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Gundam 00 Second Season – 16


After having seized control of an orbital elevator, Pang Hercule addresses all the people who are stuck there and introduces himself. He claims that his only goal is to inform the world of A-LAWS’s brutality and put the issue to the people. Telling them of the Federation’s lies and atrocities, he declares that he and his men serve to protect the citizens, and their mission is to right the wrong government and troops. Back on Earth, the Federation government puts out a message that these anti-government forces are demanding the dissolution of parliament and the release of thousands of anti-government activists. The Federation, however, refuses to bow to terrorism and has already dispatched A-LAWS. Watching this on his TV, Sergei knows that what the Federation is saying is a lie. He then remembers what Pang Hercule had once said about the orbital elevator and the solar energy generation system opening up mankind’s future. Hercule had believed that much of the strife in the world was rooted in energy problems, and if those were solved, then people could concentrate on food and environmental problems. Sergei, however, had pointed out that the group of nations that possessed orbital elevators would build up their arsenals in the name of defense, and Holly noted that this could lead to a cold war. Hercule, however, had trusted in the people, the government, and the military to cooperate and gradually unite the world. These memories are interrupted by a call from Sergei’s commanding officer who has a secret mission for him.

Over at A-LAWS headquarters, Homer Katagiri worries that the anti-government movement will spread if it’s made public that the regular military forces are behind this coup. Arthur Goodman, however, reports that the installation work on the orbital ring is almost done, and he heads off into space to take command. Watching all of this unfold are Nena, Wang Liu Mei, and Hong Long in space. When Hong Long questions if this coup will change the world, Wang Liu Mei suggests that it’s the beginning of the end, and Hong Long wonders if that’s what she wants. The Ptolemaios crew meanwhile has figured out that the coup is why A-LAWS withdrew from the earlier attack. Sumeragi is hesitant to help the coup because she’s not sure why the Innovators hadn’t noticed this even though they control Veda, but she knows that to get at what the Innovators are plotting, they have to go towards the Africa tower. Plus, she thinks that Setsuna will be headed in that direction too. While the Ptolemaios is en route, A-LAWS starts to take action up in space. They first send a group of Automatons into the station, so Hercule’s men use the station’s defenses against them. This destroys a number of the robots, but several more get through, and one of them accesses the station’s surveillance system. Around this same time, a large number of Katharon units join the coup units. Hercule is then alerted to the appearance of a single blue Tieren, and he realizes that it’s being piloted by Sergei.

Still at sea are Kati’s forces, and she’s frustrated over why they haven’t been mobilized. This means that the Innovators on the ship won’t be getting involved, and Devine is irritated that he won’t be able to avenge Bring. On the deck of the ship, Andrei reveals to Louise that he knows the person behind the coup because it’s his father’s friend. Andrei remembers Hercule as very idealistic, but Louise doesn’t care about the reason for the coup. She feels that, as A-LAWS, their job is only to defeat the anti-government forces in order to gain peace, and Andrei agrees. He recalls how Hercule had helped him out back when he entered the service academy since he didn’t want his own father’s help. Hercule had told him not to hate his father because what happened was an accident, but Andrei was still angry over how his father let his mother die, and he blamed Hercule as well. Andrei had refused to follow his father’s way of life, and to prove that, he chose to join the military. Hercule had questioned if Andrei’s mother would truly be happy about that, and Andrei had asserted that she would have because she wanted peace more than anyone else. Thinking about all this now, Andrei believes that half-hearted determination will not lead to peace, and he wonders why Hercule doesn’t understand that A-LAWS’s power is necessary right now.

By now, Sergei has been escorted to Hercule, and he conveys a message from the Federation government that they refuse the demands. He then starts questioning why Hercule took innocents hostage when Hercule should have known that the Federation controlled all information, so he should have realized that his words wouldn’t reach the world. Hercule, however, claims that the people aren’t so innocent because they accepted government policies without question, leading to a corrupting of government. He believes that it was the foolishness of the people that allowed the rise of A-LAWS, and he feels that the people need to awaken, even if it’s with pain. Sergei protests against this because it’s their duty to protect the people, and he urges Hercule to surrender to save the lives of his men. Hercule doubts that A-LAWS will allow this, and he wants Sergei to return to Earth to tell his commanders that they aren’t leaving. Surprisingly, Sergei decides to stay as well because he refuses to let something happen a second time. This conversation is interrupted by the news of another wave of Automatons attacking, so Hercule sends his men to fight and to lead the civilians to the linear train. Reports soon arrive that the Automatons are attacking the civilians, and Hercule uses this as proof to Sergei of how wrong the government and military have become.

