CODE GEASS / Final Impressions / First Impressions

Summary:

Facing Lelouch with her eyes open, Nunnally notes that it’s been eight years since she’s seen his face, and she calls it the face of a murderer. However, she thinks that she has the same look as him because she’s been the one firing the FLEIJA warheads, and she’s determined to stop him and refuses to hand over the key to the Damocles even if he uses Geass. Nunnally thinks that he is unfit to obtain the world and accuses him of trampling on people’s hearts, so Lelouch questions if she would have preferred to live a life of always having to hide in fear of assassination. He explains that he was doing it for the sake of her future, but Nunnally retorts that she never asked him for that and claims that she’d have been fine with just living with him. Lelouch counters by noting that reality is ruled by various people and that it’s necessary for them to fight.

Regardless, Nunnally considers the Geass power that distorts people’s hearts and tramples on their dignity to be despicable, and when Lelouch points out that the Damocles is the same in how it subjugates people, she surprises him by revealing that the Damocles is to become a symbol of hatred. For the sake of everyone being able to welcome the future, she intends for all of the hatred to be collected there. Realizing Nunnally’s goal, Lelouch decides to use his Geass power on her to force her to hand over the key. She tries to resist, but she soon falls victim to it. Kneeling down in front of her, Lelouch compliments her on how she’s living and acting on her own accord, and he tells her that he loves her as he takes the key. The Geass effect disappears soon after, and when Nunnally realizes what her brother did, she tries to chase after him, but she falls out of her chair and can only curse his name as he walks away.

Meanwhile, in the battle outside, Jeremiah’s Sutherland Sieg gets destroyed by Anya’s Mordred, but he uses the Sutherland unit to grab onto the Mordred and blow itself up. This damages the Mordred’s cockpit, allowing Jeremiah to jump onto it and peer inside at Anya. He wants her to remember his name – the name of the man who defeated her – but Anya knows that memories don’t mean anything for her. Hearing this leads to Jeremiah opening his Geass Canceler eye. Nearby, Kallen and Suzaku’s battle has gotten to the point where the Guren can’t use its radiation surge anymore and the Lancelot is out of shield energy. The two are forced to fight each other in close-quarters combat, and the battle ends only after Suzaku disables the Guren at the same moment that Kallen plunges the Guren’s arm into the Lancelot’s torso. The result is Kallen losing consciousness and Gino saving her while the Lancelot explodes.

In the ocean below, C.C. gets picked up by Kaguya and observes that Kaguya, despite only recently learning of Lelouch’s real face, understood a part of his true nature. Their conversation is interrupted by the detonation of another FLEIJA warhead in the skies above, but this time, it’s Lelouch who fired it. Declaring that Schneizel has surrendered to him and that the Damocles and the FLEIJA warheads are now his, Lelouch threatens everyone with FLEIJA’s power and forces them to obey him. Everything goes according to plan – despite Suzaku now being dead – with Lelouch succeeding in unifying the world, and two months later, he’s in Japan riding in a parade towards the executions of all who opposed him, including the Black Knight leaders and Schneizel. The common people are discontent with his tyrannical rule though, and Cornelia and Villetta are part of a resistance who are planning a strike. Before they can act, a man dressed as Zero suddenly appears in front of the parade, charges through all the guards, and goes straight for Lelouch.

Despite acting surprised, Lelouch smiles because he knows that this Zero is Suzaku in disguise. Some time ago, he had agreed to let Suzaku kill him once he got all of the world’s hate onto himself. The goal was an end to the chain of hatred. He had handed Zero’s mask to Suzaku because the identity of Zero was perfect for this due to the legend of Zero with the Black Knights and due to Schneizel serving Zero. Lelouch believed that this would allow the world to come together through talks rather than military might, and they could face the future. This was the Zero Requiem. Back then, the two had talked about how they knew that people hope for the future, and Lelouch commented on how wishes are similar to Geass in that both are requesting from someone else something that you can’t accomplish with your own power. He had also thought that Suzaku would become a hero by doing this because he’d be saving everyone from the enemy of the world.

As Suzaku now thrusts his sword into Lelouch, he can’t help but shed some tears. Slumping down, Lelouch quietly notes that the punishment for Suzaku is that he’ll be unable to live as himself anymore. He now has to wear that mask as an ally of justice and has to sacrifice his own happiness for world. Suzaku accepts this and pulls the sword out of Lelouch, allowing Lelouch to tumble down the platform towards where Nunnally is chained up. Touching his hand causes Nunnally to get a vision of the truth behind all this, and when she realizes what her brother is doing, she starts crying and declares that she loves him. Losing blood rapidly, Lelouch sees his life flash before his eyes, and his final words are about destroying and creating the world. Shortly after Lelouch closes his eyes, Cornelia appears with her men to declare him dead, and she gets all the prisoners freed. By now, Toudou has figured out who the masked person is, but Kallen insists that it’s just Zero, and the entire crowd starts cheering Zero’s name.

In the aftermath, everyone pursues his or her own path: Milly continues to be a TV reporter, Ougi is an important government official who meets with Zero and Nunnally, Villetta has married Ougi and is quite far along in her pregnancy, and Anya and Jeremiah are working as orange pickers. The matter of the Damocles is even settled by sending it towards the sun. Kallen returns to a normal life at Ashford Academy, and as if talking to Lelouch, she explains how much better the world has become. All the energy put into war is now being applied to hunger and poverty, and hatred was pushed onto Lelouch. Kallen surmises that it’s easier for people to understand a person with a name rather than a system called Damocles, and for that same reason she thinks that everyone is able to move forward without getting caught in the past. She acknowledges that there are still problems, but even so, she’s hopeful.

Meanwhile, in the countryside somewhere, C.C. is riding on a hay cart with her belongings. As she stares up at the sky, she notes that the power of the kings known as Geass makes people lonely, but – addressing Lelouch – she remarks that that wasn’t quite true.

My immediate reaction to this episode was something like disbelief or consternation because of how suddenly things ended. I probably shouldn’t be surprised though that the epilogue felt rushed, and it certainly didn’t help that they chose to use that ALI PROJECT song that I’m not a big fan of to close it all out instead of something better like Colors or Mosaic Kakera. Of course, I said “immediate reaction” because the more I thought about what happened, the more positive I felt about the conclusion. If you’ve been paying attention in the series and didn’t get lost in all of the complexities and plot twists (which even I acknowledge was a little overboard in R2), then you can build a case about Lelouch still being alive based on the Code he might have received. C.C. thus might have been talking directly with Lelouch at the end there instead of her talking with the dead or whatever. Taking that one step further, you could say that Lelouch would now be R.R., aka. R2, the title of the series.

On the other hand, Lelouch might just be dead – that’s the beauty of having a semi-open-ended finale. The ambiguity allows you to interpret what happened however you want. Incidentally, since I’ve spent all this time talking about Lelouch, I should mention that – given all he did – I thought that the burden of having to be Zero forever was a suitable fate for Suzaku. I also thought they did a good job with Lelouch’s death – it was a sad scene, much of it due to the Hitomi song Continued Story playing in the background. But anyway, my point is that for a series that looked at some points like it was going to end in a horrible jumbled mess, this turned out to be a fairly good way to conclude things. How much closure you get out of it depends on how you interpret Lelouch’s fate. And ultimately we’ll never know for sure if he’s alive or dead unless Sunrise makes another sequel with him in it – and I hope that they never do.

Final Thoughts: I think it’s fair to say that R2 is a strong series, but maybe not quite as good as the original. It felt like they were going one direction in the first series and then switched to a completely different direction for the sequel, and the latter just never matched up. But despite the ups and the downs, I still think of CODE GEASS as a really good show – it has some great characters, plenty of excitement and plot twists, and if nothing else, it’s been entertaining the entire way through. That’s more than I can say for a lot of shows. In any case, it’s a little sad to think that a series I’ve been following for so long is finally over, but fortunately the premiere of Gundam 00’s second series next weekend should bring something new to enjoy.

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  4. Fuck SURNISE, I own you my apologies. What an awesome END!

    So… that was the Requiem of Zero, a way to eliminate Lelouch from the people’s hearts and gave the world the true freedom they deserved. Lelouch gave up his life to atone for everyone’s sins; his mother, his father, his brothers and sisters, and finally, himself.

    You’re the man Lelouch, you’re the man.

    Syaoran Li
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  6. EPIC end to epic series.

    Leloiuch dieing resolved the conflict perfectly, Kallen’s love for Lelouch confirmed, Lelouch got his redemption, two most important women for Lelouch were revealed as Shirley and Kallen.

    Great epilogue

    If anyone will go on with “geass is trainwreck” it will only prove that masses are attracted to the “hating geass is new cool thing in town” stupidity.

    UnknownVoice
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  33. Holy crap, i could get a good idea of what happened in the episode from the screen caps. The show is freaking EPIC! Lelouch is the most amazing anime character since spikru from bebop, probably even better. EPIC!!! long live lelouch!

    Hzilla
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  38. Credit to Nick:

    I believe in Emperor Wakamoto, the Father almighty, 98th Emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire.
    I believe in Lelouch vi Britannia, his favored Son, our Lord.
    He was conceived by the power of Geass and born of Queen Marianne.
    He suffered under Suzaku, was crucified, died, and was buried.
    He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
    He ascended into World of C and is seated in Jupiter.
    He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
    I believe in Geass,
    the Holy Britannian Empire, the communion of Mao,
    the forgiveness of sins,
    the resurrection of the body,
    and the life everlasting.
    Amen.

    Random muser
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  43. Bwahahahahaha! It happened, it actually happened! Before the second season I made up many theories of what would happen to Suzaku. One of them actually was that Suzaku would become the new Zero and it actually happened in the end! O yeah, Jeremiah totally owned Anya. Who needs a Knightmare when you can just pop its head off and attack the pilot, especially when the pilot’s about fifteen. I also kinda find it ironic that Jeremiah’s working in a farm… of oranges!

    the burnt shadow
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  47. Look for anyone who wants to dis this ending go ahead but I got some peace from it, and you know what, I really believe that its Lou&CC on that wagon. WHy? well because sometimes you have to have faith in CC’s smile =D

    Konstantinos
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  48. UnknownVoice:
    Actually, I see the complete opposite. There’s a large group of Geass fans who are so convinced beforehand that the series can’t do wrong that they’ll overlook anything. While there will undoubtedly be people who claim the series is a train wreck JUST to go against the popular crowd, there are some people (like us bloggers) who are trying to be more critical and analytical of the series. The people who don’t do so seem to be treating the series like a sports team or something, supporting it 100% regardless of what it does. If I recall correctly, there was a name for similar group of fans for another series. Oh right, “Narutards”. :\

    divine
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  51. @Omni

    Lelouch dieing did a lot of things.

    For starters it made Zero into world-wide famous hero, who ended the rule of “Kaligula”. The world-wide influence and acceptance.
    For second he has shown the world the horrors of monarchy and made everyone forget the massacre princess and previous bad things by doing even worse.
    For third he made sure that Schneizel would follow Suzaku’s orders (“Follow Zero’s orders” command last episode). Suzaku/Zero got a tactician worthy of Lelouch in his command now.
    For fourth he made sure that the world would see Nunnally, Schneizel and Suzaku as martyrs for the tyranny named monarchy. Victims who would be accepted as the ones who REALLY want to change it.

    So yeah, Lelouch’s death did a lot of good things. Starting the real way to the peace and the true death of Britannia’s tyranny.

    UnknownVoice
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  55. It’s finally over.

    I feel I can forgive Sunrise somewhat for all the bullshit in R2 with Lelouch dying, since it brings proper closure to his own story. Also his ultimate dream was still to create a world where Nunnally could live happily, in the end, he realised that with the path he chose, he would have to die for that to become reality, so he chose to die to make it a reality, rather than shying away like a coward.

    He faced his own end like a man, and for that I feel that the ending is completely acceptable.

    RM
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  59. At least it was an alright ending I guess
    Everyone is happy and all but I really hope they will make a 5 minute OVA for the last DVD of Code Geass R2

    Or Code Geass R2- Final Plus

    or something cause I like to see slighty more of Code Geass Sub-story for each character before they really really end this

    Akira
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  60. @divine
    the best is the middle. Accepting the faults, but accepting the good sides to.

    I am in no way saying that Geass was perfect – series had its own problems -just-barely-believable-coincidences, pacing problems, animation problems.

    The problem here is that people just go with the masses on “geass is trainwreck” without any argumentation. Usually when someone has an opinion about something he should be ready to back it up. And no, “omg its full of plot holes” is not a successful backing for opinion.

    My problem with most of people is that they tend to go on hype, either “omg it rules” or “omg it sucks”. Geass went into phase where “saying that show is bad is good thing” is spreading like an internet meme.

    Overall my opinion is that such end was perfect for geass(if not for rushed first part of episode). It embodied all the ideals the show carried, left enough open-endingness for people to discuss and speculate AND made a touching and nice epilogue. Even if geass had its shortcomings, I am satisfied with how series turned out..

    UnknownVoice
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  63. Kaioshin Sama:
    Fair enough, but I recall you calling Omni a “sellout to the train wreck crowd” back in episode 23, so I don’t see how that was called for. Considering that Omni’s been blogging the series since the first episode of the first season, I think he’s more than capable of giving an unbiased opinion.

    divine
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  67. I dont like the possible relation Kallen and Gino, I hoped Suzaku kill Gino, because he is a nobody.
    Kallen losing against Suzaku is something I accept, she was a good pilot, but I admit Suzaku is better.
    Suzaku becoming Zero I like that, is ironic.
    Question, why the black knight never realize Lelouch (Zero) true intentions???

    homoplasia
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  69. I figured that Lelouch might die. And it happened. Thus, it puts an end to the unresolved Milly x Lelouch relationship. If figured that Kallen x Gino might work out. But I always held firm that Lelouch real love interest was Milly Ashford, rather than Kallen or C.C.

    With that said, it looks like that Code Geass is over. So Lelouch will finally join Euphemia and Shirley at rest.

    Max
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  70. @UnknownVoice: The thing is that the people occupying the middle-ground are so few and the meaning of the word moderation doesn’t seem to apply to the average reaction to this show. It’s either Epic or Shit, but never just good, solid or decent. In the end I think Code Geass will be remembered as one of those shows that got to popular for it’s own good. Once you catch the eye of 4chan and your average troll like this show did it’s pretty much all over for real discussion. It’ll just get to the point where you can’t tell who is trolling and who is being serious and then before you know it everyone is at each others throat and nobody is happy with the show.

    All that’s left to do is wait for the trolls to move on to other things and then we’ll see what the real reaction to the show was. Maybe well even get that discussion and speculation about the ending that you and I want. For now there’s really nothing to stop the same old reactions. We’ll just have to wait it out.

    Kaioshin Sama
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  72. I’d like to know CC’s real name as well 😮

    I dunno, couldn’t Lulu simply have created a better world as the emperor he was? Not sure why he decided to play the evil guy in the end … but haven’t seen it yet.

    minikui
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  75. @dexter,

    As far as I know, I dont think that was ever disclosed. I don’t really know.

    I just wanted to ask if Sayoko ever showed up in this episode since I haven’t seen her in any of the screens.

    As far as the way the ending went, I felt that lelouch dying was expected yet the end was still satisfying. I guess that was his “Zero Requiem.” Have Suzaku take the name of Zero and end Lelouch’s life for the greater “good” I suppose is how you would look at it.

    As for shippings, looks like we didn’t get much closure on it but if the rumor about lelouch being the driver of the cart, then it would mean that luluxcc would be the end pairing.

    marvin
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  77. I don’t understand why people think that Code transfer means death or memory loss.
    The nun was crazy and killed herself after she transferred her code. VV was injured from the battle and died. Code transfer doesn’t mean death.
    Next – memory loss. CC sealed her code away and she lost all her memory to the point where she got the geass. If code transfer means memory loss, then the nun had to kill herself before she got the code.
    More importantly, VV could not remember Marianne or CC.
    Next – to activate the code, you have to die. This is a nice theory – the geass first worked on Charles and when he shot himself, his Code activated. CC was wounded after she transferred her code. The only problem here is VV – the source of his Code / Geass is unknown.
    Code transfer also does not require contact. The nun and CC we’re apart and so we’re Charles and VV.
    So Lulu has some chances of survival, the transfer and CC still having her memories works, but the question is – did he know how everything exactly works?
    If Lulu is dead, okay, fine, so be it.

    Gawain
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  78. I forgot!!! Lelouch have to live if not the Geass effect will disapear!!!
    Maybe Lelouch used the Geass in Gino and order him to protec Kallen, if that happend I will accept that relation.

    homoplasia
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  81. Wow, what an ending. I loved the ending, personally. I said to myself while I waited for the raw of the episode that the end would make or break the series for me in terms of it’s ending. I can safely say it’s one of my favorite anime ever, and yes I’ve seen a lot.

    C.C. is alive, and I love that. I love a happy ending, and I feel as if I got one through this. In the end, the “Goodbye Lelouch, Farewell Suzaku” in the preview ended up being true. Lelouch’s sacrafices to attone for his journey proved how awesome he truly is, and I can safely say I enjoyed the ride that was Code Geass. <3

    THE Tony
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  86. Kaioshin: Well you’re familiar with my default reaction to all shows, so you should know that I found Code Geass okay. Not great, not even that well-done — the corners the series cut plot-wise, pacing-wise, and characterization-wise are easy to spot — but what’s important is that it entertained me for the duration of the season. It ended well in it’s own regard, and that’s what matters.

    Myssa Rei
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  89. well a good and bad…
    when lelouch started with his zero plan i have this feeling they might be bringing back zero. A good ending for lelouch who had sin that much to archieve the true world peace for everyone but not so good ending for suzaku for he is currently living his life as zero and no more as suzaku for he is dead for good in name and in history as knight of zero…
    Guess nunnally finally learn the truth behind his brother motif sad for her as her brother need to be dead but thats what lelouch wanted. I don’t see li Xing ke with our loli empress is he dead as well? and are we safe to say that guilford is pair up with cornelia in the end ?
    its funny to see orange-kun with anya.

    jeffng9
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  90. Its a FFT ending.

    the fake hero gets credit for everything while the real hero is supposed to be dead but secretly lives his life happily with someone close to him.

    Zero is the savior, and lulu who is no longer zero is off my himself doing his own thing.

    Nunnally had contact with him as he was laying there and like we have seen before she saw him memories and understood what he did. He is later taken away, revived, and with C.C. he lived happily ever after while everyone thinks he is dead. He knows having Code makes you immortal, and if he is so smart and promises C.C. that he will fulfill her wish then he will take her code allowing her the ability to age and die, while fake his own death for the world to come together.

    If you think Lulu died, then you think hes an idiot. Why would he kill himself, if he knows he can take C.C.’s code and fake his death?

    Jay
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  91. @dexter

    Suzaku playing as Zero was all part of Lelouch’s plan. Unfortunately, even if that were lulu driving the cart, I highly doubt there will be a season 3. I can somewhat see an OVA but seeing as how the series ended, I don’t think there would be any materila to merit that.

    marvin
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  98. @Myssa Rei: Yeah, pretty much. Code Geass is definitely not the stuff of masterpieces or anything quite so ridiculous. I don’t really think anime is, but it accomplished what it needed to do and that was to keep me entertained and interested in it’s story and characters….well other than Gino that is. To me Code Geass’ only real major failures were Gino, C.C not getting enough screentime and episodes 05, 12 and 20. Yeah, contrary to most people’s opinion there were more episodes I thought were well done in the second half than in the first half as there was more plot relevant stuff and less school hijinks.

    Now everything that could be resolved may not have been resolved, but if it’s mostly stuff like C.C’s real name or the ending for some minor characters then it’s not really going to kill it for me. It really sounds like they focused on what is important and that was Zero’s Requiem. It’s still not as open or confusing as the Big O and part of the fun of the ending should be speculating and discussing what really happened in the final scenarios. Well….it should be, I’m not saying it will. That’s sort of up to the viewers.

    Kaioshin Sama
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  99. @Jay

    Lelouch taking CC’s code would have meant that CC would be dead, which is clearly not the case. As shown before, when one’s code was taken (VV and CC’s previous holder of the code), the previous holder of the code dies.

    marvin
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  100. Code Geass R2 will be a failure in my eyes. Went so well until episode 20+, where things just went out of character. Like the others, I also thought that this episode would make or break the series, foolishly hoping it would somehow turn out well, but it didn’t. First off, doesn’t make any sense at all that Lelouch would have fought so hard, sacrificed so many things to get where he was, only to simply die in the end? A brilliant tactician he was, yet the creators just decide to off him and make a lame “happy” ending. Secondly, Lelouch fought against Britannia in the beginning so that he could avenge Nunnally and himself, for how foolish the Britannia family was, which was what the show was really about, showing Lelouch gather forces to fight against Charles and the entire Britannian empire, but suddenly he becomes the most hated guy just because the Black Knights decided he was geassing them the whole time, thus forgetting their entire anger and frustraion on how Charles enslaved the Japanese people, even degrading them by giving them the name Elevens? The series stopped making sense a long time ago, such a shame it will never be as good as it wanted to be. A good example on how an anime series whose creators thought since the first season did so well, no matter what would happen to the second season, they would continue to profit and expect people to just accept whatever crap endings they produced.

    Yamamoto
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  101. and with the last episode, all I have to say, this is the second best series since death note. A bit too much some times, a bit shallow some others, but the character development made me want more. After every episode I was craving for more. I’m sad this series is over because Code Geass was a bit different than the other mecha series.
    So long to a very awesome series.

    Hellishdude
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  103. @Yamamoto
    1. It was decided that story would be 50-episode long even before it started. If it was not given a go of R2, it would have just ended with the face off at the end of R1, exactly the same.
    2. Lelouch dieing being the final part worked perfectly. He succeeded in destroying Britannia, his fathers ideals and even the monarchy itself, as well as opening the way for the true peace.
    3. You have to be REALLY dense to think that Charles would be final villain. If anything this much was clear ever since his first appearance.

    UnknownVoice
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  105. R2 will go down as a failure in the history of failed sequels just like the matrix, star wars and jaws … R1 is the best anime I’ve ever watched but this is just … ya I’m sure you fanboys were drooling all over this ending. Good thing it ENDED, couldn’t have done a worse job.

    addikt
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  108. If Lelouch dont geassed Gino and order him protec Kallen, I prefer Kallen an nobody, but is she have some brain she maybe realize that Lelouch is alive in somewere.
    At the end she return to the school just as Zero (Lelouch) want.

    homoplasia
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  111. Lulu is sitting there on the hay cart but camera is focused on CC….and the one who died was Sayoko, his perfect double 🙂

    Now that would be an open ending, but I don’t really think its possible ^_^;;

    saku
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  113. @Kaioshin Sama, I totally agree with you on all parts. You just tell it like it is instead of going like these guys here and say omg best series ever, instead of actually noticing how bad it went.

    UnknownVoice
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  118. a friend found this on a forum …it makes some logic .
    Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. He’s now travelling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to her if he was there.

    Also, the screenie of the cart driver who is masking his features competely supports this.

    zeroLockon
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  125. i’m guessing either xing-ke is out on business during those moments or he actually did pass away from his disease.

    well, if cc did pass her code to lelouch, then the rumor of lelouch driving that hay cart is likely true. guess we wont know. I read some other posts in other places that CC mentions “nee, lelouch?” at the very end, hinting the rumor iof him being alive is true. can anyone confirm?

    marvin
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  127. Eh, I don’t understand the hate. As far as plot is concerned, I think the Requiem makes sense.

    1. Lulu wants to create a good world, where Nunally can be happy and there is peace.
    2. He’s screwed up many times, starting with Euphie’s accident. That geass was an accident.
    3. There are other “evil” characters like Charles and Schniezel who have their own plans for the world.

    Therefore, he take the “all the way” route of consuming all evils in the world onto himself. He commits many atrocities and takes over Schniezel and FLEIA. He creates an image to the rest of the world that he is the ultimate evil. Then, with his death, all “evil” is removed from the world and all that remains is peace.

    Albeit, Nunally (and all of Lulu’s friends) loses Lulu in the process, but at least the world is peaceful.

    Lulu’s death (or not?) reminds me of Rolo’s, and how Sunrise seems to be able to pull off some good endings for characters.

    math4origami
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  129. that cart driver is SOOO lelouch

    isn’t C.C talking to him at the final scene and the meaning of those words meant that he won’t be alone? 😀

    furthermore, the memory transfer to Nunnaly is a trait of immortals with the Code so he wouldn’t have died from the stab wound

    Lelouch probably got the code from Charles or C.C, and now is living happily ever after with C.C while traveling the countryside

    LuluxCC
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  131. What the hell? That’s it? Lelouch dies,alone? Wtf… Schneizel should be the one who dies,Ougi and Toudou for betraying Zero.Why don;t C.C. stopped “Zero” killed Lelouch? But I guess that she knows that already.

    And these guys are happy that Lelouch is dead? Totally out of expectations,and totally sucks.

    This anime is one of the greatest animes ever,and this is the final episode? Man,this really makes me pissed…

    Jeremiah grows oranges? That makes me laugh.haha.

    At last,we can confirm that Kallen loves Lelouch,and Lelouch loves Kallen too.This is enough makes me happy for this episode.

    Don;t know about this,but I hope the cart driver is Lelouch,but I highly doubted that myself.

    Sunrise,please make an OVA or a movie or something to give us a better happy ending,where Kallen will be reunited with Lelouch.

    Thanks for blogging the whole two seasons,Omni.I appreciate that.^_^

    Chaos Master
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  136. I saw this in AS Forum :

    – Lelouch got Charles’ Code.
    – Lelouch still has Geass from C.C.

    So he is the first person to have CODE GEASS.

    (and he is still alive ! LelouchxCC forever !)

    Ansonii
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  137. If they were to make a movie sequel, a cool idea would be something like the 3rd death note live action, where L solves a case. Lulu would still be alive (but no one knows that), so he would have to solve the problem as zero again.

    math4origami
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  138. Well i watched the episode and i think this was jsut too early.So many questions unanswered.But i really think lulu is still allive.Someone posted about an idea that lulu gained charles’s code and now lulu and C.C are travelling together as immortals.In the end where C.C was on the wagon he was asking lelouch and damn the ending comes before we could be 100% sure if hes dead or alive.Well since so many questions unansvered i hove we’ll get a special or a movie that will answer them like C.C name and is lulu still alive.

    xlr
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  139. Are you guys serious? Lulu Alive? *sigh*, He’s in the World of C, it’s the only way he and CC (who’s still immortal) can be together forever.

    And did everyone really just mentally block out all the signs/hints/clues about the dark king dying? From the chess piece to other things, you guys think it was there for nothing?

