First Impressions / Kakumeiki Valvrave

「歌う咲森学園」 (Utau Sakimori Gakuen)
“The Sakimori Academy Sings”

Just when you thought you have Kakumeiki Valvrave figured out, the show introduced a completely different gear and cranked up the eccentricity to a whole new level! The independence campaign of Sakimori Academy was never going to pan out well and when you give a bunch of teenagers the authority to run a country, madness and tumult were almost certain to ensue! It was a miracle that the kids managed to survive the week without killing each other, but things started to spiral out of control when an error in the environmental system plunged the entire Module 77 into a cold winter. Sure enough, the glittering facade of so-called “Neverland” began to falter as reality set in, and it was only a matter of time before the state of uncertainty brought out the malice and nastiness of the human nature in its ugliest form – at least as far as a high school drama is concerned.

The queen of bitch, Ninomiya Takahi (Kotobuki Minako) was at the forefront of the anarchy and true to form, Shouko was an easy target for the prima donna’s deviltry – after all, it was Sashinami-san’s bright idea that led to their sudden declaration of independence! There was certainly no lack of female cattiness in this scuffle, and it was a frenetic display of character interaction that featured the most horrid side of teenage drama – hair-pulling, finger-pointing and face-slapping, just to name a few. In the midst of such a chaotic atmosphere, Saki’s take-no-prisoners approach were never more welcome than this week and her straight-faced common sense – albeit from her skewed perspective – blew through the room like a breath of fresh air. It has been vaguely hinted at that Saki has been the subject of bullying in her previous school and while she does project certain self-awareness, her take-no-bullshit mindset is an attribute that made her especially stand out in a pool of one-note characters – if you slap her, she slaps you back and perhaps even harder! But make no mistake about it – that’s not all there is to Saki and what makes her even more amazing is the spectacular musical number that she delivered in this episode. I confess – I’m a huge fan of idol performances and Tomatsu Haruka’s rendition of the adolescent power pop song, “Good luck for you” reduced me to nothing more than a gushing smitten fanboy. Her superb performance tied the episode together on a lively and upbeat note – as the weather system of the module returned to normal – and if I needed any more convincing to decide who my favorite girl is, Saki has, no question, just sealed the deal with her mini concert that is more than splendid.

As wonderful as all that hyperbole of bizarreness was, there’s a larger question looming over the makeup of the Valvrave – just what exactly are they and where did they come from? It shouldn’t really come as a surprise that there exists an entire series of mecha which are similar to the Red Valvrave – in all colors of rainbow, as Saki candidly pointed out – and such a revelation will undoubtedly sway the tide of war one way or another. The fact that L-elf is in the know simply complicates the matter further and I have a certain suspicion that either Saki or the prodigious Dorssian soldier will emerge as the new pilot of the almighty mecha next week. The physics teacher, Kibukawa Takumi (Hatano Wataru) probably knows more than he’s letting on, and his monologues suggest that the mecha could very well be of an alien origin – that’s hardly a bombshell, especially when you consider the fact that the machines are indeed sentient. Then there’s also the mystery surrounding a certain Tokishima-sensei – whom I suspect is somehow related to Haruto – and how that person fits into the bigger picture is something that will surely demand our attention as the pieces of the puzzles fit together.

Random tidbits:

  • I assumed that’s Haruto’s first kiss. Saki is pretty sneaky!
  • That’s the second slap that Saki has unleashed in a mere five episodes. You show that bitch, Saki!
  • It seems like Takahi ojou-sama likes to take it from behind.
  • The pink-hair maiden who is featured prominently in both the OP and ED finally made an appearance.
  • There’s something particularly sexy about see-through tops! I could be wrong but it seems like Shouko’s cup size might be superior to Saki’s.
  • Don’t lay waste to those perfectly good cup noodles, damn it!
  • Harajuku graffiti in Valvrave! Why is she always bare-assed?
  • Is this sex? Nope, that’s just foreplay!

tl;dr: @SeishunRC – #Valvrave 05: Musical number & bitch-slapping all in one place! Saki could be the next Valvrave pilot? #Anime

264 Comments

      1. Depends:
        – if he accepts her, it is a death flag for Saki
        – if he rejects her, it is death flag for Shouko

        Doubt he will accept her however. He loves Shouko far too much.

        Nayrael
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      2. lol dearh flag ? you cleary miss code geass well it could take gundam route but sorry Haruto will end up with Saki ,first kisss + shared secret nailed it all. that is why lelouch stay with CC this show remind me of it (i don’t say that personality are alike but you can decipher my code futher in the show. still if that vampire gold hair is real(alive and kicking) well haruto will probably end up with her unless she don’t really care. Saki have CC role(bad girl) Shoko have (female susaku role/Karen), L-elf have lelouch mind and suzaku physic, Ricellote nailed Nunnally role aka L-elf love lolicon interest. Bloddie naid evil Euphemia with bitchy attitude, one eye guy is orange. this can’t be unseen

        pokpok
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      3. I’m with Polpok, with all those delicious secrets you can’t die. Shouko has that “pure” vibe going on like Shirely in CG. And we all know what happened to her xD

        Didn’t think my first comment would have 14 likes o.o

        shamaticgrl
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      5. He might love Shouko, but that was all before that kiss!!! Who could resist a girl like that after that major life changing event?!. The wind at our favor comrades of the Saki Ship! Load the cannons and prepare to sink the Shouko ship to the bottom of the abyss!!!.

        haseo0408
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      6. Everything after that kiss will lead to Saki Shipping :3 Whatever Shouko does now will only fail. Even if she strips it’s a great fanservice but Saki Ship is sturdy enough to breeze through that and win Haruto’s heart. I mean, WHO CAN RESIST THAT CUTE DANCE AND SMILE/WINK! *nosebleed*

        shamaticgrl
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  2. I love reading your posts Seishun! Cause they don’t contain useless hateful stuff I see everywhere and actually talk about the story.

    I was cheering when the Bitch Queen got bitch-slapped. I thought that the Valvrave could transform at first but apaprently there’s a whole family of them! Looking forward to next week~

    WildKaiser
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      2. Idk, if anyone could jump in one and pilot one why hasn’t L-Elf just hopped in and turned himself into a unkillable vampire too? Being able to take over bodies and be immune to bullets would really help your revolution.

        sortedevaras
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    3. Maybe Haruto will pilot them all. Maybe there’s only one core, and you have to swap the core to use the other mechas.
      Or maybe you can exchange modules from the others, like lego or something…that’s how I see it according to the ED.

      livid
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  4. And from this episode I’m HarutoxSaki shipper ♥ ( sorry Shouko, you should took opportunity, while you had a chance. I just hope that Haruto won’t be cold towards Shouko like previous time, when he rejected her hug… )
    Can’t wait for next episode, because from preview it looks like Saki will take over Haruto’s body and will tease Shouko, while being him. Let’s hope that not all main characters will have their own Valvrave ;/

    Shirocat
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    3. I have no idea why people are still clinging to the fact that they aren’t different Valvraves. You can clearly see the arms and legs at the end of the episode, and magazine scans already confirmed it.

      Altritter
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    5. So the “different units” theory is ceremoniously chuck out the window huh? Well having one mech with multiple forms just solidify even more Valvrave’s worth in Arus-Dorssia conflict.

      The Moondoggie
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  13. At first I was rather bummed that they unkilled Shouko, it was a rather poignant way to get the MC in gear. But damned if that girl isn’t growing on me. She’s seriously undeniably cute. She’s the humanity of the show right now, now I’m hoping she doesn’t actually die in the end.

    Haruko seriously needs to hop on that.

    Tikal
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  14. This has nothing to do with the show itself, but that was probably the best placed timing for an earthquake warning ever.

    Back on topic now. If Valvrave 1 is broken as all get out, just imagine 4 more (since 2 is missing). It’s like Gundam 00 all over again with less competent villains (atm).

    I was also wondering how Saki was going to actually insert herself into a love triangle with Haruto and Shoko. Right as soon as I saw that end scene I was just like “Welp, that’ll do it”. That was a complete surprise for me. Since when do kisses happen in the first five episodes?

    Kuntzy
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    2. Not with less competent antagonists but with less competent protagonists.

      It is still not sure whether the (power ranger – lol) units are actual individual units or are actually machines which are linked with the main red unit. If they are linked, then it might mean that only Haruto is able to pilot all of them – any attempt by any other person may result in something similar to what happened to the soldier who tried a few episodes ago.

      Actus
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  16. So I heard you had problems with some diplomatic stuff in the last episode? NP, lets just skip it all together and have an episode filled with cringe-worthy moments.
    Also, who the hell designed those modules? Seriously. Who in their right minds would place the… ‘fix the environment?’ button below a walkway with no paths leading to it? Alright the modules are supposed to be infallible technological wonders, but seriously? dem architects be crazy in da future…
    And the song, oh god the song…
    I commented last episode that this one was going to decide whether or not I dropped it, and I’ve convinced myself to continue watching, just because I want to see their happy little utopia crash and burn.

    (Just for the record, I really feel like the whole environment error was shoehorned in. Just consider this. The AI in the module controls it. If the AI couldn’t prevent it that time, wouldn’t it just happen again? The fix they did was basically pressing a red button, so I find it hard to believe that they actually reconfigured it so it can avoid the error, so it’s bound to happen again.)

    Nerve
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    1. It’s easy to see how the ARUS politicians are being pushed around by this. With the students gaining popularity and support from everywhere except Dorssia(or are they?) and with elections coming up, they can’t mess this one up if they want to keep their jobs next term.

      The Moondoggie
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    2. Also, they took their sweet time to “just push the red button”. Nope. With what the nerd said and the delinquent’s arm started bleeding, I could take that as “they were there for a while, tinkering with a console before pushing the big red button.”

      The Moondoggie
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  20. I’m a huge Saki fanboy too. Thanks for pointing out that Tokishima sensei person must be related to Haruto, didn’t tilt to me at first as I don’t remember the characters family names yet.

    All the issues about separating the module got adressed to in this episode. Last week, maybe we all needed to sit patiently and wait for the next episode instead of saying the show is badly written. That’s just my opinion though.

    Rockmanshii
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  21. That ending And then black hair CC steals Haruto’s lips from female susaku (Shoko) and from the contact while giving him a Geass.

    ps. that vampire program is cute it’s really remind me of Nisemonogari when Chinobu told Araragi that he could love anyone he want to, but in the end this “curse” will only bind him to her alone.

    pokpok
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  22. LOL
    While, as predicted things rapidly spiral out of control, thankfully our heroes manage to get their act together and repair what is in need of repairing and slap who is in need of slapping.
    Saki shone all the episode, but I disagree a bit with our commentator: she sealed the deal with the kiss. LOL supreme at AI’s curiosity about sex 😛
    Not surprisingly, L-11 was first to discover the rest of the Valvraves. Surprisingly, we have Haruto keeping the discovery secret. I am afraid though that soon we will have to enlarge the non-human monsters ranks to boost the new nation’s military muscle. Saki is prime candidate, and L-11 is certainly someone who would not hesitate to take risk…
    I am eagerly awaiting the moment Dorssia tries their military might to capture runaway school. While the ARUS consider more diplomatic approach, Dorssia is the type to send tanks first ask questions later. Yea, in the world of mecha they still have tanks and Red Square parades.

    ewok40k
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  24. damn… every time I swore to stop watching KV because I felt it had gotten too weird… the weirdness pulled me back

    Yes the alpha bitch was irritating, but her greek chorus handmaidens were worse.

    Also, pretty sure Dorusia (Doitsu-Rusia?) didn’t include Italy… https://randomc.net/image/Kakumeiki%20Valvrave/Kakumeiki%20Valvrave%20-%2003%20-%20Large%2001.jpg
    and yet the capital looks so much like Rome.

    One last question for German bros… is Blitzendegen even a word??? or is it another Unwort des Jahres?

    Cobeurn
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    1. more like a phrase actually. blitz roughly translates to lightning, while degen seems to mean a kind of sword in german (schwert is the generic word for sword in german). “blitzendegen” (as used in the fan subs) roughly translates to lighting rapier, while another possible phrashing “blitzen degen” means rapier flash.

      flamerounin
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      1. Not completely wrong, but the word “Blitzendegen” simply doesnt exist XD And I also got no clue, what this is supposed to mean o_O you’re right – Degen = thin sword, Blitz =lightning, but BlitzENdegen??? no idea…
        The first translation yougave would be possible I think if we assume that they actually say “Blitzdegen” (I guess they constructed the word wrong – Japanese arent too careful with other languages, right?;))
        The second Translation is not possible.

        Libelula
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      3. Haha, oh wow! I didn’t even see that it is possible to split up the words there (though it would be blitzendeS gen, but the Japanese often dont pronounce the last consonants, so…)
        But your translation would certainly fit into the nazi-terminology.
        but i still believe it is an analogy to the German word “Blitzkrieg”. The question is just – what is the second part of the word? XD

        Libelula
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      4. @Libelula
        did a quick research. Degen is indeed a real word. It means epee (a fencing sword) in modern german. Theyy also used it to refer to small sabers carried by nazi SS troops during ww2 (fits in with dorssia’s nazi theme). So blitzendegen is really more of a phrase than a single word, i just don’t know if it’s a correct construct.

        flamerounin
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      5. @flamerounin
        ah, now I get what you mean by “phrase” XD. alright, I thought you wanted to say it was ~sentence… sorry, my bad 😉
        And this was my point. “Blitzendegen” cant be the right construction (there are rules), so it has to be “Blitzdegen” or something else.

