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「許されざる者」 (Yurusarezaru Mono)
“Unforgiven Ones”

At first glance, this was the most straightforward and unambiguous episode in recent weeks. However, a closer look at some of the implications reveals that we’re really no closer to understanding what’s going on than we started. Questions continue to prop up, most of which surround Tabuki Keiju, who was reasonably forgiving of the Takakura siblings when talking to Yuri, yet pulled a 180 at the very end by setting his eyes on Himari.

I have no idea if he merely wanted to spare Yuri from the “dirty work” in their plan, but he does seem drawn to fate in his own way and didn’t simply have a change of heart after talking to her. If Keiju really has the same goal in mind, it’s probably safe to assume that he’s trying to bring Momoka back to this world using the diary. The question is, what does punishing Kanba, Shouma, and Himari get him? He doesn’t seem to share the same misdirected hate as Yuri, plus the Takakuras don’t have the other half of the diary, leaving “revenge” as the only motive that comes to mind. The episode title definitely suggests that it could be as simple as that, but I get the feeling there’s more to it after seeing Keiju use such a roundabout approach. Yuri I can see lashing out solely for revenge, since she made it very clear that she harbors a grudge. Keiju, not so much.

The other ongoing question pertains to the penguin drum itself. While it was nice to hear “Rock Over Japan” two weeks in a row, “Himari” continues to be coy about its true identity, only hinting that it lies with Kanba. (Shouma clearly isn’t needed.) One theory I have is that the diary is but a mere object to pit everyone in a life or death struggle, and the penguin drum embodies their fight against fate and desire to change it. One only obtains the “penguin drum” when they succeed in changing their loved one’s fate. It’s not a very concrete idea, but it does fit the notion that everyone’s unknowingly taking part in a cruel game that Sanetoshi is overseeing, where there will be a sole victor who’s allowed to reshape the world to their own “truth”. Their “truth” would likely include the people whom they want to be alive and none of the people whom they don’t — kind of like a zero-sum game. In order to regain what one’s lost, someone else has to suffer, which is sort of what we’re seeing now with “Himari’s” warning to Kanba and Shouma about how they’re going to lose big if they simply neglect the penguin drum.

As of late, the only straightforward portion of that plot are the constant projectile-filled encounters between Yuri and Masako. Seeing them continue to fight over the two halves of the diary is about the only thing that doesn’t continue to raise new questions, so I’m actually grateful that the story’s dumbed down when it comes to those two. I also prefer to see them bumping heads over messing around with Ringo and Kanba, since they’re a perfect match for one another — insults and all. Hopefully that paves way for more backstory on Tabuki next time, as I’d love to hear what his “fated take” on his scarred hand is. I can picture him getting his hand jammed in a train door while trying to rescue Momoka, but what I’d really like to see is a flashback that shows the Momoka tried to stop the Takakura’s Sarin gas attack.

* It may have been goofy-looking, but those penguins hacked up live octopuses like it was some gruesome execution. It’s not so pleasant when I imagine the real thing. I do love takoyaki though.
* I gather it’s only a matter of time before Kanba gets it on with Himari if she keeps stripping in front of him.
* I’ve joked in IRC about how the penguin hat will be a fetish in bedrooms before long, but there’s also a decent-looking cosplay outfit out there for those who want the “complete experience”.
* Full-length image: 25.


Preview & End Card

November 4, 2011 at 12:55 am
  • November 4, 2011 at 1:02 amFencedude

    This certainly was…something, wasn’t it?

    I hope we get to see more of Yuri and Masako’s fight, I want Yuri to win, but only by a little bit.

    It is worth noting that for all Yuri plans and fantasizes about things (raping Ringo, killing Himari), she’s notably bad at actually following through on them.

    Tabuki’s angle is still unknown. As for Sanetoshi, I feel that Himari not taking the medicine is probably not a bad idea…

    • November 4, 2011 at 2:43 amrevolution everlution that’s me

      How is she bad? We saw in the opening two or three episodes ago that Ringo WANTED her to go through with it. The only reason she didn’t is because Shouma stumbled in on them. Plus, she was arranging a second night of sex with Ringo this episode. As for killing Himari, not enough time has passed for her to do anything.