Hercule’s forces are eventually successful at halting the Automatons and at getting the people to the linear train. Sergei doesn’t understand why Hercule had intended to let the people go, so Hercule reiterates how he’s awakening them to A-LAWS’s wrongdoings, and he’s happy to sacrifice himself for this. Unfortunately, the Federation responds by broadcasting video of the civilians being slaughtered inside the station, only instead of the Automatons doing the killing, the video has been modified to look like it’s Hercule’s men doing it. Hercule doesn’t let this bother him because of all the people he released who know the truth, but Sergei doubts that the Federation has not forecasted this. Regardless, Hercule doesn’t think that 60,000 people can be silenced, especially since his allies and Katharon are waiting on the ground. Back at the base of the Africa tower, Mr. Bushido begins his battle with Setsuna, and the 00 Raiser can’t match up until Setsuna activates its Trans-Am as well. Their fight is soon interrupted though by the arrival of the Ptolemaios and the other Gundams, and that leaves Mr. Bushido no choice but to retreat. As Setsuna starts to lose consciousness from his shoulder wound, he remembers Lockon urging him to change, and he vows to do so.

Once the Ptolemaios recovers Setsuna, Sumeragi notices that the way the military has concentrated in two areas around the orbital elevator is odd, and she suspects that they’re hiding something. Based on this, she has Feldt show her the wind data of the surrounding area, and from it, she figures out that the Federation forces are deployed so that they’re out of the way in case the orbital elevator falls down. This leads her to realize that A-LAWS has another satellite weapon, and indeed, high above Earth, Arthur Goodman is in command of the Memento Mori.


Well, if you’re looking for action – and I was thanks to the cliffhanger from last week – this episode will probably disappoint. Most of it is spent focused on the coup and on hammering home the message that people shouldn’t blindly trust their government. I found it to be an interesting theme, but probably only because I’m the kind of person who enjoys reading about politics and the way democracy works. In any case, they didn’t continue with the 00 Raiser vs. Masurao battle until approximately 3/4 of the way through the episode, and the actual fight (not including the recap from last week) lasted only about a minute before Setsuna got saved and Mr. Bushido had to retreat. Nothing got settled in that short time, so I’m treating the fight as a prelude to a future, more decisive clash between them once Setsuna has recovered.

The big WTF this episode – and I don’t mean that in the best of ways – is the Memento Mori redux. Celestial Being destroyed the original Memento Mori only three episodes ago, and this kind of renders that accomplishment moot. I realize that, if you’re A-LAWS, there’s no reason not to have another one (or two or three or four more), but from a story point of view, it’s just not as interesting the second time around. I would have preferred them to introduce something new, even if it was just a different superweapon. On the other hand, the Ptolemaios won’t be destroying it the same way, so theoretically what we’ll be watching for now is how they’ll go about facing this new challenge. The preview for next week does show a shot of explosions all around it, so maybe it’ll get destroyed pretty quickly. For now though, all signs point to the collapse of the orbital elevator as previously hinted. I’m hoping Sergei will make it out of it alive. The preview also suggests that Marie will be piloting again, which can only mean the introduction of the GN Archer.

January 25, 2009 at 5:37 am
  • January 26, 2009 at 8:34 amWingZerozxt

    Am i the only one who missed the catalyst that turned graham acre crazy or is everyone else just going along for the ride like i am. Also i read briefly a question pertaining to how celestial being might stop them! they might (prob) wont this might be the time THE spoiler is implemented!

    The storyline is better so far but seriously the characters in this series are Irritatingly lacking in… character!

    @attacker its not that its wrong just that is boring to over use the same plot device over and over! its good that the makers dont always feel obligated to change weapon systems every 5 mins just to keep people interested. it adds to the plausibility factor (tops off the plausibility that Graham acre drains out of the program everytime he appears! i hate him so much!)