        Libelula
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  25. Its Lord of the Flies only comedic and wacky! Never thought I said that especially since I really liked Lord of the Flies. I still love Valvrave though.

    Here I thought Shouko caught up with Saki after being awesome last episode. But nope, Saki has completely left her in the dust again, between calling everyone out in their whining (defending Shouko of all people), a catfight (EPIC *****slap!) and staling a kiss, Saki totally owned this episode. In fact, I think she’s a little too awesome, I think this might her her chances of winning but I can surely hope its not the case.

    Its nice to see more Valvrave’s though I can’t wait to see more action. The show has been very tight-lipped on who pilots the next Valvrave’s (which is odd considering this is Sunrise) so I can’t wait to see how this works out.

    fragb85
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    2. I would assume the module is equipped with a (de)humidifier that will recycle the water back from the atmosphere once it evaporates (which is what happens on the International Space Station, see youtube for “Chris Hadfield takes care of Space Station spills”).
      So it’s probably not as big a problem as you might think.

      sinkingmist
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  31. I found it hilarious that after all the talk about pulse coils and field resonance, the way you fix the power is by simply pressing a big red button. Guess you don’t have to be an Einstein to fix power problems.

    BBQ
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  32. Oh wow, the independence thing broke down a lot faster than I thought. And here I thought Takahi was a fairly reasonable girl going by the past 4 episodes.

    Surprising that Yusuke and Raizou didn’t get a mention, especially considering Raizou refused to drop our proud otaku even with his re-opening gun wound, but I guess that shows just how much Saki stole the show.

    I didn’t think they’d show Three-Six so early on, and all together to boot (also a bit surprised we didn’t see L-elf try and take one for himself, though Two is notably absent. Hmm…). Interesting contrast between Haruto’s reaction of horror and Saki’s reaction of wonder (and possibly excitement). I can’t say I’m surprised that Haruto wanting to keep it a secret from the others (since he sees them as cursed), but I can say I’m VERY surprised at Saki’s forwardness (in the scene that apparently gave a huge spike in preorders; or was it sales?). I might have thought she would’ve taken the lead from Shoko if I thought of Haruto as the type to not be totally devoted to his (would-be) girl (that interview that came out afterwards didn’t help).

    Anyways, with the next episode named after her (“Saki Comeback”), she’s sure to play a major part (most likely the star), and I surprised at how…happy?…she looks in it. She also looks to be the most likely pilot of Valvrave Four, which would be fun to see. I’m in a very “if” mood right now thanks to how the next episode PVs seem to give off a totally different impression than the episodes themselves. I can say one thing: the staff sure knows how stay low on spoiling.

    P.S. So not only is the OS girl-thingy sentient, she’s innocent? That right there is probably the biggest shocker of the episode.

    starqo
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    1. Forgot to mention: with an all-star cast like this as our villains, who better to voice their leader than Mr. “most profilic VA in Japan”/”in just about everything” himself, Takehito Koyasu?

      starqo
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  34. It must be a sign of me getting old that when I see the children looting the supermarket, all I can think of is: “who’s going to make the food to replace it?” These kids strike me as ordinary teenagers, and not the self-sufficient populace of Chrome Shelled Regios.

    I imagine there’s going to be a lot of in-fighting in who gets to pilot the other Valvraves.

    Rasen
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  35. “Saki Comeback”

    Remember that the word “comeback” in the next ep. is a slang; it means a smart retort.

    Saki might have made an amazing “comeback”. Hence, the appearance of the Green Valvrave.

    Ken Sanders
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  36. Episode 5 wasn’t quite what I expected, and despite being lacking action wise, the show did a good job showing how quickly everything went to hell. If they want to kill that blonde bitch and her posse at some point, I’m totally all for it. Wasn’t expecting the other units to show up so soon, since it was L-Elf that let them in, it’s safe to assume that he probably already took one for himself- and he lead them there because he feels that the Valvraves are necessary for his “revolution”. (could be completely wrong here of course. Also, I’m just dying to know who the other pilots are- who else is going to sacrifice their humanity and fight for their independent nation? Since they lack any sort of military, the Valvraves are their form of defense against ARUS and Dorssia)
    I really hope Saki is the pilot of the green one, it’ll further solidify her as the best girl and a badass- really looking forward to the next episode!

    katsudon
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  38. Umm… what exactly just happened? This was like the beginning of the Jimmy Neutron movie when all the parents got taken away to another planet or something.

    I thought the idiot driving the buldozer was going to end up kill someone. Lol… had an Another lapse for a second there.

    There is fanservice everywhere in this series. Getting pretty tired of it. We get it. Shoko has melons. Or rather, every other girl in their school does.

    Anyone else hear the Code Geass-esque music for a brief scene when Dorssia appears?

    L-Elf is so interesting. Who’s side is he even on, anyway?

    Jingle bells out of nowhere… Shoko wtf lol.

    Those girls turning into bitches when the shit hits the fan… “Shoko it’s all your fault, blah blah” Rukino had a pretty cool scene there though. I was starting to like her until that plot twist when she decided to kiss Haruto… lol.　I thought gg was trolling us on their site with 「コレハセックス?」 and I was anticipating this scene the whole episode and was like “well I guess it was just nice photoshop” lol…

    What was up with that song scene… uh… what… it was like a bad spinoff. Oh man. I liked the short clip showing Dorssia’s response to this video. Q-vier represents exactly how I felt. Lol. And A-drei too. Oh man. This scene could not have been more comical.

    Jel
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  40. eh, while i like the show for just doing whatever the fuck it wants the musical number definitely fell flat for me. obviously, there’s a lot of just going-along-for-the-ride with the show but not all of it has stuck with me. especially when it turns more than a little corny and while the little “idol number” i can accept, devoting an entire 5 minutes to a montage of cooperation was a bit much and there was a touch of sincerity from the show itself which clashed with the clear divide beginning to form. i dunno… still wildly entertaining and i do like rukino better than shouko…

    Bananarchy
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  41. 2013.05.11
    用語集ページ「VALVRAVEDIA」を公開！
    第1弾として「マギウス」の説明を掲載いたしました。
    http://www.valvrave.com/special/#s3

    Updated.
    Looks like the Magius (“space vampire”) and “Jack” (the name Haruto and co. gave to the ability to hijack other bodies) are real spoilers from the NT magazine.

    Haruto: I jacked your husband A-dreiiiiiiiiiii

    The only thing that can make this episode better is if next episode the first scene starts with Saki putting on her clothes, then Haruto will have done the one thing that no other MS pilot has ever done.

    Flit: HOW DO YOU EVEN PICK UP GIRLS IF YOU DON’T DRIVE AROUND GUNDAMS?!
    Yurin: ( ´_ゝ｀)
    Hino Akihiro: GUNDAM AGE BIG SUCCESS!! /wrist

    Sorry, I sidetracked.
    \SAKI/\(゜∀ ゜ )ノ♥\SAKI/\(゜∀ ゜ )ノ♥\SAKI/\(゜∀ ゜ )ノ♥\SAKI/\(゜∀ ゜ )ノ♥

    Kunagisa
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  42. Starting to think Shouko might have ADD.

    “YAAAAY GROCERIES ADVENTURE”

    “YAAAAY DANCING AROUND IN PRECIOUS WATER THAT WE CAN’T REPLACE”

    “YAAAAY JINGLE BELLS JINGLE BELLS”

    Also, nice job letting the enemy combatant freely roam around and do whatever the hell he wants!

    And what are they even going to do with those funds? I don’t think there’s a gas station anywhere for rouge modules.

    Da5id
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    1. Don’t forget that random stripping bit she did to convince the student council to believe her story. And just so you know, ADHD is the official term used now to the refer to the disorder, which I mostly like have myself, though I haven’t been diagnosed yet.

      vanfokerdumplestein
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    1. Why did Shouko jump up and start singing Jingle Bells?

      Why did Saki think she would switch bodies if she bit the blond girl’s hand?

      Why does Haruto want to keep the other four mechs a secret when it would quintuple their firepower?

      Why are they letting L-Elf just wander around the place when he is clearly up to something?

      Da5id
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      1. Detective Mago is on the job!

        Answer 1 – It was cold at the time, wearing mascot costumes are a sure fire way to keep warm.

        Answer 2 – Because she’s Shouko

        Answer 3 – Because Saki was in Red Valvrave with Haruto so she thought something would happen

        Answer 4 – Because Haruto doesn’t fully understand his own new body and doesn’t want others to lose their Humanity like he did

        Answer 5 – Because L-Elf could easily kill all of them and he’s a lone wolf looking for trouble so they gave him some space like a boss needs

        Magoiichi
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      2. Dammit Mago! You’re a loose cannon detective who doesn’t play by the rules! Not even your own!

        Follow-up Question 1: So, why not a coat or a blanket? Why a random-ass dinosaur costume?

        Follow-up Question 2: That is an unsatisfying answer. And I realize that was not a question.

        Follow-up Question 3: But is that really enough to go on? It just made the whole scene feel…well, random. As did the Jingle Bells.

        Follow-up Question 4: So why don’t they underscore how his “humanity is lost” in the show? We’re five episodes in and again, the only effect is switching bodies. Now it just seems like he’s wasting perfectly good weapons because he has low self-esteem. Luckily we’ll be seeing them anyway.

        Follow-up Question 5: Still though, they just let him wander? No surveillance or guards? Can’t they at least act like they’re concerned about an outed enemy spy waltzing around their community? Besides going “lol it’s like summer vacation in giant broken cruise liner that could kill us”

        Da5id
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      3. 1. The otaku boys are into cosplay and had a random costume around.
        2. Silly Shouko believed it would improve the mood and distract people from fighting.
        3. Saki is an odd girl and was also using that as a way to lash out at her target.
        4. Haruto gets unexplained vampire urges when he gets hurt. That’s worryingly inhuman.
        5. L-ELf could have easily run away while the crowd was focused on Shouko.

        Camario
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      4. 1-3: So just random for the sake of random, then?
        4: And the result is he switches bodies with someone, nothing else. There’s not even any side effects from jumping in and out, otherwise L-Elf would be Patient Zero.
        5: That still doesn’t explain why not even Haruto is concerned in the slightest. He’s an agent from Dorssia who could be trying to steal back the module for his army and ruin their whole plan and yet they can’t even touch him. How are none of them FREAKING OUT about this?!

        Da5id
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      5. 1-3: That nails it.
        4: Remember he also saw a guy turned into mush trying to pilot the red one. All we have right now are his own fears born from his sudden burst of regeneration and biting fits. So yeah, he is a little too quick anounncing himself a non-human.
        5: On the other hand, I don’t want to know what would happen if they try and oppose him. The anime wouild be over far to quick.

        Kyral
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      6. I guess I should be expecting more random in the coming 19 episodes.

        Still though, a single “boy, I wonder where that white-haired guy went”, would be enough. At least acknowledge his existence!

        Da5id
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    3. Playing detective is entertaining!

      1: Mascot Costumes: They were not intelligent enough to know that there is such an artificial object called a jacket.

      2: Jingle Bells: She might have gone insane. There are times when the accumulation of stress makes a person insane.

      3: Biting the hand: Saki might be testing how Haruto was able to transfer himself into other people. Saki wasn’t there when Haruto was injected with the serum – she only knew Haruto piloted the machine. From such premises, the first step to methodically test the cause of Haruto’s powers is probably to see if it is by virtue of being in the cockpit which renders the pilot in such a state.

      4: Keeping mechs from other people: Haruto is not sure about the effects of piloting the mechs. The mechs (including the red one) might all be connected in a network so that only Haruto could pilot them. Any attempt otherwise would result in death. Also, note that Haruto’s mention of a ‘curse’ does not indicate anything about the features of the mechs. It is not known whether the mechs are stand-alone units or connected units. Thus, it cannot be concluded that other people are capable of operating them.

      5: L-11: The students were too occupied with more ‘important’ matters such as playing with supposedly irreplaceable water. They do not possess the intellect to contemplate the gravity of the situation they are in – nor do the teachers for that matter.

      (*********************************P.S. To “FIVEOver”:
      I was right. There wasn’t anyone else in the module other than the students (and two teachers and L-11). My reasoning in the discussion section in the article for episode 3 was correct.)

      Actus
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    4. 1-3: If that is your personal definition of randomness, albeit it’s not really the case.
      4: Losing control of your own body is always a good reason to feel uneasy. You’re being rather cynical without putting yourself in those shoes.
      5: Are you expecting a sudden burst of maturity and professionalism from just a bunch of school kids? Also, a full week has passed off-screen, which is enough time for them to be distracted by other concerns, warranted or unwarranted.

      Camario
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      1. 1-3: I’m just saying there are other, better ways of conveying what they wanted to convey in that scene WITHOUT completely destroying the tension with a facepalm-worthy moment, as most people see those scenes as.