    The only way to make up for everything he did was to die, shitty to the lulu fans I’m sure, but oh well.

    GP
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  141. GP, your three to four sentences make little sense, if any. Must be one of those kids who brainwashed themselves into thinking Code Geass is the best anime since..forever. It’s totally possible for Lelouch to be alive, since CC would not be talking to anyone else besides her, nub.

    Lelouch
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  148. I don’t get it… with Lelouch dying, everyone will achieve happiness? I don’t understand… Half the person in Ougi’s wedding photo had been trying to kill off each other. Tell me if I am wrong… but I just so don’t get it….. I mean…. WTH?

    Great series, anyway. Sigh. Too bad C,C and Lelouch didn’t stay together at the end……

    Stella
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  149. Hey guys, I did not kill Lelouch, I repeat, that I did not kill him. I merely pierced him with my sword to fake his death, so that his wish would be granted. Do not hate me guys, I just wanted to help Nippon escape from Britannia’s clutch. I cried before sleeping, knowing that I lost Lelouch as a good friend, someone who in the end was there for me.

    Suzaku
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  151. Suzaku, much love. :3

    Gino in China is a flashback pic just like all the pics on that wall! Look at Viletta and notice her stomach is not budging out yet! I bet he returned to Ashford to be a student. :3

    Mk
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  152. Look guys i am like 4 episodes behind! When i see them i will comment but let me add this!

    If the Geass Effect of Lelouch was still active AFTER his death, in any scene of this episode then simply he is not dead! WHy? Because when a Geass User dies his victims are free of his influence!

    I dont know if this happened! When i watch the episode i will know for sure!

    Link_Soul
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  156. @Lelouch

    Are you brain dead? I don’t like the show but I can post about it regardless, which of the two of us is the bigger fan here with the name you’ve decided to use eh?

    As shown in the series you can talk to anyone who’s in the world of C, Charles even talked to clovis ffs. It’s also shown that if you have a code YOU DON’T HAVE A GEASS. When the hell did Lulu get Charles code? Are you guys even thinking about this? When he killed Charles and his mom in the world of C he used his upgraded geass, after he’s still got it. You either have the code and are immortal or have your geass eye hax and arn’t, there is no both together. And after you give your code you die.

    I really don’t see where you guys are coming up with or holding on to this idea that he’s still alive. Sunrise wouldn’t hide it, they’re not that clever with this sorta writing we’ve seen.

    GP
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  159. Because Geass is too powerful.
    Lelouch want to put the end of everything and himself so he ask his close friend Suzaku as the new Zero (fake his own death) to kill him to put the end of himself and the power of Geass for good.

    ededdeddy
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  160. @Lelouch: Like I said earlier, I still think the people that brainwashed themselves into thinking that Code Geass was like the worst anime ever take the cake. It’s one thing to be a blind fanboy, but at least usually they aren’t hurting anyone….well normally. The other side is just disruptive and annoying for the most part. Most of their comments tend to be of the “…..yeah….thanks for sharing” variety.

    Kaioshin Sama
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  164. “zeroLockon at 6:12 am on September 28th, 2008

    a friend found this on a forum …it makes some logic .
    Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. He’s now travelling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to her if he was there.

    Also, the screenie of the cart driver who is masking his features competely supports this.”

    I also agreed that it makes sense that Lelouch took charles’ code because if u watch Episode 21,Marianne said that without 2 Codes,Ragnarok cannot work.Somemore Ragnarok isn’t destroyed,if it did,the world will end.Most likely “Zero Requiem” is when Lelouch died,C.C. bring him to a hidden place where he is “rose” up again.But this time with him immortal.The memories that Nunnally saw was to let her believe that Lelouch did that for the world so that his sister won’t hate him….i guess.”Zero Requiem” is also to help Lelouch and C.C. to be together??? o.0? I also believe that Cart Driver is Lelouch and C.C. travelling together.^^

    Well these i can think of….if its wrong dun blame me. T-T
    I also hope that there will be a OVA like a Chibi Party(Got that idea from FMA) for Code Geass or a live-action movie. ^^ If there is a OVA for Chibi Party,it will totally AWESOME!!!!

    Kndfnumber1
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  169. Ok, after watching the raw, I’m convinced Lelouch is still alive. But I’m not convinced that there will still be a season 3 though. Kinda sad, really. In the end, as much as I do every after episode of Code Geass, I still want more of it!!

    We don’t even get to know C.C.’s real name.

    m-san
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  172. Right I forgot to bring this up, but in many instances characters end up talking with someone who his dead and say “isn’t thats right?(insert name)” Its very typrically, gives more emotion to it, nothing more that was the point in her saying that, its doesn’t literally mean she is talking to Lulu.

    Sato
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  175. this is soo disturbing.

    and there i hoped lelouch to get some happiness, not being alone anymore, he who suffered so much through the whole series – and now look – everyone can enjoy there life and lelouh is gone…

    actually i don’t have a proof but i really really wish, that lelouch is the one with c.c at the ending, i just don’t want to imagin c.c to be alone again and lelouch gone for good.

    so i will believe in the words, that lelouch has got the code and is now immortal – is it that difficult for some of you to accept, that some peoples feel like thinking that way ???

    tommykn
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  176. Well,
    The death of Lelouch came as no surprise, ever since episode 13 when Shirley died. However, the writers have never resolved Milly’s feelings for Lelouch in any way, in my opinion. But once his Zero identity was exposed to his enemies, he could never go back to his old life at Ashford Academy. As a result, he had to create a plan B, which was Zero’s Requiem. This way, he makes the world believe that he is a villain so that the fake Zero would be a hero for peace. He fulfilled his goal of making Suzaku Nunnally’s Knight and redeeming Euphemia’s name.

    I guess every since Euphemia died, he wanted to atone for that sin. As much as I would have wanted a Milly x Lelouch relationship, you guys were right by saying that it was very unlikely given the direction that the series was going. And I used to believe that neither C.C. or Kallen was Lelouch’s love interest, and felt that the only reason why Shirley and Lelouch was paired was because she made it known to him. Milly never got a chance to do so. Thus we’ll never know how it might have turned out between them.

    In July, I thought that one of the most likeliest endings for Kallen was for her to be reunited with her mother and living together. That prediction came true. I also suspected that a Kallen x Gino relationship might have been the best possible outcome, even though most were against it. The only option that I figured that was likely to end the speculation of Lelouch’s possible love interest was he own death, which had became a reality.

    One thing was for certain. Since Charles became an immortal and disappeared, Lelouch had no other choice but to become Emperor before anyone else had a chance to do so. This way, he could unite the world against him, in order to end the old Britannia, once and for all. So Zero’s Requiem was planned between him and Suzaku. Suzaku sees the new world, but he can’t enjoy it, while Lelouch dies to join Shirley and Euphemia. So Suzaku is on the losing end of the stick.

    Lelouch will certainly go down in history as the most unpopular Emperor of all time, thus making Euphemia’s massacre a forgotten memory. But I guess that was the only option that he had to work with. At least, he gave C.C. a reason to live again. To think that Charles plan would have worked had he not treated Lelouch in a emotionless manner following Marianne’s death.

    V.V. jealousy for Marianne x Charles happiness was his eventual undoing because the cursed Prince(Lelouch) was realized. And the old Britannia is no more.

    Overall, the last episode, where everyone is happy is too superficial. They seemed to believe that Lelouch was far worse than any other Emperor in history. Not to mention that they might still be a greater evil on the horizen.

    So, I guess that they will never be a fanservice for Milly Ashford. The writers probably forgotten about her after Turn 12. And seeing that the last 13 episodes was nothing but plot development, like a loaded hand gun waiting to be discharged, Lelouch would be the one to take the bullet. And he did.

    I thought that Code Geass would be one of those rare series that would turn out to be amazing. At least the 1st season was. The second half of the R2 was a very typical of most of the animes that I have seen where the main character dies and important matters are unresolved. Sometimes, I wish that I had never seen Code Geass to begin with because whenever I start to like the series, it always ends with the character’s death. Just like the Death Note and Cowboy Bebop. So predictable of Sunrise.

    Sorry for the long rant. But this puts an end to my post on this forum. The only reason why I posted was because I was dying to see how things might have turned out between Milly x Lelouch. It never happened. As well as the fact that R2 was not as planned due to the change of the series timeslot to Sunday at 5PM. I now suspect that the “Planned Version” of R2 would have been so much better.

    Take care everyone!!!!

    Max
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  179. Well, i kinda expected this but it still shocked me that Lulu is dead. For a world that is so divided in philosophy and government – lulu needed to be a greater evil for thee whole world to unite against him.

    Bakanekokun
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  184. there is really no way to proof lelouch is the one who is driving the wagon, but maybe they release some picture books regarding this.

    i just want to believe he his lelouch, since they hide his face for speculation…and there everyone is free to say what they think…i’m really sad about c.c. being empty handed again, after finding lelouch.

    tommykn
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  187. Nice theory RC i think that your reason is actually true. Also it confirms my theory from 3 months ago. And yes Sunrise is heavily hinting that lelouch is driving the cart.

    Why are there wooden carts in the future, cuz from my guess atb 2018 is 2800’s in AD.

    Best ending but they mixed death note and eva together.

    Who thinks they want to see the writer’s original story?

    How does Arthur know where suzaku’s “grave” is? can he read?

    Lol the one who opposed zero the most became zero and took his revenge.

    This is the best story ever(though they need to fix it a bit). Very good ending seeing that they combined the endings of 2 very popular series together in a good way.

    Tsukuyomi
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  188. Wow how can you not get it?? He is just feeling very sleepy at that moment. God let the main character rest. It’s just like Rollo he didn’t actually die he just feel asleep and got amnesia and never found his way back onto the screen.

    kendoggs
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  189. oh and lelouch is alive cuz his geass is still working on Smigol(his brother but i forgot his name) See in one of the pics hes is standing behind “Zero”2 (for those who have watched the ep yet its suzaku)
    They should just fix nunnally’s dam legs. Its the fckin future, make her into an orange kun or something, give her auto-mail or just regular prosthetic legs.

    Tsukuyomi
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  198. Lelouch hasn’t died yet, evidence pointing to the Geass effect still active on his older brother. Makes sense that if the user who geassed the other person died, then the effect would have gone also.

    Grimmjow
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  199. Wow, great character Lelouch. A real leader. To the very end, he’s serving a cause higher than himself, really nice, stuck through with that till the very bitter end.
    Too bad, I thought C.C. would elope with LeLouch, they make a nice couple.

    Michael Bay
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  201. Hmm ok I read all the comments here and I would like to add few things to the theory about RR o_O

    Anyway it seems to be very close to the truth for me at least, since everyone should already know after watching so many episodes that the code kicks in after the person dies, which explains why would CC have that scar or when Charles got geassed by Lulu, YOU CANT GEASS CODE USERS, thats enough for me to believe that Charles code kicked when he killed himself. So imo, its either…he gets the code from Charles and still have his geass, or he gets the code and looses his geass when he dies at the end since, there are always 2 codes?

    Ill go for my ending, since I don’t really think that Lulu’s death is a good ending for him….where everyone enjoys happy life, he kicks the bucket oO

    saku
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  202. RaRutsu a.k.a. RR a.k.a. Lelouch got his Code from Charles, his dad, when he killed him. Thus he retained his Geass powers that he obtained from C.C. and got a immortality code from his Dad making him CODE GEASS: LELOUCH of the rebellion R2 (R.R.).

    Anonymous
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  205. Lol look at Anya’s expresion(its hard to see but it looks like this -.- ) Why is Miya trying to rape Rivalz? Ougi must be very lucky to have 2 loli world leaders at his wedding
    Toudou is a pedo (kind of)
    Guildford ur not a agent(matrix) so dont dress like one, especially if ur gunna smile in a retarded way.
    Tamaki is trying to take ougi from behind.
    The loli chinese girl is too short to be older than me.
    Asahina is still alive?
    Where is Nunnally?

    2 great series ended this weekend, Macross Frontier and Code: Geass
    Should they consider, Code Geass : Suzaku of the rebellion?
    Cecile is trying to be a loli(ur too dam old)
    Why is Miya at the wedding in the first place? inst she just an unimportant character that was to fade off after Ruru geassed her to fck off?
    Anya is my favorite character besides RR and CC
    They didnt give us CC’s real name.
    Gino looks like that guy from Ouran High(was his name tamaki or something)
    CG is over… sniff* sniff*
    I know how darkmirage feels.
    Subliminal messages in Code Geass: Eat pizza, become obsessed with oranges, plan everything ahead, be a loli or shota, get together with old people, and finally never expect a harem ending in great stories.

    Now that code geass is over, go read Full Metal Panic.

    Omega Knighx
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  209. I my opinion, if Code Geass is ever brought back, it might be a reset version of R2. There was so such to talk about. But they cram everything. The best option would have been to focus on the Geass Cult and V.V. for R2. Anything else, like Charles and Marianne, could have told later on. The problem with R2 was the fact that the writers wanted to tell everything at once instead of taking their time.

    Had they had used R2 to explain the Geass Cult and V.V. as the season focus, there might have been a lot of time for the writers to explain the relationship between Lelouch and Milly as well, after Episode 13. Instead, they killed off V.V. and the Geass Cult all at once. That might have cleared a lot of things up if they had used R2 as the focus of C.C. creation of the Cult and her relationship with V.V. and Marianne.

    I feel that the writers cramed in at least 3 potential seasons into 13 episodes(Geass Cult, The World of C, and the battle against Britannia). This was why R2 didn’t flow too well. It might have been enjoyable if they had taken their time and not rush their ideas altogether.

    Max
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  213. Lelouch lives by using Chales’s code. It is activated after Suzaku stabbed him.
    Every Code owner activated their code this way: C.C. by getting stab at her heart and Charles shot himself in the heart.

    Double IMMORTAL END!!! ENJOY YOUR SPICE AND WOLF MERCAHNT TRAVEL ALL OVER AGAIN!>!>!>!!

    asdfasdf
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  215. Terrible Ending, It seems that the Japanese believe that suicide can wash away dishonour. With Lelouch’s talents, there was so much more that he could have done for his country instead of killing himself.

    X
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  218. I respected Lelouch to a point too. It’s nice to see that he’d like to sacrifice himself for so many others, and to possibly erase his sins, but it still ends up being slightly selfish. I mean.. look at what he did to poor Nunally? And Suzaku?

    Okay, I actually don’t care. I’d like to buy into the whole “He’s driving the cart, why else would C.C. be so happy” and such. Now instead of dying alone without her Code, she can live as an immortal with Lelouch. Everyone wins.

    Akiyama
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  219. Now that I think of it its kinda dumb for Lulu to geass his father and tell him to kill himself instead of making him his slave, who would follow any order anyway….this would change whole R2 story :O

    saku
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  220. @UnknownVoice

    ^
    is fucking a Code Geass fanboy who does not know or care about story sturcture or anything that made Code Geass R2 popular.””If anyone will go on with “geass is trainwreck” it will only prove that masses are attracted to the “hating geass is new cool thing in town” stupidity.”” He said, is too much of a discrimination to the people/viewers who did not like Code Geass R2. In my opinion, you should go to the nearest mental hospital or something.

    O_O
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  221. Waw, “Code Geass R2” certainly had an amazing ending!
    I do regret a few important matters and plots were not resolved, like CC’s name.

    I’ve read a few good arguments to suggest Lelouch is alive, and even though I personally want there to be a happy ending where CC isn’t left alone but can live on together with Lelouch (imagine after CC’s “nee lelouch” hearing him respond using her true name… romantic!) I do believe he is dead.

    As it is, it looks like Lelouch’s death will be the same as Spike Spiegel’s death (from “Cowboy Bebop”), debated for years to come about wether or not he is truly dead.
    In that sense both series endings resemble each other a bit.

    Smithy
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  223. yeah, i guess it’s because he differs from the usual heroes – nice job lelouch – and he lives on in lucky star ova! =D

    well, i think , most of us are convinced, that lelouch is now immortal and is traveling together with c.c , which actually is a very nice outcoming for both of them, no one to disturb their relationship.

    kallen will most likely get together with gino, i don’t approve it, since lelouch could have been a playboy with two chicks but at the moment i’m happy, if he is the one who survived.

    tommykn
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  225. Haven’t seen the epi yet, but I went “Bwahahaha!” when I saw the screenshot of Nunnally falling out of her chair. Yes, like with the BK, I feel like she decided to trust someone she barely really knew too soon and turned on Lelouch too easily.

    The ending is not that bad, as far as I can tell. They have guts for killing off the main character. I also like bitter sweet endings, but whether I will like this one, depends solely on how the BK and all other Schneizel brainwashed view Lelouch in the aftermath.

    Teeh
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  228. So he achieves his goals at the expense of destroying himself in the eyes of the ones he loves. Irony.

    Zero’s Requiem did turn out to be what I expected, him encompassing all evil and surpassing it to erase Euphie’s atrocities and obtain peace, though I wasn’t expecting the revival of another Zero and Lelouch’s death. This episode had a rather interesting turn of events, perhaps a longer epilogue showing a little more into the future would have been better suited, but overall it was an excellent episode.

    P.S. The man driving the cart is supposed to be interpreted by the viewer, it can either be Lelouch’ & C.C.’s happy ending if you wish it to be, or it can be a show of C.C. moving on and heading back to her home (the country side, when she was young), which would also mean that Lelouch commited the ultimate sacrifice to achieve his goals.

    I preffer the Happy ending that Lelouch is the driver, but then again we’ll never really know will we? 😉

    Ashan
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  230. All I have to say, it will reinforce my opinion that Code Geass is one of the best animes of all time if they succeed in punking almost half their viewers into thinking Lulouch is dead. I see too much of Char/Millardo Peacecraft in him that will inevitably lead to a Char’s Counterattack/Endless Waltz movie as they way he dies shows that he foresaw it coming, likely had a better plan than to throw away his own life, too much suggest that he is immortal, the farm ending with C.C’s last words to the cart driver suggest that Lulouch is alive (who in god’s name ever thinks the mysterious stranger at the VERY END of an anime that had the apparent death of a character to be some random guy? Trainwreck crowd feel the need to be stupid in addition to A-holes?) But I digress because I’m straying into fan-girl mode… C.CxLulu forever! I KNEW IT! …okay, done. Look forward to a Code Geass movie… just hope it isn’t pure fan-service, though it will likely end with Lulu dying/vanishing again (Sunrise’s favorite method of closing their Anti-hero character’s stories).

    MeowV6
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  232. Really losing faith in Sunrise mecha endings, giving them one last chance with 00 s2. Examples?

    Gundam Wing, bad ending that had to be improved with Endless Waltz

    Gundam Seed, vague ending that left us unsure as to Kira’s fate, had to be fixed with 5 min OVA on the last DVD.

    Gundam Seed Destiny, Final Plus, nuff said.

    Gundam Seed Stargazer, open ending that had to be fixed in the final unpublished manga chapter.

    Code Geass, cliffhanger, 5 month wait for 2-episode finale to set up…wait for it…ANOTHER cliffhanger

    Gundam 00, rushed and tacked on battle between Setsuna and Graham.

    Code Geass R2, vague ending and they left more unresolved plot points behind than a season of 24!
    Examples: CC’s name, CC’s wish, CC’s code, Xingke’s disease, what happened to Villetta/Ougi at the cliff, how did Sayoko get away, how did Gilford survive, Charles’ code, all the people Charles/Lelouch geassed.

    Geez, I thought Code Geass would be an improvement over Macross’s ending, but Macross was better than this.

    finalnight
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  234. This is probably going to be lost amongst the sea of comments, but I am slightly surprised at how for some people, the fabulous ending episode is suddenly enough to excuse the general poorness of the rest of the season. It’s not only the destination that counts, it’s the journey as well.

    FF
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  236. Lulu died, why are people being delusional for their pairing? My god.. If he faked his death he would be with Nunally, the person he loves most… Sorry, guys, he is DEAD DEAD DEAD… get over it..

    BOB
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  239. Only two positive points from this episode:

    All hail Arthur, eternal lord of Britannia (seriously, after surviving and witnessing all that cat has been through, he deserves the title).

    Orange-kun with his own orange farm is pure win.

    finalnight
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  240. I say… rebel! Get the Elevens (um… I mean Japanese) to spam the Japanese Sunrise, and Us English speaking ppl to spam whoever licensed this, and when they tell us to bug/blame Sunrise, we spam Sunrise too ^_^

    chad001
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  242. Btw, only halfway R2 did I really start to get more critical about how the show was shaping. But in hindsight, I think that in season one they should have adjusted some things.

    Mao and the Ashford episodes were mostly fillers. They never touched the subject of Kururugi connection with the Geass. Suzaku getting in touch with C.C. was implied to be the reason why Lelouch’s Geass went out of control when he was with Euphie. Also, flashbacks of the temple entrance of the Kururugi shrine (if I am wrong, correct me, but it was a shrine entrance) is meaningless like this.

    And there is a big gaping hole of the mass of people with the immortality code, also in the flashbacks, who seem to have disappeared at some point in time. That too is never explained. How can you loose so many immortals and where did the immortality code came from anyway? What was it’s purpose?

    I also wonder how V.V. got into Ashford.

    I was mostly disappointed with the dumbing down of characters probably because the production team were pressed for time. I could accept people believing Schneizel, if there was some more development to it.

    I also find that the “villains” were kind of a letdown, in a way. They had too little screen time to give me the feeling of satisfaction when they were done with. And I don’t think I quite get Schneizel. He had no passions or any real interest in things. So I find it somewhat difficult to explain why he was doing the things he did.

    I think that if instead of two seasons, they made it a anime which did not break up in seasons, but had 52 episodes, or something like that, like with Blood+ or Eureka 7, it might have been better. Hopefully the story would have been able to cover everything and make a good story out of it.

    Teeh
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  245. theory of wether lelouch live or not.
    – Lelouch Geass evolving to both of his eyes (remind me of the emperor geass too, and he become immortal)
    – Jeremiah seems to be please when suzaku killed lelouch in eps 25 (this one that really interest me a lot, Jeremiah seems to be discontend when he heard lelouch is dead when the black knights betray him in eps 20 but when suzaku killed lelouch, he seems…. okay… ???)
    – CC seems talking to lelouch

    Rev
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  249. Having read a couple of comments, if pretty much most of the people (the BK as example) are happy that Lelouch is death, this will be a sucky ending. I don’t mind it if some people are happy about it, but it feels pretty bad to see how they were so easily taken in by Schneizel and just as easily throw everything that Lelouch did for them out of the window.

    And it is pretty bad taste that Viletta gets off the hook that easily, despite the things she did. I don’t like to see the BK all happily ever after, because without Lelouch they would have probably already died in the slums. But on the other hand, you can’t punish characters just out of random dislike. So even if I don’t like it, it was probably the most logical thing to happen storywise.

    I am not against a ending in which the main character hasn’t achieved a real happy ending, but I prefer some sort of comforting ending, because I spend so much time in following the story and protagonist.

    I agree with the OVA option, if the story is decent. But I think that Code Geass would be better off being rewritten to some extend.

    Teeh
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  250. >who in god’s name ever thinks the mysterious stranger at the VERY END of an anime that had >the apparent death of a character to be some random guy?

    So true. It’s definitely a character we know … so Mao and Rolo are also possible … or Euphie XD

    I’m 100% sure that we are going to get an OVA, movie or complete reboot. Or maybe all of those. Sunrise isn’t going to let such a successful series rest …

    minikui
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  251. Just watched the last episode with Chinese sub. A few points of note:

    1) You’ll need to wait for the DVD/Novel/Omake to see everyone’s fate. The ending only deals with Ougi, Tamaki, Karen, Anya and Orange-kun.

    2) ‘Sex Slave’ Nunally is HOT!!

    3) The guy driving the wagon is ‘probably’ Lulu.

    4) Suzaku has the ‘good end’. He ends up being the hero of the people, gets to marry Nunally, and becomes the Emperor of Britiannia!!

    5) Where is our favorite Ninja-maid Sayoko @_@

    Ronin8317
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  252. Something that I noticed and was thinking about in ep 24 was Lelouch’s Geass command on Schneizel to “Serve Zero”, it seemed weird since Lelouch was using his real name at the time and not his alias but with this it makes complete sense. I guess Suzaku gets to inherit a Schneizel slave now.

    I don’t believe the driver is Lelouch since it seemed like C.C. was reminiscing rather than a direct conversation but that point will intentionally remain vague. As much as we want to know everything about what happens, ultimately the best shows end vaguely which keeps the fandom going long after the show dies out (From TV anyway), look at the TV endings for Full Metal Alchemist, Neon Genesis Evangelion or Gundam SEED for example (strangely enough all those examples have sequels/extensions now or in production). If we are lucky we may get an OVA epilogue or a whole new TV series.

    AzureJahk
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  253. All in all, it was a very fun and enjoyable ride. I definitely don’t remember Geass having this too many “fans” (of either critical spectrum) when it just started – I still remember people going iffy about the Nippon Banzai statements – so it’s a triumph in its own right.

    I suppose Lelouch may have actually lived (the cart guy), but I can’t help but feel that’s actually Xing-Ke…but then again, that doesn’t seem very plausible either since I’m sure Xing-ke would much rather be next to Tenshi…

    tau-tau
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  254. Awesome, speechless the best ending I have ever seen, People you just have too high of an expectation for the ending it is blinding you (like geass) to the brilliance of it, read deeper into whats happening!.

    This puts the entire code geass trilogy to the top of my list and I don’t think it will be matched for a long time and if IT WAS EVER MATCHED THEN IT WILL BE TOO SOON.

    What an ending summed up everything perfectly I per sonly don’t think it was all too sudden Most of us knew it had to end with lelouch for it all started whith him

    Brilliant Having zero kill lelocuh made him a hero forever and the irony there was beautiful it almost made me cry, it also finally rested lelouch as a good man, that he never was a tyrant but a man (teenager I should say !) who was more mature, loving, caring, intelligent all the praises that should go with it (the list is to f**king long) then oooe lets say some mystical god,legend,myth from herosvile.

    Let me end with Oh god plz let that carriage driver be lelouch even though the idea is more zanier than how he would have gotten their in the first place.

    zany
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  255. 3) The guy driving the wagon is ‘probably’ Lulu.

    So you think Lulu lied to the world again.. and faked his sacrifice? he died for his sins.. that was his atonement.. why would he have those flashbacks?! he was thinking about his most precious moments because he was going to die… HES DEAD… until there is sold proof.. not C.C wouldn’t be with a stranger in the cart.. yeah, the taxi driver is my husband too.. come on people, I know it sucks.. but he is dead..

    BOB
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  256. The ending was pretty anti-climatic.