      • November 4, 2011 at 2:57 amFencedude

        Huh? Raping Ringo would be bad, but I didn’t say that Yuri was bad. Yuri’s probably the most damaged character in the show (pending information about Tabuki, but his past would have to be a real doozy to beat Yuri’s), but she’s not been shown to actually go through with anything particularly terrible. Unlike Masako who did wipe the memories of at least four girls, that we know of.

        I do agree that Yuri would be more than happy to sleep with Ringo, but I’m assuming she’d actually wait for consent this time.

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:11 amScruffy

        You’re reading way too much into Ringo’s response to Yuri’s second invitation for a ‘girls-nite’. Ringo gave a very Japanese response, in that she gave a very un-enthusiastic yes. Japanese hate to say no so they will say ‘sorta-yes’ which means no.

        However, accepting her invitation for dinner was kinda odd.

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:22 amScruffy

        Actually in reference to that here’s the relevant line from the novel

        Show Spoiler ▼

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:31 amrevolution everlution that’s me

        Scruffy, by “Ringo wanted to do it” I meant she told Shouma over the phone she was about to do things he “couldn’t even dream of.” She was wide awake when Yuri was about to touch her. That’s why I said two or three episodes ago.

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:51 amScruffy

        It’s clear from the novel that Ringo has no memory at all of the events that occurred after she had the spiked drink.

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:57 amrevolution everlution that’s me

        I see. Two points against that. One, I don’t know if Ikuhara decided to go with the novel’s idea on that. A lot of things in the Utena manga were very different from the anime. Two, it would be strange for Ringo to know what was happening during the act (when she called Shouma) only to forget it later. I don’t think spiked drinks work like that. It would take her blocking the memory out of her own mind, wouldn’t it?

      • November 4, 2011 at 6:05 amScruffy

        The chapter that relates to Ep 17 is almost word for word. Its very interesting in that you get to hear what the characters are thinking, particularly Ringo. In reference to how date-rape drugs work, about the only thing I know (having no experience in them of course!) is that they effect your judgement and memory.

        If you want to check out the relevant chapter of the book it’s here . The person who is translating them is Good Haro

      • November 6, 2011 at 5:09 amMinnako

        That spiking someone’s drink and then attempting sex whilst their defenses are down constitutes rape isn’t in debate legally. And it’s known that the drugs preferred can have varied, complex effects, not just merely passing out – they can be sedative, hypnotic, dissociative (including loosening inhibitions – just think of alcohol alone) and amnesiac.

        Yes, Ringo talked to Shouma on the phone (in what I thought was a rather fatalistic way – she certainly didn’t seem like she was looking forward to a lovely bit of fun!), but as we can see, she wasn’t exactly using her hands. It was probably a ruse by Yuri to tease Shouma, a way for Ikuhara to show that Shouma cared enough about Ringo to rush over and stop her from doing something he thinks she would regret, and give a reason for Yuri to hesitate and change her mind. And since Ringo passes out not long afterwards and doesn’t remember what happened, I’d be hard pressed to say a young girl spiked and bound by someone she didn’t seem to contemplate sex with before, and minutes away from passing out from the drugs, was in a state of mind capable of consenting to sex.

        Besides, if Ikuhara wanted to portray the sex as consensual Yuri wanted to have consensual sex, why drug the drink in the first place? Without wanting to have an unpleasant debate on what constitutes rape, I think it safe to say that anything that differs from the typical scenario of date rape in this fictional representation, is there to further the plot, rather than invalidate the idea that Yuri would be willing to rape.

  • November 4, 2011 at 1:36 amHrmmmm

    Like Divine said, the ‘Penguindrum’ is most probably a metaphorical goal, something intangible. I’ve got a feeling that the ‘Penguidrum’ that they have to obtain is in fact their own fate. It could be compared to the Holy Grail in Fate/Zero as an object which ensures their survival or wish.

    • November 4, 2011 at 1:57 amHrmmmm

      An extension of this theory could suggest that the plot lines (symbolised by the rail tracks in the eye catches) of all the characters are in a state of flux.

      Ep9 “The answers probably lie at the destination of fate”
      Ep13 “I want to find out whether the concept of fate exists in this world”

      This could all be a faux world that Sanetoshi made up just to play his game. That bastard.

    • November 4, 2011 at 5:33 amDr. Sanetantei

      Lol, poor buddy. I don’t think this show is for the likes of you.