        4: Well, then they need to give me a reason to not be cynical by actually making switching bodies seem like a dangerous thing. It is the story’s job to make me feel these things, not leave it up to alternative interpretations. Haruto knows the basics of this thing now, so he should be testing it to find out what is or isn’t dangerous about it.

        5: I’m expecting LOGIC from these kids. And they have two teachers with them, so why aren’t THEY concerned about this?

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  46. Speculation:

    Saki- Green Unit
    Takahi – Yellow Unit
    Shoko/Akira – Purple Unit
    Akira/Shoko – Blue Unit

    L-elf – Unit 02

    I’ll be upset if the delinquent gets a Unit.

    Gil
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  47. I was waiting so long for a sub group that wasn’t gg or Horrible subs.I just caved in and chose to watch LBB’s sub and it was a good choice.

    First off, I’m sorry Shouko, I didn’t mean to flip flop, but Saki has pulled me to her side with all of her epicness.

    Dat Haymaker >.<

    Saki’s viral music video was just a highlight, just a taste of why she’s voted most likely to win the Ship Wars.It’s kinda funny and messed up how Shouko started singing first, then Saki comes along and completely steals the spotlight.

    Get on my level Shouko!

    The final nail on Shouko’s coffin was the the beginning of reverse NTR >:3

    I can’t be the only one wondering where L-Elf was and what he was doing for more than half the episode.At first I thought he was trying to contact Dorissia, but it looks like he’ll be doing that next episode, now that he found the rest of the Skittles Valvraves.

    Magoiichi
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  49. Finally, it’s time for Saki to be in the spotlight! Woo-hoo~!

    I really applaud Saki’s self-confidence and straight-forwardness, something that heroines should have more. 🙂

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  50. Oh wow! Nice episode. After Sunrise docked the module somewhere in, presumably, the Dyson Sphere’s orbit, away from the artificial sun, it has been one week. Arus and Dorssia are having a staredown, the kids set up rules and are living out their days off the remaining supplies. While that’s happening, the resident leaders and geniuses takes the spotlight in various ways such as when the artificial environment mechanism of the module malfunction.

    So yes, it isn’t a government like many people were arguing last week, but more of a community. With rules.

    All while this is happening we found out other tidbits that are important:

    > Modules can function either together or independently
    > One of Haruto’s parents are in with the Valvrave project
    > The Valvrave is the “one mech, multiple forms” type of mecha
    > The Valvrave is hinted to be far more advance than any technology there was

    In other news:

    > L-Elf is lurking everywhere and found the other parts at the same time as Haruto.
    > They started a Kickstarter account and received Y200,000,000+. The equivalent of $1,981,374.63.
    > Saki tried to make a comeback against Shouko-dominated Haruto, which seems to be the next episode’s topic
    > A-Drei mad
    > Everyone else in JIOR’s Dyson sphere is hiding in fear ala Anne Frank

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  54. I’d totally jump for joy if that will be Saki in the Green Valvrave.

    Not too sure what the odds are for that, but this episode really left me feeling we viewers are going to get trolled continuously by the producers. The main topic in question, of course, is which girl is the better one. Seems trivial, pointless even, but I love how the show is playing up both girls as characters with charisma and interesting backgrounds (i.e. Saki’s laughter at seeing something silly then having a 180-degree change in her mood) From the vibes Saki give me, it’s apparent that she might have some bad past we don’t know about, while we all already know Shouko is the daughter of JIOR’s president.

    And Saki is so full of win this episode that I’m really tempted to list her as my favorite girl. First that attitude, then the slap to the bitching Takahi, the mini-concert, and ultimately the stolen first kiss. What better thing for Saki fans than to know the next episode will probably center around her?

    I also quite like the teamwork we see with Nerd and Yankee (sorry, forgot their names. Can’t blame me when they have so many characters there, can you?). I get the feeling those two are going to become more important in the future. Maybe as one of the Valvrave pilots too.

    And then there’s L-elf. No one really knows how much he knows, and that little juicy tidbit of starting a revolution is starting to gnaw on me. Should be interesting to know about his real motive for staying behind and making a whole lot of fuss with the sabotage.

    Lastly, I’m also in favour of how the show brings stuff back down to earth with the students so quickly. It was obvious that they were ill-equipped to handle the newfound freedom they had, and were quick to point fingers the moment something goes wrong. Interestingly, I actually found it surprising the situation that unfolded wasn’t too absurd this time. In the end, though, DAT VIDEO…Still, it does symbolise the idealism of high-school students who want to bring hope to their own nation and have yet to face a real trial in the form of hostile contact yet.

    Good show. Can’t wait for the next episode.

    Owaranai
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  58. Since we are on RandomC, here’s a Random thought:
    Do the kinds know, or just Shouko, that to keep their “independence” they, or just Haruto, have to kill people?

    And this brings me to the my all time second hateworthy female chara, Shouko.
    Does she realize she just made them into full fledged terrorist?
    Does she realize every one of them could die at any moment?
    Does she realize she just made Haruto into a mass murderer?
    Does she take responsibility for her actions?

    No.

    All she does is mess with food and sing silly songs.

    Yuu
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    1. >Does she realize she just made them into full fledged terrorist?

      Retaliation and defense doesn’t make you a terrorist, threatening to attack/attacking and causing mayhem indiscriminately for reasons like ideals and religion is.

      So far, none of the kids, or Shouko for that matter thought of attacking ARUS or DORSSIA or both at the same time.

      >Does she realize every one of them could die at any moment?

      Probably not due to her thinking that they(the kids) has all the good cards right now

      >Does she realize she just made Haruto into a mass murderer?

      Does self-defense and killing the attacking party makes people murderers?

      >Does she take responsibility for her actions?

      Yes. She IS working with the others to make it comfortable for themselves.

      The Moondoggie
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      1. >Retaliation and defense doesn’t make you a terrorist, threatening to attack/attacking and causing mayhem indiscriminately for reasons like ideals and religion is.

        Defence may not be an act of terrorism, if made by a sovereign country, and retaliation in an act of war, when made by a sovereign country, when made by a civilian by stealing government propriety against another government I think is an act of terrorism.

        Plus

        They just STOLE a whole module. Rightfully Dorussia’s.

        AND

        They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to the other side if both Durssia and ARUS give them what they want…

        >Probably not due to her thinking that they(the kids) has all the good cards right now

        Right, NOW, because they have public support, but wait until someone realizes that this is not a reality show, and thing will get bad fast.

        >Does self-defense and killing the attacking party makes people murderers?

        Does killing soldier whose task is to take back what is rightfully theirs count as murder?

        Shouko’s “idea” made Haruto go from “heroic young man who just wanted to protect his friend” to “leader of a terrorist organization threatening to sell the Valvrave to the highest bidder”.

        ‘Couse that Haruto’s face up there.

        >Does she take responsibility for her actions?

        So you mean messing with ramen, and singing jingle bells is making people comfortable?

        It was all her idea she should be at lest in the same room where the decision’s are made. Not wasting water.

        It’s like electing a president that says he will do this and that and the instant he is elected he throw everything to his staff and goes out to buy ramen and doesn’t return until everything is done.

        Ok choosing the right person for the job is a job, but it would be helpful if she was actually present…

        Yuu
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      2. >Does she realize she just made them into full fledged terrorist?

        Retaliation and defence does not make you a terrorist. A group is categorised as terrorists merely by virtue of what other nations deem the group to be. An Icelandic bank was deemed as a terrorist organisation under the Anti-terrorism Act in the UK a few years back so as to freeze any of the bank’s assets which could be controlled within the UK. Legally, it was a terrorist group – although it now isn’t.

        >Does she realize every one of them could die at any moment?

        Probably not. The students are too obsessed with the superficial superiority of Valvrave.

        >Does she realize she just made Haruto into a mass murderer?

        Yes, in a physical sense, Haruto is a mass murderer; in a legal sense, no. Self-defence is a justification of murder. In criminal law, murder must be amounted before any justifications to murder are accounted for.

        Consider Lord Coke’s definition of murder (which is the basic definition of murder used in most if not all common law countries): “murder is when a man… unlawfully killeth… any reasonable creature in rerum natura under the king’s peace, with malice aforethought, either expressed by the party or implied by law, so as the party wounded, or hurt, etc, die of the wound or hurt, etc.”

        The doctrine of duress does not apply to homicide, and the discretionary principle of necessity does not encompass the deliberate killing of others which falls within the ambit of Self-Defence.

        >Does she take responsibility for her actions?

        No. Leading encompasses more than making others comfortable. It is about sustaining the stability and operation of society. It cant hardly be said that pushing noodles off shelves or encouraging the waste of water is responsible.
        The noodles belonged to another person, whether it be a legal person or a physical person, it does not matter; such conduct is not responsible. It is denying the proprietary interest of the legal owner of the property.
        She encouraged the spillage of water out of the pipeline without regard to the overall decrease in the total reserve of the water, or the energy required to synthesise or recycle the water in question. This waste of resources cannot be said to be responsible.

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      3. Continuation of my response:

        >Does she realize she just made Haruto into a mass murderer?

        —
        Self defence is a mere justification for murder. Murder has to be amounted before any defence for such a crime is considered. Self-defence merely neutralises any legal liability; it does not neutralise the actual physical killing the accused committed.

        Actus
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      4. @Actus

        Taking responsibility doesn’t mean she has to lead them all like a president or some, it’s a leaders’ role to make sure everything is running according to plan. Taking responsibility on her part would mean lending a hand and working rather than laying about.

        And she didn’t encourage the spilling of water, the pipe was hit accidentally anyway.

        See https://randomc.net/2013/05/11/kakumeiki-valvrave-05/comment-page-1/#comment-973018

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      5. Rather than repairing said broken pipeline, she ran towards the water and stayed in that position for a period of time. By virtue of the fact that she expressed her satisfaction at being showered in water, others joined her action. This amounts to a delay in repairing the pipeline, ultimately resulting in a larger loss of water than had it been repaired as soon as possible.

        Actus
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      6. >Yes, in a physical sense, Haruto is a mass murderer; in a legal sense, no. Self-defence is a justification of murder. In criminal law, murder must be amounted before any justifications to murder are accounted for.

        Not only by law, any person with common sense would feel that defending himself who is out to kill him, with one-sided, malicious intention, against him is the only right way. If he had to kill the attacker, if he was indeed attacked, then it cannot be helped.

        I think that “murder” on the moment of “defense” cannot be counted as murder and shouldn’t hold the one accused of murder accountable with the death.

        Hence justice.

        The Moondoggie
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      7. >This amounts to a delay in repairing the pipeline

        There are others with her at the time. It’s safe to assume that it was fixed anyway and the wasted water doesn’t matter that much(if the module recycles it’s water, and since they made a killing in that Kickstarter account, amounting to 250 million yen, replenishing energy for water recycling, among other stuff looks easy.)

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      9. Just one simple reply to Yuu on the post.

        The module RIGHTFULLY belonged to Dorussia? So you invade a territory, annexed it and subjugate those who were actually the ones in place, and you call that rightful when it has probably barely even been a week?

        Sounds just about right.

        I concur that your view on Shouko not taking responsibility could be right to some extent, though to me they are adopting the teenage attitude of ‘shoot first, aim later’. To me that feels ridiculous, yet fine. Teenagers being teenagers, they have no idea what cans of worms they really opened up till the first battles hit them. Now that would prove interesting as to how they will react.

        Owaranai
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      10. @Owaranai

        You are linking several notions of what is ‘rightful’ together.

        It does not matter whether it is morally right to annex JIOR or to invade it for that matter. Dorssia invaded JIOR. JIOR surrendered. Dorssia has control over the surrendered JIOR, thereby entitling it to all of JIOR’s lands.

        The students broke off the module and claimed it to be theirs. From the reasoning, it follows that Dorssia is merely retrieving what, legally, is under their control.

        If viewed from a different perspective, Dorssia is merely trying to liberate lands under its control from ‘pre-existing’ invaders (i.e. the students).

        Actus
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    2. Does she realize she just made them into full fledged terrorist?<
      She didn't make them do anything. She presented a suggestion that they all voted on. Your logic makes no sense. Just like Ms. Blonde Bare-ass.

      Does she realize every one of them could die at any moment?<
      Maybe, maybe not. Though she clearly considered the alternative unacceptable. Frankly, I love how all the wanna-be smart people on here are so sure that giving up would've been better. Because you know it's better to be alive with someone's foot constantly in your damn neck than dead. And heaven forbid people consider all the deaths Dorsia will cause once they've gotten their hands on the Valvrave technology.

      Does she realize she just made Haruto into a mass murderer?<
      And she did this how? Oh wait, she enslaved his mind like all the other Sakimori students. How come the only character you consider to have any self agency is Shoko. You have a thing against energetic weirdos? Fine just say so and stop making silly things up.

      Black Cat
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      1. > Though she clearly considered the alternative unacceptable

        My biggest problem with this show, beside Shouko.

        Why? Why did they think the alternative unacceptable, everything they had to do was give them the Valvrave.
        From what we where shown, from what I saw, there’s no reason to consider surrender “unacceptable”.
        Sure Dorussia seems a harsh place, militaristic autocratic, but where we shown a reason why they trough if they surrendered they were gonna be wholesale raped and killed?
        But that is my perspective from outside. So maybe they have a reason we were not shown, but until I know why, I’m gonna call them, and Shouko stupid.