    The whole plan was pretty transparent once Lelouch became Emperor, make the world hate him then unite the world. The twist was having Suzaku become Zero but that in itself wasn’t surprising because of earlier when they had their discussion of how Zero is a symbol.

    I guess he atoned for his sins that way, but it just seems so unlike Lelouch to just “give up” at the end. I mean did he want to die that badly after Shirley died??? I don’t think most of us were feeling that. To live with sins with regret about them is punishment, death is the easy way out to atone.

    Slade
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  257. If Lelouch got the Code and is now RR or R2, then I’d like to see a another sequel DDDD: Think of the awesomeness of that! With more CC… Or does she not have hers anymore, then?

    I like how MAIHONEY girl is randomly in the wedding picture.

    SAD END. ;___; I wanted Lelouch to continue his tyrannical rule.

    Magical Poof
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  262. Anyone else remember that the director of Geass said that the story WASN’T proceeding as he had planned???

    I’m wondering what he was really thinking as the ending was fairly transparent for awhile unlike other outcomes which came out of nowhere. Can’t shake the feeling something is off like this wasn’t truly intended.

    Slade
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  263. @slade

    somehow you’re right, in many games and animes they say death is the easy way to escape from your responsibility etc.

    lelouch would never behave like that, if this is his attitude.

    well, i will help myself and ignore code geass, watching other animes to get over it.

    tommykn
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  265. Why would lelouch show his face ever again? He is after ‘dead’. And don’t you think he didn’t fullfill her wish of dying and replaced it with another… few centuries of wandering the world hoping to die? So now CC can’t die and she gets to live… some more.

    Round 2 would be nice but let’s also remember all the Code holders all were called…. C2, V2, and maybe there’s R2… then D2.

    But let’s face it. The end is not bad but does leave a lot of loose ends, particularly with C2 =(

    (I second Lulu’s (L2?) head in the bag. She’s talking to a head now… poor Makoto XD )

    lodestone
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  267. hope there’s a code geass nunnally of sumthing or some other geass protagonist.

    the issue regarding geass wasnt explained at all. it was like at the middle of the series, they just decided to fuck geass and continue to the mecha plot and world domination

    baka~
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  268. One more note, can we at least see villeta dead? It’s like the ’empire’ ‘spy’ ‘change side’ ‘all for oghi’ makes me sick. She shoots oghi and gets a happy life with him? Oghi gets to live after hating zero and now all the BK’s love Zero again? Someone say stupid BKs? (Bad kallen!)

    lodestone
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  269. very good anime but.. too rushed i think

    if he didn’t make that mistake that resulted in Euphie dying in season one, i bet everything would have been perfect.

    and im still pissed that shirley died.

    Star
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  270. Shit ending is shit.

    This was too stupid to even be “so bad it’s good” like the rest of R2. Oh well, at least Code Geass is over and we can all move on to something else.

    Also, Orange oranging is probably the only good thing that came out of this episode. Epic win there.

    Midnight
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  277. Let’s make a petition to request a movie or an OVA on Sunrise and ask Goro Taniguchi direct it personally so that Lelouch will survive,and live together with C.C. and Kallen.hehehe.^__^

    It is a shame that every member of the Black Knights forgets what Zero have done to the the Black Knights,every single good things he have done. (except abandoned them in first season’s last episode,but who can blame them who wants to save their own sister?)

    Chaos Master
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  281. @Cat-Arthur

    I think that the writers had forgotten about Nonette Agra. In my opinion, if Sunrise allows another Code Geass series to be made, it would be a reset of R2. The way that the creators wanted it to be. However, the current R2 would have to be considered as non-canon if they were allowed to do another Code Geass series. This version has a lot of unresolved issues, which could been avoided if they had only focus on one theme of the season, such as the origin of V.V.,the Geass Cult, and the World of C for R2.

    The Ashford scenes was a lost opportunity that could have shown some serious developments of Milly Ashford and her family importance to Lelouch and Marianne respectively. Instead, the writers made the Ashford moments as comic relief, unlike the first season.

    Max
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  282. Suzaku also got the shaft in this ending. Lelouch said something about punishment, though I’ll have to listen carefully if he was implying himself, or to Suzaku. He also said Suzaku was dead in name.

    THAT SUCKS.

    Slade
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  284. RR R2 BULLCRAP, LELOUCH DOESN’T HAVE CODE, THUS HIS OFFICIALLY DEAD.

    C.C. CAN TALK WITH DEAD PEOPLE, REMEMBER? (DUH)

    THIS IS MOST SHITTEST ENDING AND PERHAPS SADDEST ENDING I EVER SEEN, BUT SINCE ENDING WAS SO SHITTY(WHO KNEW ZERO REQUIEM WAS LIKE THAT) I ROYALE FAN OF LELOUCH DIDN’T EVEN CRY AFTER HE DIED.

    ZERO
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  285. His death was so awesome…and Nunally touched his hand don’t forget she is a cetector liar so I guess he is really dead -_-”
    This flashbacks finally give us kallen as a winner in the shipping war I guess…meeh at least he remembered Shirley, i’m fine with it.
    Really beautiful, just wnder what is going to do CC now…she finally discovered she still had human feelings I guess she should finally enjoy her life 🙂

    Cutie
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  288. Happy ending for everyone but Lelouch. I knew that he was trying to create a peaceful world for his sister and he had no intend on living in it either and that he was going to die. It only made it clear about it on how C.C. was acting she must have know that to. Which mean the death must have been stage beacause C.C. would be happy with this ending she never wanted this for Lelouch and Karen was in love with him. Winder if their going to have a OAV like Tsubasa Chronicles to finish it up or leave it hanging?

    soulanubis
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  291. I get it now….. Lelouch is Jesus because when u see him fall, his arms are aligned with the cross. That means that zero is god and Lelouch is well alive (hence the masked driver of the wagon)

    Geass Pwns
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  293. So, i watch anime from sunries, but, only make emo’s final. I hate that. The Characther stupid live and the smart died. Luckluke with soupopera finals. Code Geass is great anime, but that final stinck

    enildometal
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  295. Ya honestly anyone thats been watching anime though the years would know hes a cart driver. CC wouldnt be so happy at the end if he was dead. She loves LuLu and she wouldnt be over his death that fast. Besides wtf is the point of showing a random cart driver? Just to fill in the time? Please…lol once people get over the fact that it looked like he died they’ll figure out he did everything he wanted to do and know is living his life in peace with CC unless hes needed again…..^_^ In my option this is the perfect ending for this series, all you have to do is use your head a little.

    chaosdemon06
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  297. at the least, one person was able to get to know the truth (nunnaly)

    i hope she told everyone close to lelouch about his thoughts and why he acted the way he did – so that those close to him are able to know the true lelouch.

    tommykn
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  298. Okay folks, I haven’t seen it yet, but this is my theory. First off, Zero Requiem was set up to reset everything without the evil of the Brittianna in control.

    Considering everyone was geass to follow Zero’s command, they are now under Suzaku’s influences as long as he pretends to be Zero. Thus, he isn’t quite a prisoner in his own place …at any time he can simply walk away and leave it behind. He just goes to a foreign country and do some hacking of his hair, and he will be fine …besides as he gets older he won’t look exactly like the Suzaku you know and love/hate anymore either.

    So this is for as long as he wish, and besides, Suzaku might actually like Nunnelly enough to make it a permenent thing.

    As for Lelouche, yeah he is alive. Why bother with all the mystery at the end at all? Besides, this show has pulled stranger survivers …cough..Nunnelly..Guliford.

    As for the limitation of a Geass being as long as a person is alive …well I wouldn’t know about that either. Have any Geass user been killed & we seen signs of recovery …Charle’s memory erasing recovery victims ….Nunnelly ..nope. So that’s a dead end theory …Geass is pretty permenent.

    Anyway, I will miss the series,

    Silentveil
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  302. @Syaoran Li

    Agree with you. Like certain people in history, Lelouch “bore the sins of mankind” (or rather Britannia) upon himself and gave his life to take them away with him. In a sense, he fulfilled his ultimate objective – to create a world where Nunnally can be happy, even though he himself wouldn’t be there.

    (Not going to argue about the possibility of him actually still alive somehow; suggest not getting started on him pulling a “Marianne”, since that’s not his Geass power)

    Sailor Enlil
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  306. Meh, you guys are buying into all this junk. C’mon ppl its Sunrise. Let Leo RIP already. If he’s driving the GD wagon then f’ it as well. I don’t care. I wished they would have closed some of the plot holes instead of giving Leo a way out. Rushed endings are always like this & I’m sure Sunrise will fix it once they rewatched the series enough to find all the GD plot holes.

    Megas
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  308. Suzaku didn’t get the shaft people. He wanted to die to atone, and instead of actually dieing he simply died in name only. Thus, Suzaku did die, and he is now getting to do what he wanted ..change the world for the better. I mean, he was alone most of the time anyway …considering his own people hated his guts.

    Nunnelly had Lelouche’s memory transfer to her, and thus, she would know about what Suzaku and Lelouche plotted. That would mean that Suzaku isn’t alone either, and kind of implies a Suz/Nunn, but then again …maybe he is so hack in the emotional department that he wouldn’t fall in love with the only person whom knows he is alive.

    Anyway, as I meantion before, he can escape that life anytime he wants. He simply disappears as Zero and goes somewhere and live his life quietly. Hell, he might even take Nunnelly with him after he make sure a good power will be in place and return whenever necassary to stop the evil alongside Lelouche.

    Season 3? Nope, let’s hope not.

    As for why the enemies are now friends, well they all fought against Lelouche and Llyod and then pretended to rescue the embrassdors making them heros.

    Silentveil
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  309. ARgh!!! shit, most of you have watched it and i am still stucked at ‘downloading’ it … 4 hours to go.. T.T (stream… stream… stream!!!)

    Anyways…
    Lulu might be alive or dead.. depending on what you (the fans) fantasied it.. Okouchi had done a great job to make a very ‘full’ coverage on the ending by making it ‘ambiguous’ in such a way that it will satisfy almost anyone’s expectation (for those who want lulu to be dead, for those who want him to be alive, for those who can’t deside which appropriate end or closure for the series, AND for those who enjoy spectaculating both of the possibilites that lulu is dead or alive) at the same time. You see, although at the end the information about what stands for C.C (her real name) is remain mysterious, the most major plot got its own resolusion. In other words, BRAVOOOOO. Code Geass, the greatest epic ever!!!

    putz
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  310. My theory in Zero Requim is that lelouch tried to be very evil to lure Schnizel out and Geass him to serve zero.
    As he already conquered the world, the world is already one and they face an enemy, Lelocuh. Killing Lelouch will tells the world that their enemy is gone and they can restore the world again. They did restore it, and Schnizel who is againts Lelouch is force to serve Zero wif Lelouch’s Geass. As the person who is againts Lelouch’s plan in making the world as one, he is now serving Zero, which means that the biggest obstacle is solved. Thus, the world can live peacefully..

    Kilik
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  311. I swear Lulu is the next Elvis.. he is DEAD DEAD DEAD.. why cant people just accept fact?!! why would Suzaku cry as he was killing Lulu? What about all the flashbacks Lulu had before he died? come on people, don’t let your wishes cloud logic..

    BOB
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  312. i” hope she told everyone close to lelouch about his thoughts and why he acted the way he did – so that those close to him are able to know the true lelouch.”

    tommykn @ I think Jeremiah knew about his plans all along, so did Loyd and Cecile, hell Lulu was even talking about zero requiem in front of Loyd, also Sayoko prolly knew, I dont think that overloyal ninja maid would defect so easly…

    Oh and thru out the series, it was confirmed that Kallen has pudding instead of brain inside her head, just like all the BK, and I srsly can’t believe Sunrise didn’t finish Tamaki off 🙁

    Anyway I am glad Jeremiah lived in the end, he is the best kick ass side character in the series xD no one can beat him in imbaness.

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  313. listen, world will NEVER be at pease, wheter it’s in a fiction or real life – it’s just momentarily, IF there would be a third season, war and slaughtering will be unavoidable!

    if the big evil is down anew will rise the evil!

    lelouch died with a smile but still in vain. >.<

    tommykn
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  314. Well as for the meaning of Zero Requiem…

    i got the meaning of ‘requiem’ from Encarta Dictionary which means “Roman Catholic service for dead: a Roman Catholic mass held to offer prayers for somebody who has died”.. well it could be literary interpreted that Zero died and people pray for him.. But it had been asserted before that Zero did not neccessarily means Lulu, it’s only a symbol. Here, other interpretation may come: Zero give the prayer for the dead… or it may even means ‘no’ (zero = no) prayers for the dead or “no” need to pray for the dead, cause no body dies… hahaha many possibilities… need to watch first then…

    putz
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  316. O____o;
    Right now I still feel awful with the ending.
    I’m so touched with it.
    But Lelouch played a very daring role, having himself prepared to BE killed after he HAD killed.
    No wonder his line, “Utte ii no wa utareru kakugo ga aru yatsu dake da” won the Best Character Line in the DVD Magazine before. He had grown up, we had seen it, we’re grateful, yet uncontented.

    LELOUCH’s the DRIVER!!
    There’s the reason why this season is called “R2” right!!

    And he passed the mask to his best friend. Sweet.

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  317. i didnt really like the ending i wanted lelouch to stay alive his death was really sad…i agree with those who say that lelouch inherited the code from c.c. because when you think about it how else did nunnally see the discussion between lelouch and suzaku…i hate when series ends and ur left confused im happy kallen is alive although i wanted her to end with lelouch
    i doubt anyone has the answer but how was cc talking to lelouch?

    forevergeass
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  320. I have to agree with tommykn on this one – a big bad boss dying doesn’t magically make the world a better place, unfortunately. A fake death is even worse in this regard, actually. If lulu had the guts to remain alive and in public view as the villain, THEN everyone has a common enemy to unite against so longer lasting peace is possible.

    FF
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  323. I have reason to think that Lelouch has survived, among those reasons being Jeremiah, C.C, primarily… but I’ll leave it at that.

    Its in regards to the statement that what he’s done has been in vain, I think not to be honest, not only did he destroy himself but at the same time purged Britannia and much of the world of people who really are tyrants. But its not so much the death of the tyrants that will lead to peace, it is the birth of heroes, when the world sees their own will rise up against what they know is wrong, and this will inspire them to stop people from ever really doing the same, at least from my perspective. It worked for Gundam Wing/Gundam 00 anyway if you all recall :p

    Aleck
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  324. MOARRRRRR
    Great ending

    but whole series seems rushed

    i hope they make episode 25+ pluss
    like gundam seed destiny lol

    at least if they put extra episode for dvd version im so gonna buy this 🙂

    Seafarer
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  325. YES,
    LELOUCHE IS ALIVE!!!!
    the reason for me to tell that?
    Hey doubtfulled men , Cause SUNRISE got the “gold chicken” to make a new egg.
    They let the ending open finally. Use a little bit your brain! “To live is have faith”
    Yes lulu is dead in a certain way (as simlpe human).
    But he still live for sunrise making money. The flow of money will go on.

    All Hail lulu!!!!!
    all hail $$$$!!!!!

    Bobololo
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  326. Jesus died.
    Buddha died.

    If you save the world from something, if you change the world, or the people’s view about the life itself, you cant live happily with your nice green-haired wife while making kids and tea.

    Lelouch was a brilliant mind, but alone he could have not achieved this. After they planned Requiem with Suzaku, the story resolved perfectly – according to my views, of course. Lelouch had to die, he had too much karma waiting to backfire: it really makes sense if you plan on doing a religious ending.

    Which brings us to one final comment from me: Sunrise works so far have been really interesting, and all incorporated the question of “how to deal with the lack of world peace”. In Gundam SEED and Destiny, battles were fought on the level of ideas (remember: Lau Ru Kruz versus Lacus or Kira, and so and so), in Code Geass, a solution was shown, however, without showing the real result – I am looking forward to seeing Gundam 00-s answer. Because to me, an analogy exist between Celestial Being and Lelouch, Gundams and Geass – not so strickly, of course.

    Why it ends like this? Because people are not perfect. Perfect world will probably never come, unless it is a world without humanity. Attempts are the only thing which can be made, and Code Geass has shown a hell of an attempt to me.

    *clap**clap**clap*

    Oldern
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  327. Yeah lelouch survived that’s why Suzaku, and CC cryed. Cause he survived. Let’s be rationnal sometimes guys. Sunrise is able to screw amazing death but this one is lelouch’s answer to all his lies, finally his loved one realized his true face and he died happy. Awesome death.

    Cutie
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  332. I don’t see why people can’t believe Lulu’s(R.R IMO) not dead. I mean, Gilford “died”, Nunnally “died”, Cornelia “died”, Sayoko “died”, hell almost every character “died” at one point but hey! They’re back! After an anime pulls a stunt like that (and more than once) how can you even believe someone’s actually dead? At this point I have a hard time believing anyones dead for sure.

    Gogo
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  342. I think Lelouch is still alive for many point :

    – C.C. still have the code, so Lelouch don’t fullfil his duty with her
    – If Lelouch die, and C.C. still have the code, she might give the geass to someone to get her death… It’s a great danger for Lelouch new world, and I can’t believe that Lelouch let a so big danger behind him.

    Lelouch lost again everything with this “death”, He’s family, his power, all his life… To atone his sins, it’s better to live, than to die.
    C.C. cry because she know how much that death cost for Lelouch, and for Suzaku, that mean he lost his best friend just after they became friends again…

    This end give the opportunity for everyone to make them own idea about the destiny of Lelouch and it’s really a great thing. Far better than the sad end of Bebop !

    fred
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  344. Ah one more thing about Zero Requiem…

    It is said that it was the promise between Suzaku and Lulu… Back then, remember that Suzaku told Lulu to ‘lie’ up to the end.. Zero is an ally to justice, so in order to preserve the notion, lulu has to take all of the evil and became the villain so that Zero (as the hero) could finally banish the evil (by killing Lulu)… This was actually the impossibility that was made possible that can only be achieved by the ‘symbolic-miracle-maker’ Zero which Lulu offered to Suzaku. By telling Lulu to keep ‘lying’ up to the end which was agreed by Lulu back then, Suzaku finally joined forces with Lulu. From the term ‘lies’ which may mean that what we see in the end of the series is actually a lie (death of Lulu)…

    Putz
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  350. all i can say is nunally was pretty cute and the ending made me cry T_T
    but it was really good… thanks sunrise! I think the ending with that hay dude
    and C.C. is just to make the anime still interesting and just like how they get us every
    episode ending we are craving for more Code Geass and lelouch… it was brilliant!^^

    dark_hei
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  353. I like the ending. I actually expected SUzuke to live and be Zero per Lelouche’s plan. Lelouche needed to die so that he can be reborn. Honestly, Lelouche wouldn’t be able to stay sane if he remained the emperor. Plus the people needed a hero like Zero, the symbol of freedom and justice to prevail. I believe Lelouche let himself die cause he knew he will wake up an immortal warlock! The Gease is very strong in him already. And YES, the driver could only be Lelouche. I’m waiting for the subs but if I am correct, CC mentioned Lelouche’s name (on her last phrase) while on the cart. It sounded like she was asking Lelouche for a reply. Should be the driver! Besides, on ep.24 before they parted, I think Lelouche promised CC that she won’t be alone. Love the stuffed toy.

    eun
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  359. thats driving one insane, right? ^^

    i was hoping so much, that this show will end soon and now after it ends, i want more – that’s crazy, how easy they can pull me inside !!!

    sunrise is evil !!!!

    tommykn
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  363. You know Sunrise I’m still waiting to hear C.C.’s name……….
    It’s probably like 4 syllable long 😛 Find a way to squeeze it in
    but I while I wish for an OVA I don’t see any point in it unless it’s one of those stupid one where’s it’s in between episodes
    😛 I don’t care anymore I just want my Gundam now :[
    Although I did enjoy the ending part kinda…
    I liked it when Lelouch got stabbed and slid down the slide and Nunally finding out the truth which I kinda don’t know how that worked out but hey who cares and then we see Orange growing Oranges, Kallen repeating a year of high school since everyone else graduated and she never attended her senior year.
    C.C. …… is traveling the country side…… by herself…. so…. wtf sunrise at least make Kallen tag along jeez
    While I like the whole idea of making Lelouch a martyr but that’s only for like 3 people since everyone else thinks he was a evil overlord that pwned the world.
    I hated Cornelia till the end and I thought Guilford was blind but we see him running out along with all the other losers with a gun so….blind people+guns? bad combo or maybe he just likes sunglasses now
    Now I need to wait for a Code Geass 2 part movie covering both seasons but the second movie won’t be as shitty because the director and writer will actually get their way this time and not need to make up gibberish

    Hei
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  366. well i actually kinda liked how they ended it..lelouch actually ended up being the hero even tho no one really knew it but us and sukaku as well as the orange guy…i guess nunally and kallen guessed what lelouch had actually done for everyone and therefore forgave him, but i was disapointed that lelouch and c.c. or even kallen never hooked up or anything, i wanted a romantic goodbye kiss scene or something…but oh well..i believe that the directors made the cart drivers face hidden on purpose to keep the viewers hoping, and i have to admit i was one of the “hope-ers” lol lelouch didn’t deserve to die, thats for sure, but i am really glad he didn’t end as a bad guy, i really liked him being the good guy, i was dreading a “death note” kind of ending…

    whatchamini
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  367. I agree, this ending leaves a lot of plotholes left uncovered. CC still alive? What about Xin-Que? Seems like a play for a possible season 3.

    Code geass: Tamaki of the rebellion!

    or Code geass: Rivalz of the rebellion

    pockets
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  369. SUNRISE IT’S ALWAYS LIKE THAT!!!!
    Like gundam seed destiny ova final plus, it’s 90% same as the last episode + last moment that’s never releaved in the last ending!!
    It’s cheating!!! It’s EVIIILLLLL!!!

    R1n
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  374. @Putz
    Only a part of it the important part is that they never showed his face so we don’t know who he is. Until mister Taniguchi or Okouchi decides to explain who he is or if they ever will.

    And another thing is people keep saying Lelouch is alive 😛
    I don’t get it some people are saying he got a code but from who. Correct me if I’m wrong by all means since my Geass knowledge isn’t so grand but once you give your code away are you not mortal? Isn’t that how the nun (person who gave c.c. the geass) died.
    But let’s say that did happen let’s say C.C. gave Lelouch the code that would mean C.C. would die and Lelouch would have to live an eternity. I think the only person that would actually make sense to give the code to is Suzaku seeing as how he’s Zero and all. But that doesn’t make sense either since Zero isn’t a position where physical strength will do you any good. It’s more about intellect which balanced out the Suzaku x Lelouch one had the brawn the other had the brain which is why they say there unstoppable put together. Either way I am adamant in saying that Lelouch is dead it’s what I wanted since episode 1 and I got it, but since he was the only who knew C.C.’s real name it’s like at least tell the viewers what it is before you die Lulu. It would’ve only took 20 seconds a brief convo involving C.C. and Lelouch and Lelouch saying Bye INSERT NAME HERE. or Thank you INSERT NAME HERE. I’m sorry INSERT NAME HERE for not being able to grant your original wish. The C.C. fanboy inside me is going insane here.

    Hei
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  375. “PLS READ AND REPLY” very important
    Just finished watchin the end of Code Geass R2 i must admit i didn,t watch the series from the beginning but i still understood the whole thing in season 2 to show how good the series was cuz there are some series u watch at half way and u still don,t get it been that a lot has happened. Haven said that Code geass r2 was a series that had what took to skyrocket just like Tsubasa Chronicles did not to talk of the OVA that got evryone talkin hope they get one too.
    i believe code geass could have been better than that. the first thing that drew my attention to this series was the storyline and the animation work “clamp”did a great job with the characters and i,m sure a lot of people fell in love with it . The final episode had a flaw but i,m not complainin its was a good ending it could have been the best with an hour or at least 40 minutes like two episodes in one,don,t get me wrong i,m glad i watched this series although there are still unanswered questions in this series i belived i mention it before what happened that one month after charles and marianne died still can,t get an answer to that question how did ougi survive an attack from sayoko and ends up been alive when we were so sure he was going to died count viletta too off the cliff no answer, why did guilford and cornelia survive when we were so sure that or certain that they were dead at least if they explained what happened it would have made a lot more sense why, Lelouch is killed by suzaku who is zero was perfect in everyway but what about a burial ceremony with everyone there i,m sure it would have givin you that sad atmosphere or suzaku buried along side him and oh the guy at the end is lelouch he definately kept his promise to c.c i think they could made him smile at the end to give us that ironic ending or the wedding for ougi and villeta. suzaku, lelouch and c.c could have attended they could have shadow images of three people talkin about the wedding but we don,t know who someone once said this once on this blog that anyone could write a good script just like sunrise. the truth may be as people claim, if he had more time he would have made the series better. To me i just i think its was a cunning way to end a series but still decent.

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  376. IF lelouch is dead, then there is ONE big question: WHY did nunnally recieve images when she touched lelouch? tell me the answer to that, and explain with something other than lelouch having the code, and then i will agree that he is dead.

    for now, we do not know who gave lelouch the code, or if suzaku knows, or if it was lelouch with c.c. in the end. but, it was indeed a little bit wtf when charles grabbed lelouch with his code-hand. i agree with everything written in this post (not the comments but the real post).

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  378. wow epic ending. previous eps seemed rushed but i think they did a good job at the end. Compared to gundam seed destiny this ending was liek 50times better (though they are in the making of a movie like Wing for Seed destiny).

    and lets face it, it’s lelouch at the end. they even show the crane nunnally always makes. and c.c. doesnt have to die for her to give up the code for whoever was saying that. the sister who gave c.c. the code died because she asked c.c. to kill her after. and v.v. oviously had it coming to him. with that said.

    Talk about the irony. zero was originally created as a way for the evil lelouch needed to do can take the down fall. for zero to become the hero and lelouch to be the evil mask. very well done. I wonder if the rest of the knights core will now acknowledge lelouch in secret. Also pretty ironic how cornelia one of the hardliners of the briannian nobility ended up storming out with rest of the black knights.

    O and orange-kun definately owns an orange farm hahaha.

    Quikstryke
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  379. Now that is over i will rate the entire series.season was one of the best anime ever i’d rate it 10/10,season 2 wasn’t bad but it was pathetic compared to season one,so i’ll give it 7/10.Overall series rating: 8/10. Season 2 was a big dissapointment it started to suck around the China arc,if we could have gotten the original story it would have made more sense we could had have a season 2 that is even greater than season one,this ending really sucked even if Lelouch was alive it doesn’t matter, season 2 was a failure since it started, I always felt it was rushed and anti climatic, it din’t give me the same feeling r1 gave me, I only watched it until now beacuse Lelouch’s voice actor is simply amazing as Lelouch, so sad to see a great series ruined.

