Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko – 03
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「地を這う少女の不思議な刹那」 (Chi o Hau Shōjo no Fushigi na Setsuna)
“A Strange Moment for the Girl Bound to the Ground”
So basically, this felt like a three episode prologue to the first “in reality” meeting between Makoto and Erio. Due to her being such an incoherent wall until now, coming to her senses actually did feel like, “oh wow, so she can be normal.” Would this be a moe gap?
The first half had me in fear thinking the show might actually start to get boring, because the more I see of Ryuuko, the more I don’t like her. “Marketable” slaps me in the forehead everytime the camera pans around her and the more annoying thing is that none of what she says this episode makes any sense at all. She’s never serious, which annoys me too. But wait, isn’t that pretty much every character in this series so far? A bit, yeah, which is why the second half was a relief.
A show about nonsense is okay. A show where the characters can’t even make a conversation make sense, is not okay. Until this point, Makoto and Maekawa were the only ones that could even make any coherent thoughts that I cared about. Meme was close near the end of last episode, and although seemed to have reverted at first, decided to finally spill the beans. Meme’s revelation of why she is the way she is feels like a cheap trick to suddenly get me to like her, because apparently putting a front of immaturity is a good excuse. I especially hate adult characters like this, who act like children in front of our main characters, scold them when they act out, then go back to being hypocrites (Eureka SeveN is a great example). Meme is not nearly as bad, so I’ll bite. She did make me nearly cough a lung out coming back to check on Makoto. What a perverted tsundere (Niwa that is). He should just ravish her in the plethora of openings she gives so casually to teach her a lesson. Tch.
Now the second half, or well, the last third, surprisingly went somewhere. In fact, the end result destroys Erio’s “illusion.” This early? Yeah I’m shocked too. I guess that’s denial down, and now admittance. She can thank Alcoholics Anonymous for the steps to recovery. The later steps won’t work since it’s not a recurring habit (hopefully), so solving the blank memories seems to be the next plot to tackle.
The three episode rule applies here, except I don’t think there’s too many that were planning on dropping it anyway. Hilarious episode, characters developed, ET references thrown at your face, one possible Index reference, and fly like an eagle. Hope it keeps it up next ep.
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ED: 「ルル」 (Ruru) by やくしまるえつこ (Yakushimaru Etsuko)
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April 29, 2011 at 1:46 amClick
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Poor Bike.
April 29, 2011 at 1:48 amKiiragi
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It sucked anyway.
April 29, 2011 at 1:54 amClick
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I didn’t really get how slow it was since it had a pretty regular gear ratio.
April 29, 2011 at 1:58 amamado
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maybe there was something stuck in it that makoto didnt notice? then it broke off when they rode down the slope.
April 29, 2011 at 1:59 amKiiragi
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Before this comment thread gets any longer, realize you’re discussing realism in anime. Stop before anyone gets hurt.
April 29, 2011 at 10:12 amBoo
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Cat Girls are dying because of this.
April 29, 2011 at 3:06 pmProBiker
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I thought the gear ratio looked a little off, I seem to remember a close up shot in episode 2.
April 29, 2011 at 1:25 pmanishuma
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Niwa was using the Mach Bike, should’ve used the Acro Bike if he really wanted to fly ;p
April 29, 2011 at 6:17 pmPWAAMEAP
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+1
April 29, 2011 at 6:56 pmkoja
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Not really. You can’t fly even with an acro bike, you need TM04
April 29, 2011 at 7:11 pmxcswmboy
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Neither matters. What’s important is a basket+blanket for flying.
April 29, 2011 at 9:25 pmClick
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@koja
That post gave me cancer.
April 29, 2011 at 8:35 pmamado
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looks like this comment thread did get bigger….
luckily no ones huty(yet).
April 29, 2011 at 8:47 pmamado
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*hurt
April 29, 2011 at 1:51 amTriangle MAN
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Adults acting like kids is not interesting or cute its just annoying and boring,I hope they stop doing that.