        >She didn’t make them do anything. She presented a suggestion that they all voted on. Your logic makes no sense. Just like Ms. Blonde Bare-ass.

        Between being abandoned there, and being abandoned there, they would have taken any third way out.

        Having ideas, expressing them, having people act on them, experientially if they could get people killed, brings responsibilities, like I said to Moodoggie, I’m not expecting she to lead them or whatever, but at least take an interest if her ideas have gotten anyone killed.

        >And she did this how? Oh wait, she enslaved his mind like all the other Sakimori students. How come the only character you consider to have any self agency is Shoko. You have a thing against energetic weirdos? Fine just say so and stop making silly things up.

        By giving them a way out a situation they though as “fuck it I’m gonna be but-raped and my whole family killed”.
        The human mind works that way put them in deep shit, give them even a speck of hope and they will follow it, even if it’s a very stupid idea.

        The real question now is WHY they though defying booth superpowers to be better than what awaiting them.

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      2. > The real question now is WHY they though defying booth superpowers to be better than what awaiting them.

        Because clearly defying the both of them is the only way that will give them a chance to liberate JIOR. ARUS has no plans to help or annex JIOR, Dorssia is like postwar-China and USSR Russia combined: a full-on Communist, land-grubbing country.

        Seriously, any democratic person wouldn’t like it in a Communist hell.

        And so Shouko’s option is understandable.

        The Moondoggie
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      3. >Because clearly defying the both of them is the only way that will give them a chance to liberate JIOR. ARUS has no plans to help or annex JIOR, Dorssia is like postwar-China and USSR Russia combined: a full-on Communist, land-grubbing country.

        Although Dorssia looks like it is militaristic, there is no indication that it is a communistic state. We also have yet to see the state of its economy; the only visuals of Dorssia is merely of its militaristic rule.

        The economy could very well be capitalistic for all that matters. And if China and Russia, as you mentioned, is any indication, then it would perhaps support my view as well. If there is indeed, a functioning economy, then buying when the market is appreciating and shorting when they are going down would make any investor very rich. I am sure investors would be fairly content.

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      4. From what we where shown, from what I saw, there’s no reason to consider surrender “unacceptable”.
        Sure Dorussia seems a harsh place, militaristic autocratic, but where we shown a reason why they trough if they surrendered they were gonna be wholesale raped and killed?
        But that is my perspective from outside. So maybe they have a reason we were not shown, but until I know why, I’m gonna call them, and Shouko stupid.

        Then you must not have been watching the full episodes. Or did you conveniently not notice the fact that people were deported from their own homes in ep. 2. Or the man separated from his family in this episode (along with the fact that the people watching the video had to hack a line to get internet access). Pretty much all the people, who were watching in secret, were also seemingly segregated; the kids/teens in one dark room, the women in another, the men in some van somewhere else. Why would you not expect these people (Dorsia) to be capable of raping and killing when they trample over basic human rights so readily?

        Having ideas, expressing them, having people act on them, experientially if they could get people killed, brings responsibilities, like I said to Moodoggie, I’m not expecting she to lead them or whatever, but at least take an interest if her ideas have gotten anyone killed.

        If Shoko was an adult talking to kids you might have a point. But not in this case. You’re essentially demonizing independent thought. And do remember that Shoko was in the same situation as everyone else. Anyway, I can see the problem here is that you clearly missed some details regarding Dorsia’s actions. I suggest you rewatch ep. 2 and 5.

        Black Cat
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      6. >Why would you not expect these people (Dorsia) to be capable of raping and killing when they trample over basic human rights so readily?

        It is a war. They were trying to retrieve information from the students. Of course, they are going to hide. Retrieving any information from any outside source may be instructions for an attack to commence, and Dorssia’s military (those who are placing their lives on the front line to fight – take those patrolling the streets) would not take it lightly.

        Also, to answer your raping and killing argument: there is no indication that Dorssia raped or killed anyone after the occupation. I don’t know the human rights laws in the world of Valvrave, but if Dorssia’s constituent countries shed light on the mechanics of human rights, the European Convention of Human Rights (which most if not all European nations signed – including Russia) does not and is not meant to apply to the context of war. In cases infringing on human rights in such a context, the European Court of Human Rights would usually confer a “margin of discretion” onto the states to maintain public order, particularly to lesser rights that could be qualified such as the right to liberty and security.

        As Dorssia recently conquered JIOR, the conquered lands are highly dangerous. To maintain order in such lands, it is crucial that Dorssia maintain its militaristic presence.

        Actus
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      7. >Having ideas, expressing them, having people act on them, experientially if they could get people killed, brings responsibilities, like I said to Moodoggie, I’m not expecting she to lead them or whatever, but at least take an interest if her ideas have gotten anyone killed.

        >If Shoko was an adult talking to kids you might have a point. But not in this case. You’re essentially demonizing independent thought.

        How does taking on responsibility inhibit free expression and demonise independent thought? In all constitutions around the world, the right to freedom of expression is an easily qualified right.

        Also, being a high school student does not entitle one to be naive and be irresponsible.

        Actus
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    3. It is a war. They were trying to retrieve information from the students. Of course, they are going to hide. Retrieving any information from any outside source may be instructions for an attack to commence, and Dorssia’s military (those who are placing their lives on the front line to fight – take those patrolling the streets) would not take it lightly.

      Also, to answer your raping and killing argument: there is no indication that Dorssia raped or killed anyone after the occupation. I don’t know the human rights laws in the world of Valvrave, but if Dorssia’s constituent countries shed light on the mechanics of human rights, the European Convention of Human Rights (which most if not all European nations signed – including Russia) does not and is not meant to apply to the context of war. In cases infringing on human rights in such a context, the European Court of Human Rights would usually confer a “margin of discretion” onto the states to maintain public order, particularly to lesser rights that could be qualified such as the right to liberty and security.

      As Dorssia recently conquered JIOR, the conquered lands are highly dangerous. To maintain order in such lands, it is crucial that Dorssia maintain its militaristic presence.

      And the Sakimori students are going to give three shits about any of this stuff because of what now? Never mind the fact that for all intents and purposes this “war” was basically a sneak attack. All you’re really doing is giving questionable legal excuses that may not even be relevant to this universe.

      Black Cat
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      1. With due respect, before you accuse others of giving questionable answers, please do do some research.

        Even without Westlaw or Lexis, the principles above could be found on the institution’s official website.

        Actus
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      2. You do realize that people have their own individual principles right? It’s questionable because I don’t completely agree with it. It’s questionable because there exists a court in which people can contest an action supposedly based on said principles. These things are not as absolute as you seem to think it is.

        Black Cat
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      3. Sure you can have your own principles. However, there is a difference between questioning whether something ‘is’ the case (which could be found doing some research), and questioning whether something ‘ought’ to be the case (one’s own opinion). If the meaning of your first reply refers to the latter ‘questioning’ then so be it.

        Actus
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      4. My answer refers mostly to the latter questioning but both apply. However, if you want to continue to pretend that the laws of war are some wholly binding force when history has already proven otherwise, be my guest.

        The lack of background detail for this show pretty much makes such real world comparisons moot anyway. Agree to disagree.

        Black Cat
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    4. Good sir, that makes sense. It’s valid, but I’m not inclined to say it’s right either, not when you are talking about this when you’re coming from the perspective of the victim.

      On the other hand, I have to say what you mention is valid. Forgive me if I’m bull-headed about this, but I’d say we’d have to agree to disagree. 🙂

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  59. >They just STOLE a whole module. Rightfully Dorussia’s.

    Um, no. That belongs to JOIR, Dorssia just invaded the whole Dyson Spehere. Hence since the students are JIOR citizens, that makes the module rightfully theirs. Dorssians are the terrorist-like ones here: invading another country for IDEALS…

    Do you even watch?

    >They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to the other side if both Durssia and ARUS give them what they want…

    They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to Dorssia if ARUS doesn’t support them.

    They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to ARUS if Dorssia further their invasion and attacks their families in the JOIR-owned Dyson Sphere.

    FTFY

    >Right, NOW, because they have public support, but wait until someone realizes that this is not a reality show, and thing will get bad fast.

    Nope. This isn’t a reality show: this is an anime. And they probably won’t unless Dorssia says “screw cutting-edge technology” and attack the module anyway.

    >Shouko’s “idea” made Haruto go from “heroic young man who just wanted to protect his friend” to “leader of a terrorist organization threatening to sell the Valvrave to the highest bidder”. ‘Couse that Haruto’s face up there.

    They’re no terrorist organization, like I reasoned. They’re the Resistance. Dorssia’s the invading party.

    >So you mean messing with ramen, and singing jingle bells is making people comfortable?

    So nitpicking on her messing with the ramen when the whole point is that they were gathering food and her singing carols with the intent of calming everyone down is your idea of irresponsibility for her part?

    >It’s like electing a president that says he will do this and that and the instant he is elected he throw everything to his staff and goes out to buy ramen and doesn’t return until everything is done.

    She’s not leader. That sole role still goes to the Student Council President.

    >Ok choosing the right person for the job is a job, but it would be helpful if she was actually present…

    She is. They were gathering supplies.

    I’d advise you to look at the perspective of the students, who, like I said, thinks they have all the cards.

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    2. >Um, no. That belongs to JOIR, Dorssia just invaded the whole Dyson Spehere. Hence since the >students are JIOR citizens, that makes the module rightfully theirs. Dorssians are the >terrorist-like ones here: invading another country for IDEALS…
      >
      >Do you even watch?

      Yes I watch AND listen, that’s why I know JIOR DOESN’T exist anymore, the surrendered and where annexed, so everything that was JIOR is Dorussia now.

      >>They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to the other side if both Durssia >and ARUS give them what they want…
      >
      >They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to Dorssia if ARUS doesn’t support >them.
      >
      >They are threatening to give a powerful machine of war to ARUS if Dorssia further their >invasion and attacks their families in the JOIR-owned Dyson Sphere.

      See above and why are you repeating what I wrote just with more words?

      >>Shouko’s “idea” made Haruto go from “heroic young man who just wanted to protect his >friend” to “leader of a terrorist organization threatening to sell the Valvrave to the >highest bidder”. ‘Couse that Haruto’s face up there.
      >
      >They’re no terrorist organization, like I reasoned. They’re the Resistance. Dorssia’s the >invading party.

      See above, Haruto was resistance only during that first night, ’cause JIOR surrendered, so from the following day everything he was doing was terrorism.
      He could have not know that was the case, and whale ignorance doesn’t excuse breaking the law, what he did was understandable.

      >>Right, NOW, because they have public support, but wait until someone realizes that this is >not a reality show, and thing will get bad fast.
      >
      >Nope. This isn’t a reality show: this is an anime. And they probably won’t unless Dorssia >says “screw cutting-edge technology” and attack the module anyway.

      I was referring to a in-anime reality show,(a cokkie to whoever spots the reference!), where the audience feels that what is happening is not real, here, in-anime, the killing is real and I would think the parents aren’t gonna be happy…

      Nor Dorussia’s citizen happy when they know they stole a piece of thier coutry.

      Nor ARUS’s when they know that they are being threatened to give support.

      >>So you mean messing with ramen, and singing jingle bells is making people comfortable?
      >
      >So nitpicking on her messing with the ramen when the whole point is that they were >gathering food and her singing carols with the intent of calming everyone down is your idea >of irresponsibility for her part?

      I was “nitpicking” because she should have been somewhere else, like “the room where the decision are made”

      >>It’s like electing a president that says he will do this and that and the instant he is >elected he throw everything to his staff and goes out to buy ramen and doesn’t return until >everything is done.
      >
      >She’s not leader. That sole role still goes to the Student Council President.

      Having the whole idea and then stepping back and saying “I’m not a leader” is irresponsible.
      I’m not saying she should make the decisions I’m saying she should at least take an interest in how things are going…
      ‘Couse it was HER idea.

      >>Ok choosing the right person for the job is a job, but it would be helpful if she was >actually present…
      >
      >She is. They were gathering supplies.

      And the president from my example above is still inside the country, no he was buying ramen for his “aidies”

      >I’d advise you to look at the perspective of the students, who, like I said, thinks they have all the cards.

      I’m NOT looking at this from the prospective if the student I’m looking at this as a if I was looking at a Anime, from outside.

      I know that they THINK it’s all gone be roses and flowers, because they what it to be so, wizard’s first rule.

      But from where I’am Shouko is… I don’t even have the right word, she has good intentions, I hope, but still…

      P.S. There is a way for all this to work out, same reference as above, it’s pretty easy but as things are NOW they are terrorists…

      @Actus
      > A group is categorised as terrorists >merely by virtue of what other nations deem the group to be

      I would think both Dorussia and ARUS are pissed just enough to do so…

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  60. >>Yes I watch AND listen, that’s why I know JIOR DOESN’T exist anymore, the surrendered and where annexed, so everything that was JIOR is Dorussia now.