    Miki
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  380. @ Gawain
    Yes, I too think that CC doesn’t have to die or have memory loss when she passes on the Gease to another. The points you made were logical. It just so happens, that CC’s benefactor wanted a death wish, it doesn’t follow that it is standard Gease procedure. I have a question though, do you become mortal after the transfer? Is it possible to remain immortal even after the transfer? I’m asking cuz I’m a big Lulu & CC fan (Yes, I’m silly!). I want the witch and the warlock to stay together as immortals, changing the world 1 town at a time. There is no doubt in my mind that Lelouche inherited the Gease and He is the mysterious cart driver.( After all, he’s brilliant and I gather he’d want to live to see that all his efforts for a Brittain free world come into fruition.)CC seemed much too happy and carefree than usual, Lulu must have fulfilled his promise to become a Warlock! Love the orange pickers!

    eun
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  381. A part of my Sunday mornings for the last few months is now, GONE. I give Code Geass R2 6/10 for being stupidly entertaining. It was not the “Code Geass” that I wanted it to be. Luckily, the series did not end “a slam in the face” for me.
    It was entertaining, and tv shows like Code Geass is mainly for entertainment. I did its job fine, which is why I give it 6/10.

    McLarenXIX
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  383. OMG this is just like Deathnote wtf i need my Code Geass.

    Oh please let there be a little twist like Lelouch comes back to live or he is alive
    and he just tricked everybody omg what is wrong with this story

    Vampirelove
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  384. Err shouldn’t Lelouch be immortal(sort of) like his dad was when he had the double geass eye thing?Yea he can die but he’ll just pop back up on his feet when he thinks the coast is clear….I think there’s maybe some room for an OVA here if they choose to do so.

    God~Knows~
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  385. will I think the person driving the wagon is Lelouch. Why would’nt they show the person driving the wagon it because it is lelouch and why would C.C. says his name out load??

    “If you love somebody, let them go. If they return, they were always yours. If they don’t, they never were.”

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  388. objectively,

    the ending peace is a fake, cause the technology of geassworld is still on motion. Someone has to take humanity away from geass power?
    someone with the same abilities. Without the geass technologie:ability you can’t interact with it.
    Who know that all the geass owners person is all dead? Judging by how far VV plan to experiment geass by entrust geass in some large range children. And what about the origins of geass technoligy, that is not enough clear to end this serie definity ( a least sunrise sinks) but the franchise still have bullets in the gun.

    And to destroy geass make CC disapear. Think about how marianne and charles disapear, we can imagine use the same way to CC if she would like to end. But that is not the case and CC evolved enough to understand the fact that “someone has to take your place to end your life” lead to a fake peacefull world. Seeing how strongly lulu want a peace world can’t make her be so selfish in my opinion. So She can’t give him her code in the end. (yes she cried, touching scene); and Lulu don’t want to take it from her to finally. I think with lulu she was able to free from life seen as “experience”, cause she was accept the concept of tomorrow, “everything could change”.

    “Diying with a smile” is the way you live your fullfiled life with acceptance of what you are.
    that was not the case for CC until she met LULU and accept what was hidden inside her. She was able to really change from what she was before (an selfish witch immortal).
    For lelouch to fullfill his promise, it was not so simple as to say “ok i will do it and do it as a robot”( so stupid without sense). Promise is about feeling. Lulu as to prove he was able to know her first to open his heart and mind to her. I am sure he was going on a different way (better) to give her a smile (of go on living).

    The ending may have be in that way is what i think.

    Bobololo
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  389. for those of you still too ignorant, the effects of geass continue even when the user dies. see anya.
    and i’ll admit it: i felt bad for suzaku when i thought he died when the lancelot blew up. i mean, we didn’t even see him eject did we? also, guren > lancelot, while the geass magically enhances suzaku’s abilities, pretty cool, eh? the way he killes lulu with his own hollow, plastic sword also is proof of his mad HAX. i used to have no respect for him, but now i believe suzaku can take out knightmares with his bare hands. lelouch, whether he lives, intended or unintended, or dies, is an eternal hero in my eyes. (amen)

    umeboshi
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  390. this is without a doubt one of the best endings and anime ever. saying it is a trainwreck and shit about this anime because it didnt live up to your expectation is stupid and incomprehensible. you guys have to admit you were blown away by this anime in the beginning. you keep making predictions after predictions but none of them hit or most of them didnt happen according to your plan. then you tried to overexpect the expectations but was disappointed because it didnt go your way again. you guys should just watch Code geass or any anime for that matter with an open and relaxed mind and just enjoy the ride. there is definitely room for another story or season but that will have to wait. or maybe the staff are already making a story at this moment secretly so as to not raise anymore pressure or expections. if it comes like a surprise then a lot of people would definitely watch it. Code geass is just mind boggling. the open endedness is just right. the character zero/emperor lelouch is just one of a kind. he’s not all that perfect and athletic but he can create miracles. he’s good but bad at the same time. he is calculating but sometimes shows his weakness when faced with the ones he cares about. there is no other anime character that can top his charisma. they may be on par or just below but never above him. ALL HAIL LELOUCH. ALL HAIL ZERO.

    the prophecy
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  391. Amazing conclusion. One of the very best ending in my 25+ years of watching anime.

    Let’s face it. Lelouch HAD to die in the end. He committed too many dastardly and evil acts, especially in season 1, to get a good ending. Same for Suzaku, who is now forced to forsake his identity and continue to live as Zero. So instead Lelouch managed to devise a Heroic Sacrifice for them both in the form of one last Xanatos Roulette that covered the entire last 4 episodes. This is just epic AND highly original in my book.

    I also don’t see how this is even remotely close to Death Note. Light loses, here Lelouch wins.

    And I don’t think it’s necessary to believe that the driver is Lelouch to give a conclusion to C.C.’s story (although I would have liked to hear her real name). Lelouch said multiple times that he would have made her smile, and C.C. is indeed seen smiling in the end.

    Steelman
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  392. There is the possibility of the code transferring from another person other than CC

    Notice that Charles grabbed Lulu with the hand that had the Code Symbol in the World of C

    Code doesn’t activate till someone dies or hurt in some matter, just how like CC was injured when she received her code.

    R2… R.R.? Could be Lelouch now… more or less Engrish = L.L

    As C.C. was talking on top of the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness… that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver

    This leaves only more speculation as to Lelouch still alive and well…

    Let’s not confirm anything just yet now…
    Wait for DVDs or word from Taniguchi or whoever wrote and taped together this episode

    =_______________________=;;

    0095
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  393. Lelouch DID NOT die. when C.C. was talking she moved her eyes up to the direction of the driver and also when Lelouch killed his daddy, he got the code and the code can only be active when the user died for the first time. so that is when Lelouch died for the first time.

    and one more thing, C.C. can’t talk to Mao or Marine when they died, but she was talking to Lelouch that means he alive and she was talking to the driver.

    and also she said Geass bring loneliness but it not quite right, so she means now Lelouch is together with her.

    dangan
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  394. Since the end of the first season, Lelouch has always planned to dominate the world because he told it to Suzaku. Then, for the end of R2, there is two possibilities :

    If you are optimist, Lelouch Lamperouge can be reduce to initial : L.L. It could be reduce to L2. Since it’s a japanese story, there is a L/R problem then L2 becomes R2.
    Then Lelouch is alive, living an immortal life with C.C.

    If you are realist, he just died, realising his wish (complete destruction of Britania)creating the perfect world for nunally as he always wanted.

    Calum
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  395. In the original Lelouch most likely wasn’t going to die,we would have gotten the real lelouch,the real villian charles and schinezel would have been a real villian. And we would have seen Lelouch as Zero WTF Pwning the emperor at The end,or Some Space invasion from Jupiter.And not this The director of the show did everything he could do to make a decent ending. but this wasn’t the Code Geass we fall in love with. i hope it would turn out good but this ending made me realize that this wasn’t the same series as season one.
    It was like a fanfiction trying to stay true to the original season.Seriously what a shitty ending the whole season was so rushed this series din’t feel the same after charles died Lelouch’revenge was 60& of his goals the other 40% was making a safe world for nunnaly and HIM. but thanks to sunrise we get a fan service season where nothing makes sense.

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  396. Alright, I just finished watching it… When Lelouche was stabbed and Nunnally grabbed his hand she saw all of his memories… Now, that wouldn’t happen with a normal person, that only happened to those who touched C.C (i.e people with Codes). If Lelouche didnt have a code, Nunally wouldnt have seen his memories. I think that in itself proves a little of something.

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  397. as we all know lelouch is probably cuz c.c talks to herself a lot especially when marianne was thought to be dead she was still able to speak to her. where as she was living inside anya it is also possible that lelouch is inside nunally transferin his memories to her just marianne did but if that is true then why didn,t he geassed her allowin c.c to be able to communicate with lelouch the person riding the cart might be so he might be dead for real but there was a grave for him i guess people didn,t like him or maybe they left that important aspect out in the end. who knows just mad that they did not reveal it .

    babel
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  398. I’m betting that Lelouch is still alive.

    Reposting something from another site’s comments.

    Biggest Clue;Paper crane:Nunnally taught Lulu to made those in R1

    Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch’s code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets ‘memory watch’ when he touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Leluch touched C.C.’s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He’s now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to her if he was there.

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  400. I agree that Lelouch is still alive

    well atleast i hope he is.
    he deserves to live a happy life, after all he’s been through.

    Any other normal person would have told everyone the truth and hope they would forgive him but lelouch kept it to himself and lied to everyone not for him but for them he did this for nunnaly for the black knights,his story is so sad…..

    Kimi
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  402. EPIC EPIC EPICNESSS!!! : O
    im sorry i underestimated you sunrise!! wow awesome ending–also loved that suzaku in the end became Justice and that Zero (according to me) did achieve the Code and still lives

    g0z
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  403. So the only ones who know of Lelouches self sacrifice are Nunnally, Suzaku/Zero, Kallen, Jeremiah and Ninja Meido?

    Seems pretty fucked up still the second half made it a pretty good and sad ending though I hate the fact that everyone gets to be happy except Lelouch since so many people deserved to die as well…

    Also C.C. was crying for him in the end so I don’t think Lelouch is still alive maybe she can talk to him through Jupiter or something.

    All in all R2 was pretty mediocre the ending was a good way to end the series but as a whole Code Geass season 1 and Code Geass season 2 just diverge way too much to totally enjoy them as the same series. and two last thing I still wanted to hear C.C. real name and here’s for an adaption based on Knightmare of Nunnally (hopefully a sequel).

    Megaman0
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  405. for people who are saying this is a death note ending its nothing liek a death note ending in my opinion. Light didnt want to die at the end. Things didnt go his way towards the end and world more of less ended up returning to what it was before (depite the fact that a kira religion formed).

    Thinks definately unfolded in the end as lelouch wanted it. He accomplished his goals. Even if he really was dead (which i dont think he is just too much evidence against it) he would be happy about it.

    But lets face it. What made this anime good was lelouch just didnt give a crap. The lines for good and evil were so grayed it made it very enjoyable. Even Charles and Schnezil didnt really end up being evil. They essentially were trying to make a better world like lelouch at the cost of everything else including themselves.

    There’s a picture on kallen’s wall that shows orange-kun with the rest of the black knights. Im guessing he ended up joining them. Also they revealed C.C.’s name couple episodes back for those of you still wondering about that.

    Quikstryke
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  407. 6 pages between where i read to and where i posted?? MADNESS
    i remember reading that the gundam seed movie was posponed because someone was hospitalized or something and if they ever make it it will be a long while. anyways, i think that even if they have some more closure with some sort of continuation it won’t ever come close to solving all the unsolved issues in code geass such as the stuff relating to the geass cult.
    and the mordred was supposed to have such heavy armor that the swords which sliced through other knightmares like warm butter didn’t even visibly damage it, but it got a crater from the relatively small explosion of a whimpy knightmare. even if the explosion was that strong, orange would have been obliterated and anya, who was in the cockpit that got exposed, was unharmed. blasphemy. he was, however, awesome this episode, and i’m willing to overlook this. i do think the whole “orange” thing was played out a bit too far with the orange orchard though.

    umeboshi
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  408. Well, Nunnally also taught C.C. to make those paper cranes in the very first episode. Also, throughout the series, it has always been C.C. who has been making them nonstop…

    The ending was suggestive though.

    Still waiting for people to make an edited of C.C. talking to the bag instead of the driver (or whomever) 😛

    taelrak
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  412. Megaman, you have never been to a wedding have you? Most people DON’T know each other unless you have a small wedding with family only. You only have to know the bride or groom. Half of those people know the bride, half know the groom.

    And lol at people calling a happy ending cliche. Every ending is cliche to this point. Tragedy is as old as the Greeks. Every base plot is cliche by this point in time. The only thing that changes are the details.

    TigerII
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  413. Shows over make way for the fall season. It had your typical uber optimistic ending monologue / montage. It ended in the general way i thought it would, though I didn’t think he was going to plan his own death or fake death. I really hope this is the end for the Code Geass universe, I don’t think I could take a third season or some sort of remake.

    Taking both seasons into to account I’d give this show a B. Good premise for a show, had problems with pacing, pushing fights to ridiculous levels, and leaving some annoying plot holes / side stories either unresolved or confusing to why they were even brought in in the first place.

    W.Wolf
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  414. Look, either

    Lelouch is the driver.

    OR

    Lelouch’s head is in the bag. Nice cart.

    and what’s CC’s real name? I certainly didn’t catch it a few episodes ago if it was revealed as claimed.

    ionartemis
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  417. @umeboshi

    The only way to resolve this matter is for the creators to reset Code Geass R2. Thus the current season 2 would be a non-canon. I could see why the director was so upset. This doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

    The filler episodes could been handled better. For example, the Ashford Academy scenes could have developed Milly’s background into her relationship with Lelouch and her family’s connection to Marianne. I just can’t understand why the writers never had Milly and Lelouch develop their relationship for each other in greater depth, starting from the time when they first met, and the reasons behind the Ashfords decision to force Milly into an arranged marriage to restore their Nobility. The filler episodes could have talked about Kallen’s father and brother as well as Rivalz background friendship with Lelouch. Such a waste of potential moments. This season has certainly left a lot of unresolved issues. I now understand why the director was so upset at the treatment that he was given by Sunrise, when they changed his project timeslot to Sunday nights, at 5PM, because it would restrict his ability to tell the story in a manner that was geared towards a mature audience. The 5PM timeslot was mainly geared at the younger audience, which sucks!

    Maybe the reason why Milly wasn’t used at all was because the scenes that the writers wanted to present might have had some sexual overtones. And Milly loves to live out her fantasies. Maybe if she had told Lelouch how she felt about him, Milly might have given him more than just a simple kiss. However, if they did provided a Milly x Lelouch moment, it would have been interesting to have seen that outcome. Too bad that they can’t show stuff like that to children. I am sure that the other women would have gotten some respected fanservice as well. As for R2, I no longer consider it as part of the Code Geass canon. I’ll take the 1st season for what it is over R2.

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  419. Some people want lulu to be dead! He is in a certain way.
    Some other people want him to alive! He is.
    Some say “OMG, lulu has to die cause he kill many many people”! That sound stupid in war to say it naively. When you don’t want to kill any one single person, just to kill you in a first stupid move before the war knock at your door. You know what i mean hypocrites!
    War and peace is not as simple as some would like to be , that is on of the argument of CG!Hate, justice, redemption…
    i remember the scene film “UNFORGIVEN” with the old clint eastwood when he says a text like that
    ” death and live is not about deserve to”.
    Because lulu want to be killed, he was. The “Supreme God (that some hypocrites whan to be as their wish) didn’t land an hand on him.

    The way lulu begin the rebellion was a bloody way , and we all know. Even if he kill euphie there was circumstances, even if it was condamnable too. On the way lulu has to take and want to take, he makes some mistakes(certain big as shirley death, euphie…). But what is important is that he could change from R1 to R2 by fighting against the britannians even against the fate (geass order). He learned than he has to do more than freeing japan; united the wold and leave a peace. But what is great from him is that he done what he decide. So let the hypocrite attitude in your pocket.

    open ending 100%

    lpop
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  422. I think that was a very good ending given what the staff have to work with in the past few episodes. Whether Lelouch dies or not (I’m thinking of more dead than not), is not the point. The point is he got to do what he desires to do the most: destroy and recreate the world, even at the cost of his name/life. It is very consistent with all his actions throughout the entire series. Lelouch, for all his actions, has shown that he has no regard for his own welfare and has always been about other people. This is what he wants to do and he is happy with it.

    This is a ending that has CONSISTENCY and CLOSURE. I don’t understand the rage and there shouldn’t be any rage. I have shown EPIC RAGE when Macross Frontier 25 aired. That was a shitty ending.

    Macross: BAD END 1/10
    Geass: GOOD END 10/10

    W-General
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  423. My heart breaks watching the raw file… tho I can only understand 50% of it… it’s so sad… not that I am a major Lelouch fan or what… It’s just so sad to gather all the hatred of the world on him to give everyone a tomorrow. And I just don’t see any hint about Kallen X Lelouch, but I have seen so many people talking about how Kallen was his final and actual love interest… Did I miss out anything? o.O

    Stella
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  427. 400++ !?!? Will it hit 500?
    I like this kind of ending. How often do we see anime with protagonist dead? One in a hundred? Anyway, most of us are expecting him to die – the flag for happy ending is already long gone – problem is how he’ll die?

    Ok, now the million dollar question is did lulu died? Personally, I think it’s a yes. However, looking at how Sunrise is working with otome and Seed, I’m not surprise to see an OVA with reasonable explanation on how he survived. Or at least an audio drama on R2 turn 26. I want more, more…

    Lastly, ALL HAIL LELOUCH. Our cunning black king, you’ll be in our memory…

    tylon
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  430. @stella

    lelouch had a flashback at the moment he died – this flashback was packed with people he treasured a lot. kallen did appear in his flashback, so people say she’s one of the persons the likes most but so did c.c, shirley, rolo etc.

    so it’s not clear to say, if he love one especially but at least he cares for them alot.

    tommykn
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  431. I hate sad endings, the end should have been EPIC,this anime was about bad ass Lelouch pwning bad guys. we should have gotten Lulu’s best victory(just as planned)as the end.

    and end it with Lelouch’s fabolus grin,that would been 1000x times better than this emotional ending,it’s all sunrise’s fault for not letting us see the original story,
    Lelouch vengence should have been the last episode. not this nonsense fanfiction.

    Kimi
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  436. i was like hey thats zero gonna kill lelouch. he scaled a fuckin knightmare light it was track and field. and everybody was just watching. yeah a peaceful ending. im sad its over dammit. nice series!

    Exia
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  437. Wow, amazing ending, and what the hell? I think it was all planned out, because you know …almost everyone that mattered was in on it. I think the only person whom wasn’t was Kallen, and even she figured out that it was Suzaku whom killed Lelouche. That is kind of scary, but yeah, I have to refute my last commments.

    It would seem that Suzaku won’t have a normal life, which is Lelouche’s way of telling Suzaku that he can’t run away from this. For the rest of his life, he will be Zero and Suzaku will remain dead.

    Though whether or not that means no love life …well we will have to wait and see won’t we. Or maybe, not cause this is the end afterall.

    Anyway, overall great series …a little iffy at some parts, but overall …well done.

    Silentveil
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  438. Lelouch is definitely alive. Remember the episode when he raided geass stronghold, after Rolo killed the little kid that put a geass on the guy in the knightmare, the geass was broken? If Lelouch were dead, then Schneizel’s geass would have been broken but he’s still serving Zero, which means that Lelouch is alive

    proto-omega
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  439. @tommykn
    Thanks.

    Sigh…. I hope Lelouch did go to a better place with C.C. [if it’s really him driving the wagon] Both of them can spend the rest of their life teasing each other. 😛

    Stella
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  441. just watched the sub.

    I thought the ending was sad yet it was fitting, especially seeing its entirety. Although in the world’s eyes, Lelouch vi Britannia is a tyrannically name, I am glad that only the ones truly close to lelouch, even Orange, knew of the Zero Requiem. From Kallen to Orange-kun, they understood his sacrifice. I could care less of the others who think otherwise but as long as we know that the ones closest to him knows of his true intentions, then all is well.

    As seeing the the final moments with CC on the hay cart, those animated gifs are pretty much false. But I still am uncertain if that was lelouch at the end, even though his figure looked similar. I guess only the creators will know that for certain.

    A great ending and even though most people still see this as a shit ending for a trainwreck, I keep an open mind and think that this anime was still great, granted not perfect, but great! Thanks for the ride Code Geass! Youa re now one of my most favorite animes I have ever watched!

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  442. kallen knew of his plan right as she saw zero, and so did orange-kun. im pretty sure she forgave him and still loves him and didnt came together with gino faggot. and im pretty sure aswell that lelouch is the farmerboy whos driving that cart. but overall it was a nice ending, im not sad about how it ended, more liker over the fact that its over w/o some explanations of the other characters and overall the end of the series. N> new animes , all my favorite animes ended this weeks.

    asa
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  444. Great end, really great. Now almost everyone can live a normal life w/o all the war and stuff. All thanks to Lelouch, the Lelouch and Suzaku we knew…. is no more.

    ='( Its OVER?!?! Nooooo!!!

    Random Boy
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  445. I thought anyone with GEASS symbols on both eyes are immortals and can’t die…
    Well, it’s not such a bad ending and it does make senses being by making up for those who got perished by his GEASS. Zero Requiem also means END of GEASS and the world is FREE from lies without GEASS. That’s really noble of Lelouch, I say.

    codename:v
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  447. Stella : During the flashback there was two pauses ; One on Shirley playing as friend, one on Kallen who was kissing him,and one on Rolo with who he was acting brotherly. People are assuming that he saw in them a friend a lover and a brother. Actually I ‘m starting to think the same, those pause were impossible to miss.

    Cutie
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  448. This has been a most appropriate ending to Code Geass R2. While it may be portrayed as an open ending, I choose to believe Lelouch is alive…

    1) Only people who have the code can transfer memories.
    2) Why would C.C say that people gifted with the geass are NOT lonely at the very ending if Lelouch was dead??
    3) The paper crane was something Lelouch was taught to fold in Season 1
    4) “EH? Lelouch?” I’m sure C.C wasn’t talking to a dead person or talking to herself.

    Overall, this was a good ending to the series 🙂

    Twilight
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  449. For those who think its sad that only C.C, Suzaku, Nunnally, and his core staff when he was Emperor that know he wasn’t an evil person, you have to remember that Lulouch never cared what most people thought of him in the first place. Only those people with the addition of maybe Milly & Rivalz (both likely told if they really are that broken up about it by Nina or someone). Everyone else was just sorta filed under competent officers or people he used to further his objectives as zero.

    After watching the subs, I just really hope/can’t wait for an OVA/Movie announcement since I can see the return of a mysterious person calling himself L.L or R2. I think Lulouch has achieved Char level fandom at this point, so Code Geass has left its mark on Anime forever if by nothing else than a memorable character who was not a main character super-ace pilot in a Mecha anime.

    @Proto: That Kid’s geass was a “channeled” thing as he had to continue to control the guy. Charles’s Geass for example persists long after he lost his ability to use the geass for memory re-writes and is presumed dead. I can foresee maybe Schneizel breaking the geass in the future or maybe Charles returns as a good plot for a movie. Don’t think it holds as a way to justify he is alive though.

    I think he’s alive because C.C is speaking clearly to him, she CAN’T speak to dead people (Marianne wasn’t dead when C.C talked to her). Going to go back to rewatch the episode about how C.C got her code to see if it might be suggested that the Code activates only upon death theory. Its probably since Charles might have not been merely screwing with Lulu’s head when he took the order to shoot himself (Not something you’d think he’d do since he doesn’t strike me as a Masochist nor the kind of person to gloat meaninglessly like that when he could have just stood there before informing Lulu of his Code). *shrug* Code Geass was never completely predictable.

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  454. I BELIEVE Lelouch is alive. And i really BELIEVE IT.

    1. When Nunnally touch Lelouch, his memories flow through her. I don’t think it is so called Power of Brother-Sister Relationship. And the only want have this phenomena is C.C. which has the CODE.

    2. I dont know where Lelouch got the CODE, but i’m sure he HAS the CODE. The theory which says the geass owner must die first in order to activate the CODE is believeable, as Charles is shot before he rise again, and this can also shows that why C.C. is bath in blood when she got the CODE.

    3. The nun is commited suicide, and V.V. just died from the wound. This is TRUE as when C.C. got shot in the forehead she don’t just rise like that, it takes time to regenerate

    4. The guy who driving the cart is SURELY Lelouch. As C.C. said in the end of the episode, “The Power of the King will make you alone….but it isn’t quite true”. This hinting that Lelouch ISN’T alone. If he’s dead, he IS die alone, as I don’t see others dead in the end…..This means Lelouch still have C.C. (LelouchXC.C. go for it!!!)

    5. And DON’T forget about the promise Lelouch says that he will make sure that C.C. will leave the world with a smile. If Lelouch dead, how he going to make C.C. smile? And so I believe that Lelouch’s CODE is GIVEN BY C.C. He will live for eternity as his sin, and make C.C. happily for her whole life. (O YEAH!!)

    hellorheaven
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  457. WHAAAA~~~ I HATE THIS DAY! I NEVER WANTED THIS DAY TO COME WHEN CODE GEASS FINISHES!!! I still remember season 1 …ah, those memories..and now! ITS DONE!!! It just pisses me off that a few people knew how lelouch really was…(i would say, he died as a hero) and suzaku represents him.
    T^T, ahhh the tears cant stop, i dont think i feel like watching Gundam 00, it would never own Code Geass….EVER!!!!
    I enjoyed this serie very much, and i will never forget it…(i hoped for a season 3, but i think this is really the end) *depressed

    Serena
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  458. She’s one of the Black Knights, Hitokiri.

    Although she doesn’t have much screen time, she only appears briefly in Season 1 calling Tamaki as ‘Senpai’ and some shots in Season 2. She’s just a background character to give tamaki more realisim.

    Ashan
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  461. Hitokiri @ yeah thats the so called secret character that was suppose to be introduced and important, and she was introduced altho she wasn’t very important xD forgot the name tho, she was with Shirley in the swimming club.

    saku
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  463. It’s a lovely ending!
    I’m so impressed!
    I am very sad that it’s over, but happy that the ending is satisfying and ties up most of the ends.
    C.C.’s name bettered be in a booklet or somewhere. Like L’s name was revealed in a special data book.

    Now, I’m going to love Lelouch and Code Geass for the rest of my life.