April 29, 2011 at 6:56 pmMrBrownSound
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lol, It was kind of creepy. She seemed to have a sad face and tone at certain times, but covers it up with a fake smile. I think that was what you disliked in her.
April 29, 2011 at 1:57 amCarVac
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I laughed a good thirty seconds straight at the Index shout-out. It came so suddenly out of left field, and then the show moved on before I could manage to process it properly.
April 29, 2011 at 1:54 pmxcswmboy
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I loved the Index reference that mocked Touma.
There was also a “Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo” reference in the downhill bike run: “I’m a Makoto too, so time stop!!”
Kiiragi also mentioned Eureka Seven which I think the “I CAN FLY!” is from also.
April 29, 2011 at 2:01 aminuyasha94588
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That index reference was fabulous
April 29, 2011 at 2:04 amamado
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got the ET and index reference as well.
as for me, I dont think that erio is gonna be normal by next ep. she would probably still have some of her weird quirks.
or she would still act like an alien, and become “normal” when she is in a emotional situation or something similar. kinda like a tsundere, except change the “tsun” to weird(I dont know japanese so I used weird instead of some japanese word)
April 29, 2011 at 2:06 amKiiragi
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Hendere.
April 29, 2011 at 2:07 amLonghaul
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references
Index (too bluntly done to not be), Girl who lept through time, Eureka Seven
April 29, 2011 at 2:10 amKiiragi
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E7? Where?
April 29, 2011 at 2:15 amDollars
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Show Spoiler ▼
April 29, 2011 at 2:08 amamado
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and man, I wish the madoka magica banner lasted a couple of weeks more.
I havent checked that anime yet but I dont want to add more to my already big list…
ps. can someone translate that text in the banner, or is it just like that ika musume line saying “looking beyond the surface”?
April 29, 2011 at 2:15 amKiiragi
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I assume it’s a quote from Fireball. “Rather convenient” or any variants depending on the context of how it’s said in the show. Not too interesting.
April 30, 2011 at 1:41 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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yeah. i thought it’d be on for a month. DX
April 29, 2011 at 2:35 amRecette
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The Girl who Leapt Through Time reference made me laugh pretty good, overall I really enjoyed this episode. (The later part of it anyway)
On a side note,
Unless it’s a pun I missed or a phrase I don’t know did you make a typo? “teach her a listen”
April 29, 2011 at 2:47 amBooya
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Ohh… where was it referenced?
April 29, 2011 at 1:56 pmxcswmboy
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The whole downhill bike run was an extended reference. The brakes not working, and the shoe flying off. Makoto says: “I’m a Makoto too, so stop stop stop!”
April 29, 2011 at 2:47 amKiiragi
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lol, yeah, I did. Thanks.
April 29, 2011 at 2:44 amTaiwanese
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I guess from this point on, it’s a matter of merging back into society for Erio….expect surprises and perhaps run-in’s with alien stuff. I believe the “illusion” is still there.
April 29, 2011 at 3:06 amFlamingYu
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He believe he can’t fly!
Haha, he’s gonna break the illusion with his left fist.
April 29, 2011 at 3:14 amJollygolly
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Yikes, the sexual tension between those two is just…
But kudos to Meme for not raping Makoto YET
http://randomc.net/image/Denpa%20Onna%20to%20Seishun%20Otoko/Denpa%20Onna%20to%20Seishun%20Otoko%20-%2003%20-%20Large%2018.jpg
April 29, 2011 at 3:20 amGP007
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She should, the Aunt is the best one IMO.
April 29, 2011 at 4:53 amYs10
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I can’t believe he thought of it as minus points being hugged by her.
April 29, 2011 at 8:22 amprejsu
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yeah, it should be like +10 puberty points
April 29, 2011 at 3:18 amDan
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Man, Erio is so HNNNNGGGGHHH!