    Doesn’t exist? No. The leaders of the Dyson Sphere are the ones who surrendered the sphere. And the Dorssian soldiers claiming JOIR isn’t anymore is exaggerating. JOIR still has Earth states and those still remain JOIR.

    And no matter how you bend it, a stolen Dyson Sphere is a stolen Dyson Sphere. And stealing doesn’t make you the rightful owner, unless you actually ARE the original owner.

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    1. Meant as a reply for Yuu…

      Also:

      >Nor ARUS’s when they know that they are being threatened to give support.

      The ARUS government is being pushed around, not only by the kids but also their own citizens.

      >I was “nitpicking” because she should have been somewhere else, like “the room where the decision are made”

      LOL, so you expected her to be president overnight? I don’t think being rushed to do the decisions would help them more.

      >Having the whole idea and then stepping back and saying “I’m not a leader” is irresponsible. I’m not saying she should make the decisions I’m saying she should at least take an interest in how things are going… ‘Couse it was HER idea.

      And everyone went with it, afterall, that the only sure way to not lose to Dorssia. Then they start dividing the responsibilities, anyone who can lead, lead etc.

      And I think helping gathering supplies doesn’t count as irresponsible.

      >>Ok choosing the right person for the job is a job, but it would be helpful if she was >actually present…
      >
      >She is. They were gathering supplies.

      Ok this one was a mistake, formatting. I didn’t meant to say that she is president(she isn’t, and that’s ok).

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      1. Now you saying it like this has got me doubting, but I’m pretty sure it was the JIOR earth government that surrendered.

        And I’m not telling Shouko to be the president, I’m just telling her she should take a look if her idea is getting anyone killed.

        Be it as it may ARUS is still a superpower and superpowers don’t like being pushed around expecially but underage kids…

        How would you feel if a bunch of kids told you, USA, that unless you give them the means to resist Russia and you, make them a third superpower, than they are gonna give the Russian the last nuke on earth?

        Pissed? Ya me too

        Shouko’s plan in a nut shell

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      2. @Yuu

        Surrendered what exactly, the whole of JIOR? That’s an impossible thing unless they utilize everyone they have, including all their citizens to annex JIOR(refer to the map in earlier episodes).

        > And I’m not telling Shouko to be the president, I’m just telling her she should take a look if her idea is getting anyone killed.

        And it hasn’t, not yet anyway.

        > Be it as it may ARUS is still a superpower and superpowers don’t like being pushed around especially but underage kids…

        Isn’t that why the council in ARUS’ whitehouse thought of sweet talking them? It’s just too bad for the politicians, a lot of their own citizens express support for the kids.

        > How would you feel if a bunch of kids told you, USA, that unless you give them the means to resist Russia and you, make them a third superpower, than they are gonna give the Russian the last nuke on earth?

        Pissed? Ya me too

        I dunno. I ain’t an American. I’m Filipino. And I’d welcome any pressure any independent group can put on either Russia or US.

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      4. Went back to ep2 5:24, the Dorussian soldier says that JIOR homeland has already surrendered, without conditions.

        And ep 4 00:40, doesn’t the ARUS congressman/president says that once they had the Valvrave they would star the war on Dorussia?

        Doesn’t that mean ARUS wasn’t waring with Dorussia?

        Now IF Shouko did think so far ahead and a couple of eps in her father turns in, then I’ll have to admit I misjudged her…

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      5. > But my point was that pissing both superpowers is a very bad idea, even if you have a nuke in hand and they don’t.

        They have no choice: Between surrendering and lose their sense of national pride and patriotism, being subject to become “conquered people” and even the possibility of losing their cherished freedom against the hope of liberating their families and themselves from occupied rule, the choice can only be clear.

        And…

        > The economy could very well be capitalistic for all that matters. And if China and Russia, as you mentioned, is any indication, then it would perhaps support my view as well. If there is indeed, a functioning economy, then buying when the market is appreciating and shorting when they are going down would make any investor very rich. I am sure investors would be fairly content.

        But if there isn’t? USSR Russia is all communist and militaristic. Militaristic rule IS a trademark of communist rule. No one gets rich in a communist country unless they leave, or is rich already. Just look at Nokor!

        And everyone in Dorrsia who is naturally Dorssian looks alot like them North Koreans: brainwashed.

        Also, they’re not investors: they’re kids. If ep4 is any indication, military servitude is what awaits them, unless they all become like L-ELF.

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      6. >Doesn’t that mean ARUS wasn’t waring with Dorussia?

        Yes, but military tension is there(compare US and Nokor). They do plan to announce open war once they got hold of the Valvrave.

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      7. > Militaristic rule IS a trademark of communist rule.

        Not true.

        While it’s true that most, or all, communist countries where militaristic, beying militaristic doesn’t mean communist.

        And Dorussia is a Military federation, meaning they are together just for the military thing, so obviously they are gonna look militaristic.

        Let just look at how much USA spends on “defence” alone, how they brag about having the most powerful military on Earth, how many war/almost war are they engaged on.

        But they are not communists…

        > No one gets rich in a communist country unless they leave, or is rich already.

        In a good, well done communist society there is no rich. But reality is different, still, even in a flawed communist there are ways to get “rich”, political power and connections do make miracles…

        > Just look at Nokor!

        Now let just stop and say that North Korea is a example of things should NOT be done, both capitalistic or communistic.

        > If ep4 is any indication, military servitude is what awaits them, unless they all become like L-ELF.

        Why? What happened in ep4 that suggested every child was gonna forced to be a soldier?

        A fucking military parade?

        (almost) Every country on earth has a military parade once in a while, they are a way to inspire national pride ad give confidence to the population. Especially in time of war/almost war.

        > They have no choice: Between surrendering and lose their sense of national pride and patriotism, being subject to become “conquered people” and even the possibility of losing their cherished freedom against the hope of liberating their families and themselves from occupied rule, the choice can only be clear.

        National pride… from sixteen ears old students of a country that REFUSED to have a military ‘couse paying off whoever came around was “cheaper”.

        But well, maybe.

        Patriotism… have you seen any indication that even one of the kids wants to “liberate” JIOR?

        And we STILL have not seen Dorussia being the uber Nazi nation that kill everyone they don’t like and put every one of their “enemies” or “conquered people” in death camps, so until we do I’m calling the one who had the “brilliant” idea “stupid”.

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      8. You really do lack an understanding of world affairs. Do you realise that there are communist states with a conspicuous military presence, but to which businesses are flocking towards to invest?

        The principle of investment is to make money. It is as simple as that. If a communist state accommodates such pursuits, it is brutally obvious that certain groups of people would profit. Profiting ‘is’ getting rich.

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      9. @Actus

        You are talking about investors outside, investing on the country. Not the ones inside, communist citizens.

        And you glossed over the fact that the kids are not investors. And that as “conquered people”, they’re, at best, just 2nd class citizens.

        @Yuu
        >> Militaristic rule IS a trademark of communist rule.
        > Not true.

        > While it’s true that most, or all, communist countries where militaristic, beying militaristic doesn’t mean communist.
        > And Dorussia is a Military federation, meaning they are together just for the military thing, so obviously they are gonna look militaristic.
        > Let just look at how much USA spends on “defence” alone, how they brag about having the most powerful military on Earth, how many war/almost war are they engaged on.
        > But they are not communists…

        Look, USA don’t force their kids to go to miliatry school. In a miliatristic/communist rule, they are forced to either do or serve service time.

        >> No one gets rich in a communist country unless they leave, or is rich already.

        > In a good, well done communist society there is no rich. But reality is different, still, even in a flawed communist there are ways to get “rich”, political power and connections do make miracles…

        Which the kids can have? Of course not. No one in occupied JIOR can because Dorssia won’t recognize that.

        >> If ep4 is any indication, military servitude is what awaits them, unless they all become like L-ELF.

        > Why? What happened in ep4 that suggested every child was gonna forced to be a soldier?

        > A fucking military parade?

        > (almost) Every country on earth has a military parade once in a while, they are a way to inspire national pride ad give confidence to the population. Especially in time of war/almost war.

        You just ignored the basic things Communist/Militarisic countries do when they invade a country, everything that happen in Earth’s entire history.

        What? You expect Dorssia to do “Welcome former JOIR citizens” and throw a party?

        > They have no choice: Between surrendering and lose their sense of national pride and patriotism, being subject to become “conquered people” and even the possibility of losing their cherished freedom against the hope of liberating their families and themselves from occupied rule, the choice can only be clear.

        > National pride… from sixteen ears old students of a country that REFUSED to have a military ‘couse paying off whoever came around was “cheaper”.
        > But well, maybe.

        IRL we can use Japan as an example, with Japan having no proper army. They pay and agree to have US do it instead. Neutrality through payments is JIOR’s angle.

        > Patriotism… have you seen any indication that even one of the kids wants to “liberate” JIOR?

        Isn’t the reason they’re declaring independence is to do just that and prevent Dorssia harming their parents and make ARUS help them? We’ve said it a lot of times already.

        > And we STILL have not seen Dorussia being the uber Nazi nation that kill everyone they don’t like and put every one of their “enemies” or “conquered people” in death camps, so until we do I’m calling the one who had the “brilliant” idea “stupid”.

        And no, I’m not calling them Nazis, I’m calling them Communist. Big difference. They’re arresting and gathering people too, especially the men in invaded regions(ep4). But, who am I kidding: both are just plain bad. And yes no killing, but at best they are a “conquered people” with limited rights and (or no)freedom at all. And that’s bad enough.

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      10. And thus we came to the focal point.

        How do you KNOW that they are Comunist, that they force children to join military, they are gonna be total bitches to JIOR, etc…

        I’m not saying they absolutely aren’t, but until they tell thus is so I’m reserving the right to doubt, Innocent until proven guilty.

        > IRL we can use Japan as an example, with Japan having no proper army. They pay and agree to have US do it instead. Neutrality through payments is JIOR’s angle.

        JDF?

        Being bullied by whoever comes around whit a minimal fire-power does wonders to national pride…

        > What? You expect Dorssia to do “Welcome former JOIR citizens” and throw a party?

        No, but yet I’m not expecting they slaughter wholesale, or at least not until they show/tell me they are doing it.

        > Isn’t the reason they’re declaring independence is to do just that and prevent Dorssia harming their parents and make ARUS help them? We’ve said it a lot of times already.

        preventing harm to your family is NOT patriotism, or wanting to defend your country.

        End line:

        If Sunrise did teach me something it was that things aren’t always what they seem, there is always the other side of the coin, there are no “absolutely bad” guys, just bad guys and “badder” guys.

        And while they are trying, and failing, to make Dorussia look like the “most badder” guys on earth,or space, I’m not sold on that just yet.

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      11. @Moondoggie

        (You are talking about investors outside, investing on the country. Not the ones inside, communist citizens.)

        Please… – http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20industries_filter:China_filter:All%20states

        I see self-made people everywhere.

        (And you glossed over the fact that the kids are not investors. And that as “conquered people”, they’re, at best, just 2nd class citizens.)

        You are placing your bias into your judgment. There is no indication whatsoever that the citizens are badly treated. Sure they were rounded up, but this is to be expected in any war. Do you expect them to go around and allow potential retaliation to remain in hiding?

        (Look, USA don’t force their kids to go to miliatry school. In a miliatristic/communist rule, they are forced to either do or serve service time.)

        Please… (again) There is no indication that they are being forced to go to military school. There is only an indication that there is such a thing as a special military school. If that is what you are meaning, then I suppose you have never heard of ‘West Point’.

        (Which the kids can have? Of course not. No one in occupied JIOR can because Dorssia won’t recognize that.)

        See forbes list above and note the number of self-made people.

        (IRL we can use Japan as an example, with Japan having no proper army. They pay and agree to have US do it instead. Neutrality through payments is JIOR’s angle.)

        JDF, exactly. You do realise that the Americans have been in Japan due to WW2?

        (Isn’t the reason they’re declaring independence is to do just that and prevent Dorssia harming their parents and make ARUS help them? We’ve said it a lot of times already.)

        Concur with what Yuu mentioned.
        Other than that, there is a lack of information as to the circumstances of JIOR’s surrender. If it means total annexation, then there can be no country to be ‘patriotic’ to as JIOR is effectively a part of Dorssia. It is more like a rebellion.

        (And no, I’m not calling them Nazis, I’m calling them Communist. Big difference. They’re arresting and gathering people too, especially the men in invaded regions(ep4). But, who am I kidding: both are just plain bad. And yes no killing, but at best they are a “conquered people” with limited rights and (or no)freedom at all. And that’s bad enough.)

        Again, are you expecting Dorssia to permit everyone to roam around freely? What Dorssia has done is pretty much what the US has done in different countries in the Middle East (setting up check-points and patrolling around and the sort). If you are saying that the US is not close to what Dorssia has done, then you are obviously applying double-standards.

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      12. @Yuu
        > And thus we came to the focal point.
        > How do you KNOW that they are Comunist, that they force children to join military, they are gonna be total bitches to JIOR, etc…
        > I’m not saying they absolutely aren’t, but until they tell thus is so I’m reserving the right to doubt, Innocent until proven guilty.

        They attacked and invaded a NEUTRAL country, a country who declares neutrality and even pays Dorssia to be left alone. Attacking and invading JOIR with one sided-malice is a very accepted idea that screams “bad”. Proven Guilty.