    Im confused (slightly) how wat took gundam scientist 200 hundred years to come up with (trans am in particular) was duplicated and replicated into a fake gn drive in Substantially less time by 2 guys one of which died mid way through the first season!

    Episode pros: Sergi
    Episode cons: Graham acre

    Series cons: Innovators
    Series Pros: Gn Drive

    ooh thought! i think that theyve gone this way with G.A because that hes dying and his dying wish is to defeat a gundam maybe… that stilll wouldnt explain his idiocy though so for now i hate him

  • January 26, 2009 at 9:35 amBrandon

    dead next episode?
    we can only hope

    …Memento Mori … again?? -_- i didn’t like it the first time but oh well

    and what is up with Grahams suits..??? frakin’ crazy looking… i like them haha

  • January 26, 2009 at 9:43 amleah-chan

    wooaahhh!!!!can’t wait for the next episode!!!!!!!!!

    best gundam series ever!!!!!!!the story is getting more interesting to every episode!!
    what i only hate about this episode is when celestial’ beings ace cards are always corrupted by the enemies, A-LAWS specifically!!!like the trans-am…….
    can’t they make something new for the A-laws!???????hehehe

  • January 26, 2009 at 10:49 amKaioshin Sama

    @Mieu: Your point?

  • January 26, 2009 at 11:14 amMieu

    @Kaioshin Sama

    What does having a new, original, even stronger superweapon do to improve on a story exactly?

  • January 26, 2009 at 11:45 amKaioshin Sama

    @Mieu: Nothing really, but it doesn’t necessarily do anything to hurt the story either nor does it really have as much to do with the story as say characters and plot, which this episode managed to really deliver on IMO. Superweapons were really the least of Seed Destiny’s problem and so far Gundam 00 has all the bases covered where Seed Destiny really dropped the ball on the play. And this isn’t a new, original, stronger superweapon, it’s for all intents and purposes the exact same model of Memento Mori we saw in episode 13. At least I think, I don’t see what purpose a stronger output would have considering it already gives the A-LAWS the equivalent of the tactical advantage that Iserlohn’s Thor’s Hammer gave the Reich Empire in Legend of The Galactic Heroes.

  • January 26, 2009 at 12:03 pmwingdarkness

    This is probably the most dissapointing episode of the entire series…

    DeathStar Laser part II and slighting the Gundam 00 vs. Flags-AM fight are some very hard choices to get over…Just not a well timed ep considering the false solar furnace upgrade is such a huge deal…Pushing Graham to the side yet again, was just too much for me to take despite the episode being fine from a functional standpoint…But this was the episode that should have threw funtionality to the side and made Bushido vs. Setsuna the heart of this episode…

  • January 26, 2009 at 1:18 pmWingZerozxt

    Anyone ever gonna answer my question ? Wat made graham crazy???

  • January 26, 2009 at 1:58 pmGGear0323

    well, WingZero, you could say it was when his nice friend with the dreadlocks got killed, even though i am sure he was still sane for a few episodes after that. even more so after he finds out it was Setsuna, a boy he met in an earlier episode and could have stopped from the beginning. as for the new memento mori, it only makes sense, why would they build just one, it doest have full range over the rest of the world, it can only go between orbital elevators, there is no point in only having a single weapon that can only fire on the middle east. and i am sure like other people have said, that there is probably at least a 3rd one overlooking the US, or at least the western half of the US towards the other side of the pacific. if you assume that the first one looked over the middle east/china/russia, and this second one looks over europe/northern africa and probably the the eastern half of the US. either way, good build up episode. especially considering that quite a few of the A-Laws members can tell what is really going on, i doubt they will just sit around and take it.

  • January 26, 2009 at 5:47 pmFrito

    people always told me that who ever wears a masks is a coo coo.

  • January 26, 2009 at 6:17 pmCannonBeast

    What about having a second Memento Mori exactly doesn’t make sense or is horrible writing? Along with the idea of covering a larger portion of the world, having multiple copies of the same weapon is cheaper to produce than having the same number of different weapons. Less money has to go to designing yet another superweapon. By using a similar design, spare parts can also be mass produced to fit in all of them. Think about it this way, what if all the aheads in the show had different had unstandardized parts? The cost of producing a line of them would increase without any measurable benefit.