    • November 5, 2011 at 6:56 amBass.EXE

      It could just be a MacGuffin, too, and we never actually find out. Wouldn’t that be something?

  • November 4, 2011 at 1:36 amjames

    It definitely is interesting seeing people expressing their own interpretation of what is “right” or in this case it’s labeled “truth.” I guess that’s what Satenoshi was referring to when he said not all truth is reality? Not everyone’s desires can be fulfilled. I can’t help but feel sorry for every single character in some way (Himari the most though!). I hope there will be a legitimate ending for this series, and not just another convenient deus ex machina

    • November 4, 2011 at 1:37 amjames

      also, himari is freaking cute in this episode hahah

  • November 4, 2011 at 1:58 amsynkronized

    ” I gather it’s only a matter of time before Kanba gets it on with Himari if she keeps stripping in front of him.”

    I figured those two were already busy trying to add another sibling to the Takakura family.

  • November 4, 2011 at 2:29 amrevolution everlution that’s me

    That preview image of the Yuri’s husband sitting on a little girl’s lap is disturbing. I’m sure it ties into the image of him kissing the little girl’s feet in the OP. But what does it mean? I’m guessing he’s not a pedophile.

    • November 4, 2011 at 3:16 amBlue

      I think it’s safe to assume the little girl in both cases is Momoka,thus tying into his obsession with Momoka,not necessarily pedophilia.

      • November 4, 2011 at 3:36 amrevolution everlution that’s me

        Right, but I was thinking why little girl Momoka? Yuri said she’s still alive, so she’s an adult by now. Maybe Tabuki can’t forget her as a child.

      • November 4, 2011 at 3:39 amFencedude

        Err…because they only know her as a little girl. Also Tabuki may or may not agree with Yuri’s assertion that Momoka is still alive.

      • November 4, 2011 at 3:46 amrevolution everlution that’s me

        These images are too striking for it to be that simple. Also, if that was it, Tabuki and Momoka would both show up as children.

      • November 4, 2011 at 4:19 amJared

        No, it only seems striking to you because of your over-the-top sensitivity to the subject matter.

      • November 4, 2011 at 4:26 amrevolution everlution that’s me

        Tabuki has his chest bared in that image, and Momoka is removing his glasses. It’s an erotic image, which anyone who doesn’t have a low I.Q. can see. I do think it has an important meaning for who Tabuki is. A lot was revealed about him in this episode, actually. We know now that he isn’t a dope who Yuri strings around. They’re working together.

      • November 4, 2011 at 5:00 amFencedude

        Yes, Tabuki is obsessed with Momoka. Just like Yuri is.

        Would we be having this same discussion if Yuri was in a similar pose?

      • November 4, 2011 at 9:18 pmAni_BEE

        I get the impression that Tabuki would alway be search for Momoka in the woman he dated and falls short. It not that he is a pedophilia but everything he does is for Momoka to the point of worshiping her and idolizing everything she did in her actions. He is searching for a woman that never grew up.

      • November 6, 2011 at 5:12 amMinnako

        I find it quite sad that both Yuri and Tabuki never got over Momoka enough to form new relationships – that their current one with each other, which at first looked genuine, is really more of a pact to obsess over the no-longer-around Momoka who they were both deeply besotted with when kids. It kind of shows that they haven’t really grown up at all, not when it comes to coming to term with grief. How old would we say they were when Momoka disappeared/died?

      • November 7, 2011 at 1:58 pmAni_BEE

        If I got my math right they were 9 to 10 years old Tabuki is 26 in the show … already married. T-T

        Momoka Oginome was 10 when she died.

      • November 7, 2011 at 4:18 pmMinnako

        Do we know that from the novel, or is this an educated guess? It looks about right, but then again how age is represented varies from series to series. Given the kinds of hints that were thrown around, I certainly hope she wasn’t much younger…

    • November 4, 2011 at 2:03 pmDivine

      That’s not a preview image. It’s just the end card, so it doesn’t necessarily reflect what’s actually going to happen in the show.

    • November 4, 2011 at 4:01 pmHisoka

      Again, the preview cards are done by Lily Hoshino. She’s a BL mangaka whose uke usually look like ten-year old girls, making a lot of her work look like shota. Ties in with the mature themes of the series but really it’s also the artist’s aesthetic. Most of these preview cards have been implicitly erotic BTW.