        > JDF? Being bullied by whoever comes around whit a minimal fire-power does wonders to national pride…

        JSDF, you mean. It’s hardly even an army like US or China’s. It’s even under US influence and monitoring so to hide under US’ nuclear defense, in case of nuclear war between with China or Nokor.

        “Having renounced war, the possession of war potential, the right of belligerency, and the possession of nuclear weaponry, Japan held the view that it should possess only the minimum defense necessary to face external threats.” – wikipedia

        > If Sunrise did teach me something it was that things aren’t always what they seem, there is always the other side of the coin, there are no “absolutely bad” guys, just bad guys and “badder” guys.

        You are clearly overrating this show for the hype you heard, and expect it to be “one of the shows that has “things aren’t always what they seem, there is always the other side of the coin, there are no ‘absolutely bad’ guys, just bad guys and ‘badder’ guys…”

        Protip: try to “expect nothing”, try to not compare Valvrave with other Sunrise shows in terms of plot and deployment.

        @Actus

        Please… – http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20industries_filter:China_filter:All%20states

        > I see self-made people everywhere.

        And it isn’t mentioned how they rise to that position, yes? Do you know how much shit they probably had to deal to others? Being rich isn’t as easy, and if you live in somewhere like China, it would probably be worse if you try to start at ground up.

        > You are placing your bias into your judgment. There is no indication whatsoever that the citizens are badly treated. Sure they were rounded up, but this is to be expected in any war. Do you expect them to go around and allow potential retaliation to remain in hiding?

        You just answer your own question, technically. Why did they invade and start unlawfully detaining people, fearing retaliation? Isn’t acknowledging retaliation meaning you acknowledge you did something bad?

        > Please… (again) There is no indication that they are being forced to go to military school. There is only an indication that there is such a thing as a special military school. If that is what you are meaning, then I suppose you have never heard of ‘West Point’.

        So you are saying that a militaristic country/government does not force their kids to go or serve in the military. That doesn’t sound militaristic at all. Meaning you deny Dorssia being militaristic? I thought to see is to believe with you people, since you guys are so quick to say “LOL SHOUKO WAS WASTING WATER BECAUSE WE SAW HER DANCING IN A SPRAY”. So that explanation about the three major powers in the Valvrave universe in episode 2 and that parade in 4 not convincing? Please spare me that double-standard of yours.

        > See forbes list above and note the number of self-made people.

        Your point with a Forbes page that list rich Chinese doesn’t mean a thing. You don’t even know how they got there, like I said.

        > JDF, exactly. You do realise that the Americans have been in Japan due to WW2?

        And JDF is still a “defense force” rather than a proper army such as in other 1st world countries like China, US and Russia.

        > Other than that, there is a lack of information as to the circumstances of JIOR’s surrender. If it means total annexation, then there can be no country to be ‘patriotic’ to as JIOR is effectively a part of Dorssia. It is more like a rebellion.

        See, there’s your problem: You glossed over JIOR and their rights that were unlawfully taken by Dorssia.

        > Again, are you expecting Dorssia to permit everyone to roam around freely? What Dorssia has done is pretty much what the US has done in different countries in the Middle East (setting up check-points and patrolling around and the sort). If you are saying that the US is not close to what Dorssia has done, then you are obviously applying double-standards.

        One, Middle East was harboring terrorists, something JIOR wasn’t doing. Two if Dorssia thought they’re attack was so justified, why detaining and fearing retaliation? Are the people of JIOR terrorist? No.

        And just so you know, I hated Bush for messing up the Middle East and US together with that “fake war” he waged. A total waste of everything just for what? Oil?

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      13. Yes JIOR was a neutral country, that developed the Valvrave.

        Their main target was the Valvrave, to capture everything connected to it, or delete/eliminate, so that it would not used against it.

        I’m not saying invading JIOR was “right” I’m just saying they had a reason that was enough to warrant a full scale invasion on a county without a single soldier, tat was developing a “gundam” like mecha. It’ll noe be a strench ju guess maybe maybe they were meant for ARUS…

        and I’m not saying the Valvrave was, I’m just saying Dorussia could have thought that way.

        but still the senator’s ship being so close as the right time does raise some suspicions.

        > Your point with a Forbes page that list rich Chinese doesn’t mean a thing. You don’t even know how they got there, like I said.

        His point was just that people in “autocratic/communist” countries can GET rich just that.

        > One, Middle East was harboring terrorists, something JIOR wasn’t doing. Two if Dorssia thought they’re attack was so justified, why detaining and fearing retaliation? Are the people of JIOR terrorist? No.

        You know just the night before “someone” stole an experimental mecha, developed on that module, and wiped the floor with Dorussia’s soldiers, so they should take precautions.

        No one in war expects to be understood by their enemies, everyone has their own reason’s, and only self righteous people, like Hitler, would think that invading a country was “right”.

        But still, the deporting of the module’s inhabitant’s bothers me, it could mean something, or it could just be a way the leave black cheque to the kids… but util we know what happened I’m willing to trust Dorussia.

        > So you are saying that a militaristic country/government does not force their kids to go or serve in the military. That doesn’t sound militaristic at all. Meaning you deny Dorssia being militaristic?

        I don’t know whom to make it across, but I’ll try.

        There are no absolutes in the world, forcing kids to go military school doesn’t mean the country is militaristic, almost every country on earth has/had in recent past obligatory levies.

        And Being Militaristic doesn’t mean they force kids to join military school, for some just a culture of national pride is enough to assure people are willing to join up.

        What I/we are saying is just we STILL don’t know if they do or don’t and saying one or now is meaningless.

        When they show us what kind of cold blooded killer Dorusia is I’ll be the first to say the kids were right, but NOW we can’t.

        >> Other than that, there is a lack of information as to the circumstances of JIOR’s surrender. If it means total annexation, then there can be no country to be ‘patriotic’ to as JIOR is effectively a part of Dorssia. It is more like a rebellion.

        >See, there’s your problem: You glossed over JIOR and their rights that were unlawfully taken by Dorssia.

        Here I’ll have to disagree with both.

        Patriotism is loyalty to your country, even if it doesn’t exist any more.
        And when patriotism leads to violent action against the country you are now residing/citizen of now IS rebellion, or terrorism.

        Every war is unlawful.

        and as you are so bothered by the lawful/unlawful, JIOR’s citizen’s right weren’t taken, they were swapped with the right of Dorussia’s citizen’s or Dorussia’s province/conquered nation’s, and we still have to see that they are so lacking, well tbh we haven’t seen ANYTHING at all!

        > And just so you know, I hated Bush for messing up the Middle East and US together with that “fake war” he waged. A total waste of everything just for what? Oil?

        WARNING SARCASM:

        Why are you angry at Bush?
        It wasn’t his fault!
        He just had the idea!
        He was elected by the USA citizens, they elected representatives who agreeded with him, so you should be angry with the whole of US not Bush.

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      14. @Yuu

        Militaristic forms of government always has intergrated the military on the lives of their citizens, not just because they want to, but because it is required of them by the government that they follow.

        Ergo, that goes with schools and/or rendering a minimum number of hours of serving time. An example is in China, though everyone born in Hong Kong may be an exception.

        Speaking of China, the JIOR citizens who are now in occupied JOIR territory doesn’t have the same situation as those rich Chinese that were presented in the Forbes page. Those rich Chinese were probably born rich too. I’d like to think that if there was a similar page in the internet of the Valvrave universe, it would probably show rich, natural Dorssian-citizen and/or aristocrats.

        It’s is also true that war is unlawful. Good that we agree on that.

        But it seems that you ignore it’s unlawfullness and even try to downplay their aggression of JIOR. Replaced their right? No, they aren’t even given the same rights as the Dorssian citizens going so far as locking up the men.

        They(Dorssia) attacked JOIR(unlawfully), with the (unlawful)intent to steal a robot, while(unlawfully)harming JIOR citizens and after that, they (unlawfully)detain the men somewhere.

        And you just turned a blind eye to that?

        As for Bush, he’s an ELECTED leader, the Commander-in-Chief, and the PRESIDENT of US. Therefore the war HE declared, waged and commanded/led is HIS reponsibility.

        It’s not like Shouko was SCP or even an elected member of the SC. She’s just practically someone most people know due to being the series “dorky, genki girl.”

        So yeah, that seems just about right. If you still want to downplay how Dorssia is probably the home of the BIG BAD of this series, despite how the show portrayed them now, that’s your problem.

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    2. >Doesn’t exist? No. The leaders of the Dyson Sphere are the ones who surrendered the sphere. And the Dorssian soldiers claiming JOIR isn’t anymore is exaggerating. JOIR still has Earth states and those still remain JOIR.

      Source? All that was mentioned was that JIOR surrendered.
      A country surrendering has wide implications in that it means that if the surrender was prompted as a result of another country’s invasion, the surrendering country would possibly be annexed. All territories would effectively be part of the invading country.

      If JIOR did not surrender, then I concede that I have misheard what was mentioned in the show.

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      1. > All territories would effectively be part of the invading country.

        True, but that’s the victor’s/invader’s view. If it were to be viewed by an outsider, it would be “JIOR territories controlled be Dorssia” which still rightfully owned by JIOR.

        > A country surrendering has wide implications in that it means that if the surrender was prompted as a result of another country’s invasion

        So we are just going to gloss over JIOR like it didn’t exist since it surrendered the Dyson Sphere. And they say JIOR surrendered, but it wasn’t clear too if it surrendered the whole JIOR or just the invaded Dyson Sphere. So it isn’t safe to assume it was the whole JIOR, which is an impossibly big territory(A large chunck of EA all the way to the ARUS border) to annex.

        So don’t count JIOR out yet: this is “Valvrave: the Liberator” for a reason…

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      2. But still it wouldn’t change that the kids unlawfully appropriated governments priority.
        And with JIOR’s surrender Dorussia had the claim of the module. But as you say I’m not counting JIOR out of the game, they just need someone from the ex government to come aboard and their legal position wild improve from “terrorists” to “government in exile”

        But that still leaves the biggest problem, that this is a “game” of “to kill or to be killed” how are the kids gonna cope with that?

        P.S. Don’t know about the English title, going by the Japanese title it’s revolution and not liberation, but who knows maybe the used it a prelude tu things to come.
        Or it’s just another car of bad English from Japan.

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      4. >Being excited is fine and all but you can’t expect the show to explain everything you want to know now. Just wait patiently for the explanations.

        There are certain things that could await explanation – like the different coloured valvraves for example.

        There are things that cannot be explained by subsequent events. It cannot be explained why in the world Shouko sang jingle bells all of a sudden, neither could it be explained why Shouko declared independence or encouraged water-wasting.

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      5. Haven’t we gone through this already?

        > why in the world Shouko sang jingle bells all of a sudden

        to distract everyone before the matter escalates even more, and it served it’s purpose

        > neither could it be explained why Shouko declared independence

        they have to to stand on the same ground as Dorssia and ARUS to negotiate(or threaten)

        > or encouraged water-wasting

        The pipe got damaged and it was hot. She did’nt even say “YAY, LET’S ALL WASTE WATER!”
        If water-wasting is your concern, you would actually have been picking on the pool instead. Yet I can see you weren’t so I’m calling you on charges of trolling and nitpicking now.

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      6. Is your world view so narrow that you can only associate acts with a proclamation that that act is to occur? Of course, she did not say “let us waste water”, but that does not preclude the fact that she did, indeed, waste water.

        Your knowledge of engineering is slightly lacking as well. A pool is different from a broken pipeline of water because the water in the pool is recycled. The water goes into the system and is filtered, then re-used again. Certainly, extra water is needed to maintain the system, but it such a meager amount cannot be compared with the severe leakage of a broken pipeline. The water from the pipeline is leaking, thereby preventing the water from going to where it is meant to go.

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      7. Is your world view so narrow that you can only associate acts with a proclamation that that act is to occur? Of course, she did not say “let us waste water”, but that does not preclude the fact that she did, indeed, waste water.

        Your knowledge of engineering is slightly lacking as well. A pool is different from a broken pipeline of water because the water in the pool is recycled. The water goes into the system and is filtered, then re-used again. Certainly, extra water is needed to maintain the system, but it such a meager amount cannot be compared with the severe leakage of a broken pipeline. The water from the pipeline is leaking, thereby preventing the water from going to where it is meant to go.

        First with regards to what is stated and what isn’t: Right back at you with regards to why isn’t Shouko a leader, or why it isn’t mentioned why was such.

        Second, see https://randomc.net/2013/05/11/kakumeiki-valvrave-05/comment-page-1/#comment-973222

        The Moondoggie
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      8. That can be distinguished from this case. In a space station, there is no gravity. In the module, here, gravity is present.

        Other than that, the amount of water spilt here is on an entirely different scale than in a space station. The space station has a very small supply when compared to the module. It isn’t like the pipe is overflowing with that much water as in the episode.

        Actus
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      9. > That can be distinguished from this case. In a space station, there is no gravity. In the module, here, gravity is present.

        How is gravity related to that? Water displaced doesn’t just dissapear and stop being “water”. If you don’t get the logic, the water on the ground evaporated, which will then enter de-humidifying process.