April 29, 2011 at 3:34 amFlare
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Who composed the background music for this?
I keep getting Tenmon + Eiichiro vibes. Especially at 16:12 on the Mazui release (at the Index reference)
April 29, 2011 at 3:34 amRayshi
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I didn’t get the index reference which one was it?
April 29, 2011 at 3:43 amDan
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“I’ll smash that illusion of hers!”
Touma’s (almost wrote Touwa) trademark line.
April 29, 2011 at 3:45 amRayshi
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Ah lol nice one.
April 29, 2011 at 3:36 amLectro Volpi
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So it was not my reading comprehension! characters do not make any sense at all, they just spit nonesense right?
I thought you were a fan of this Mr. Flying puppy my dawg!
I do like cougars… a little, just a little.
April 29, 2011 at 3:43 amNorwegium
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That Index reference made my day.
April 29, 2011 at 4:03 amDuqs
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And here i was about to drop the series. If Ami-chan (toradora) were a mom who got heavily influenced by otaku culture, she’d turn into that
April 29, 2011 at 4:10 amShirt
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“Lock the door.” I thought we all learned this from the scandalous HaruxSora.
*sighs* Can’t wait for the OP single..
April 29, 2011 at 8:07 amHagiri
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It’s already out.
April 29, 2011 at 4:16 pmShirt
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April 29, 2011 at 9:18 pmTehJawknee
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Yah really. You’d think guys would lock it to avoid certain situations.
April 30, 2011 at 12:21 amShirt
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I think it’d be funny to watch an anime where the character is watching another recent/airing anime. lmao
April 30, 2011 at 1:37 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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off-topic.
Show Spoiler ▼
April 30, 2011 at 1:34 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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auggh. now, i’m reminded how i was never a fan of those two together. excuse me..
April 30, 2011 at 1:47 amamado
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I wonder when’s the next anime/manga that will have twincest…
miss them both but the manga’s still going.
April 29, 2011 at 4:54 amYs10
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I noticed the her sitting in the basket and stuff ET reference but I didn’t notice that her initials were ET too. I failed on that one.
April 29, 2011 at 5:45 amqntiria
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I especially hate adult characters like this, who act like children in front of our main characters, scold them when they act out, then go back to being hypocrites (Eureka SeveN is a great example)
Took me back again to my hatred for Holland. In the mean time Erio is so so sparkly.
April 29, 2011 at 7:05 amtcm-man
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This is one weird show. Strangely, I get a “Ef – a tale of memories” vibe when watching this show, despite the shows tell a completely different story; their atmosphere, perspective/viewpoints that are used and the storytelling including the pacing are are so similar.
April 29, 2011 at 7:59 amvirox
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Same studio
April 29, 2011 at 8:43 amFlare
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Shaft has a really distinct(albeit controversial) style. I usually like it.
The background music gave me the ef vibe once but it seems like it’s just me since Tenmon and Eiichiro aren’t involved in this.
April 29, 2011 at 7:35 amSerapita
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+100 points to Erio for being normally extremely cute.
April 29, 2011 at 7:55 amIronicTales
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Agreed Erio is really cute
April 29, 2011 at 8:01 amvirox
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Romantic relationship, anyone?
That brown haired girl is just too retarded to be his girlfriend.
April 29, 2011 at 8:21 amIronicTales
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They are cousins aren’t they? or something similar?
April 29, 2011 at 9:17 amvirox
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Well, Meme claims she can’t remember how Erio got to her… And she asked Makoto if he had fallen for her. I don’t see much of a problem. Stupid morals anyway.
The LN just ended this month, time to go find some spoilers.
April 29, 2011 at 12:30 pmjingoi
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Japan’s ok with cousins plowing each other.
And Erio’s too hot to care about morals.