    I’m absolutely sure Lelouch is the cart driver/is now R.R. and will live happily with C.C. forever after. ^__^ SMILES
    – He got the Code when Charles strangled him.
    – Code bearers become immortal and lose their geass after their first “real” death.
    – He promised C.C. to fulfill their contract “to grant one of my wishes in exchange for power”.
    – C.C. said “Hurry and go, then come back. You promised to make me smile right?” in Turn24. Lelouch promised to do so. Lulu definately keeps his promises.
    – C.C. never talks to herself, she’s always talking to somebody.
    – Cart driver is suspiciously covering himself up.

    …I am so happy! ^___^ Heads to tomorrow with hopes and smiles!
    Let’s believe more lovely series like this are to come!

    Yukiruchan
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  464. This ending was epic! I never cry so much!… I don’t believe he is alive. He’s dead clearly. But he had to die for the future to come. Lulu is so awesome and care so much about others that he decided to sacrifice himself.

    All hail Lelouch!

    Asoch3
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  467. Fuck this ending. I did not want Lelouch to die. :/ It would be more impressive if he lived and they found a way to change the plot instead of him geassing everyone to obey him. Instead, the world is left to hate him with the exception of what 3 people. Fuck that. Bullshit. And none the less Lelouch agreed to this. This just made me love his character even more. I am sadden for such a great series it always turn out to be some BS ending. I HIGHLY doubt that Lelouch was the the merchant. And guess what we will never know.

    Sayonara Code Geass Lelouch of The Rebellion.

    3.14
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  469. I personally think Lulu is alive. because of C.C saying “Ne lelouche”.

    its not “THAT” she says it that leads me to feel this way, its “WHEN” she says it. she says it emediatly before they cut to credits. which personally gives me that “oh snap” he lived feeling.

    either way I dun care, it was a great death either way. Unlike Micheal in MF, Lelouche’s death had some flippin meaning to it.

    huh
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  470. ‘People who have experienced a reign of terror and war are more likely to reject the path of war in the future’.

    That’s the essence of Zero Requiem. The world would not become peaceful because of the demise of one person; it’s the personal experience of having seen the worst manifestation of war that would drive oneself towards seeking peace.

    In short, Lelouch’s methods inspire people to embrace the ideal of a peaceful world, instead of forcing it onto the people as Schneizel had planned.

    Rydrallen
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  475. That was a good ending now that I think about it.

    What i want however is a new season. In this season a country gains immense military power trough purchases from the black market… eventually it becomes so strong in threatens the world… at an important battle that is being lost by our guys lulu shows up, takes command, and decimates the enemy…

    the whole cast comes back (except the bad guys) and they have a whole new show where LuLu comes back, his friends and close ones learn the truth about his death, and he takes them to victory against the enemy…

    sounds cheesy but i want it

    dan
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  476. actually, if we recall. CC has a code and can display memories by touch. Lelouch showed his memories to nunally. doesnt that mean he has the code since he also fufilled what he wanted to do?

    notover
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  478. I think Lelouch is dead an CC’s comment at the end was referring to how she herself finally found someone to love and wasn’t lonely. Recall that in the Sword of Akasha she was willing to die but Lelouch swayed her otherwise. As much as I’d like him to live and become an immortal, paving the way for a possible third season or OVA, I think his death brings the most closure to the show and is the most appropriate ending.

    anon234
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  481. ok seriously he’s not dead he became R2, damnit. That would be the perfect ending, therefore he could easily stage his death , let everyone think he is dead and go on living his life somewhere quiet (like out in the countryside on a heywagon with CC) DERRRR, she even adressed Lelouche in the end, and NO she was not just thinking aloud or talking to herself, she was adressing him becuase HE was driving the wagon, jesus kids, gt your heads in the game anyway looking forward to 00 now, hope Lockon comes back with an eyepatch 😀

    Arcilios
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  486. Well, all the evidence points to Lelouch still being alive. HOWEVER, this is anime. Sunrise has created a good ending by leaving it open to interpretation. To those who want Lelouch dead due to his “sins” or for “closure”, he is. To those who feel that he should still be alive… he also is.

    Lets just leave the ending for what it is and appreciate it, for it was an awesome enough ending. (IF sunrise releases an OVA showing whether Lelouch is dead/alive and also C.C’s real name that would be awesome… but i’m content nevertheless :).)

    Overall this ending has redeemed Code Geass R2, which appeared to be a messy trainwreck for several of the episodes during this series.

    Twilight
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  488. Wait a minute if Charles was immortal then it has to be the same and the Lelouch never died but faked his death. That also mean that the guy with CC is him. I mean once you get both eyes (code) with geass symbols then it must mean that it is true.

    Dragonite88
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  489. the last seen reminds me of Spice and Wolf….
    and aside CC and Horo’s personality is somewhat the same….

    I think he is alive but they intend it to be 50/50 chance so that we can choose the ending that fit us…. Also the Origami symbolizes his promise to CC…

    alrick13
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  492. Actually, the most compelling argument that ive read about Lelouch being alive is the fact that Schneizel is still under the effects of Geass. When the controller of Geass dies, the effects also die out. Also, C.C. doesn’t have the mark on her forehead if she isn’t using the Code.

    Som1
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  494. I guess its just me, but the red geass sign is missing from CC’s forehead (?)
    https://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2050.jpg
    http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x141/Ashley_Battle/Code%20Geass%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion/CodeGeassCC04.jpg

    I do hope for an extra episode (like Death Note’s final conclusion), or even a 3rd season (but i guess it couldnt possibly be as good as the first two…)

    Ohh, and i really’d like to know the title of the song starting @ 19:21 (the final, emotional one ^^)

    cuko
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  495. nope lelouch is not dead.the producers will not let him die.look,code gease a big money making machine for them and lelouch is the heart of that machine.they are probably thinking about a 3rd season right now.

    beside you have forgotten about a largely forgotten empire-the European empire.they did not even show a single character from there.so would it be that hard to believe that the next code gease season will be based there?

    Beside what about the so called “GODS” of Charles?they did not answer who they are really did they?

    did the ending says that there will be no more gease users in the world or there is no more gease user in the world plotting somewhere?nope it did not.
    i myself has a feeling that the ending is too good to be true.

    mit
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  496. I guess its just me, but the red geass sign is missing from CC’s forehead (?)

    I do hope for an extra episode (like Death Note’s final conclusion), or even a 3rd season (but i guess it couldnt possibly be as good as the first two…)

    Ohh, and i really’d like to know the title of the song starting @ 19:21 (the final, emotional one ^^)

    cuko
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  498. @ SOM1 YOU NOTICED THAT? SCHNIEZEL is STILL under the effects of Geass in EVERY shot that we see him (you can see the outline of red in his eyes). Now yes you are correct, when the geass user dies, the maniuplation they had dies with it. Nunally was an obstacle in this theory but I have resolved it.
    a) She was geassed by charles and it remained for 8 years, he died, and suddenly she can open her eyes. SHE DID NOT, WILLINGLY break his Geass, HE DIED and she was FREE from it, and then realized she could open her eyes.
    b) when Lulu geassed her SHE COULD RESIST IT, yes I give you that BUT she still came under the effects of it. WILL POWER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT or she wouldnt have handed over the key at all. Lulus geass broke ONLY AFTER he closed his eyes and WILLINGLY deactivated his geass effect over her (we can see this after he knee’s, takes the key from Nunally, smiles says he loves her and his eyes revert to normal)

    so yes som1 I fully suppourt your theory

    Lulu is not dead he became RR hence “R2”.
    At least an OVA or something would be better than great and in the OVA we could find out C2’s real name, and confirming that Lelouche in fact lives. THAT would be the perfect topper

    Arcilios
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  500. If C.C. had her Code was transferred to Lelouch prior to the end of the Zero Requiem, would she have been crying in the church (assuming that she knew that he was going to pop back alive later)? We’ve seen Charles say he talked to a dead Clovis (it may have required the Sword of Akasha but he also didn’t have a Code at that time) so it is possible that C.C. is talking to Lelouch from beyond. Also can’t tell if her Code is gone or not because of her hair…

    I am also thinking that the list of people who knew about the Zero Requiem was quite large. Jeremiah is quite happy when Zero gets past him. Loyd, Cecile, and Sayako don’t mind being locked (probably knowing that it was only temporary). And Nina was probably convinced in helping when she was told the truth. They might also know that Suzaku is now Zero. I don’t think Toudou has realized as Omni implies (he’s probably wondering if that is the real Zero). The only person in the show who has seen Suzaku dodge weapon fire like that is Lelouch back in season 1. Although shouldn’t people be suspicious that Zero has become so athletic?

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  501. Well , i don’t think that lelouch is still alive and that he become immortal but i ,rather, want to believe that susaku was defeated by kallen and that he only survived because he has become immortal.

    And that’s why lelouch told susaku that he will be eternaly living as zero.

    Code one
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  502. I don’t know why so many people are dissatisfied with this, they obviously missed the fact that Orange-kun freaking pulled a TTGL GAR Simon ending attack…cept he didn’t pierce the anti-spira–i mean Anya.

    Nyar
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  505. @Jounin: lol I found it funny when he started running like that. I knew immediately that was Suzaku. Hes the only one. Who else broke metal spears with his bare feet. lol But yea now that I have calmed down there are too many loose ends. I think he is dead though. I notice Suzakus To Live Geass was not activated at the end when he stabbed Lulu..Not like his life was in danger but I found it odd. And I do not see any pics where Shneizel is still under the control of Geass. O_o

    3.14
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  507. @ TigerII my point isn’t that there are people there that don’t know each other my point is that these people have terrorized each other a long time and even if most of them may blame some of their behaviour on the Geass and Lelouch it’s still terrorist vs dictators so I don’t get why they all have decided to get along so chummy…

    Megaman0
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  508. @Tori

    I would like to find that out myself but I was wondering if they played that insert song before in the series? seems kinda familiar.

    I didn’t realize Toudo was thinking who Zero really was but to keeps things as lelouch had planned, kallen backed lelouch up saying that was Zero, not Suzaku. Well, maybe.

    marvin
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  510. i dont think geass deactivates when the user dies, since anya still didnt have any of her memories and jeremiah had to use his geass cancelor on her, but charles is most assuradely dead. and i thought the only way to get a code was to get geass in both eyes and then exchange it with the person you made a pact with, therefore lelouch could not have the emperors code.
    that being said, i do think that cc gave lelouch her code, but that is probably because i just dont want him to die. because honestly, why would she be crying right before suzaku stabs him if she knew he was going to be fine and immortal.
    on another note, i wonder who besides nunally, kallen, toudou, jeremiah and cc realized or knew that zero was suzaku and that lelouch had been planning to die al along

    v
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  511. What the hell are you guys talking about? Geass doesn’t fade when the user dies. Look at Anya, her memories were screwed up long after Charles died.

    Sunrise purposely left Lelouch’s status vague. There will never be any solid evidence that confirms that he’s alive or dead.

    lolwut
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  512. Oh and one other thing i noticed, Lelouch tells Suzaku that Schneizel will be under the command of Zero but because he knew the plan meant Lelouch dying, Lelouch probably planned this all out and knew that he already had the Code.

    Som1
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  513. To all those that believe lulu is still alive.

    Some questions to be answered :
    1.If lelouch was really immortal , then why did susaku and CC cry at the moment when lulu
    was killed ?
    2.How can Susaku be alive after beaten by kallen if he wasn’t the one immortal ?
    3.Why did lulu say himself that he had to pay with his life when he and susaku discussed the upcoming events (susa reveice mask of zero) ?

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  518. I think it was actually good, Nunnuly crying part was what made Lulu’s death ok for me, so I was not pissed, like before watching it when I heard he was gonna die. The only thing I’m sad for is CC being alone again, but i guess thats cool she a solo person. Her last line seemed like she was talking to him in heaven, or what other people up there are guessing. i guess we gotta see DVD specials for that, if not i think this ending can remain.

    Chimasternmay
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  519. I loved the end. It did feel a bit scattered, but overall it was great. Lelouch dying was lame either.. It was appropriate IMO. I don’t think he was driving the wagon either. It is pure speculation to believe so too. It would’ve been cooler though if they left us with the question of him being alive. Like if they at least left us with a bit more, maybe zooming out to the driver after CC is done talking, then rolling the credits or had CC like rub her forehead revealing that the symbol is gone. Since they didn’t do that I see CC talking to Lelouch in spirit, not in person.

    steev
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  523. @Arcilios:
    Actually, it was stated that Nunally’s blindness AND being a cripple was the effect of geass so the effect of geass probably does persist after death but maybe weaker?

    Also, when Lelouch gave Nunally the order to hand over the key that was the only thing that had to be accomplished then she would have nothing else to do so she won’t have the rings around her eyes; as opposed to Schneizel who had the order of “OBEY ME” which obviously means forever. Yes, Geass is a power that is picky with your sentence structure =P

    Hurah
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  526. I think no one really knew that he had the code from Charles IF he had it ofc (I believe he did have)…In that case I really don’t think Nunnaly would be so happy in the last shoots if he was really dead…

    And Suzaku just ejected offscreen…i guess ;p

    saku
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  527. I loved this end and I cried (a lot).

    Please, stop to say that this is an Death Note end. It’s not ! There is a lot of book/anime/movie how end with the death of the hero, and they are not Death Note End. Lelouch is definitely not Light. He choose his end, and he wanted this for a future that he believed. This is definitly not the case of Light.

    Ask
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  528. I loved the ending! I know a lot of people don’t but, I think it was a good way to end it off. I mean come on, if Lulu had lived…then that ending would be too ‘normal’, and he already made himself to be a ‘bad guy’ so he can’t be allowed to live on as he was now. It may have happened a bit ‘fast’ but not really if you think about it; the zero requiem was all planned out few episodes before and they built up to the fact that Lulu is this big tyranny person. It’s not like it just came out of nowhere…

    But I’m sad that people think Lulu is the bad guy. I’m happy that the black knights realized the truth! (from the looks on their faces, that’s what I think anyway).

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  531. @ code one

    a) they were sad that he had to give up his former life
    b) suzaku survived after being beaten by kallen due to his to live geass being activated all throughout the fight he even comments on how hard it is to defeat her even with the to live geass curse therefore making him a somewhat semi immortal since he can just kick in the to live geass and well… live.
    c)it was a deception of an epic class as only lulu can deliver since he is epic as i stated before its the ultimate cover up, make the world hate you, make them think your dead, ride away in the sunset with cc in a heywagon

    the end.

    Arcilios
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  532. @v
    Aside from those, I am unsure who else knew about Lelouchs’s true intentions. others hint that lloyd, cecile, Sayoko, and Nina may have known but no evidence of such. So as far as I know, Kallen, Suzaku, CC, Nunally, Jeremiah, and possibly toudo may have been the only ones. Who knows?

    for the would be ginoxkallen shippers, that didn’t happen thank goodness and it seems Kallen moved on happily. I’m glad she found out what Lelouch’s intentions were, even though it was at that final moment.

    Out-Code
    Chill man. He will post them up when he gets the chance.

    marvin
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  533. Well, that ended pretty much how I expected it to.

    Anya X Orange-kun is full of win, and they’re growing oranges together, haha! Sad Anya is sad in that one picture. Lolicons rejoice!

    Ougi X Viletta wedding, eh, not as much anymore considering how much of an asshat Ougi was acting throughout much of R2. And where’s Xing Ke in the wedding photo? Hopefully he didn’t bite it soon after following his release.

    Glad to see Toudou and Chiba got together, though NOW Toudou realizes what Lulu has been trying to accomplish with his master plan all along. Hope he feels like the ungrateful pr*ck he is for betraying Zero (the first incarnation of him, anyway; the fact that Suzaku Zero is in charge of things makes it ironic).

    I’ll admit, it could have been a lot worse. Suzaku haters who wanted to see him dead got their wish (sort of, with the Lancelot blowing up and Arthur at his grave, and Suzaku never again being able to show his face unless it’s around Toudou or Nunnally, maybe Sayoko); Lulu-lovers wanting to see a Light-esque tragic ending got to see it too (though Lulu gaining C.C.’s immortality is a bit of a cheat). And those fans who wanted most everyone important to live got that as well. Some manipulative (but I didn’t say it was necessarily good) writing there. Lulu does it again!

    We all just have to remember not to expect so much out of a masterpiece out of what is essentially an animated show enjoyed by kids as well as adults. Was nice knowing CG, was fun while it lasted!

    Reiter
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  534. @Cupcake
    if your asking what it is it’s just shows what shows are coming out next seasons
    but honestly it doesn’t matter alot of other blogs posted it up already
    were just here to see Omni’s insight 😛 and to see what shows he’ll blog and not
    but as long as he blogs Gundam I’m good

    Hei
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  535. Ohhh I see! Thank you! I thought it might have to do with Geass >_>. I’m hoping that there’s alot of extras on the dvds that can provide more insight on the ending. I’m still trying to convince myself Lelouch is alive, even though theres alot of evidence to prove it.

    Cupcake
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  539. @Code One

    Well, the only explanation for CC and Suzaku to cry is because they probably didnt realized he (even himself) obtained Charles’ code (assumed that he did).

    And for Suzaku to be alive, they can make him ejected at the moment the KMF exploded to make it more believable to viewers that Suzaku was dead. Especially with Suzaku’s grave created although Lelouch knew Suzaku is still alive.

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  540. hooray for an ending! I hope sunrise doesn’t decide to go Disney on it and release a code 2 geass on people or another story in the same universe. Lelouche is dead, and so dies the main story. Everyone else were side characters only.

    pockets
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  546. That was definitely a good end for this part of the series. I really do think that there will be another season of geass. Well more hoping and wishing, than anything else. Mostly because of how everyone at the end spoke in the present tense and all. I thought back to FMA and how it all ended, to see if maybe this really could be the end, and well it ended in a similar fashion, but there was a movie following after. So I just stay on my end hoping and praying that there will be another season, because its just to good to end here.

    LONG LIVE LELOUCH
    LONG LIVE GEASS
    LONG LIVE THE EPIC SAGA OF CODE GEASS

    4y33sh4
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  550. I can’t believe there are people that believe Lulu is dead.. There are a lot of hints hinting that Lelouch is alive while almost none supporting that he’s dead.

    1a) Nunally saw Lulu’s memory by touching him. A trait that seems to belong to code holders. I believe Lulu got it from his father. However, he may have gotten it from C.C. since he was being unusually worried about C.C. in episode 24. Though.. I like the idea of an immortal couple roaming the world better ^.^.
    1c) R2 or RR is probably Engrish for L2 or LL. BTW we were so close to having a R2D2 >.<;;.
    1d) The title(Code Geass) would make sense if Lulu has both the code and the geass.

    2) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7952/teasell2.jpg
    The side close up of the carriage driver was such a tease. They had no reason to close up on the carriage driver if it wasn’t Lulu. The driver also has black hair. That’s like a 50% chance that it is Lulu in itself since black hair is extremely rare in anime :P.

    2b)
    http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crane1sq2.jpg
    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4273/crane2rs3.jpg
    C.C.’s head is in the direction of the driver.

    http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1205/eyesti8.jpg
    When C.C. says “right Lelouch?”, she moves her eye and head up as though toward the driver. Some may argue that she’s looking up at the heavens where Lulu is, but she’s already looking up at the sky so there is no other reason for her to have that kind of body movement than to talk the driver.

    Pretty much a rehash of what Lulu supporters already said but w/e I have pictures o.O?

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  553. Personally, I loved this ending. While I think they could have stretched out the end of the series and made it more epic like S1, this was still great. It still gives you a feeling of open so you can interpret it (within reason) anyway you like.

    Lelouch accomplished everything he set out to, without fail. He turned all the evil on himself and then stepped out of the picture. With Nunally and Suzaku remaining, I highly doubt a power shift could happen.

    I gotta say though, my heart felt extremely heavy when I saw Nunally chained up like that. But then as the ep rolled on, the feeling disappeared.

    However, at the end of all this with the talk of Code Trainwreck, I’m wondering what the original end was supposed to be. It would be nice to see that at some point too, but I doubt it would happen.

    Ray
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  555. I can’t believe there are people that believe Lulu is dead.. There are a lot of hints hinting that Lelouch is alive while almost none supporting that he’s dead.

    1a) Nunally saw Lulu’s memory by touching him. A trait that seems to belong to code holders. I believe Lulu got it from his father. However, he may have gotten it from C.C. since he was being unusually worried about C.C. in episode 24. Though.. I like the idea of an immortal couple roaming the world better ^.^.
    1c) R2 or RR is probably Engrish for L2 or LL. BTW we were so close to having a R2D2 >.<;;.
    1d) The title(Code Geass) would make sense if Lulu has both the code and the geass.

    2) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7952/teasell2.jpg
    The side close up of the carriage driver was such a tease. They had no reason to close up on the carriage driver if it wasn’t Lulu. The driver also has black hair. That’s like a 50% chance that it is Lulu in itself since black hair is extremely rare in anime :P.

    2b)
    http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crane1sq2.jpg
    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4273/crane2rs3.jpg
    C.C.’s head is in the direction of the driver.

    http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1205/eyesti8.jpg
    When C.C. says “right Lelouch?”, she moves her eye and head up as though toward the driver. Some may argue that she’s looking up at the heavens where Lulu is, but she’s already looking up at the sky so there is no other reason for her to have that kind of body movement than to talk the driver.

    Pretty much a rehash of what Lulu supporters already said but w/e I have pictures o.O?

    P.S. Nunally in her red outfit is hot.
    P.S.S Orange-kun growing oranges could had single handed made my day.
    P.S.S.S. NOOO, Ougi lives..
    P.S.S.S.S. R2C2 FTW o.o

    lucky13th
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  559. I was really confused as to why Lelouch was doing what he was doing in the last few episodes, but it really makes sense now that we know what the Zero Requiem is. So sad, I couldn’t stop crying when he died. It was a really good plan, but it’s not fair that after all he’s done he has to die. 🙁

    And I think Lelouch is in the same position Marianne was in. CC was always talking to Marianne in her mind, and it looks like she was doing the same with Lelouch in the end. Maybe he did indeed become RR, that would be interesting. I miss him already! >.<

    HakuroAkawashi
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  560. wasnt the best ending.
    It was kinda sad.
    I like to think that was him driving the wagon, makes it less sad.
    Kinda hard to say though cause all the different things that have bee said.
    But it would be nice to have cc and him together at the end.
    Sucks that its over

    Nikku
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  561. It’s really up to the fans but…
    IMO I believe that the cart driver is Lelouch because of the what CC was saying while on the cart and the way she appears to be speaking towards the front of the cart when she “asks Lelouch.”

    That and they focus on the origami on the cart, the title being R2 and the whole Code/Immortality.

    That country scenery along with the cart reminded me of Wolf and Spice -.-

    Servbot
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  564. 1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
    2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
    3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
    4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
    5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
    6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.

    kendyo
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  565. The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.

    Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.

    To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.

    mazuki
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  568. Orange knew of Lelouche’s and Suzaku’s plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

    Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche’s immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

    Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouche actually died.

    There it is, firm evidence of Lelouche’s immortality if the scene with C.C. and the cart driver wasn’t painfully obvious enough.

    karazane
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  571. wow looking at the pictures and watching the anime itself is really different!

    i like the part where lelouch geass nunnally and after taking the “key”, he told her she loves her very much.

    i still believe lelouch managed to acquire code from charles. if that’s the case then c.c. and lelouch came from jeremiah’s farm that’s why they were on a horse carriage. after all, who could make c.c. happy? lelouch can only do that.

    all hail lelouch!
    all hail lelouch!
    all hail lelouch!

    Ungas
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  575. epic ending.

    What’s ironic is that NUNNALLY is the only person that is sad after everything that just happened, even though she was the only person Lelouch wanted to make happy through the whole series.

    kat
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  576. I loved the ending at first, but the more I think about it, the more I don’t like it.

    Lelouch is a man made of his ideals so he wants to atone for his sins, but he also promised to leave a smile on C.C.’s face so:

    1) He died and atoned for his sins, BUT C.C. should be pissed on him leaving her. Maybe she has gone beyond thinking of herself, but the whole.

    2) He lived with someones code, and gives C.C. smiles before she dies, BUT he doesn’t atone for his sins, which makes the church scene with C.C. and him atoning all useless. PLUS Nunally probably would have seen the code being transferred in her vision. Unless of course, the vision was just a realization of what was going on.

    VieTTigeR
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  584. Thank god it ended. Death Note Matsuda Kills Light and Code Geass Suzaku Kills Lelouch. Lelouch busted a mission impossible using geass on some random guy and putting on face mask in his likeness and did the switch with the wagon driver. Some poor soul died for him to live in the shadows. LOL I’m kidding hell no. Lelouch died like a man, like Big Boss on his mentors grave. Schneizel would be wondering what the hell just happened after he has been geassed for a long time. All hail Lelouch.

    Dexter
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  590. Crappiest ending ever.
    Lelouch makes himself the bad guy and has everyone focused on hating him in the end?!
    The Emperor,Schneizel,and his other pathetic siblings were the ones who were responsible for having the world the prior state it was in.
    Nunnally was pathetic,all these ‘romantic’ developments were for nothing,wow..just wow.
    Oh,and EVERYONE ELSE lives..even Tamaki for god’s sake.
    Plenty of other people should’ve died(Ougi) and have stayed DEAD.

    The only one I can sympathize with is Suzaku,who has to take on the role of Zero now?
    WTF? This shows that if only you were HONEST,things wouldn’t happen in such a manner.

    So,it’s like,haha!,Lelouch was never Zero!ROFL!
    Okay,so where was he all this time when Lelouch was ruling?
    Think people,think!

    This really hurts me to say,I really really liked Code Geass..
    It’s true in that R1 was superior..R2 feels so disconnected..so much that it feels like another series.

    I’m really disappointed.

    Also,C.C lives!Looks like she has to suffer a few more centuries before she can die.

    Azumi
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  592. I’m pretty sure lelouch was the driver of the carriage/hay sack thing. cuz code or no code it just doesnt make sense anymore if he died. i mean think people! so the producers ended the story with CC all alone and roaming the world with no purpose for the rest of eternity? like it just doesnt make sense anymore.

    i hypotheized from the very beginning that if lelouch were to die, CC would also die cuz it just doesnt MAKE SENSE for the story to end with C.C. alone again, since part of the story was also based on C.C.’s wish and stuff.

    so either they both die, or the both live together. thus im pretty sure there is no way lelouch had died or else the story just deosnt even make sense anymore.

    Raine
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  594. After watching this I believe Lelouch is still alive, since because Nunnally was able to look into Lelouch’s memories, and we all know that this can only happen if Lelouch inherited the code (either from Charles or from C.C.). That’s why Nunnally was able to peer into his memories and thoughts, BUT he died? WHY? Simple, even though they are immortal, it seems that their hearts had stopped beating, im not joking lol.