    • November 4, 2011 at 5:33 pmDivine

      To add to the above: Hoshino Lily is the character designer for this series. She’s not the writer.

    • November 6, 2011 at 9:50 amMinnako

      Perhaps we’re meant to find the contrast between the little girl Momoka in the eyecatch, and the fully grown, sexualised Tabuki disturbing. After all, Yuri and Tabuki are literally still obsessively in love with someone who died when she (and they) are kids. Not that they’re literally running after kids these days (though Yuri’s not far off…) but like Ani_BEE rather eloquently said: whilst they’ve matured and become adults with all that entails, they’re ‘searching for a woman that never grew up’. One can imagine that to be a very complicated emotion indeed…

  • November 4, 2011 at 4:21 amRedskins

    MOST of the characters are clearly Utena counterparts. Maybe all of them are, but I can’t figure them out. So far I have:

    Ringo = Shiori, Himari = Utena, Sanetoshi = Mikage, Kanba = Touga, Shouma = Miki, Mario = Mamiya, Masako = Juri.

    What about Tabuki, Yuri, and Ringo?

    • November 4, 2011 at 4:21 amRedskins

      D’oh. By Ringo in the last sentence, I mean Momoka.

      • November 4, 2011 at 7:38 amKosmos

        I think Momoka is kind of like Anthy. They’re both very important to the plot, yet very mysterious. I haven’t seen Utena in a while, so correct me if I’m wrong :P

    • November 4, 2011 at 7:15 amgod

      i get Akio vibes from Sanetoshi… he seems like a mastermind

      • November 4, 2011 at 8:00 amKrahftwohrk

        You mean a monster. It’s true, because he’s a monster, Mikage is very similar to Akio. But that’s only after Mikage was pushed to the breaking point.

      • November 4, 2011 at 9:01 pmAni_BEE

        I think Tabuki is going the way of Mikage … serious it’s always the unassuming one’s that go postal in the end. I’m still waiting for the Tabuki bomb to go off.

    • November 5, 2011 at 9:48 amHisoka

      I’ll play. Yuri’s got a little of Nanami in the beginning of the series, Shiori in the middle, but she’s also the Chairman’s daughter Kanae as Tabuki becomes more Akio-like.

      Sanetoshi’s only Mikage if it turns out he’s being played.

      Momoka is Dios.

      If you think Mario = Mamiya, do you think he’s an illusion?

      • November 6, 2011 at 5:51 amRedskins

        Interesting comments! Perhaps Yuri really is Kanae. I think Momoka can’t be Dios. You can tell what a lively and real person she is, instead of just Akio’s prince persona. Mikage is definitely Sanetoshi, and Mamiya was never an illusion, since Tokiko talked to Akio about him. It’s just that Anthy replaced him in Mikage’s consciousness for a little while.

  • November 4, 2011 at 4:29 amRuh roh

    BRB, putting a drill through my harddrive after clicking on the TabukixMomoka end card.

    • November 4, 2011 at 4:59 amFencedude

      That doesn’t even make goddamn sense.

      • November 4, 2011 at 2:20 pmJack

        He’s implying that the image is cached on his HDD and will be evidence when the FBI raids his house for CP, thus drilling his HDD to completely destroy the data.

      • November 4, 2011 at 2:59 pmFencedude

        Which is dumb, for any number of reasons. It doesn’t even make a very good joke.

  • November 4, 2011 at 5:52 amSeizon Seiju-kun

    “At first glance, this was the most straightforward and unambiguous episode in recent weeks. However, a closer look at some of the implications reveals that we’re really no closer to understanding what’s going on than we started.”

    Maybe you meant to say this, but I think that’s part of the point. The anime is just like real life. Everything, everything has loose ends.

  • November 4, 2011 at 6:01 amSeizon Seiju-kun

    Sorry for the double post, but I thought it was weird the dinner scene was cut out of the episode. What did Yuri say to Himari? It must have had plot relevance.

    • November 4, 2011 at 6:12 amScruffy

      The dinner scene wasn’t cut out .. it didn’t happen. Yuri was too busy having her battle and Tabuki got hold of them first.

