and thick dragon dick to Jeanne and Astolfo?

  • November 7, 2017 at 7:54 pmDarksorrow29

    In a few episodes.

    • November 7, 2017 at 11:37 pmKirkdawg

      I mean i’m pretty sure she needs to go change after the latest episode. She was spilling out without saying anything then Archer shows up. And Astolfo………

  • November 8, 2017 at 4:05 amBusaiku Chama

    I have no wish to do something what is described by ‘anything’.

    • November 8, 2017 at 4:11 amfrouella

      How do you deal with the fact that you did not live in 19th century London when you could have literally done anything and gotten away with it.

      • November 8, 2017 at 4:26 amMindless

        Just be brown or rich and you can do that in modern day London going by all their pedophile trafficking gangs or all the rich parliament members caught buying them.

      • November 9, 2017 at 11:09 amPinkwings

        This is only funny in theory. God that shit burns me up. If you know it’s happening, if you know where, do something English. To do nothing is to give permission. You’re all accessories and facilitators.

  • November 8, 2017 at 6:54 amtheirs

    As someone mentioned above, what’s up with Atlanta’s arm?
    Does it have something to do with what the kids did to her at the start of the episode?

    • November 8, 2017 at 7:22 am7jaws7

      No,it’s a curse.

    • November 8, 2017 at 9:39 amultimatemegax

      The anime didn’t show it but she has absorbed some of the curse of the children as she doesn’t want them to perish.

      • November 9, 2017 at 5:18 pmhaseo0408

        Considering what the other Noble Phantasm of Atalanta does this is a very bad development for both factions…

    • November 9, 2017 at 11:01 amBata-kun

      Atlanta’s neutral evil.

      • November 9, 2017 at 8:00 pmhaseo0408

        Wait until you see her final Noble Phantasm, I mean it, the fact she use such a thing could put her in the Berseker Class with no problems.

      • November 10, 2017 at 11:23 amJoshuaStChristopher

        Primate Murder will reveal his true form when his true mistress Altrouge Dumbledore shows up and kicks the everloving shit out of Speedwagon for stealing her doggy.

  • November 9, 2017 at 2:02 pmFuck Takaii

    Fate/Apocrypha Episode 19 Preview

  • November 10, 2017 at 1:36 pmPBsallad

  • November 12, 2017 at 6:15 pmAzrael

    I’m really curious as to why Jack said she felt sorry for Jeanne as she was disappearing at the end of the episode. Am I missing something cuz all Jeanne does at the end is say a prayer.

    • November 12, 2017 at 10:11 pmNagi

      Because Jeanne is in love with Sieg, but she herself doesn’t know because she doesn’t know anything about love”.

      Astolfo says something similar in episode 19 episode too.