    Look back at Ep. 15, when Lelouch ordered Charles to die with his geass, and after Lelouch went to check Charle’s pulse. After Charles, just stand back up, Lelouch was so surprised because he checked before and confirmed that Charle’s had no pulse and so heart stopped beating.

    Therefore, it’s quite possible that Lelouch is still alive and is the one driving that wagon with C.C., especially since C.C. seems to be addressing him in that last part of the episode. Although OMG SUNRISE, the least you could do is to show this clearly, and not leave a friking open ended ending which I hate and probably the majority people hate (like Samurai Deeper Kyo, Elfin Lied, Utawarerumono, etc).

    X
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  596. Lelouch gave up his life to atone for everyone’s sins; his mother, his father, his brothers and sisters, and finally, himself

    yes this statement is true

    this was a splendid ending indeed

    one of the greatest animes ive watch has now come into an end

    ill never forget this anime as long as i live

    but…my own personal opinions he couldve put a fake lelouch and still lived o-o
    im not despising it or hating it i loved it ^_^ great anime indeed

    Hitmantsuna
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  599. All hail a great end to a great show! I honestly believe Lelouch is alive. At first I thought C.C was just talking to herself on that hay, but then she says ” Right Lelouch?”, it ends on that note. C.C wasn’t taking to any dead person. I also think he did gain immortality and became R2. That guy on that wagon was indeed him.

    Neoclever
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  600. i DO think that lulu is the one driving the cart and the code got transferded…cuz when nunaly touched him she got his memories, and all those times, that you could c.c’s memories…augh i can’t write good sentences…but ANYWAYS…yeah and why else would c.c. say that loneliness is not the case this time around?

    alliecatt
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  603. “The power of kings, known as Geass, brings one solitude. Not quite accurate, is it? Right, Lelouch?” – C.C. End of eps 25.

    “Hate is love”… “Hate is often an obverse form of love. You hate someone whom you really wish to love but whom you cannot love”… “Hate is a disguised form of love.
    You can only hate someone that you have the capacity to love because if you are really indifferent, you cannot even get up enough energy to hate him” – Unknown source

    In the end, Lelouche was the one who was loved the most, because they hated him the most. Keep this pearl of wisdom in your mind. If you ever want to seduce the woman of your dreams, first make yourself the person she hates the most, not unlike how Doumyoji was the person Makino hated the most in “Hana Yori Dango”.

    Zero
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  605. @Hitmantsuna
    I thought Lelouch gave up his life to atone for his sins for manipulating people’s mind with his geass?

    Ugh I hope Gundam is GOOD I keep watching the last episode of CGR2 and it just keeps getting better :[

    I hope I don’t get Code Geass withdrawals

    Hei
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  606. @Lex I loved the music this season it was a lot better personally even the Ali Project song I hated sounded better this episode 😛
    And when Lelouch fell down the ramp I was like T.T and then Nunally just had to sappy on me gah tear jerker

    Hei
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  608. @alliecatt:
    You’re right..That’s true that C.C wouldn’t say that if he wasn’t indeed there.
    Also,didn’t Schneizel’s geass remain?
    At least Lelouch is with C.C but still..he deserved a more happier end with everyone..and Nunnally,who he was doing this all for in the first place.
    But,C.C is not immortal anymore..right?
    All this code talk is starting to confuse me.
    Can someone explain this to me with the assumption that Lelouch is alive?

    Azumi
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  611. I am glad i waited to watch the episode subbed before coming here. This is one of the best ending in any series anywhere. I am not hoping for an R3 but i hope that in the last DvD they extend it a little or have Lelouch and C.C. somewhere living together forever. I truly believe that he is alive, after all, why would C.C. lift her head if she was talking to someone who is dead. I also believe that he did in fact get Charles Code since the effects are the same. Even when obtaining V.V.’s code, Charles was Geassed and shot himself. It’s also possible that he still had his Geass until he died and the code became active as he was revived. Another point, if he really died, wouldn’t Nunally have disappeared or killed herself …Its possible that only C.C., Nunally and Suzaku know that he resurrected. Also, the fact that Nunally saw his memories support this and she just didn’t know what was happening. The fact that Nunally and C.C. are too happy at the end does indeed give support to the theory that Lelouch lived. Long live Lelouch and C.C. to the end of time.

    zeroherrera
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  619. @zeroherrera
    IF C.C. and Suzaku knew that Lelouch would get the code….why were they crying when he died? I know I’m contradicting myself, but it does seem a little bit odd if they both knew that he would just come back to life later…don’t get me wrong I STILL think he’s the one driving the cart…

    alliecatt
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  620. @ Azumi:

    kendyo at 4:44 pm on September 28th, 2008

    1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
    2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
    3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
    4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
    5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
    6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.

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  623. “I loved the ending at first, but the more I think about it, the more I don’t like it.

    Lelouch is a man made of his ideals so he wants to atone for his sins, but he also promised to leave a smile on C.C.’s face so:

    1) He died and atoned for his sins, BUT C.C. should be pissed on him leaving her. Maybe she has gone beyond thinking of herself, but the whole.

    2) He lived with someones code, and gives C.C. smiles before she dies, BUT he doesn’t atone for his sins, which makes the church scene with C.C. and him atoning all useless. PLUS Nunally probably would have seen the code being transferred in her vision. Unless of course, the vision was just a realization of what was going on.”

    [EDIT]
    Two more things:

    1) I laughed really hard at this… stairs > Nunally.
    https://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2017.jpg

    2) We see Li Xingke’s knightmare Shen Hu when Ohgi, Zero and Nunally meet in the end. There is no screen cap of it up there, but I would say that this is enough evidence that he is alive. He was the only who could pilot it, though as an icon, anyone could I guess, but that isn’t the point. He will die of his illness anyways.

    VieTTigeR
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  625. In regards to C.C.’s real name, it was never mentioned nor disclosed. The only people who knew of her real name were most likely Lelouch, Marianne, and Charles, whom are all “dead.” So the answer is no, her real name was never mentioned, even in this episode.

    marvin
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  628. I doubt there will be a season 3, I mean, what would it even be about in the first place? For Lelouch to come back to the public would negate everything he had worked for in the last episode, regardless of him still being alive. OVA sounds better.

    Cupcake
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  631. @ God~Knows~: There really are no unresolved plot lines. Everything was covered. If it wasn’t, it was done so for a reason. It was left open for interpretation because it wanted to generate the ambiguity regarding Lelouch’s death. An open ending for this type of series is probably the best because of the size of the fanbase that CG carries. Sunrise gives a few clues to give headway for the possibility of Lelouch surviving but nothing is set in stone. For now, all we know is that Lelouch is dead.

    Janitor
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  632. i thought the ending was amazing and if you slowly think about it. everything is resolved. Lelouch becomes RR, gains immortality from charles. (this might be controversial) but I think he signed a contract with Suzaku and Suzaku now has a Geass. Yes… one of CC`s wishes was to die, and she didn`t end up, but hey her FIRST wish, from the very beginning was to find someone to love her. Guess who ends up together with CC, for the rest of eternity, CC and RR…..

    why did orange-kun, end up with anya, bc i think orange-kun hated geass and its effects, and anya was a victim of that.

    Aeonex
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  634. so…nunnaly has te power to read memorys upon touching someone? or her deductive power exceeds L himself o.O. Good ending, bad idea killing lelouch, they could have still made an ova or a movie to get more money, hell maybe lelouch is still alive or at least they could come up with something reasonable for that being true

    Feitan
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  635. Season 3 would be easy. The only thing that has to happen is the geass casted on Schneizel to be broken. With Lelouch gone it could be easy. Just like Nunnally breaking her’s with the Emperor gone.

    As for the ending, eh It was okay. It could have been so much better. But maybe they are ending it with the intent to make season 3. There’s still a lot of unanswered questions and plot holes. And besides they’d honestly be stupid not to with the popularity of the show.

    Zhemos
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  636. Perfect ending of this wonderful season best anime i have ever seen in my life omg so saddening and i hope that lelouche became the perfect geass user with code and geass and became RR or R2 =)

    Darknessheal
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  638. @alliecatt
    I think that C.C. wasn’t crying because he was going to die but crying that he now has to carry the burden of eternal life but as the episode shows, she now rethinks what she said and is happy how the show turned out. Also, i don’t think Suzaku knew that Lelouch might revive, all he knew was that he was the one that got to kill him. What i meant is that C.C., Nunally and Suzaku (probably told later by Nunally) know that he revived… May the find happiness in this new world…

    zeroherrera
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  640. well its impossible currently to know if the person driving the cart is Lelouch or just some peasent. if you look @ his clothes… its a bit different from a normal peasent’s and she’s talking a BIT loud…

    Passing Fan
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  643. kendyo at 4:44 pm on September 28th, 2008

    1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
    2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
    3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
    4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
    5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
    6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.sounds concrete.

    Arcilios
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  647. just watch it it all made sense what zero was trying to do for the last 6 episodes.
    i think this is the best possible ending Code geass could have got.
    cant think of anything else that can top that. considering CC gave us the unanswer question at the end rather lulu is alive.

    Kanako
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  650. lelouch is alive!! only the brighter and more analytical audience would have figured it out

    the rest would just be yeah lelouch died to unite the world -the end-

    1. jeremiah seemed content with suzaku killing lelouch. no way! he wont let that happen!
    2. memory transfer from lelouch to nunnaly, ONLY C.C have done it in the past *and the trademark zzzzng sound to go with it*
    3. C.C’s line at the end “geass wont make you alone” if lelouch is dead wont C.C be alone? she even said ‘ne, lelouch?’ quite loud and towards the cart driver

    Rerouche
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  651. I doubt that Lelouch has either Charles or C.C.’s Code. One gives up his Geass when he gets the Code, but we see Lelouch still using his Geass after defeating Charles. And C.C.’s crying in the church is a hint that she did not transfer her Code to Lelouch. Another is Nunnally–she is so perceptive that she could tell just by touching Lelouch’s hand what he and Suzaku were planning, why did she not also see the deception that Lelouch was immortal and that he knew he wasn’t going to die? Unless Sunrise writers forgot this plot point or don’t care–remember that they killed off Mu La Flaga only to change the story to bring him back.

    jounin
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  652. Alright guys, suppose Lelouch did get C.C.’s code. Suppose he’s now an immortal living with C.C. Suppose they’re even lovers. What does that mean for Lelouch in the longterm. He can’t, under any circumstances, ever show his face, as that would totally destabilize the new world order, so this leaves C.C. as his only possible companion. And she’s got at most another 70, maybe 80 years left until she’s gone, leaving Lelouch alone for the rest of eternity. But he could just give someone else Geass and then his Code and die, right? Something tells me he’s aware that doing that would start the cycle all over again, so that’s not an option: he’s said before that Geass ends with him. So he’s alone. Forever. Unless of course the loneliness drives him so insane he DOES do the Geass thing, in which case everything he worked so hard to achieve is undone a few hundred year from now. Honestly guys, do you really want Lelouch to be alive. REALLY? Then again, the same problems apply to C.C., so idk.

    Aresu
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  653. Aren’t two codes needed so that if ragnorok was completed or something else happened to the population, there would be two people, assuming it has to be one male and female, to repopulate the world?

    Also perhaps when a geass user dies, their geass’ effect doesn’t wear off straight away, instead if slowly erodes, which might explain why Nunnally eventually breaks it?

    Yay for the with and the warlock living!

    Abhorsn
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  654. Lelouch didn’t get CCs code, he got his fathers which was on the hand that choked him back in the world of CC. He has CCs geass but not her code, making him able to reach ultimate CODE GEASS, hence the name of the show.

    Cupcake
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  656. To Every one
    Show Spoiler ▼

    Dragonite88
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  658. There’s 32 pages so I don’t know if any mentioned this, but hasn’t anyone thought that lelouch might have done the same thing as marianne, after I assume she has used her geass to move around before and considering she only discovered she could talk telepathically to c.c. after she “died” it might be some extra effect unrelated to her geass.

    sakray
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  659. I truly believe that the one driving the wagon is lelouch, otherwise the ending will just suck and don’t forger these series they always bringing people back to life.(lady Marianne, Cornelia, Jeremiah etc.)

    goku
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  660. I personally think it was a good ending. It was consistent with the characters and the general nothing-comes-without-a-price vibe of the show.

    The only thing I think should have been done differently was to have Lelouch at the end be CC in disguise, and have Lelouch go back to being Zero, so CC gets her wish and Lelouch comes across as all the more devious at the end.

    OTE
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  661. If thats true sakray than that means he is still alive. The fact is that we saw him “killed”, but notice how no one ever checked his vitals. When CC. died in the first episode, her vitals had stopped working temporarily, so Nunnaly not recognizing him as alive does not mean he is. I think the creator put the scene with the cart there on purpose, to make people come up with their own ending on what happend from there. That or he might consider another series, but that would mean something along the lines of Schneizel breaking free from the Geass effect, or CHARLES is back………………… My personal opinion is that it’s meant to be there for everyone to create their own ending.

    I think Lelouch is still alive, I mean the crane next to CC is also a symbol. “If you make 1000 your wish will become true” Nunnaly’s wish was for her and her brother to live happily ever after, that crane might be the 1000th one…

    Grimjaww
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  662. paper crane on the wagon beside C.C. is the one which Nunally made, and she wouldnt give it to anyone else but her dear brother who is driving a cart with a sexy but hundreds of years old chick in his wagon. Hail Lelouch the masked bandwagon driver!(if he the one under the mask…,hopefully)

    frutti
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  663. @OMNI
    Is it possible for you to revive the Poll section and ask the question on every one’s lips:

    Did Lelouch really die or did he revive later?

    It would be a great question to restart the polls and it would give an actual view of who the majority is, those that believe he lived, or those that believed he died.
    So, please OMNI…bring back the long missed polls!

    zeroherrera
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  664. Show Spoiler ▼

    @Azumi

    I agree with you, regarding the fact that R2 is quite disconnected from Season one. For example, I thought that we would have seen the development of Milly’s relationship background with Lelouch and her family’s relationship with Marianne, as well as the reasons why the Ashfords lost their Noble Status. All of those fill in episodes could dealt with Ashford Academy in a serious manner, such as their connection to the KMF research and their other research inventions. I wanted to see Milly’s love for Lelouch develop in the same manner as Kallen’s or Euphemia. It’s too bad that the writers wasted this wonder opportunity by making Ashford Academy into a comic relief. In Turn 12, I was hoping that Milly would finally confront Lelouch with her feelings for him before she left. If Milly x Lelouch had been a couple, it might have worked out very well. Too bad they made Shirley take his hat, only to have her killed off in Turn 13. Milly is the only other love interest that Lelouch was unaware of. But given the direction of the series, it was doubtful that Milly would ever get the chance to tell Lelouch how she felt about him. Such a waste. If there was no chance that Milly would be with Lelouch, why they even bother to mention that she was secretly in love with him, if Lelouch wasn’t going to be around to hear it?

    As of now, I no longer recognise R2 as a canon of the Code Geass saga. That is reserved for Season one. If they every bring back Code Geass as a TV series, it would likely be a reset version of what R2 would have been, as first envisioned by the creators before Sunrise fucked it up.

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  665. I say F U Sunrise!!! But we all know that they’re going to milk money from people when they decide to pull an OVA from their ass just to say that Lelouch is really dead or that he is the wagon driver…

    MaimeDaifuku
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  666. you cant have a better ending than that. people just have to create their own scenarios to fit in this ending. if you want him dead, so be it. if you want him alive, then believe it so. i prefer that lelouch be alive and he was the driver. i thought about focusing the camera from the back to CC to the front and seeing the driver but no hair or eyes are seen. just a smirk would do. that would have been my ending. but then, when i thought about it if that was the ending, then a lot more questions would be raised by fans and it wouldnt be as, you know, epic or mysterious or masterpiece-like as the one the author came up. leaving it open ended i think was the best choice. there really is room for more (another season or movie or ova) but im sure majority of the fans are satisfied with this. they might even have code geass withdrawals. i think i have it. lol. if they do make another season, i think it would be best to keep it under water first and not reveal it to the public. coming up with another storyline for this series is definitely hard but easy at the same time. hard because they cant always make every fan happy and easy. easy because the character is just in a league on his own that it can just attract many fans and viewers into the show with just him, lelouch aka zero. if if i may suggest a plot for another season, it would be set four years into the future. with empress nunally preparing to wed another prince or king from another country who seems kind but is in fact just marrying her for her qualifications (power, status, etc). nunally reluctantly agrees to the marraige because it could bring union to two major countries and of course part of her uneasiness is because she tells herself she doesn’t deserve to be happy for all the past misdeeds she has done and because her brother was never happy and always suffering so she keeps worrying if this is really the right decision. at the same time, gino has already proposed engagement to kallen, who is his girlfriend. however, kallen still hasn’t asnwered him back after weeks coz she still keeps thinking of lelouch. then some struggles and battles and war against other countries again happen and the mastermind of it all, who is pulling the string from behind, is nunally’s fiance. also, gino is working/fighting under him. although he does not know his true evil nature, he does his job not knowning the true aim of his master. then, at one battle sequence that is broadcasted all over the world, suzaka disquised as zero is killed in battle. everyone is shocked but then guess who pops out of the blue. the one watching over everyone ever since. the genius. the true savior. Lelouch disguised as zero. then the story starts around there. of course suzaku would be back but only in the middle, maybe, of the series. past feelings are rekindled and bond are renewed. we all know kallen really loves lelouch. and even nunally. marrying your sibling in royalty is not weird. it would be nice if he had a harem. anyways, that is just a rough draft. lelouch being emperor in the end, would allow him to marry more than one. a picture with him and his three wives with children each in the end would be the icing in the cake. however that is just too good to be true. although a lot of people do like happy endings. and im one of them.

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  668. Now that I have seen the end, to my surprise, I thought it was pretty decent. Finally a couple of Lelouch’s friends/pawns/harem see what he is trying to do, why and how.

    I disagree greatly with Ougi as prime minister. He isn’t very trustworthy and he keeps the important stuff to himself: He kept Villetta a secret from everyone (even though it could endanger Zero, but he was too curious at first and later let love blind him) and made decisions based on keeping her hidden and what was possibly good for her. That had consequences and it seems like that never came to light. Also, Lelouch could have let Villetta be killed or anything like that, but he gave her the option to do as she wished, even giving her the oppertunity to meet up with Ougi during the “I am Spartacus” event.

    Putting that aside, he never showed any leading capabilities or being able to make the right decisions on his own. I think that making him become prime minister, while he is a minor character who has contributed very little to freeing Japan. He isn’t made of the stuff to be a prime minister. Just as Tamaki won’t ever be the minister of finances, because he simply ‘doesn’t have the skills for it.

    I wonder if anyone ever got punished for the things they did. Everyone seems to get off the hook. Maybe because it is a fresh start, a new beginning?

    The ambigious ending leaves me a bit cold. They seemed to have been afraid of the fans reaction if they would have said he was death, or alive for that matter. So to please everyone, they seemed to have left it open for interpretation.

    Teeh
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    Lelouch
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  670. what a great ending! almost cryed :(!
    but still, we didn’t get C.C.’s real name 0,0!! Lelouch’s sacrifice will never be forgotten! ^^ a great series that would definitely become a classic =)!

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  674. Lelouch lives!

    Someone mentioned it on the net, but if you go back to the scene where nunally (zero+sneizel) is greeting ogi, you’ll see that sneizel’s geass is still active (the colored eyes from being geassed). Also, i don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this, but does anyone really think Sneizel would go along with this plan and serve Zero from his own free will? Just my two cents….

    Lazy
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  675. A little WTF on the ending there, but overall good. I say he’s still alive and CC gave him immortality or something…I’ll be waiting for the final picture thing 25.1 or something to see what goes on.

    Wasn’t Nunally geassed so she couldn’t walk or see? And didn’t someone say if the geass-er dies, the geass is broken? If so, wasn’t Charles ‘killed’ sometime ago? Meh, whatever.

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  676. @ Azumi
    &
    @ Max

    I kind of agree. I do think they managed to wrap it up to satisfaction. But The season overall wasn’t that good. And I prefered seasone one. More Zero schemes. R2 started to fall apart, imo. Too rushed and pushed.

    They have never developed several plotlines, like the Kururugi connection to C.C., Milly’s love for Lelouch, where all the immortals from C.C.’s flashback are or what happened to them, Xing-ke’s deadly disease, etc. I agree with Max that those filler-tastic Ashford episodes, though amusing and having some content that helped develop some element in the series (the acceptance of Suzaku as Eleven in school, e.g.), it would have been better spend as epi’s with substance. Not that all of Ashford should be erased, but just use it in limited doses and when needed.

    Also, the Mao episodes were not of much use either. I don’t think it added anything to the story. Sure, it gave some insight in C.C., but that could have been done differently. Mao got more screen time than any random villain should.

    The villains were not very impressive. Schneizel was a weak villain. In the end, I still don’t really get why he was doing as he was, if he basically had no real interest in anything. Charles wasn’t a great villain either, but at least he was more believable.

    Teeh
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  677. I loved the ending. I thought it was very fitting for this series. Personally I think Lelouch is dead. Most of the evidence seems to point to him being dead.

    But I suppose with this being the notorious Sunrise they can always bring him back *coughs*Mwu*coughs* Of course, that would cheapen things and totally ruin the emotional impact of the episode. Just like GSD ruined the power and emotion of episode 49 in Gundam Seed.

    zalem
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  678. By the way, did we ever find out C.C.’s real name? It’d kinda suck that after all this time, and after that moment Lelouch and C.C. had in the cave we don’t get to know her name.

    Also, is there a chance for a third season, R3 or something?

    HakuroAkawashi
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  679. omgosh! this is crazy…I usually read all of the comments, but hell no this time…there’s already 600 comments and increasing…xD

    and on to the show~!
    I did love the ending, and Lelouch death did make me cry actually…they made that a sucess with Nunally shouting brother and finding out the truth.
    and no matter what others say I believe Lelouch is still alive and with CC until Sunrise releasess something that proves me wrong.
    I still believe Code Geass is one of the best animes out there! so! overall, S1 and S2 gets a 9.5/10 rating from me, as for s1 it gets 10/10 and for s2 its a 9/10! xD

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  681. Loved the ending. The war to end all war. I’m kinda sad that it’s over though, cause I have nothing to look forward to on sundays anymore.

    Is it just me, or does lelouch seem a bit like Jesus?

    wow
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  683. oh yeah, where is Sayoko…haha, don’t tell me SHE’S the wagon driver! It’d be funny tho! xDD
    and why does everyone think that if the geass user dies then the one that they geassed get ungeassed…I mean, it wasn’t ever like that. Charles died, yet everyone at school still didn’t know who Nunally was…actually, they never really brought it up…but what not, I don’t think the effects of geass would wear off if the user dies…

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  688. “””Since saying this, I’ve been presented with some interesting arguments (including the theory that Lelouch inherited the Code, thus becoming RR, aka. R2) that have me at least reconsidering if it’s Lelouch or not. If something like this were indeed the case, then the ending might have more closure than I originally thought.”””

    That’s a good point, though you might think that saying that also makes the ending have less closure since you don’t know whether or not Lelouch is immortal.
    However since I like closure I’m going to stick with the ending that says Lelouch is alive.
    If that’s the case everyone gets what they want.
    Suzaku likes being the “justice” person (let’s not go into that argument)
    Lelouch gets CC and a safe world for Nunnally (for now)
    World peace?
    Ohgi and Viletta married w/ children.
    Everybody else gets paired up, Cornelia x Knight, etc.
    Side Note: If this was all Lelouch’s plan I’m sure he could plan to not die in the end. He is smart so he could find a way, right?

    Even if Lelouch is dead I would think it would be a great ending. I seen the Suzaku part coming, and I kind of had a hunch Lelouch wanted all the hate on him and then “die”. Good Series, didn’t disappoint.

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  689. @Kannie – You’re right. If that was true, then Nunally should have been able to see and walk the second Charles died. Also, Marianne geassed herself into Anya, shouldn’t that go away immediately if she died? Nope, the geassed don’t get ungeassed. Otherwise Schneizel would rise up against the world again and there’d be a war all over again. 😛

    LOL, what about the girl that Lelouch geassed into going and putting a mark on the wall of the academy each day? What about when she graduates, when she has a family and everything? 😛

    HakuroAkawashi
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  692. Hey, that was a pretty good ending. I’m personally a sucker for happy endings, so obviously it would have been even better with one change, but that definitely wasn’t a bad way to go. With the way just about anything could happen after 24, I worried it would have a tragic ending, like [spoiler]Nunnally firing the FLEIA and unintentionally killing them all[/spoiler].

    [spoiler]I’m also glad that they didn’t pull a Berserk ending (the anime; the manga goes way past the part I’m talking about). All through both of those series I had an uneasy feeling of “I don’t trust this guy; he’s too consumed by his ambitions, and I can’t tell whether he’s a good guy or a bad guy”. It’s nice that in this case he was a good guy.[/spoiler]

    Just my two cents, added to the other $13.50.

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  693. @HakuroAkawashi

    It was said that there would be no continuation or partial end. It’s doubtful that we’ll see an OVA unless it relates to season one. Also, if they do bring back Code Geass as TV show once again, I believe that it would be a reset version of R2. This was the planned version that the writers were forced to drop because of the timeslot change to 5PM Sunday evening, which is known for having younger viewers. This would bring some restrictions as to what they can and can not show, like sexual overtones(brief nudity or sexual comments) and more detailed storytelling, like “Law and Order” or “The Shield”, that is geared towards older viewers. So a lot of stuff that they wanted to do was either edited or removed. Also, the director said that the original R2 was to have taken place almost 6 months after the first season had left off. That was why the creator was not happy with this season at all because Sunrise changed their Thursday late night timeslot, which is the adult mature oriented hour.

    I think that the intended version was going to see some of the female characters living out their sexual fantasies and some surprising revealations.

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  694. For all those people saying that Lelouch must be alive because he transferred his memories to Nunally, you should watch that scene again. It seems everyone has forgotten the important fact that Nunally can tell if someone is lying by touching their hand. This is made clear by the first few episodes of R2. There is no memory transfer, that scene happens the way it did so it would make us, the viewers, realize that Nunally finally understood that Lelouch had been “lying” for the sake of world peace. Lying is obviously a huge theme in CG, in case you missed it. Lelouch fully expected to die. So did Suzaku and C.C, or else it wouldn’t explain the scenes that precede/occur during his death, such as C.C crying. C.C does NOT nod towards the driver at the end, she turns her head up to look towards the sky. It’s possible she’s able to contact him in the afterworld/world of C ala Marianne or Clovis, or she’s having a monologue with herself, like she often does. The title thing (L.L?) is a total stretch. I’m not saying it’s not possible he’s alive, but the reasons given so far are totally not convincing.