  • January 26, 2009 at 6:28 pmZero

    I agree with you but at the same time they had to already get the coup’ detat started plus the name of the episode was prelude to tragedy so you could tell that it was gonna be an ep that was text heavy also with Graham going crazy more and more every ep i would not be suprised if he just died of a brain anurism.

  • January 26, 2009 at 6:39 pmNovax

    No Frito you are bad at reading comprehension =). The professor simply did not have any study or observation on the Trans-Am system because he died way before any Gundams used that. He doesn’t even know about there’s something called Trans-AM. How can the professor provide anything useful to Billy for him to make a Trans-Am system?????? How is this not a plot hole?

  • January 26, 2009 at 6:50 pmCain

    @ Novax
    I literally facepalmed myself when Graham activated his aptly named Trans-grahAM system. Billy could have at least gone for a 4 Fake GN Drive system to power the new version of the FLAG, that at least would have been less cheesy.

    And I have to add, I miss the OVER Flag model :(

  • January 26, 2009 at 7:29 pmNovax

    @ Cain
    I was actually thinking it would make more sense for Billy to come up with a dual GN drive concept just like 00 – raiser. Trans-AM on a already lame looking Masurao is really gay imo.

    BTW, I think the original FLAG was one of the coolest looking MS in this whole series.

  • January 26, 2009 at 7:44 pmFalenXangel

    @ WingZerozxt, Graham says he loves gundam… but it all went away and turned to hate… think of it like Anakin Skywalker, all the love left him and he just… went mad

  • January 26, 2009 at 8:01 pmRevival

    Sergei doesn’t look like he’ll die in the next episode.
    Show Spoiler ▼

  • January 26, 2009 at 8:17 pmshadowblack

    Aeolia (sp?) had never seen a GN drive, yet he came up with the Trans-Am system, as well as the Twin Drive system.

    Prof. Eifman had studied the data on the Gundams (and the particles they emit) and actually managed to figure out how they work and where they were built. Is it so hard to believe that he could figure out the theory behind Trans-Am on his own too? If Aeolia did it, so could someone else. It’s not like he knew what it was called, or even that such a thing really existed, and had been left behind by Aeolia. I see nothing wrong here…

  • January 26, 2009 at 9:11 pmroddy


    but he kinda died immediately after ASSUMING, in s1, that gn particles were making use of topological defects, as well as where they were built.

    We’ll just have to assume Billy has his own SEED mode that grants him incomparable intelligence while researching due to his hate of Sumeragi. LOL

  • January 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm∞ Aries

    I actually liked this episode. We get some great character backstory and development as well. Sergei has always been one of my favorite characters and i was getting worried that we wasnt really going to be in this season but here he is. Also the fight between Setsuna and Mr. Bushido wasnt bad either, as short as it was, it wasnt the main focus as i thought but then again it Mr. Bushido really doesnt have anything to do with the current main plot of the series. The only thing i didnt like was the second Memento Mori but it is truly logical that A-LAWS would have made more than one. I can’t wait to see the next episode because i am sure it will be great.

  • January 26, 2009 at 10:13 pmAnonymous


    Aeolia Schenberg INVENTED the GN Drive. It’s just that machines to utilize them weren’t created until a couple of centuries later.

  • January 26, 2009 at 10:15 pmNovax


    You are very right lol! Of course Aeolia has seen a GN drive because he developed it himself. Eifman was simply making assumption left and right before getting swiftly killed. He didn’t get do put his theory into any tests. He hasn’t really figured anything about GN drives, let alone Trans-Am system(or something that could work like GN drives in Trans-Am mode).

    Billy must be a genius like Aeolia too cos he figured out how to make fake Trans-Am capable GN drives in such a short period of time.

  • January 26, 2009 at 11:15 pm@ttacker

    You guys know what’s ironic? People complaining that there are too many upgrades and new mobile suits in 00, and now they see the same weapon which is actually the more logical thing to have, and now the viewers say it’s being unoriginal. Come on guys, we get one realistic scenario and people still keep bitching about it? Look at it this way: There may be 5 or 10 more Memento Mori’s out there. The question is, what does CB do about it? They can’t keep expending their resources destroying each and every one of them, look what happened last time they tried to destroy one.