  • November 4, 2011 at 6:03 amZashiki Warashi

    • November 4, 2011 at 9:03 pmAni_BEE

      The background (seafoam green) or the blue/grey cast on her white dress?

  • November 4, 2011 at 7:19 amjrj

    is it just me or the turtle symbol on the back of the diary raise some questions? considering the rest of the symbols are mostly penguins?
    the two bunny/assistance already talked about punishment… so I guess things might turn uglier from here on…
    and please, more “battle” between “fabulous” and “crush” are always good :)

    • November 4, 2011 at 7:38 amhurin

      The turtle is a sea turtle, so I think the symbol simply means the diary was bought at the same souvenir shop at the aquarium as the penguin hat.

    • November 4, 2011 at 9:00 amSon Gohan

      The imagery on the diary remands to the legend of Urashima Taro. The front cover depicts the Palace of the Dragon King, the back cover depicts the turtle that Taro saved.

      • November 4, 2011 at 3:25 pmTim

        It’s true. Looking at the designs now, it does appear it could be in reference to the Taro story. However, I wonder if it’s in reference to what might have happened to Momoka?

  • November 4, 2011 at 7:39 amdeafvader

    @Divine: how do you know they have not “gotten it on yet”?

    • November 4, 2011 at 8:03 amStuff

      The novel makes it clear that it was just a naked hug

  • November 4, 2011 at 8:59 amShibireru

    “I also prefer to see them bumping heads over messing around with Ringo and Kanba, since they’re a perfect match for one another — insults and all.”

    Is it not supposed to be Shouma instead of Kanba?

    • November 4, 2011 at 3:17 pmDivine

      Nope, I meant Kanba. Yuri messes with Ringo, Masako with Kanba — that’s what I meant.

  • November 4, 2011 at 10:09 amRichfeet

    You know, if that octopus was alive, that screen with the two penguins would be so creepy.

    • November 4, 2011 at 11:04 amShibireru

      It was alive………. :(

      • November 4, 2011 at 3:00 pmRichfeet

        Grrrr!!! Those octopus hating freaks!!!! Lemme at ‘em!!!!!! I’ll avenge you Tako San!!!! Your days are numbered penguin scum!!!

    • November 4, 2011 at 3:54 pmDivine

      Yeah, it was definitely alive. One of the penguins was holding its mouth to prevent it from “screaming”.

    • November 4, 2011 at 6:54 pmSaya

      I’ve seen live octopuses being cut in a variety show. Definitely not as pleasant when you don’t have cute penguins to distract you.

  • November 4, 2011 at 11:58 amKentaiyoshimi

    Am I the only one who was completely distracted by the penguins and octopi this episode. I literally had to rewatch the episode because I was too busy laughing at what the penguins were up to the 1st time around. Those penguins really know their food; I believe raw octopi tentacles are a delicacy in Korea. Those things never fail to amuse me.

    This episode didn’t have too much of a WHAM factor, but it definitely increases my anticipation for the next ep, especially with Tabuki playing a more prominent role in the plot.

    • November 4, 2011 at 3:10 pmRichfeet

      However that looks like a mafia interrogation or something.

      Penguin 1: Hold him down!! Okay, gonna tell us where the stuff is?
      Octopus: mmmph mmmpf!!!!
      Penguin 1: Wrong answer! (chop)
      Octopus: mmmmfeowsddsd!!!!!!!
      Penguin Add him to the mixer!!!
      Octopus: mnononnooo!!!!

    • November 6, 2011 at 12:35 amewok40k

      exactly the same… I feel so wrong for failing to follow the plot just to watch penguins vs octopus – tentacle rape vs knife hacking – oh and repeating crossbow vs gatling gun (again Sergio Leone tribute…)
      oh and did the elevator to the top of the world at end of episode remind you of something?

  • November 4, 2011 at 1:50 pmInstantNoodles

    The octopus killing disturbed me to no end. It went from a live octopus directly to a meatball.

    I used to watch my grandma butcher chickens and be fine. And I do love my food freshly picked and slaughtered, but this is a bit too fresh for me.

    • November 4, 2011 at 4:06 pmHisoka

      Don’t watch Oldboy.