April 29, 2011 at 12:59 pmMakoto
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My Little Cousin Can’t Be This Cute
April 29, 2011 at 1:28 pmKarmafan
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I like the way she eats pizza. Wish I could toss 1/2 a large pizza up in the air and eat it like that! She is considerate of others (shared her pizza right down the middle) and probably a really great person, she just has issues…
May 1, 2011 at 2:45 amRicalloo
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First cousin marriage is allowed in Japan. The US is the only ‘Western Nation’ that has bans on it, but like almost every other law in America it is on a state by state basis. It’s Illegal in China and Korea.
About 10% of all marriages in the world are second cousin or closer. Rates in the Middle East rise near 50%.
My personal opinion is 3rd cousin minimum, 2nd is too close, and 1st is just… disgusting. >_<
April 29, 2011 at 8:18 amprejsu
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Was she giving him a kiss mark? I would die to have an aunt like that:P but anyway…is it OK to be interested in, let alone date, your cousin in Japan? Is it legal? Cause Meme only said that he should not be attracted to her if it’s only a superficial attraction. So does that mean that if he cares for her deeply than it’s perfectly fine?
April 29, 2011 at 1:31 pmKarmafan
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I’m wondering if it is her daughter or she somehow ended up with her. She says she didn’t even remember being pregnant and one day she was there (or something similar). She is kinda scatterbrained some (did much drugs in your teen years) so it is possible that Erio isn’t her blood.
April 30, 2011 at 12:27 amUru
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Dating/marrying cousins is fine in most countries in the world… Ok, genetically speaking it’s not all that great, but not all of us can get a foreigner.
April 30, 2011 at 12:37 amprejsu
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not in Europe mate, not in Europe…
April 30, 2011 at 1:17 amUru
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Do you mean legally or morally? I know roman catholics are against it, but as far as I know cousin marriage should be legal in western Europe? Then of course, Europe isn’t only western Europe, but I don’t know how the laws go elsewhere. What is your experience on the ground?
April 30, 2011 at 1:31 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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marrying a first cousin is wrong morally wrong. but i think marriage between 2nd-3rd cousins is allowed. anyhow, i’m not one to talk about incestuous stuff. i’m just saying what i know. =)
April 30, 2011 at 1:52 amamado
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theres no problem if its your 4th cousin and over.
2nd and 3rd is still possible if your really serious with each other.
1st is equal to your siblings so…
April 30, 2011 at 1:54 amamado
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^learned that last school year.
April 30, 2011 at 1:42 pmprejsu
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Legally, it is not allowed to marry your close cousin, having sexual intercourse with your first cousin is a criminal offense where I come from, that is Poland, and as far as I know it’s a similar situation in most of the western European countries
April 30, 2011 at 2:42 pmprejsu
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nah, my bad, I double checked it and it appears that it IS legal, even if it’s your first cousin. Kinda gross:/
April 29, 2011 at 9:22 amSoreii
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Best version of the ending so far!
April 29, 2011 at 10:40 amArrgghh!!
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That OP is stuck on replay inside my head o.O
April 29, 2011 at 11:23 amSnicket
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I’m calling it now. Somewhere in the middle of this series. It’s relieved that Erio/Meme and Makota aren’t related. At least I’m kind hoping, then it would make Meme’s actions this episode less creepy.
Still good episode, thought the way Makota brought Erio back to reality was a bit extreme. Then again this is an anime and doing things in a sensible way would have been boring.
-No a side note: I used to have a bike just like that growing up. Thought i never realized it was the same kind used in ET till long after i stopped ridding it.
April 29, 2011 at 11:32 amBROOKLYN otaku
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what? no Sandwich Woman?!?! on another note, if MY aunt looked like his, and did what she was doing, i’d have NO CHOICE but to hit it!
April 29, 2011 at 12:52 pmjellyfishistentacool
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Pokemon music at the start, lol!
April 29, 2011 at 1:14 pmCarVac
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(why did it post itself? strange…) You’re right! I knew it was familiar, but not why.