  • January 27, 2009 at 1:10 amCain

    The Jupiter project, I believe Eifman might have been familiar with the scientific developments being conducted at the science facilities there; hence, why the Thrones had to conduct an OP to get rid of him.

    Eifman was close, or had, unlocked the secret, or rather, an understanding of the GN drives somehow. But no matter what, it’s completely far fetched how Billy was able to develop the Trans-Am on his own, and with fake GN Drive no less.

  • January 27, 2009 at 5:06 amshadowblack

    1) Aeolia died long before the GN drives were made. Remember, they were built on Jupiter roughly 120 years before the start of season 1, and Aeolia lived 200 years ago. There’s no way he has seen a GN drive. He merely developed the theories, but other people put them to use
    2) Billy said he found some theory in Eifman’s notes and proved it correct. So he merely finished what the old professor started. And even if Eifman was only making assumptions, that doesn’t change the fact that he got closer to the truth than anyone else – close enough to get him killed

    As for Memento Mori – most likely there are 3 – one for each part of the orbital ring.

  • January 27, 2009 at 10:13 am@ttacker

    I’m really liking the story of 00 so far, now that I’ve thought about it. A lot of it, at least the plot lines that matter to me (that means love stories aside), actually made sense from this episode. I was always thinking “Why are the A-Laws/Innovators so cruel?” It seems like it was in order to incite a coup and give them a reason to drop the orbital elevator. But what about the consequences of it? How exactly does dropping the elevator accomplish the task to bring humanity into space? I’d like to see the next episode very soon.

    Right now I’m not so sure who the enemy is. Is it Ribbons, or Aeolia himself? Did Aeolia really plan to bring humanity to space using this means? It would make sense that he created the Innovators exactly the way they are now. Being child-like, they follow their programming to a T and they will live long enough to see the plan come to life. It might be true that Ribbons is just doing what Aeolia really wanted to do in the first place…

  • January 27, 2009 at 10:21 am@ttacker

    Last words before I go: I’m starting to buy the idea that Tieria might not die. I used to think that he’s the one with no reason to live after the series – no family, all his skills are useful only to war, takes his guidance from a dead man and somewhat lives in vengeance. But when you think about it, he’s got leadership skills, he’s an Innovator, and best of all, he’s humanized. He’s the perfect leader (or political figurehead at least) to bring humanity to deep space.

  • January 27, 2009 at 11:29 amFrito

    novax. eifman was so ahead of everyone that he knew about what is “really” going on. why would you think the thrones are sent to kill them. because corner and harvey didn’t want any revelations regarding their plans. so tell me why this is a plot hole again? he figured out the capabilities of the drives way before aeolia could unleash it’s potential with system traps. billy then built something around these notes and made a killer gn drive with trans-am. that he will most likely tune for each and every single gn drive[T] out there.

    so why is this a plot hole again?

  • January 27, 2009 at 12:37 pmroddy

    On another note, i’m guessing the reason for graham spilling blood is due to the machine’s not being able to withstand the G forces or something.

    Perhaps the gundams have some sort of design or system or what not that enables the pilot to withstand more force. Like, so mega G-damper or something.

    So yes, if all the Gn-XIIIs or Aheads are fixed with trans-am, they’d be needing a hell lot more pilots to die while piloting them.

  • January 27, 2009 at 6:07 pmWingZerozxt

    Even if we accept the fact the eifman mysteriously managed to figure out the GN drives operation and design the functionality of transam or leave in in his notes 12 mins before he died (made up time frame!) for billy to copy what now are the advantages of using a now almost completely benignly name real gn drive!!! Celestial being appears to limit themselves to only thier own mecha for reasons im not sure are clearly defined! Alsso regarding the starwars analogy which was aptly used on me (since as far as im concerned stawars/startrek is industry standard or base level for any scifi type program i.e you build up from there in one or more program characteristics) there obviously a difference in that anakin was a jedi and blahblah blah my point is this: graham being a soldier and what not should have made him more mentally aware that he might loose people hes become obsessed somehow for no damn reason! and his character has been a complete joke since the beginning of the second series

    So in conclusion (for those who have poor comprehension skills)

    1) Graham acre: Went insane for no reason has a weak body and is completely non essential to the storyline. Essentially poor fanservice for guys who wanna see mechs battle to keep the interest of the children

    2) Fake GN drives v normal ones differences ultimately in colour and therefore percieved ‘coolness’ i dunno with anyluck they’ll cause cancer or somthing making CBs choices valid

    3) Eifman somehow managed to do in half a series what took aeolia and crew alot longer to pull off making it implausible! Thats what i seem to think people are trying to say here and i agree for the most part (incidentally i forget was it 200 years CB and co had been planning the whole Gundam thing!?

    one again episode average with a few moments of EPIC let down!