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  695. “There’s also nothing preventing evil or a despot from rising to power again.”

    Precisely! I can’t understand how so many people are saying that Lelouch actually achieved what he’s set out to do through his death. Death of one tyrant and the creation of one heroic ideal (Zero) can’t possibly prevent the rise of more tyrants! In the short run maybe, but just give it two or more generations, and watch the whole thing start again.

    Lelouch managed to create temporary peace and instill an idea, but I don’t even he believes what he did will change the very base of human nature.

    5_of_Spades
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  699. Come to think of it, have you guys ever wondered why Lelouch never asked Schniezel about the location of Marianne’s body? I guess that Marianne’s pissed Lelouch off because she supported Charles’ plan to change the instead of wondering if they were alright. What could Marianne do when she was trapped in a 7 year old girls’ body? She did send C.C. to watch over them. And Lelouch accussed her of abandoning him and Nunnally. I guess that he and he parents can now work towards an understanding and healing now that they are altogether in the afterlife.

    Max
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  700. Lelouch did transfer his memories because she knew the exact events of what happened between him and Suzaku. She didn’t get the gist of it, she literally saw it. Nunally can tell if somebody is lieing, yet fully believed Schneizel when he BS’d his way into controlling her. Also, I think she only had that advantage because she was blind and her other senses were able to sharpen accordingly.

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  701. @5_of_Spades
    He did bring peace. The entire world is now interconnected and with the fall of the empire, the UFN becomes the world government and the Black Knights are the peace keepers of the world. There is little chance a tyrant can form in an unified world, compared to a collective of nations and ideals. There is also Zero, an immortal symbol of justice. Though Suzaku might die of old age, he will most likely pass the mask on, and so will continue the path to eternity. A world ruled by the people and protected by he who gives up his life and identity to become “Justice”. Lelouch did find a solution to war and to the never ending Future. ALL HAIL LELOUCH, the savior/martyr of mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!

    zeroherrera
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  702. uhmmm O-u.T
    if you want to see a fall anime preview so bad why don’t you just look them up on your own and if your too lazy to do that alot of other blogs already have theirs up alright Omni ain’t getting paid to do this alright?

    Hei
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  703. Code Geass ended great.Not the way I expected but good.I only wish that Lelouch and Kallen could have gotten together but it was still good.One thing I wonder is why Li Xingke isn’t in Ougi and Viletta’s wedding pic and if CC gave Lelouch her code why isn’t she dead.Also it’s ironic how someone who went crazy hearing the word orange can actually pick them.

    Michael
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  706. I don’t know, the fact that Sunrise put that scene in their was to mess things up.

    Anyways there may not be any facts (Lelouch’s face), however the fact that she said that (summarized)”Whoever has Geass would be lonely” is NOT true, means that She is not alone.
    She could be talking about herself or Lelouch, either way she’s not talking to the afterlife or communicating to him inside herself.
    Then again if you look at the final words spoken Right, Lelouch? I begin to think why isn’t it Lelouch, Right? or Right? Lelouch…

    anyways since the writers went and decided to do that, i will make my own ending and never watch anything else about Code geass again. (unless it’s season one or two)

    kayne001
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  709. Lets also look at this, a few episodes ago Suzaku told Lelouch that because he started everything through lies, he must continue them through lies as well. The ultimate lie would be to fake his own death, even subconsciously with out knowing it. Thus he continued to deceive until he finally achieved happiness.

    Cupcake
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  711. I don’t think lelouch is alive because his death is necessary to develope one of the themes of the show. His death summarized his life struggle for happiness and the dedication he has to achieve it. Everyone is only trying to pursue their own happiness and the chance to live your life chasing after it was what lelouch wanted for everyone (Not at first cus he only wanted happiness for nunnally but then realized everyone should have it as well, the events of his companions such as shirly, rolo, suzaku, even Mao [He only wanted to be with C.C] caused him to realize this). But to do that he would have to create world peace, so he lived and gave his life bringing peace to the world.

    Why can’t he still be alive and enjoy his happiness? In reality that’s not how life works. No one lives long enough to truly achieve happiness. Most of the time we probably never get really close enough to actually reach it. What we see in Code Geass is Lelouch’s pursuit of happiness.

    He wanted to seek out why his mother died inorder to gain closure with the past and move on to the future. We can see that he finally takes action toward the future with “zero requiem”, which he came up with after finding everything out from His father and mother.

    That’s also the point where he came to an epiphany with a desire for tomorrow. All his past experience and mistakes lead him to realize this. He sees his companions pursuit of happiness and the impact of those events on him made him wonder what he was really living his life for. He wasn’t living his life for nunnally, which he realized when nunnally with the dissappearence of nunnally, then with the “death” of nunnally, and finally when he had to actually fight against nunnally. Nor did he have a desire to have power (in season 1, when rivalz asked if he planned to be a CEO of a company, he said no because he really had no interest in just attaining power just to have it. [Although geass gave him immense power, he only used that power to achieve his goals, not to actually control people.]) He decided his life purpose was to open the path to happiness for everyone with world peace and to atone for the mistakes he made in the past.

    In the end he gave his life to give the world a chance for the future and his death should provide closure to the viewers of what his life was all about, living his life trying to achieve happiness for his loved ones.

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  712. @cupcake: Schneizel might have fooled Nunally, but two things. One, in no scene do we see her touching his hand. Two, he’s wearing gloves all the time. And we don’t know if she literally saw what happened. It could easily have been a flashback to tell us, the viewers, that Nunally realized what went on. It’s a device used often in Anime, and particularly in this series.

    Viper
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  713. And to think that Lelouch might have lived a normal life if his Zero identity wasn’t exposed by Schniezel to the Black Knights. Not to mention that Lelouch was a fool for ever going to the shrine and meeting Suzaku without checking to see if there were spies taging along. The old Lelouch would not have contacted Suzaku, under any circumstances.

    His best advantage was that Suzaku assumed that Lelouch lost his memories. Sayoko could have taken on the mantle of Zero quite easily while Lelouch was at Ashford. Otherwise, the FLEIJA warhead that destroyed Britannia’s government buildings and settlements would not have happened. Nunnally would have been safe. Thus there would have been no way for Suzaku to know if Lelouch was Zero or not. There would have been a way for Lelouch to have saved his sister.

    Max
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  715. I agree with Viper on this because I believe Lelouch is dead meaning he wasn’t immortal which means no memory transfer also like Viper said it’s a common plot device so that they clue us in on what just happened in this case she just finally figured out what her brother for the world.

    Hei
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  716. I do have one thing in mind. Do you remember the contract between Lulu and C.C? It was to give C.C. her death with a smile. It is possible that Lulu is still alive (the one who is driving the wagon). He did promise C.C. that she will die by his hands. So, for me, there’s a strong possibility that Lulu is alive.

    As for my final thought, I think it is possible to have a continuation for Code Geass (a movie or an OVA). One possible scenario:

    Kanon captures Jeremiah and forces him to use his Geass Canceler on Schniezel.
    Given that Schniezel’s memory returned, he uses his powers to control the UFN since he is closely
    related to Zero or he was able to capture Suzaku and in turn, he became Zero.
    Assuming Lulu is alive, he will again try to save the world from Schniezel’s hands.
    After he became victorious from the battle with Schniezel, at the end, he will fulfill his contract
    with C.C. and thus C.C. dies.

    Well, I have just thought about this scenario. For me, they might be producing a movie for this. 😛 But then again, maybe not. ^_^

    Geno
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  721. @Viper

    “It could easily have been a flashback to tell us, the viewers, that Nunally realized what went on. It’s a device used often in Anime, and particularly in this series.”

    From the eyes of the viewers, it is pretty accurate that Nunally “actually” viewed Lelouch’s memory. It was similar to several occasions where Lelouch saw CC’s past.

    No
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  722. @zeroherrera

    The ending for me has closure since Lelouch did achieve what he’s set out to do through his death (or non-death and a Spice and Wolf ending for some of the fans). The world is a better place, peaceful and productive under united efforts.

    But how long can a one world coalition of governments with immensely different social, cultural, and religious backgrounds last? Sooner or later there will be separatist groups popping up. (Heck if there are people who want to separate from Canada of all places IRL, there will be people who’d want to split from the UFN, some through violent means.)

    Also the idea of one masked man passing down the responsibility of safe-guarding justice for the world sounds like a potentially hazardous idea to me.

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  723. Shows don’t end with the hero living if they wanted to show the viewers the life struggle of a person. That would make it too open ended and if the hero continues to live then all he has done wasn’t what his life was all about but only a part of it. No one’s life can be summed up if they continue to live, which is a beutiful idea as we are always constantly creating our lives everyday. A life can only be summed up when the person dies. It’s a common device used in stories where the theme is portrayed with the life of a character. The character can’t have more to their future, they must be ended.

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  724. @Charles
    no one got his code and he didn’t exactly die although it’s the same thing it’s more of he was in the way of lelouch’s wish of a tomorrow thus he and marianne dissipated but it’s probably also related to how he geassed (wished) Jupiter. Like if he geassed a random person wishing for a tomorrow nothing would’ve happened but inside the world of C and Jupiter made up the elements needed for his demise making the impossible possible.

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  726. Clearly Lelouch isn’t dead. Just look, everyone in the series whose had the double eye Geass hax thing is immortal, first C.C., then V.V. then Charles and now Lelouch, who probably gained immortality when he owned his old man.

    Besides, it’s just not like Lelouch to just drop dead, he’s probably sitting on some thrown laughing maniacally saying: “Just as planned MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA”, I can totally see that throne in the form of the driver seat of a horse cart. Just look carefully, what kind of horse cart driver man dresses like that? And why would said horseman have a need to wear an obstructive hat, a hair cloth thing to cover the hair AND a sash around his shoulders. Also, when the camera is going up the cart, you catch a couple pixels of the face, which, coincidentally, is hidden in shadows, a typical “mysterious man” convention in Anime. When C.C. calles Lelouch, she kind of looks up like over top of her head in the direction of the driver.

    ALL HAIL LELOUCh!

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  727. @No: It’s actually not similar. If you’re referring to the time that Lelouch saw C.C’s memories at the end of season one, it’s totally different. In that case, he was drawn into the world of C (Jupiter overhead, everything whitish, no clothes). In fact, in every case C.C uses the power of her code (unwillingly or not), there are similar conditions. If someone can tell me a point where he or someone else views C.C’s memories without going into the world of C, please let me know.

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  728. Thinking back to the opening lyrics of colors, it makes quite alot of sense for the series.

    “I feel that the moment, when i could change myself and even the world, is always by my side.”

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  729. R2’s 25th episode is I think the most proper end for this kind of anime. I know it is sad that Lelouch died but how can you keep a tarnished track record alive? Everyone’s hate is directed towards him, and everyone means the whole world. How would you feel living under the command of a tyrant? Having him dead is the best sacrifice or the Ultimate sacrifice in releasing the world from pain and sufferings. Killing him will set the whole world free. That is the brilliance of Lelouch. His aims were to change the world aiming for the better future. The world was a chaotic place to stay and it needed a fresh start, where there is no fear, oppression, war and injustice. All of those was incorporated into one being, and that is Lelouch. I think the writer wanted to approach Lelouch as a prophet or like Jesus. This time he took the sin of the entire world, made it is own and destroyed everything with his death. Even if he died a sinner he was remembered as a hero not as Lelouch but as Zero.

    There might also be a possibility that the driver of the hay cart was Lelouch. Watching 50 episodes of never ending guesses and surprises code geass, you should be open to that kind of possibilities. How many times in this anime, someone was thought to be dead but end up living? Didn’t Lelouch give Suzaku a geass? The geass of hope and faith? There could be a big possibility by accomplishing his contract with CC, he had also become an immortal. This might be a very wild guess but we’ll never be sure anymore right? Unless they make an R3 of the CG saga which I think was very is very impossible because of the return of Gundam 00. This is one of those anime where we the audience will be the one’s to finish it with our imagination. The ending was very open ended right? There was no definite end but we where guided where to start. This might be like the gundam series where in another time another geass user will change the world. CC is still alive isn’t she? There may be a R3 in the near future but I could be wrong.

    Overall I rate this anime 10/10 because of its uniqueness and its storyline which was excellent. Bravo Code Geass..

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  730. I’m wondering… how do names work in this series? Some of you have been saying Lelouch might become RR. how is the ‘r’ determined, will his original name be given up? same goes for CC and VV. hmm…

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  731. I doubt Lelouch even knew that he was immortal, he probably just woke up in the coffin and was like “WTF?”

    I think he punked the immortality from his old man, so now both him and C.C. are immortal so they’re like those god figures you hear about that kind of come out every couple of centuries to do some crazy things to right the world again. LMAOOOOo. Why do I C.C. is still immortal? Because when you inherit the code thing the last person should die, and who died when Lelouch got his hax geass? His old man.

    C.C. also said “Geass power of kings = ur lonely, but that’s not tru is it?” If she didn’t have geass immortality power anymore, why would she say that?

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  733. This closure truly shows how indifferent Lelouch is compared to Light in DN, so please people don’t compare them, it’s a crime, I tell you.

    Lelouch is far more superior and far more better man than Light could ever be, even greater than L, or any protagonist and antagonist out there.

    What do you guys think? Isn’t Lelouch’s character THE BEST protagonist and antagonist? I certainly think so. He is quite a protagonist and quite the antagonist as well.

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  738. Lelouch alive in end isn’t really that important to the series. Most likly he’s dead because no good writer would create a story about the life of a character, make a statement with his life struggle, and allow him to live in the end and cause it to make those only a part of his life. He must be deleted to become complete.

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  739. @Kabayongtao

    “Isn’t Guilford Blind?”

    I was thinking the same thing… (and LOLing inside)

    Maybe he now has an eye condition where he is not blind, but extremely sensitive to light?

    5_of_Spades
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  742. @negimagi:
    i thought about it, so the engrish of that would be LL. :]
    then perhaps CC’s real name was Elizabeth?
    C.C. = C2 = ‘cee cee’ = Sissy? Sissy is a shortening of the name Elizabeth.

    mayhap? :0

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  743. Maybe Guildford isn’t actually blind, but just thought it would be cool to make a career change and because a body guard like the ones from movies, and everyone knows that to be a super spy bodyguard, you have to have one of those generic sunglasses that you never take off.

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  747. se pasan de verga los japos, hacer que lelouch muera, no mamen, siempre salen con sus pinches finales cagados estos japoneses, ya ni pedos haber que pasa mas adelante, espero que siga con vida el cabron ese.

    saludos

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  748. Light actually thought he became god while Lelouch stayed humble still trying to change the world. And he only kills soldiers I don’t think he’s killed a innocent citizen yet or at least meant to (Euphiemia)

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  749. @negimagi10
    OMG that’s AMAZING!! I didn’t even think of that…well at first I did…but i was like LL?? like loserx2?? i didn’t think of the engrish lol. I guess overall I was just disappointed with the second series…not enough C.C. and plus i was really pulling for luluxshirley! 🙁

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  750. I am sure the driver is Lelouch since they try to do a close up but didn’t want to show his face. The way CC looks and talks at the end only make me think that he was closed by. Also, Kallen knew what was happening and that the only reason she insisted that zero was zero is because she wanted to accomplished what Lelouch wanted to do by sacrificing himself. She was crying knowing what Lelouch was trying to do as the fake zero kills Lelouch.

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  751. Sorry for the double post…but can nunnally walk?? Cuz I thought the reason she fell flat on her face was because she wasn’t used to walking…so why is she still in a wheelchair?…or is it that she ACTUALLY can’t walk anymore

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  752. @Viper

    As far as I know, this kind of event only occured with an immortal being which is why I refer to similar as Lelouch is immortal.

    I read several comments that one must die first before the code activate. In Charles’ case, Lelouch geass worked on him a well which means he was not immortal yet. In this case, Lelouch’s code activation might automatically occured.

    Moreover, why did Nunally trusted the unknown Zero who killed the brother whom she realized that just lied just her? I mean, from the previous episode where Nunally knew someone lies by touching his/her hand, she still have no idea what his/her lied about. But in this case, it looks like Nunally knew eveything Lelouch had done from the point he made a compromise with Suzaku. Which likely means she realized that the new Zero was Suzaku thus she had no hatrous toward him.

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  756. @No: I’m simply saying that this event was not similar to any of the times when C.C. passed her memory, thus it being more likely that it was not a memory exchange, but simply a device used by the director to convey Nunally’s realization to the audience. She trusted the Zero that killed her brother because she figured out it was Suzaku. She can know this without a memory transfer; after all, Kallen also realized it within seconds of seeing Zero.

    It’s possible that the Code only activates after death. However, that’s besides the point. I’m saying that if you disregard the premises of Lelouch transferring memories, the absurdly stretched title conclusion, and C.C. apparently tilting her head towards the driver (instead of the sky), there is no reason to believe Lelouch has a code at all. Charles, after all, has absolutely no reason to give Lelouch immortality.

    On the other hand, there is an huge amount of evidence to support the fact that he is dead. Him atoning not by dying, but by dying for world peace and everyone’s happiness. This moment was built up to throughout the entire show, and it would trivialize the scene and his sacrifice if it turns out he’s happily living with C.C.

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  758. jaja you guys you remenbber when cc talk to mariane well shes talking to lelouch the same way at the end jaja at least now cc will have someone to be whit the rest of her imortality so he is agood guy after all he save the worl and keep his promise to cc to be whit her forever get it …. or somehow he has the code of inmoratlity you know that is code geasss r2 so that mean 2 rr a r in english would be a l so 2 L would mean lelouch lamperouge in other words it could be his inmortal but i prefer mi first teory

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  759. I think it was better if Lord Jeremiah died in the battlefield. Who knows, what if he accidently used his Geass Canceler to Schneizel?

    But I believe Schneizel would not cause a war that would destroy the current peace since he doesn’t have “Desires” according to the statements made by some characters in Code Geass.

    And there is Suzaku, the Legendary Protector of the World O_O

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  761. I heard from this dude that knows a dude that knows another dude that has a neighbor who knows this mail man that knows a dude that says there’s going to be a Code Geass movie and Lelouch is alive. is this true?

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  762. @geass dude: No, I don’t believe C.C. can talk to the World of C, but only to Marianne and V.V., this was the only known instances where she talked to someone. Although the Sword of Akasha can allow a person to do so. Like the Charles talking the dead Clovis.

    In C.C.’s case is different, she talked to Marianne whom was technically alive due to her geass, which she even explained that allowed her to talk to C.C. directly.

    So it seems that C.C. is truly talking to that wagon driver, which IMO is Lelouch, because it wouldn’t make sense otherwise.

    Think about it, if it was some random guy, then why in the world would C.C. talk about Geass and how it makes one become isolated, to not be true in this case.

    Also now we know where that title came from, Code Geass, seeing as Lelouch probably has both the Code and Geass. Why I think this is possible is because of Charles’ death, Charles was wondering why he was dying even though he was immortal, it was probably because Lelouch took his Code seeing as he was strong enough to do it (since he was able to activate his second eye geass). Just like most people probably think that Lelouch most likely wasn’t aware that he became immortal.

    So Suzaku wouldn’t know about it either, and maybe even C.C. So just like how Charles was affected by Lelouch’s geass and actually had his life taken away, only to realize moments later that he became immortal, could be the same in Lelouch’s case. I also think that even C.C. didn’t know about it, which was why she was crying in the church. So I believe that once Lelouch became immortal, seeing as he cannot reveal himself anymore, probably got into contact with C.C. once again, and now decided to live in the countryside with C.C. This is what I believe, seeing as C.C. was all smiles in the end.

    LONG LIVE LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA!
    LONG LIVE LELOUCH LAMPEROUGE!
    LONG LIVE THE WITCH AND THE WARLOCK!

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  763. COME ON MORE COMMENTS PEOPLE! I WANT CODE GEASS TO HAVE 1000 COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH SOME MIGHT FIND IT A TRAINWRECK AND SOME FIND IT THE BEST EVER! WE ALL CAME TO WATCH AND APPRECIATE SUCH A GOOD SHOW! IMO ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE AMAZING MAIN CHARACTER (BOTH PROTAGONIST AND ANTAGONIST) LELOUCH!

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  765. Code Geass end gives us the most glorious death one could ever have expected. The Cursed Prince achieved his goals and made true his wishes, and Lelouch Vi Britannia has gloriously passed to history with that death as the Byronic Hero he is.
    Actually, I would’ve prefered he pretended he lost the war in Damocles, and would still rule through Schneizel, thus Zero would still be on charge of everything, but happily/sadly and very tragically, Sunrise made it to epic levels.

    And about the fact that Lelouch got Charles’ Code, this is something we never saw, so that’s why this is just speculation.
    Nunnally did not got to see Lelouch’s memories through any Geass-related circumstances, the scene does not show any of it, and the fact that she watches his brother’s smile at the time of his death was the hint to reveal to her his true fore-hand planned intentions.
    And finally Suzaku and C.C. cried for his determination to death.

    He decided he would atone for his sins and die for humanity. This act lets Lelouch truly rule the world as stated by his own words “Only can rule the world the ones prepared to destroy it, and themselves” which eventually happened and Suzaku also suffered for having to kill his friend in the end. Long live Lelouch.

    I may be wrong, of course and it’d be nice if the Witch and the Warlock are still roaming as two immortals traveling around the world being the new Spice&Wolf, but there is no guarantee of it. Hey and let’s see what happens with Kurogane no Linebarrels which has been related too much with Code Geass this new Fall Season.
    Sayonara Code Geass, it may not have been a perfect anime but did have a great end and gave us all great a time to think, discuss, laugh and cry.

    All Haill Lelouch!!!All Hail Code Geass!!!
    All Haill Lelouch!!!All Hail Code Geass!!!
    All Haill Lelouch!!!All Hail Code Geass!!!

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  766. What about C.C’s smile?

    My theory is that Lelouch is R2 now and that his immortality will mean C.C will have a mate she will be happy with for the rest of time. That’s something to smile about right? Otherwise, its no closure for her because she wanted to die, and still cant.

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  772. I didn’t want to read through all these pages, but has anyone mentioned that the “random” wagon driver happens to have a paper crane on the top of the wagon? Seems awfully odd for CC to throw that up there, or the driver, but that would mean…

    I loved the ending but it made me very sad. After I read the R2 theory (RR) I was much happier. I had to confirm as much as possible, like the fact that CC looks backwards when she says “right, Lelouch?” which could be interpreted as the sky, but I’d like to think it was him.

    It was unfortunate that he cant show his face in public, but between death and banishment, I’m sure he felt he deserved it as repentance for killing Euphemia, and bringing about Shirley and Rolo’s death.

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  775. @Squall. It’s not so sad that he can’t show his face in public, all he has to do is wait about 100 years when everyone is dead, then he can see the sad state the world has fallen back into and do the whole thing over again. LMAO

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  777. I personally think that the Cart Driver is Lelouch because when his “dead” body feel from the throne and Nunnally touched it she saw the past events and the truth of the Zero Requim which is C.C.’s code power like when C.C. got beaten unconscious before and Lelouch touched her and found out her real name. So I felt that she passed on the code to him and the death was staged. That being said I now wonder at the possibility of a 3rd season.

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  778. Yeah, the “Lulu is RR is R2” connection works. Japanese uses “ルル” for “Ruru”, translated to “Lulu”. No L’s in Japanese. So it makes sense that he inherited a Geass Code and became immortal: RR. (VV, CC, etc: not sure what their original names were, probably similar)

    Question is, whose Code did he take. C2 clearly retains her memories, so her code has to be intact. Lelouch was impaled in the chest, a fatal wound if he was anything BUT immortal. Nunally touched his hand, and saw his memories, just as anyone who touches C2 sees her memories. So I’m pretty certain Lelouch is the wagon driver, alive, and immortal.

    BUT WHOSE CODE DID HE GET? Charles’ when he was grabbed? It could work, as in the World-of-C, as soon as Charles died, Suzaku would have been on Lelouch’s ass (to kill him) ASAP. One POSSIBLE reason why Suzaku didn’t kill Lelouch ASAP in C-no-Seikai would be if he COULDN’T – he tried, but post-Charles-Lelouch just got back up. But this is contradicted from the ending; it seems the only people aware of Lelouch’s (I’m immortal) plan were Orange and C2, possibly excluding Orange (he may just have been “happy to do Royalty’s Will”). Otherwise Suzaku wouldn’t be so distraught about killing Lulu – if he knew Lulu would be fine. Also, Nunally would have found out her brother was alive (his memories). I’m inclined to believe Suzaku, therefore Nunally, didn’t know Lulu was immortal.

    Plus, Lulu would NEED outside help to get his “corpse” out of the way after the fact. And the only people that know who Suzaku/Zero really is would be Lulu, Orange, and C2 – and Nunally (found out after seeing his memories). This may be why she is so comfortable around Zero in the ending montage. If it were a “stranger”, she would be more upset. (But she DOESN’T KNOW Lulu is immortal, same as Suzaku!)

    The other outlying possibility is that C2 somehow got Lulu proper medical treatment fast enough, and he isn’t immortal, but I doubt that since everyone would have found out – plus the fact Nunally could see his memories at all. It’s too indicative of a Code. So that leaves the following scenario:

    Lulu’s “kill me and end hatred” plan involves three “in” people: Suzaku, C2, and Orange – Nunally finds out after the fact. Lulu lets Suzaku think he is killing him dead so he won’t need to worry about information leaking later. Lulu’s “immortal-run-away” plan involves two people: C2, and POSSIBLY Orange. The accomplice gets rid of the body later. Then Lulu and C2 run off together and go their merry way. Nunally can see Lelouch’s memories, since he is Code’d/immortal like C2, and that’s the only way he could survive a stab to the chest. Source of the Code he owns is unknown: it’s not C2’s, since she has her memories – the only other person is Charles. Or possibly the “gods” C2 was praying to – but that’s really far out there.

    Well, I get that they were going for showing that anyone can die in war, and death is pointless/meaningless, but the plot still wasn’t as hard hitting as the fist 23-eps of Season 1. Orange just may have redeemed himself, even if it was out-of-(original-)character. No [spoiler] tag used since I’m not discussing anything from upcoming episodes, I’m discussing THIS episode only. Why are you reading the comments if you aren’t reading the main article?