April 29, 2011 at 10:12 pmWow
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I completely missed that. Wonder how many references are in this ep.
April 30, 2011 at 3:49 amEtopen
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This was fantastic! Subtle but powerful reference
April 29, 2011 at 1:34 pmdefunktbots
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:3 kawaii………………………………………………………………………………………………..
April 29, 2011 at 1:53 pmanishuma
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God the OP and ED is so addicting D;
April 29, 2011 at 2:11 pmLalala
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In a very annoying way…
April 29, 2011 at 2:12 pmArisu
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If I didn’t know any better, I’d say the characters have some amazing hovering powers judging from the screen caps.
April 29, 2011 at 2:16 pmShortcut
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Erio vs. Victorique
Crazy vs. Genius
Futon vs. Goth
Pizza vs. Macarons
Damn… it’s hard to pick who’s cuter!!!
April 29, 2011 at 9:14 pmVagus
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use the right hand rule and everything will be okay. No need to pee in the pants here
April 29, 2011 at 2:42 pmDOOMGA
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what makes you say Erio is an incoherent wall? I find her extremely coherent. but then, I’m a little “off” like she is.
April 29, 2011 at 3:34 pmTester
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best show of the season…..
April 29, 2011 at 9:13 pmVagus
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yakitatte japan
April 29, 2011 at 3:41 pmBio D
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For reasons that I can’t quite fathom, this continues to be my favorite of the season.
The pillow scene had me roaring with laughter. Our hero continues to be a delight to watch.
April 29, 2011 at 3:41 pmSuzushina Yuriko
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lol, “I’ll smash that illusion of yours!” That came out of nowhere.
I actually really liked Ryuuko’s take on mysteries. “When I think about, I always wonder how much I really understand. But even so, for some reason, I’m able to keep on living. Maybe I’m alive because a bunch of mysteries came together.”
It’s something that I’ve thought about several times. I loved the presentation of that scene – it’s realistic and meaningful, and I think it ties into the whole alien theme because humans don’t really know all that much about the universe and about themselves.
April 29, 2011 at 4:44 pmRockmanshii
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I’m already so sold about this show I probably won’t have minded if Erio stayed forever like that, as long as it entertains me. It wasn’t that much mindless to me. True that Ryuuko is really a hit or miss character. Sometimes I hate that type , sometimes I love them. I’m pretty neutral towards her for now but I thinks she tends towards the like side.
I’m just waiting to see what happens now.
April 29, 2011 at 7:00 pmMrBrownSound
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You have to love the way they pronounce English. Than again, I would sound like an idiot if I tried to speak Proper Japanese. This episode feels like it’s the first episode of the series. Next episode hopefully we get some productive plot.
April 29, 2011 at 7:00 pmForceOfPresence
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It’s nice to have a strong male lead. he has definite opinions about Erio’s delusions and he even cured her of them in the third episode.
April 29, 2011 at 9:12 pmVagus
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he should be some kind of person that helps mental problems
April 29, 2011 at 7:05 pmO,ThouObjectivity!
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I don’t mind sticking in comments about aliens or religion, heck this is exactly the sort of show to make these sidelong remarks; but are we really content with the naive view expressed here, that it comes down to cheated and cheaters? Let’s be less stupidly objective about it, please, for it is always strange when objectivity fails to factor the social in its place. If it would not factor in the individual, at least it must factor in the social, but frequently because “the outer is the inner”, which is nonsense and dialectical witchcraft, it fails to do either.
April 29, 2011 at 7:09 pmxcswmboy
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I would have thought “Getting caught sniffing oba-san’s residue” should have counted for some minus Seishun points.
April 29, 2011 at 9:11 pmPandAEmic
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I thought the exact same thing…
April 29, 2011 at 11:37 pmBio D
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Maybe he counted it with the hug?
April 29, 2011 at 8:44 pmDude
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The mystery of whether Meme is seriously inviting Makoto or merely teasing him is Huge.