        The Moondoggie
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      11. Why are you linking me to a site where I need to buy an access to read an article? :/

        Anyway the article seems to be about the effects of gravity on evaporation, both “under microgravity and normal gravity conditions.”

        Mind you just explain? And why does it matter inside a normal gravity environment?

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  61. A LOT of the issues being brought up last week are being explained or resolved in this episode. Waiting for the show to explain itself will be the wiser choice when watching Valvrave. We have plently of time, having all those questions answered all at once will only make the show less interesting.

    All I can say is, I’m looking forward to the next episode.

    Being cynical to a fault has it’s troubles too.

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  63. >So don’t count JIOR out yet: this is “Valvrave: the Liberator” for a reason…

    There is no need to physically take over every single inch of the country. It is enough if the leaders and the government headquarters are captured and occupied, respectively.

    And if ‘valvrave the liberator’ is any indication (and truly, what a rare word to use), it is merely a name. There is no true value in names – William the Conqueror only took over England, yet his name sounds grander than Alexander the Great, for example.

    Actus
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    2. You don’t see it don’t you? The show’s name IS implying where the plot is headed.

      > Valvrave: The Liberator
      > Dorssia invades JIOR
      > JIOR kids gets hold of the Valvrave

      Presumably this means that the plot will try to have the kids use Valvrave to liberate occupied JIOR.

      The Moondoggie
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    4. You seems to haven’t seen, or completely forgot “Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion”.

      Titles have meaning and plot twist directs the plot to the intended path. Why did you even raise the topic of plot twist anyway?

      The Moondoggie
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  64. How does taking on responsibility inhibit free expression and demonise independent thought? In all constitutions around the world, the right to freedom of expression is an easily qualified right.

    How about explaining why Shoko needs to take responsibility for her peers?

    Also, being a high school student does not entitle one to be naive and be irresponsible.

    But it happens. You know, because they’re young and still learning and this is only the fifth episode.

    Black Cat
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    1. …because she had the idea and got them all into this mess?

      And that’s when teenagers are in a slice-of-life high school drama, not in a serious sci-fi show where the teenagers fight for their lives in a war between two major factions. That just makes them hard to root for because they clearly don’t know what they’re doing.

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      1. Says another person who conveniently ignores that they voted on a decision.

        Look when they make it clear that Shoko is in fact in a leadership position on the module I’ll hold her more accountable. Right now her burden of responsibility is the same as everyone else’s bar Haruto.

        Black Cat
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      2. She gave them two seconds to decide before she explained any of the details, so of course they’re going to choose the idealistic choice that she built up as the best possible solution WITH NO EVIDENCE. She brought up the idea, so she should be held accountable and expected to have a follow up plan, not hocking it off to other people. Especially when she is actually MAKING THINGS WORSE for the people that are actually trying to make her plan work (wasting their water, not calming down the crowd when they started to get riled up).

        Last episode I saw people saying she had leadership qualifications because she was the daughter of the Prime Minister. Now people are saying that she doesn’t have to lead. If she came up with the idea that risks everyone’s lives, THEN SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SEEING IT THROUGH.

        Da5id
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      3. There you go giving her authoritative power she clearly doesn’t have. It was up for debate ergo why they showed the reactions of different students. If someone had the presence of mind to say “Wait bitch” there was nothing stopping them but their own weak will (Council President).

        And let’s stop pretending the water pipe bursting was a deliberate screw up on her part or that all the contents of the sealed cup of noodles spilled on the floor.

        Last episode I saw people saying she had leadership qualifications because she was the daughter of the Prime Minister. Now people are saying that she doesn’t have to lead. If she came up with the idea that risks everyone’s lives, THEN SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SEEING IT THROUGH.

        I couldn’t care less about this. It was fairly obvious to me that ep. 4 was simply meant to show her potential to influence. This episode showed she still has progress to make but why people are treating that stupid cat fight like it was the end of the world I do not know.

        Black Cat
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      4. Except it wasn’t up for debate. It was just “HEY WE SHOULD DECLARE INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE!” and since the writers couldn’t think of anything to go after that “because” and wanted everyone to go along with it, everyone went along with it.

        And I’m not giving her power, I’m saying if she starts a mess, she needs to clean it up. Instead she’s letting the people who you yourself called weak-willed run her own plan because she couldn’t think it through. What kind of sense does that make?! Ergo, this whole plan is full of holes and not worth justifying.

        And I think you’re misinterpreting people’s reactions. They’re not saying the water pipe thing was deliberate, they’re calling it stupid. They’re not calling the catfight the end of the world, they’re calling it the only time so far that someone has called Shouko on her bullshit.

        Da5id
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      5. Except it wasn’t up for debate. It was just “HEY WE SHOULD DECLARE INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE!” and since the writers couldn’t think of anything to go after that “because” and wanted everyone to go along with it, everyone went along with it.

        They were given a moment to think about and voice their opinions (yay or nay). The majority was in favor. How about you actually acknowledge that instead of putting forth your fictional ideas about what the writers couldn’t think of.

        And I’m not giving her power, I’m saying if she starts a mess, she needs to clean it up. Instead she’s letting the people who you yourself called weak-willed run her own plan because she couldn’t think it through. What kind of sense does that make?! Ergo, this whole plan is full of holes and not worth justifying.

        You’re just regurgitating the same thing without actually acknowledging what I’m saying. People were giving their opinions ergo they were given the opportunity to object. And no, being weak willed is not an exemption from personal responsibility so don’t even go there. Yes, the plan is flawed that was the whole point of this episode.

        They’re not saying the water pipe thing was deliberate, they’re calling it stupid.

        They’re calling it stupid because they consider the whole independence idea stupid. So everything the students do will be considered stupid from here on out. That Otamaya was trying to use the machine to help move stuff will be ignored. As will the mention of repair and demolition squads. Or anything that shows the students seriously trying to be independent.

        They’re not calling the catfight the end of the world, they’re calling it the only time so far that someone has called Shouko on her bullshit.

        Uh, no. The complaints were mostly directed at her inability to break up the fight. A fight that had no bearing on their survival. Meanwhile outside, we have an active search for a fix w/ a nice supportive group of students that gets completely ignored most likely because it was something positive.

        Black Cat
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      6. Are you seriously telling me a moment is enough time to contemplate a situation like this? Whether she intended it or not, Shouko was using their desperation to get them to make a split decision on something they did not understand (and it’s starting to look like she didn’t either). No way was any of them in their right mind when they agreed to that. Either that or the writers weren’t.

        I’m regurgitating because nothing you said deterred my point. And I’m not saying weak will should exempt people from leading, but if Shouko’s strong willed enough to get most people to go along with this AND she’s the one who came up with this whole thing, WHY IS SHE NOT PART OF THE LEADERSHIP? Why is she just hocking her plan onto people who are far less influential than her and cannot read her mind as to what the long-term goals are?

        Why SHOULDN’T they think it’s stupid? They’re a bunch of teenagers in school floating through space indefinitely during a war, and clearly do not know what the hell they’ve gotten into, including the one who presented the idea in the first place. What about that does not scream stupid?

        Da5id
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      7. Are you seriously telling me a moment is enough time to contemplate a situation like this? Whether she intended it or not, Shouko was using their desperation to get them to make a split decision on something they did not understand (and it’s starting to look like she didn’t either). No way was any of them in their right mind when they agreed to that. Either that or the writers weren’t.

        If they wanted more time to think on it people could’ve brought that up. Let’s not play dumb. I also like how you say “using their desperation” as if Shoko was somehow not in the same predicament as them.

        I’m regurgitating because nothing you said deterred my point. And I’m not saying weak will should exempt people from leading, but if Shouko’s strong willed enough to get most people to go along with this AND she’s the one who came up with this whole thing, WHY IS SHE NOT PART OF THE LEADERSHIP? Why is she just hocking her plan onto people who are far less influential than her and cannot read her mind as to what the long-term goals are?

        Or you’re playing stupid because you like circular arguments. Did it ever occur to you that she didn’t have much of a say in things once everything calmed down? That maybe she didn’t want to seem presumptuous and relegate herself as leader? That maybe she was just as desperate as all the other teenagers there? The only point you seem to have is that Shoko should be held to a higher standard because she’s the first to offer an alternative to L-Elf’s fear mongering (something you conveniently ignore).

        Why SHOULDN’T they think it’s stupid? They’re a bunch of teenagers in school floating through space indefinitely during a war, and clearly do not know what the hell they’ve gotten into, including the one who presented the idea in the first place. What about that does not scream stupid?

        You pretty much just answered your own questions. They’re teenagers. Not exactly prone to actively thinking of themselves as stupid to begin with.

        Black Cat
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      8. They had no time to bring it up. It was do or die. And Shouko being in the same predicament or not is irrelevant to what she did or how she did it.

        Oh yeah, it’s definitely MY problem. Ever heard of an Ad Hominem? And if these “what ifs” were true, then these are things the story needs to connect the dots on, especially when they could be explained in line or two of dialogue and only hurt the story by not being filled in.

        Haruto: Hey Shouko, why aren’t working with the Student Council on helping organize the students? It was you who got everyone to go along with this.

        Shouko: Eh, I’m more a people person. I figure I’d be able to do better work out here with everyone else.

        IT’S. THAT. SIMPLE.

        And the reason I don’t bring up L-Elf is because I’ve already made the point elsewhere that the kids (especially Haruto and his group) should at least be THE SLIGHTEST BIT CONCERNED that someone from the enemy faction is wandering around their module and they have no way of stopping him.

        Being a teenager does not give a character, especially a MAIN character, the go-ahead to be an idiot ALL THE DAMN TIME. Or at the very least, not without having an older character there to tell him he screwed up (but the two adults we have don’t seem to be doing that either).

        Da5id
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      9. Stop.Right.There.

        You could have saved us all the trouble, you know, if you have admitted to it earlier:

        “I’m distrubed by the lack of spoonfeeding and that I find the plot stupid…”

        Yes, because we can’t answer that. There is no answer if one man finds another’s idea stupid, because he’s already clouded by paradigms of his own weaving. So yeah, you right. It’s not the show’s problem: it’s yours.

        B.C. should just give up on you.

        The Moondoggie
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      10. …you’re aware of the concept of sarcasm, right? Because when I said “Oh yeah, it’s definitely MY problem.”, that would be a prime example.

        You may also need to look into the difference between spoon-feeding and disseminating crucial information, something this show fails to do.

        Now are we going to start this whole song and dance again?

        Da5id
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      11. >You may also need to look into the difference between spoon-feeding and disseminating crucial information, something this show fails to do.

        Crucial information is what we need to know, not what we want to know. Big difference. When you are asking “why is Shouko not the leader”, you are asking for something that is relatively unimportant to the plot. Maybe you feel that it is to you, but the show, and the rest of us who either can come-up with our own answers or just flatly don’t care, don’t. That is why it’s YOUR problem and not the show’s. Why isn’t she the leader? Why doesn’t she take responsibility? Why should we really care unless she is actually lazing about like some of the other kids? Why should she be put responsible when everyone agreed to it anyway?

        > …you’re aware of the concept of sarcasm, right? Because when I said “Oh yeah, it’s definitely MY problem.”, that would be a prime example.

        Right, because we can all read sarcasm without indicators(/sarc) or without hearing the trademark tone for sarcasm.

        The Moondoggie
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      12. >They had no time to bring it up. It was do or die. And Shouko being in the same predicament or not is irrelevant to what she did or how she did it.

        There were at least four different lines of dialogue in support. You only need to alter a few to get across the idea of an objection.

        “That might actually work.”
        “What if they call our bluff?”
        “They wouldn’t dare!”
        “Who’s willing to risk their family on that?”

        So please stop with the whole no time to object nonsense. Hard not to belittle your argument when you clearly don’t extend me the same courtesy.

        And the fact that you are giving the student body an emotional pass while saying Shoko’s state of mind doesn’t matter at all is not helping your cause.

        >And if these “what ifs” were true, then these are things the story needs to connect the dots on, especially when they could be explained in line or two of dialogue and only hurt the story by not being filled in.

        They only hurt the story if you made a number of assumptions, based on nothing, in the previous episode. Fact is, they did not vote on a leader; they voted on a plan of action.

        >Being a teenager does not give a character, especially a MAIN character, the go-ahead to be an idiot ALL THE DAMN TIME.

        Way to exaggerate. Also wonderful of you to not get the “coming of age” aspect of making the main characters teenagers.

        Anyway, I should have known this discussion would be pointless when you mentioned this earlier:

        And that’s when teenagers are in a slice-of-life high school drama, not in a serious sci-fi show where the teenagers fight for their lives in a war between two major factions.

        Clearly, we’re on completely different wavelengths when it comes down on how to interpret this show. My bad, sorry to waste your time.

        Black Cat
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      13. @ Moondoggie

        I guess we have differing definitions of what is crucial information, but based on previous conversations, you’ve shown to not really expect that much from shows. And if you’re unsure of what may or may not be sarcasm, maybe you should consider it before you jump the gun.

        Now, if you’re that eager to never interact with me again, how about you lead by example?