      • November 4, 2011 at 7:49 pmBROOKLYN otaku

        hahahahaha, but i can’t front, i would try that at least ONCE…

      • November 6, 2011 at 6:16 pmgod

        I was about to write the same thing. XD

  • November 4, 2011 at 4:08 pmHisoka

    Those “bunny” boys really annoy me.

    • November 4, 2011 at 9:09 pmAni_BEE

      There the Shadow Girls from Utena alright! But yes their “gossip” is quite annoying.

    • November 6, 2011 at 9:34 amMinnako

      I always thought they were like a Greek Chorus, important in adding to the effect of a story and not really part of it, but that doesn’t make them any less annoying… especially with imminent punishment coming on.

      Also, Sanetoshi lives in the Dr’s office? And nobody’s noticed he’s set up camp there with a couple of rabbits? Or can no-one see him? Someone like him rather sticks out at a hospital!

  • November 4, 2011 at 9:03 pmYuumei

    “I can picture him getting his hand jammed in a train door while trying to rescue Momoka,”
    But in episode 12, he couldn’t even get into the subway…

    Did anyone notice the animation was kind of weird in this episode? Like when they were in the fabric shop, Ringo and Himari seemed pretty stiff when they did close ups. But then it was good in the rest of the episode…

    • November 5, 2011 at 12:22 amJoanna

      … Kanba and Shouma also looked a bit off-model in the scene prior to that, I thought.

      • November 5, 2011 at 9:49 amHisoka

        Complete agreement.

      • November 7, 2011 at 4:14 pmMinnako

        Maybe they saved a slice of the budget for the next episode? *makes face of anticipation*

    • November 9, 2011 at 2:05 pmDivine

      From what we were shown yes, but I imagine more things happened after that.

  • November 5, 2011 at 10:26 amLuxorcist

  • November 6, 2011 at 9:29 amMinnako

    Am I the only one wondering who Himari’s true love in the Kiddy Broiler is? On first glance, it could be Mario, but isn’t he rather young? Then again the flashbacks in ep 16 where he doesn’t look much younger than Masako, so maybe he’s just young/frail looking for his age? Then for a second I thought broiler-boy could be Tabuki (the hairstyle kinda matches his, and he was also there at some point) – maybe that was Momoka’s memory? (TabukiXHimari is too disturbing for words considering ep 17). And what if it was Sanetoshi? Ikuhara reeeally keeps us guessing, doesn’t he?

    The penguins are both the best and worst thing about the series – hopelessly distracting (especially in the Ringo and Shouma conversation…penguin fart rocket WTF?!?) but at the same time so hilarious that you can’t help but love them being there. I guess it’s true to life that regardless of what’s going on in human lives, animals will be, well, animals, and continue on with their shenanigans regardless!

    I’m at a loss as to how to recommend this series: simultaneously both disturbing at times and so funny – to relative laypeople and casual anime-watchers, without coming off as a freak…

    • November 6, 2011 at 10:20 amPokey

      Well, it’s certainly not for casual watchers. I wouldn’t recommend it to them!

      • November 7, 2011 at 4:13 pmMinnako

        I meant casual more in the sense of ‘doesn’t keep up with new anime regularly and tends to pick up stuff friends recommend’ than ‘sees anime as light fluffy cartoons to dip into’ -
        most of the ‘casual’ watchers I know are capable of having discussions about these kinds of themes in their novels/films/etc so this kind of anime probably wouldn’t faze them. Not like, say recommending it for your mum (though since mine forced me to read/sit through ‘The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo’, ironically I’d recommend it to her… if she watched anime). Problem is, if you watch a lot of ‘dark’ shows as standard, pretty soon your definition of ‘dark’ really has shifted far from your average person’s. I think laypeople are probably a bit more apt to expect anime to be more innocent (since they resemble cartoons) whereas they sit through similar kinds of themes in their films without batting an eyelid…

  • November 7, 2011 at 7:16 pmsealouse

    Man these characters even considering doing something to cute little Himari is really disturbing. I’m also wondering if it gets to that how she’ll react to real danger. she’s kind of been oblivious to everything that’s been going on around her so far hasn’t she?

    • November 8, 2011 at 5:56 amShibireru

      Lol. No, in fact she’s the only character on the show (aside from Sanetoshi) who understands anything that’s happening.

      • November 9, 2011 at 3:21 pmsealouse

        Are you talking about the hat version or the regular version?

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