April 29, 2011 at 9:12 pmVagus
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of course
April 30, 2011 at 1:25 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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since the first episode, i’ve thought she had the hots for her nephew. which kinda makes me cringe. DX
April 29, 2011 at 9:11 pmVagus
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does anyone else not notice the gigantic strawberry in the 2nd pic?
May 4, 2011 at 4:09 pmSpacyRicochet
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What about the magically reappearing shoe? In one scene, while’s he’s still racing off the hill, they forgot to remove his shoe. Also, in the shot where he floating in the water, also a show silhouette. :P
April 29, 2011 at 10:06 pmhOmeRunDaisuki
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yay!! episode 3!! XD
gonna watch it now. XDD
April 29, 2011 at 11:47 pmRutlege
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i think i love you
April 30, 2011 at 1:23 amhOmeRunDaisuki
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more meme is nice! i like the parts with her. albeit i’m still wondering if erio’s really her daughter. hmm.
btw, i like ryuushii. XD i think she’s funny despite her talking nonsense. XDD
April 30, 2011 at 2:28 pmpieprsn
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Am I the only one who can’t stand the OP? Every time I hear it, I cringe. Sure, it opens up nicely, and the instrumentals are nice, and SHAFT did a good job with the animation, but THAT GIRL’S VOICE!!!! UGH!!!!! At least in America, people who can’t sing cover it up with electronics (although then again, they do that in Japan more than America). Her voice just sounds like she has plugs thrust up her nose and like she’s singing in a big open room that makes everything she sings echo. Ugh. = A =”’
I DO rather like our main character in this series. I enjoy how he isn’t like most weak male protagonists who are “pure of heart.” He’s a teenager. Teenagers have urges. On the other hand, he also has a mild case of “I must help everyone” syndrome.
April 30, 2011 at 2:30 pmKiiragi
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Nope, right there with you about the OP. Hate it.
April 30, 2011 at 3:44 pmboingman
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Just to state the obvious: Her voice is actually supposed to sound cringeworthy in the OP. :D
Damn, I missed all the anime references, although I know them. :(
May 1, 2011 at 6:15 amGhostalker
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Like the OP and ED, especially the ED its very childish almost nursery rhyme, but I think it fits the mood especially the story focuses on a weird girl :)
May 1, 2011 at 5:48 amRicalloo
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I like it and listen to it every time. To me, it sounds like she is in a Karaoke bar.
April 30, 2011 at 2:40 pmanishuma
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They need a futon version of the OP.
April 30, 2011 at 4:21 pmHenDarou
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I don’t mind Ryuuko’s incoherent babbling, to me she’s, at least for now, just a funny and cute character meant to bring some funny responses out of Niwa. I’m growing quite fond of Erio and overall I find the character interactions very entertaining.
May 1, 2011 at 6:13 amGhostalker
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Pretty intense episode… I like the few revelations regarding Erio and Meme’s past.
May 1, 2011 at 11:05 amAznSoulBoy
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Wait…the bike is sinking and the two of them are just standing there in the water as if it was not deep…
May 1, 2011 at 9:21 pmsealouse
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Hey I really like how that turned out. He accomplished in an afternoon what Meme couldn’t and probably wouldn’t ever if left alone. Meme might care about Erio, but like she said herself she’s not the greatest mother.
May 3, 2011 at 9:29 pmChocolate
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That scene with Makoto going down the slope with the bike was hilarious xD I loved how at first it went well, then he realized he can’t stop it, his shoe fell out, and then right near the end he just gives in and is like “screw it, we can fly!”
Just like you, I’m relieved with the ending too. Really nice to see Erio finally break out of her “alien stage”, or well at least getting there.
May 7, 2011 at 2:12 amClamdom
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Ryuushi is by far my favorite. I loved her in the date and the hospital scenes. Her attitude is too adorable. Plus she can be serious when the time comes. I can’t believe 2 guys already turned her down.