  • January 27, 2009 at 8:49 pmmartin

    love it

  • January 27, 2009 at 10:53 pmlohking

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  • January 28, 2009 at 12:17 amUngas

    the most plausible reason why billy manage to create a fake trans-am is through wang liu mei

  • January 28, 2009 at 12:27 aminvAZN

    After watching Gundam Wing, I realized how similiar these two really are. Also realized how much better Wing is overall. The only exceptional thing I love about modern Gundam series is art and music. Everything else is subpar compared to Wing.

    I think Graham and Hallelujah are getting ripped off. These guys have so much potential for more screentime but they decided to flip the middle finger on them. GAH. Graham won’t stop til he takes his revenge. And Hallelujah is still one crazy badass mofo.

    Screw it, going back to SEED o.O

  • January 28, 2009 at 12:36 amGGear0323

    WingZero, i dont think anyone is arguing with you about Graham. he serves no purpose and is irrelevant to everything that has gone on so far. he is basically Ali Al Sarches, just without any believable reason for fighting the way he does. as for the fake GN drives, these is plenty of differences to look at. 1. they are more powerful, obviously, seeing as how every suit now has a fake GN drive is they are still getting swatted around like flies. 2. their trans Am is more powerful as well. Graham went trans Am and it looked like it lasted for about 45 seconds, and i doubt they can just recharge like the gundams do. and as for Eifman, i think you are forgetting something. the Trans Am wasnt something that took a long time to come up with for CB, it was something Aeolia didnt want them using except as a last resort. it could have taken Aeolia very little time to come up with the idea, but it only was ‘unlocked’ when he died for real. i mean if you think about it, all it is is releasing the 100% full potential of the GN drive with the obvious drawback of being completely drained of power at the time limit. basically what i am saying is, Aeolia could have come up with the idea a mere couple of days after he completed his specs for the GN drvies, but seeing as how he wouldnt be living and breathing when they were to be produced, and the fact that he purposely hid the power until it was absolutely needed, it seems possible that the actual theory behind the Trans Am isnt mind boggling, just dangerous to put into practice. Eifman never actually proved anything about Trans Am anyway, all he probably did was come up with a theory (which proved correct) as to the basis of how the GN drives worked, and once billy had one in his possession, albeit a fake one, he worked out how to get the full potential out of it.

  • January 28, 2009 at 8:21 amWingZerozxt

    @GGear0323 i dissagree with the whole ‘fake gn drives are less powerful!!! the gundams are better made overall but it has nothing to do with the engine!
    i think its do with the obvious or the ‘percieved’ drawbacks of mass producing somthing! i.e they made more of them so they HAVe to be weaker otherwise the series wouldnt make any sense which i kinda doesnt! (all though im not adamant about this)

    Thing is with the exception of the 00 gundam if the innovators get trans am the others are screwed! and also since Grahams only purpose in the show so far (which is clearly annoying me) is to fight setsuna in the 00 then the obvious thing is hell get more convinient enhancements and upgrades as time goes on in accordance with the natural ‘escalation’ factor of the mech series!

    The point i made furthermore was this!! Since the gundams are getting knocked about so badly and are now mysteriously not running out of parts (a common trait in all the Gundam series ive seen!) using the fake gn drives doesnt seem stupid to me!

    i get what your saying about CB though!! although it took them ages most of it was travel time LOL i see your p… wait no! it took Eifman 1 guy a few hours to solve a problem missing scientists had been tryinng to solve for 200 years im not entirely convinced!
    Continue your deliberations and get back to me!!! This is a blog so one of you will feel obligated to convince me LOL (And i can be ocnvinced by the way! if the reasoning is good!)

  • January 28, 2009 at 9:03 amshadowblack

    The fake GN drives have a time limit. That alone makes them “weaker” because any new developments (including Trans-Am) must take this into consideration. It’s also possible that there are other differences between real and fake GN drives (I can think of at least two), but I’m too lazy to check.