        @ Black Cat

        If you’re that quick to determine a discussion pointless just because of an differing interpretation, I think it’s me who wasted your time. You have a good night.

        Da5id
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      14. > I guess we have differing definitions of what is crucial information,

        Yes, I guess we do. But do you have a problem with that as well?

        > but based on previous conversations, you’ve shown to not really expect that much from shows.

        And so you fell for another hype, then call the show stupid and and get angry when opposed, when it didn’t fit and you think it failed you. I LOL. And I’ll bet you’ll fall for the same ruse the next time(probably for FREE since the hype is at Kyoani’s.) So where is that intelligence you want me to respect again?

        > And if you’re unsure of what may or may not be sarcasm, maybe you should consider it before you jump the gun.

        Nope, I think the responsibility lies with you for people to understand that what you have written is a sarcasm. You ask why?(LOL)

        > Now, if you’re that eager to never interact with me again, how about you lead by example?

        I was just reading the post up until you admit that you find the show(or plot or Shouko) stupid. And that’s when I realize Black Cat was like a dog barking on a fire hydrant.

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    2. @Blackcat

      Sure they voted on a plan of action, but that does not mean that the plan of action had no leader. Try making a business proposal in a company and it subsequently fails. See if the person who proposed it could escape responsibility even though he/she may not be the leader of the company. Other than that, there is no indication that the decision is unanimous.

      Coming of age does not entitle a person to be irresponsible or be an idiot. At that age, Warren Buffet was busy expanding his business, and Bill Gates busy indulging on his computer programming. That is not being an idiot. That is a ‘coming of age’ as you coin it.

      @Moondoggie

      It is that difficult to fathom why Shouko being the leader is important to the plot? She led the students and initiated the proposal. Even if it is unimportant (which it isn’t), why can it not be raised? The devil is in the details.

      “Why should she be put responsible when everyone agreed to it anyway?”
      If that is the case (Warning: “sarcasm” used), I suppose people could vote for a mayor/president/Member of Parliament/Senator/etc and if that person abuses that power, that person should not be held responsible.

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      1. It feels like you are so unfamiliar with democracy. It also feels lke when you vote for a leader, you push all the responsibilities on the guy and leave it at that. That’s not the essence of teamwork and responsible voting at all!

        Let’s be frank: Shouko can’t be a leader. One look and everyone can deduce “this girl has 0 leadership skills!”

        The people voting and the one nominating both has responsibilities. You guys are trying to push a role on someone who is unfit for it simply because she presented an idea that everyone agreed to.

        Even in a corporate environment, the one presenting/proposing a project isn’t always the one ending up to be project leader.

        The Moondoggie
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      2. Sure they voted on a plan of action, but that does not mean that the plan of action had no leader. Try making a business proposal in a company and it subsequently fails. See if the person who proposed it could escape responsibility even though he/she may not be the leader of the company. Other than that, there is no indication that the decision is unanimous.

        The students weren’t even remotely as organized, or the situation as complex, as what you’re trying to compare it to. And as far as the company angle goes there are numerous explanations that could explain a plan’s failure that go beyond blaming whoever came up with the idea (that’s a myth created by a lot bad fiction).

        Unanimous or no, the idiot complaining clearly agreed to it and thus had no business trying to shrug off blame. Her annoyance with Shoko’s weak reassurances was much more empathetic.

        Coming of age does not entitle a person to be irresponsible or be an idiot. At that age, Warren Buffet was busy expanding his business, and Bill Gates busy indulging on his computer programming. That is not being an idiot. That is a ‘coming of age’ as you coin it.

        Hardly my point. “Coming of age” was referring to the storytelling method. This would include the phases of the character before they started reaching their potential including when they are irresponsible and “being stupid”.

        Black Cat
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  65. Haruto wants to keep the other Valvraves a secret because Valvrave had made him unique and relevant. Caring about other people being transformed by the mech is a coverup for this feeling.

    I believe (and hope) that’s where the show is going with this because it would give Haruto some depth of personality. It’s a very human way to feel and the show’s plot twist will likely focus on when when this ultimately happens to Haruto where he must define his relevancy again.

    gene
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    1. Now THAT would be a genuine twist. A bit dark, but it would give him some actual motive.

      “People aren’t going to accept me because I won’t be special and everyone else will be able to do the things I do”

      as opposed to

      “People aren’t going to accept me because I’m a monster even there’s been practically no downsides to me having these powers”

      It’d be much more believable for Haruto to believe that Shouko wouldn’t like him because he thinks he’s not good or special enough instead of this ham-handed “the person I feel closest to will hate me because I have powers”. If Haruto sincerely believes Shouko won’t like him at least as a friend just because of his powers, then either he just doesn’t trust her for some reason for some reason or Shouko is a bad friend. And apparently he trusts his friends more than her, so that’s pointing more towards the first option.

      Da5id
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    2. Could it be possible that Haruto’s behaviour displays some… LOGIC? Impossible… By making himself the most powerful on the module he can be the sole decision-maker. No in-fraction fights between students. All hail Haruto!

      SherrisLok
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    3. This has a lot of interesting potential and it would be a nice contrast to how he was in ep. 1. It also beats giving him character development in the usual contrived manner (important person dies, uh oh, darkness and despair).

      Black Cat
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  66. > I couldn’t care less about this. It was fairly obvious to me that ep. 4 was simply meant to show her potential to influence.

    Who said “from great power comes great responsibilities?”

    >This episode showed she still has progress to make but why people are treating that stupid cat fight like it was the end of the world I do not know.

    It’s not the fight in it self that’s the problem.

    It’s how she dealt with it, by singing Jingle Bells…

    This is just the first time they put the blame on her, deserved or not is not the issue, and it certainly won’t be the last, so is she going to keep singing Jingle bells the whole anime?

    P.S.
    >Last episode I saw people saying she had leadership qualifications because she was the daughter of the Prime Minister.

    THIS!

    More than Code Geass or Gundam this show is the carbon copy of Starship Operators, plus a body switching vampire.

    I’m sad do few people know of it…

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    3. It’s how she dealt with it, by singing Jingle Bells…

      Ok, this I will not argue against. I suspect this was to show how odd/off kilter she can be but it was understandably jarring even if I did get the idea behind it (exercise to warm up). If they’re going to play up the idea that she’s a little weird they need to be a bit more careful about it.

      Black Cat
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  67. Went back to ep2 5:24, the Dorussian soldier says that JIOR homeland has already surrendered, without conditions.

    And ep 4 00:40, doesn’t the ARUS congressman/president says that once they had the Valvrave they would star the war on Dorussia?

    Doesn’t that mean ARUS wasn’t waring with Dorussia?

    Now IF Shouko did think so far ahead and a couple of eps in her father turns in, then I’ll have to admit I misjudged her…

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  70. Wait can someone answer me this… Why do they need money and/or donations? They seem to be just taking things from the stores and I doubt Dorrosia and ARUS will just let carriers through to give them food… Unless they have some sort of teleportation device then OK. So what’s the real point of the donations?

    aimless
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    1. ARUS isn’t much of a problem right now: forced to help the kids and is pretty occupied with Dorssia. They’re gonna let those supply ships in.

      Dorssia however… well, one look at A-drei and you can guess their answer to entering supply ships. LOL.

      The Moondoggie
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      1. Wait, why would ARUS be more likely to give them supplies? As far as the kids are concerned, they’re just as bad as Dorssia.

        And even if they were open to giving the kids supplies, why charge them for it? Their stance is “we have the war-winning robot, we make the rules”.

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      2. Best guess? Because they never thought of leeching supplies from ARUS and the first thought that came to them is “we should buy our own supplies”.

        Best thing that they(did not) thought actually. Paying for their own supplies won’t make them look like they’re leeching off everthing from threathening ARUS, while putting pressure on ARUS heads because the donations came from their own citizens.

        The Moondoggie
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      3. Since when is ‘donations’ for supposed citizens in need not ‘leeching’ off others? I suppose state aid – the act of giving economically disadvantaged country money – is not leeching as well, if that is your logic since all that is given is ‘money’.

        (Sarcasm:) Of course, purchasing supplies from others using money given by those very ‘other’ people is not leeching!

        Actus
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      4. Freeloading/Leeching =/= given donations and accepting them

        Freeloading/Leeching has the target being coerced into giving the wanted supplies, etc.
        The kids were just given donations and didn’t force ARUS citizens(not the government) from giving them cash.

        The cash was freely given to them by their supporters in occupied JIOR or ARUS.

        The Moondoggie
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      5. And that is precisely what is leeching!

        If a child is not making capital in a self-sustaining manner in ensuring its own survival, then it is in all regards, leeching off its parents if it is dependent on the parents. It does not matter whether consent is given for the child to use the money/assets/etc. The child is diminishing the parents’ existing assets, and that is all that is required ‘to leech’.

        Actus
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      6. Did you just call parenting “leeching”? You clearly have no idea what “leeching” is. So you’ll admit leeching of your parents when it was their duty to take care of you? How cold, shrugging off your parents’ love just to sound edgy.

        The Moondoggie
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    2. I actually wondered this too. It’s only been a week and it seems the only ones on the module are the school residents so it seems a bit soon for them to be hurting for supplies. They could just be planning ahead but from a story perspective that seems too simple. I like the idea someone had that Dorsia would hack the account and steal the money.

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  71. Going by this week’s comments…it looks like any attempts to apply logic to this show (ie question anything) are met with extreme prejudice.

    But yeah, it’s not like there’s any “AWOL Module Gas Stations” out in the depths of space and they’re in a stalemate with both sides. Why ask for money when there’s no way to spend it?

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  72. That seems rather…overcomplicating things. They’d be basically throwing the money they’re being given by down-trodden JIOR citizens to ARUS to get supplies that they could just as easily threaten for. Plus, by buying them, they’re putting ARUS in a position of power over them. At that point, ARUS could just refuse to give them supplies after a certain point and say “give us the robot or you all starve”.

    Captain Sunshine
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    2. That’s how ARUS’s government is supposed to act… Provided they aren’t in pressure BY their own citizens who support the kids AND with elections in ARUS coming up(ep4).

      You do know how politicians play it during elections, don’t you?

      The Moondoggie
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      1. But this isn’t an election. This is basically a giant protest with a the equivalent of a nuke as the only bargaining chip. And as far as we know, ARUS might not have anyone in their country that supports the kids or might not even allow them to send money.

        A lot of this is up in the air right now, and I’ll admit we could get answers regarding all our questions somewhere along the line, but a lot of the bases regarding this situation have still not been covered and we’re already this deep. I think the main issue people are taking with this whole thing is just the fact that they’re pulling something as big as this so soon in the story when we’re barely acquainted with most of the characters, the politics, or the world in general, so it’s hard to side with the kids when we haven’t seen any reason to believe they can handle it. This seems more like something that’d be put out after the halfway point after everything’s been properly introduced and developed, not right out of the gate. They’re simply going for too big too fast, in my opinion.

        Captain Sunshine
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      2. > But this isn’t an election. This is basically a giant protest with a the equivalent of a nuke as the only bargaining chip.

        When I was talking about elections, I was talking about what one of the people in the White House of ARUS said about elections at ARUS coming up.

        > And as far as we know, ARUS might not have anyone in their country that supports the kids or might not even allow them to send money.

        They mentioned that in the same scene:

        ARUS Leader 1: “They are gathering support though, even among our people.”

        ARUS Leader 2: “The elections are coming up soon, so we ought to secure their votes”

        If you have a copy of the subs, fast forward to 5:00 for the start of their argument on how to deal with “the kids”.

        The Moondoggie
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      3. Huh, forgot about that. Well, hopefully we’ll get into a bit more than that next episode than just a couple lines. Either way, the whole thing just seems rushed, both in-story and out.

        Captain Sunshine
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  73. >…they’re pulling something as big as this so soon in the story when we’re barely acquainted with most of the characters, the politics, or the world in general, so it’s hard to side with the kids when we haven’t seen any reason to believe they can handle it. <

    Maybe the kids being able to handle it isn't ultimately the point of this storyline. Rather it provides a setting that pushes the characters to develop a certain way; Shoko developing leadership skills (or dying), Saki (and others) being motivated to pilot, Haruto having to rely on L-Elf (or alternatively the conflict between them building up). I suspect this arc will end once those things are settled or given some development. They could also use this as a means of giving us more insight into the politics of Dorssia and ARUS as the two decide on a course of action. Though I don't hold much hope for that last one.

    Black Cat
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    1. Shoko dying AGAIN? Yeah, THAT’LL be good for development.

      My point is that we should’ve gotten to know the characters in a stable status-quo, like being in school that’s NOT part of a galactic protest or something like that BEFORE we were put in this sort of situation. Having something like this right off the bat when it already has so many holes and not nearly enough explained doesn’t exactly foretell a promising future for this series.

      Captain Sunshine
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      1. On Shoko dying, I’d rather they not go with that particular angle again, tbh. But it is a possibility so I’m keeping it in mind.

        You’re an odd duck on that account. Most places I’ve been people were not enthused about that aspect of the show when it was first announced, so I’m not surprised they spent so little time on it. They probably think this angle is more interesting. I agree on your point though.

        I’m into this show more for it’s bizarre-ness than anything else.

        Black Cat
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