    “i get what your saying about CB though!! although it took them ages most of it was travel time LOL i see your p… wait no! it took Eifman 1 guy a few hours to solve a problem missing scientists had been tryinng to solve for 200 years im not entirely convinced!”
    OK, now you lost me. What are you talking about? Would you mind rewriting that in a way I can actually understand? Especially this part: “a few hours to solve a problem missing scientists had been tryinng to solve for 200 years”. What “few hours”, what what problem, what 200 years? What are you talking about?

  • January 28, 2009 at 11:30 amjustin43

    False drives are weaker and more dangerous. Due to the lack of a TD blanket, false drives can not produce GN particles and the particles themselves that are used have negative effects on the human body, as shown from the Louise episode, that can stop cell regeneration. Because they can’t produce GN particles, the false drives have a time limit. I do agree that the false drives produce close to the same power output, but for lesser time. Trans-Arm with a false drive would only hasten the drain of particles and severely decrease the amount of operational time. It is also possible that the trans-arm itself could have negative effects since we saw Graham bleeding. It could be the lack of G force dampers, but I doubt that.

  • January 28, 2009 at 12:44 pmWingZerozxt

    For Shadowblack: Translation as requested

    I find it a tad unbeleiveable tha eifman came of with hat seems to be a valid working theory of the ‘fake’GN drives operational abilities in the time he was in the series. Considering the ammount of man power and time it took CB to develop the GN drives in the first place!

    The 200 years reffers to the information that Sajis sister came across when she was trying to uncover information pertaining to celestial being! and realised that scientist have been going missing for atleast that long or somthing i barely remember now and cant be bothered to check right away ill get back to you later

  • January 28, 2009 at 3:19 pmshadowblack

    Just a couple of things:
    1) We don’t know how long it took to develop the GN drives. But the mission to Jupiter had taken place 120 years before the first season, so obviously by that time everything had been developed and the only thing left was to actually make the GN drives. Remember that CB had to start from scratch while Eifman had all the data the Union had gathered on the Gundams and the GN particles they use. So Eifman had something to base his research on
    2) You make it sound as if developing the GN drives is the only thing CB needed scientists for. IT is NOT. Veda did not appear out of thin air, nor did the Gundam designs, or anything else CB has. You make it sound as if CB spent 200 years working on a single problem, which is simply not true

  • January 28, 2009 at 7:33 pmFirechick

    Does anyone think Sumeragi and that lady (possibly Sergei’s wife) look alike in some way?

  • January 28, 2009 at 9:27 pmWingZerozxt

    @Shadowblack right true but doesnt that make it worse!!! unless Veda was the primary concern or the innovators! Your essentially saying that CB were less adept at creating things like Mechs and so forth because they were already strugling by the end of season 1 due to that annoying lame looking gold frame loser-locks used (alexandro corner!) and you obvoiously cant say things like its cos the innovators had veda cos they didnt get full control til near the end! CB had Veda and the ;Legitimate powers’ still caught up!#

    @Justin43 although probably utilizing them as individual drives instead of in tandem we know the bad guys can use more than one to power a suit or mobile armour!

    Ahwell ill just have to get used to it i suppose (unless you have more to say and im more than willing to read it and comment like i sed im not sure i wanna be right!

  • January 29, 2009 at 12:47 pmlilu

    Sergei’s wife (Holly) body looks like Sumeragi’s, but the face looks like Soma’s.

  • January 30, 2009 at 1:33 amWildcat

    I think that the duel between setsuna and graham is totally not FAIR. In S1 final episode, setsuna is low on particles after activiting trans am to crush connner mech, then in this episode 16, setsuna right hand is wounded. Sunrise never give them a fair fight after all. Go gundam 00.. best gundam ever watch…

  • January 30, 2009 at 7:30 amdanie

    in the ED, for a moment, there is a reflection of Setsuna embracing Marina over the flowers rite? and Setsuna’s jacket at the end is with something that suspiciously look like headphones.. i maybe wrong though..

  • January 30, 2009 at 7:28 pmvoid

    I can’t believe that all they could think of was a second death start play. What next, the civilians assemble makeshift weaponry out of trash and use it to defeat A-Laws?

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