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  779. ah.
    first reaction: WHAT THE HECK!!!!
    second reaction: tear-jerker. MWAH!!!!! so S killed L in the end. so we were left hanging for about a year to come to that conclusion… even after season 1’s ep 25.
    third reaction: the last two episodes manages to somehow redeem the middle episodes where the plot developed at a hurried pace.
    maybe I’ll put gayass into my list of things to re-watch. maybe.

    gayass deserter turned lurker
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  781. I see no reason for C.C to talk like that if the wagon driver is not Lelouch. he must be alive. After all, Cornelia, Suzuka, and Nunnally are still alive when everyone thought they were died. Again LELOUCH STILL ALIVE. ALL HAIL LELOUCH

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  782. How could Lelouch have recieved Charles’ code? I thought the code was inherited only from the person that implanted the geass, which would be CC in this case. That is the only part I don’t get about the Lelouch is alive theory.

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  785. I forgot about that. It makes sense then. I like how they left it kind of ambiguous…but based on all the comments about the circumstances, it fits and seems sort of obvious that Lelouch is still alive. I rewatched the end part with CC talking to Lelouch, and she definitely looks back (towards the driver), and not up at the sky.

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  786. face it people, it is now going to be followed by a series called Spice and Immortal. It will be a sort of slice of life following the travels of CC and Lelouch (of course they will use different names to others). It will especially go into detail about the economies in various parts of the world, all the while Lelouch uses his intellect to be the greatest merchant evar, even winning a couple of chess matches along the way.

    To note, he probably got immortality from Charles or something.

    Wasn’t the condition for an immortality transfer one where you have to grant the users wish? so if the user wants to die, you can kill the user. Since CC probably didnt want to die (and enjoyed Lelouch being around to make things interesting), she probably gave him immortality on the condition that he stay by her side. Thus Lelouch x CC shippers win. I don’t know why people thought this wasn’t going to happen, she was the obvious one following the usual trends in anime.

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  787. @Viper

    Like I said, Lelouch code power’s activated (come into affect) when he was about to die. Which means it could be similar to CC’s case. Whether he realized or not against his will as you call it? And it was pretty dedinite that you do not need to willingly give your code for the other to take them. It is shown in episode 21 (I believe) when Charles tried to take CC’s although she didnt want to give it up.

    Keep his promise to CC is a part of the story since episode 1 and in episode 24. I dont see much evidence to support his death, except for the face that he got stab willingly. I’m pretty that Lelouch has no problem in dying but there are many evidence to support his survival.

    :Cc’s last sentence, especially her posture when she said it with out loud trying to face toward the driver. The mysterious driver appear out of nowhere covered his face, a coincidence (might be) but I dont think so. His promise to CC?
    I mean, it doesnt make sense if CC was to live by herself with that smile on her face.

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  788. Well CHarles is immortal, and like I said before, everyone in this show who has double eyed Geass is immortal. There could be two possibilities. When Lelouch appealed to the gods, the gods activated his second eye, coincidentally, at the same time, Charle’s immortality expired, meaning his power could have been transfered into Lelouch because the so-called collective unconcious willed it so.

    Another possibility is if Charles himself gave Lelouch his power when he grabbed Lelouch. Knowing that he’s about to be gone and not wanting Schneizel’s world, he let Lelouch kill him and thus transfer his code into his son (Note that when C.C. tried to give Charles her Code he also had to ‘kill’ her)

    I still stand by my theory that even Lelouch didn’t know he was immortal. C.C. could’ve known that he is immortal, or she wasn’t sure since there probably wasn’t many precedence to someone just randomly getting the second eye by themselves, it always used to be transfered from one person to the next; I also highly doubt that even the Sadistic C.C. would’ve been able to stab Lelouch through the heart to see if he was/wasn’t Immortal. So basically, the only way C.C. or Lelouch would’ve known that he was Immortal is after he sustains a fatal wound and dies, then comes back to life.

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  790. @Viper (sorry for double post)

    Like I said, Lelouch code power’s activated (come into affect) when he was about to die. Which means it could be similar to CC’s case. Whether he realized or not against his will as you call it? And it was pretty definite that you do not need to willingly give your code for the other to take them. It is shown in episode 21 (I believe) when Charles tried to take CC’s although she didnt want to give it up.

    How can Nunally realized it was Suzaku? She never seem what he is capable of as well as his face with her eyes. Us viewers and Kallen can easily detected it was Suzaku from his moment (really easy). I dont know how it is possible for Nunally at all.

    Keep his promise to CC is a part of the story since episode 1 and in episode 24. I dont see much evidence to support his death, except for the face that he got stab willingly. I’m pretty that Lelouch has no problem in dying but there are many evidence to support his survival.

    :Cc’s last sentence, especially her posture when she said it with out loud trying to face toward the driver. The mysterious driver appear out of nowhere covered his face, a coincidence (might be) but I dont think so. His promise to CC?
    I mean, it doesnt make sense if CC was to live by herself with that smile on her face…

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  794. Another thing I noticed (now I might be overanalysing by this point) is where the paper crane sits on the cart. It almost looks like it was thrown up there by Lelouch. If C.C. made it, she would’ve probably put it to her side. Throwing it over your head seems kind of awkward.

    OMG this show is so amazing, I just want to keep speculating like this and in my own way, continue the show. Haha

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  795. wtf im so f***ing pissed that ending sucked it played together with the series good but i thought it was gay that lelouch died im so sad LELOUCH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *sobs continuously*

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  797. I’m still so happy ^__^
    I’m happy lots of people interpret that Lelouch is alive too. Long Live Happy Endings!
    And it really doesn’t matter whether you interpret Lelouch died or not. Happy Ending anyway.
    Geass gave us something to think about to the very end. Taniguchi/Okouchi/

    @W-General
    I totally agree.
    Macross Frontier: BAD END 1/10 *rage*
    Code GEASS: GOOD END 10/10 *satisfied* *fangirls* *loves it eternally*

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  798. @flying dickhead- I don’t know, Mao wasn’t in a contract with C.C. anymore since she cut that off but Lelouch still haven’t fulfilled his contract with her, whether or not her wish has changed since Lelouch “resuced her” is up for debate.

    C.C. also reflects that she should’ve killed mao when she could, which leads me to think that maybe the original initiator of the contract is the only one that has the power to kill someone who has obtained a double eyed geass since, if you remember, Mao was basically shot like 12 million times and still came back with all his limbs in tact, recovering.

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  799. Here’s another argument that lulu is the wagon driver found on the Internetz:

    In conjunction with the other theories out there that try to prove Lulu is alive, here’s my theory, solely upon watching the ending more than 100 times and analyzing the literary elements that the producers put in, and not some plot element.

    The emotional background music stops exactly when CC says “Na, Lelouche?” at the end and Ali Project’s mischievous music plays. Also, CC’s tone when she says “Lelouche” is definitely addressing someone close by, and not reminiscing someone. Although the director might have decided not to show the wagon driver’s face to appease Lulu haters, I’m pretty sure he wanted to shove in as much literary hints as possible to show that Lulu is…. ALIVE!!!!

    People come up with all kinds of stuff to keep lulu alive eh?

    LULUISALIVE?
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  802. if Lelouch is the wagon driver, i cant help but imagine him going off to far places with C.C. and selling stuff like a merchant.then he goes geassing people to buy his wares.=) lol like Spice and Wolf except that both hero and heroine are immortal in this case and that the merchant(Lelouch) wouldnt need that much effort pursuading would be customers…,imagine Lawrence from Spice and Wolf having a geass of absolute obedience 😀

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  806. @Anonymous Coward (myself)

    I think I know what C2’s real name is. Cecelia? Would fit in with the fact she’s a gypsy, European. Plus that whole “Ruru” -> R2 thing got me thinking. If anyone else has names they’d think would fit the bill, go ahead. What was VV’s real name? Charles’ brother? Who knows… (シシリア or シシリャ　or ししりあ　or ししりゃ = Cecelia AFAIK)

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  811. A good ending.

    I think Lelouch is still alive based on many reasons; however, there are also many reasons that refute that. The directors are not connecting anything, yet they are still placing hints to suggest something for us to interpret. I loved Code Geass since season one, and I am quite sad due to withdrawal. There are just some people who don’t appreciate anime for what it is. That is the case for all anime, I guess.

    The only thing I can dream of is possible a side-story in the Code Geass universe – but that’s why it’s a dream; the chances of that happening is almost zero. In any case, this was my favorite anime of all time. There were many concepts to enjoy that is only unique in the Code Geass series:

    -Diversity of genre: School-life, military, drama, action, comedy (I enjoyed how in some episodes there were action filled knightmare battles while in others it concerns the slice of life school of Ashford Academy and boyhood; there were also some running gags that continued such as Orange, Lelouch being physically unfit, etc that allowed a few laughs to be heard)
    -Double personas: This is one of the biggest reasons why I enjoyed Code Geass. The double identity of Zero and Lelouch created big drama. I really enjoyed watching other people’s reactions when they see the beholder of the mask, or how Lelouch lives as both entities. This is also the case between Suzaku and Lelouch, two best friends who constantly tried besting eachother (Lancelot v. Order of the Black Knights) yet they didn’t know the identity of whom they were fighting. I think this is one of the reasons why Ep. 25 of season one was very powerful.
    -Huge cast of characters: Though it can be argued that too many characters causes the pace and speed of the anime to become very face and rushed, I liked how there were many characters. The OoTBK faction, Ashford Academy, Britannia, the Chinese Federation, the Geass Cult, etc provided an unlimited number of character relations between another. Each character had their own distinct personality, which was nice to see how each character interacted.
    -Tactics: This is the epitome of Lelouch. But this isn’t just because of his intelligence. What I like about anime is that “supernatural” concept that is incorporated. The usually mecha anime is just about war, and whichever side wins is because of the superior resources, mecha, pilots, etc. Lelouch isn’t partically fit, but he has tactics. What I noticed in the final battle of the Pacific is that Lelouch’s major combatants consisted of Suzaku, CC, and Orange. The other side had Tristan, Mordred, Guren, Zangetsu, and Shen Hu. The battle was based on tactics, and Lelouch used the Sakuradite volcano tactically to decimate the rift between Lelouch + Damocles/OoTBK. This concept can also be placed in Death Note, which is also why Death Note is very popular.
    -Voice Actors: The cast of Code Geass really helped in showing how the character was. Fukuyama Jun brilliantly acted well for Lelouch’s actor. I also liked the voice actor of CC, Suzaku, Li Xingke, Schneizel, and Tamaki. Each of their unique voices shed light on their characters, personalities, beliefs, aspirations, etc.

    Well, that anime was great. I will miss these days where I can enjoy the anime that is Code Geass. I hope for future OVAs, Picture Dramas, etc. I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did. In this moment I will search again for an anime that can compare to this.

    10/10

    kaesyoo
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  813. This is the best anime I’ve ever seen ;A;
    great plotting and ending

    and I’m starting to think I can forgive Suzaku only because he is starting to really sound like Cloud’s voice
    Sakurai-san<3

    Amau
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  815. To those who think Sayako was Lelouch, look at the prison with Lloyd and the others, she be sittin there. I’m at a standpoint whether Lelouch died or not. Though, he said he was going to have C.C. die with a smile on her face, seems like something that shouldn’t be ignored. Though on the other hand she has a tear go down her eye when she’s at the church when he’s about to die, which can’t be good for smiles. So he might still be alive. The whole “life flashing before eyes” moment though seems like he also died. Good ole difficult endings. 🙁

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  816. i bet they’ll make a special episode or ova like the one in 8th ms team where suzaku and kallen (kallen knows suzaku is zero) goes to the country side and eventually finds lelouch and c.c living peacefully and that c.c goes prego!! =]

    PLA
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  817. Lelouch vi Britannia was a brilliant man. Despite all the things he did wrong, his final act as the “Evil Emperor of the World” helped to unite the people under the mask of Zero. In the end, Lelouch was the hero and the villain of the story.

    For all that, I’ll remember this series as long as live.

    Syaoran Li
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  825. Good ending to one of the best anime series I watched. Not sure about Lelough being the driver of the carriage or not, but either way, I was quite shocked and satisfied by the conclusion. Bravo! 🙂

    Dima
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  829. Kenshen………..Another thing I noticed (now I might be overanalysing by this point) is where the paper crane sits on the cart. It almost looks like it was thrown up there by Lelouch. If C.C. made it, she would’ve probably put it to her side. Throwing it over your head seems kind of awkward.

    OMG this show is so amazing, I just want to keep speculating like this and in my own way, continue the show. Haha

    I’ve been waiting for someone to actually say that. But you actually got a little of that theory wrong!!!!! LULU is the guy driving the CC but not for the reasons you all are thinking of!!!

    1st off, we are dealing with an anime company that never lets people die for long, take this whole series for example; almost every1 that we all thought had died, at least one time or another came back except for the princes and princesses!!

    Secondly, CC can’t be talking to LULU without him actually being alive! He doesn’t have the power that his mother did/does(she and charles are not died and i dont want to hear it) have! His mom didnt have a physical body(after her “death”). She was able to go to CC world!!! Although LULU’s secondary power is unknown(it seemed that he just got smarter or rather more ruthless not actually more powerful because of his new geass), we can make a pretty good guess that his power was completely different than his mother’s, if he did indeed obtain a new power and not just mastery of his old!

    In the third case, CC commented on that the power of the kings known as Geass makes people lonely, but in the case of Lelouch she doesn’t seem all that certain because of 1 of 2 things……he is not died, he has her and the love and admiration of everyone that knew and loved him as he was for being that true hero of the world (for all in the “know”) or that is died and that he is still loved and respected by others for everything that he has done!!!

    And last but not least…………the origami crane! Their maid( the super ninja) taught his sister nun, how to make them right! I;m sure LULU must have made them at least once with his sister and was also taught by Sayoko Shinozaki not for a second saying that CC doesn’t know how to make them but it was also alluded to this in the opening sequence in R2 with same origami crane! The crane spreading the rainbow across the world! In other words, LULU bringing all the world(colors {THE NAME of the FIRST OPENING SONG}) together!! Also this is alluded to again when they so the faces of his father,bother, and himself in the opening sequence!

    Sorry to say that i actually had absolutely no proof of LULU having CC’s code, but at the same time i cant go against it either since that was solve the problem of CC’s and solve the mystery that would be LULU death but………….. until i get some actual proof of that, i wont say!!!!!

    Sorandkairi
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  830. Lelouch IS NOT DEAD, here is the explanation:

    1. He killed his father and he has his code, but it gets active when the user dies. Remember, in C.C.’s memories she says: “Please, get out of my body” referring to the Geass when she dies for first time and realizes that she is immortal. Well the Geass gets active in Lelouch when he dies.

    2. C.C. is talking with Lelouch… think again: She never talks again with Marianne when she dies completely or she never talks or see Mao when he dies, so… Lelouch is alive.

    3. In this final scene C.C says: “The power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” So… if Lelouch is not alone any more and is with C.C… he must to be the wagon driver, ne?, look how C.C. nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver =)

    4. R2 = R.R. in Japanese the “L” letter is pronounced like a “R”, so If all is pronunciation we have this:

    R.R. = L.L (In english) = Lelouch Lamperouge so… he is immortal.

    Another explanation with the pronunciation is C.C.’s name… it’s never have been revealed, but her name must to be Elizabeth, ¿why?

    C.C. = Sissy = Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth.
    Just a pronunciation game.

    5. Lelouch transferred his memories to Nunally before he “died”… only a user with a powerful code can do this… we know that C.C. can do it, but not Lelouch, so… he is immortal.

    You have to analyse every chapter and understand the Geass power to conclude this, but believe me, LELOUCH IS NOT DEAD!! =P

    Kay
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  834. Oh yeah, one final thing that I just noticed. We’re talking about an age with mega black hole nukes and giant gundam robots and super technology, so, WHO STILL CARRIES HAY IN A CARRIAGE POWERED BY HORSES?!?! LMAO, clearly, the answer is “People who just realized they were immortal after being stabbed by their best friend in grand scheme to save the world, who’s eloping with immortal girlfriend to somewhere distant and far away.”

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  835. I’m pretty sure Lelouch had the code for a really simple reason. If we look back, the ONLY way anyone has ever gained it was through killing someone, like CC (probably) being forced to kill the old nun in self-defense, Charles killing VV (note that him talking to VV was the last time we see him alive), and Charles was going to take the code from CC and kill her. Now if we assume that he did in fact technically kill Charles, then we can say that he gained it. On the other hand, whether or not anyone actually knew about this…

    Random
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  836. while i believe that people are entitled to their own beliefs, i have to note that the people who dislike the ending give no reasons to support that claim. lelouch took on the burden of the world and died hated by the entire world for the sake of his loved ones. if you cannot respect that then you don’t understand. if you don’t understand, shut up. don’t say it sux just because lelouch died.

    elm
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  837. it’s always great to stick with unbiased opinion until the end. it really was a struggle to not let my emotion take over my judgement, but i overcame it. i’m happy to say that during a year of conflict with my innerself, i came out to find it worthwhile.

    the whole time i watched code geass, i was constantly on the edge of exploding. but i tried not to expect much from it and i’m happy i didn’t fall in love with the characters. if i had done so, i would’ve suffered a huge blow to future joys of anime entertainment. never expect much and always stay balanced is my moto.

    but i did feel like a scene where lelouch becomes gruesomely intimate with a female cast was needed to further the rating; even if it was gore, the rating would fucking go haywire in a positive sense. =)

    andynai
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  839. I.. have decided to buy BluRay for this whole series.

    Even though I don’t have a BluRay player yet.

    Just to note, I’ve never bought any DVDs or anything of any anime before. I don’t coz, well, I’m poor.
    Though Artbooks/doujinshi/manga/games I do.

    @kaesyoo
    Yep!^_^ I enjoyed as much as you did.
    How about adding:
    -Clash of different ideas/No true black or white, only grey: No other series arouses as much discussion throughout the series as Code Geass did. Remember all those Suzaku vs Lelouch debates? End justifies the means? How people resist organizations because they suffer and how people who don’t have any choice but to join the organization suffer because of resistance? Although I don’t agree with Suzaku’s ways at first, I fully understand him now. (and have totally forgiven him) I loved those discussions. No series gives insight like Code Geass.
    – I also think …

    Oh no, gotta go. I might be able to rant about Geass for hours and hours…

    Yukiruchan
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  842. EVERYONE TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE OPENING SEQUENCE, THEN YOU’LL SEE WHAT I MEAN. The colors in the background behind the emp. and LULU’s brother are reversed with in turn is a symbol of the way they see the world, past and present while on the other hand, Lelouch’s colors are a spectrum! This indicates that he sees more to the world then their two sides of thinking( basically seeing things black and white…but with blue and red, most people still think of them as being opposites, when really they are not)! Anyway I dont feel really like going into detail but…. i hate to say it but that solves that mystery for me!

    AND
    RANDOM, i think that you are right! He could have taken VV’s code which was then Charles’ code!!! But dont have really any proof but I think that explanation is most fitting dont you! Well for the happy ending anyway!

    Sorandkairi
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  843. Well most probably Lelouch survived that one, just that he didn’t know that he had become immortal himself. And the possible accomplice for the escape of his “corpse” was Orange (the last time I saw that scene, he said, “Not good, retreat” after the crowd ran out to ‘rejoice’ the tyrant’s death.) Probably he escaped with Lelouch’s remains with Nunnally still hysterical to her loss of ‘an affectionate brother”.

    If Nunnally saw Lelouch’s memories just by touching him, I assumed that he had been immortal himself. He might have got his father’s code when they where in the World of C. Well, his Geass were activated when his rocket dad flew at him right? -Too bad Lulu haters.-

    I also studied how C.C. reacted in her last statement, “Na, Lelouch?” in the ending. She somehow bent her head lower, and made her pitch higher so she could be heard (if she was talking to Lelouch’s spirit, she could have just mumbled it.) On her action, I do believe that the driver was Lelouch himself, with his face hidden as his initial act on his new life as an immortal. If he didn’t know that he was already ‘one of the entities that can’t die’, he might feel a newbie so he hides his face. Of course, the memory of the Maou’s face still lingers and he HAD to conceal himself. C.C. could have given him advices. (And they ended up, ‘eloping’? o.o)

    And R2 is Lelouch himself, no doubt.

    C.C. could make another contract to anyone to still grant her wish, or something like that. I wonder if Lelouch will do the same. (He might Geass anyone to make Suzaku suffer more; and I’m just joking. He loves peace, I know. And he’ll live to make sure that the world he crushed and re-created for Nunnally would stay as peaceful as the season ended. (I do sound like a Sunrise writer right now.)

    Sunrise just let us, viewers, decide what our perceptions will be. And I’m much satisfied with mine.

    Lulu haters, no banzai for you for a while.

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  844. @Kay ok so
    1. You don’t get a code for killing an immortal you can’t kill an immortal. C.C. had immortality transferred to her by the nun once her geass was strong enough and in Lelouch’s case that never happened the person transferring the power has to be aware of it and the majesty has no reason to and no it doesn’t transfer by just touching people that wouldn’t make any sense since Charles and V.V. were together for an eternity and Charles didn’t become immortal until recently
    2. She was probably just talking aloud alright she’s an immortal which makes her a lonely individuals loners and only child tend to talk out loud
    3.She’s kinda looking at the sky mate
    4. You know if half the stuff in text in R2 is in english I don’t think the developers were lazy enough to not change the title to L2 if it was that I’m pretty sure the ending changed several times along the way. There’s a 100% chance that the story didn’t turn out as plans says the write/director
    5. Wha……I explained this earlier to it’s just a plot device used by people to clue the viewers in on what just happened. As in she realizes what Lelouch was actually doing.
    and you know how the image is REALLY SMALL I wonderr whyyyyyyyyyy
    and it’s been posted multiple times too honestly all you people saying Lelouch is not dead keep saying the same thing 😛

    But you know what if you want him alive he’s alive if you want him dead he’s dead I want him dead so Lelouch IS Dead.

    Hei
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  846. i say it was an epic ending. it fitted, closed the series well.
    i cried when lelouch died, i really did. he gave his life to make the world happy.
    Code Geass is probably one of the best animes ever. ever.

    Sarah
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  847. @ Hei – Haha…that’s true, you want him dead, to you he’s dead, I want him alive, to me, he’s alive.
    Until SUnrise actually outright tells us that he’s dead or alive, it’s all up to opinions. xD

    Kannie
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  848. Also, look at the title of the episode:

    Re;

    Re could stand for Rebirth, Renew, Reincarnated. This could either refer to the world after Lelouch, or refer to Lelouch discovering a new life as immortal, or both!

    Also, look at the semi colon, what does it do? It separates two entities in a sentence that are closely linked together. So while one subject ends, another subject continues along the same track, which is why a semi colon is used instead of a period. Once again, this could refer to the world, Lelouch, or both.

    But, in light of all the other, obvious clues that the director left to Lelouch being the driver, I think the title just reconfirmes something we already ‘know’.

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    Kenshen
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  851. Paper cranes = wishes (Japanese culture). (fold 1000 cranes, wish comes true, etc.)

    Pink paper crane in hay = Lelouch’s hope/wish that Euphemia/Nunally’s world comes true with his passing/non-intervention. It’s symbolic, like the rainbow-paper crane Nunally throws in the OP.

    Lelouch himself said “Wishes are like Geass”. When he is impaled, he “wishes” (asks) Suzaku takes his burden, Suzaku understands it is a WISH or REQUEST, that “he needs the help of others to achieve his goals” (quote: Lulu), so he acknowledges and accepts – no Geassing/zombification is involved.

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  852. i’ve already said that in great detail……….

    1st off, we are dealing with an anime company that never lets people die for long, take this whole series for example; almost every1 that we all thought had died, at least one time or another came back except for the princes and princesses!!
    Secondly, CC can’t be talking to LULU without him actually being alive! He doesn’t have the power that his mother did/does(she and charles are not died and i dont want to hear it) have! His mom didnt have a physical body(after her “death”). She was able to go to CC world!!! Although LULU’s secondary power is unknown(it seemed that he just got smarter or rather more ruthless not actually more powerful because of his new geass), we can make a pretty good guess that his power was completely different than his mother’s, if he did indeed obtain a new power and not just mastery of his old!
    In the third case, CC commented on that the power of the kings known as Geass makes people lonely, but in the case of Lelouch she doesn’t seem all that certain because of 1 of 2 things……he is not died, he has her and the love and admiration of everyone that knew and loved him as he was for being that true hero of the world (for all in the “know”) or that is died and that he is still loved and respected by others for everything that he has done!!!
    And last but not least…………the origami crane! Their maid( the super ninja) taught his sister nun, how to make them right! I;m sure LULU must have made them at least once with his sister and was also taught by Sayoko Shinozaki not for a second saying that CC doesn’t know how to make them but it was also alluded to this in the opening sequence in R2 with same origami crane! The crane spreading the rainbow across the world! In other words, LULU bringing all the world(colors {THE NAME of the FIRST OPENING SONG}) together!! Also this is alluded to again when they so the faces of his father,bother, and himself in the opening sequence!
    Sorry to say that i actually had absolutely no proof of LULU having CC’s code, but at the same time i cant go against it either since that was solve the problem of CC’s and solve the mystery that would be LULU death but………….. until i get some actual proof of that, i wont say!!!!!

    Sorandkairi
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  853. Hey, I think I do agree with Kay!!

    Right after Marianne’s, V.V.’s and Mao’s death, she never spoke to them in mumbles anymore. It is in fact a hint that she IS talking to a living person she’s with. And what is the name she mentioned?

    Lelouch.

    There’s no other Lelouch in the series, except to Lulu haters’ imaginations.

    I’ve been studying the series as well, and I stopped cursing when all the ideas of Lelouch is behind the R2 in this series completed the jigsaw puzzle.

    Remember, in an otaku’s life, you’re not just watching the anime just because you’re just plainly staring at the tv screen, enjoying the battle scenes and cursing the bad characters. Only kids can do that.

    This series is ranged for teens and above. You need to think and fully understand about you’re watching before you send rants.

    Well, I do understand the series, the rest will be leave in your hands, on what your perceptions tell you.

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  854. Overall interpretation:

    -Lulu and C.C. were taking a gamble on whether or not Lulu had the Code. Hence why C.C. was praying when Lulu was stabbed.
    -Did Suzaku know? Maybe, maybe not. I can be persuaded either way. Would he really agree to killing Lulu knowing that he might live and only go into exile? Is that really a fair trade in becoming Zero? Maybe. Killing your best friend is pretty rough. But didn’t Suzaku want to become the ultimate defender of justice to redeem himself for killing his father? I think so. So, it turned out to be a win-win situation for both of them. Exile and defender of justice. Nice.
    -Nunally. I called her opening her eyes. Anyhow, I think she did see Lulu’s memories. It would make her want to become a ruler again in order to continue Lulu’s dream for the future. If it were otherwise, why in the world would she want to take a position of power again after all the deaths? And of course she knew the new Zero was Suzaku. Lulu’s memories remember? Plus, why would she trust Zero otherwise?
    -C.C.x Lulu Duh. Lulu promised C.C. since the Charles incident that he’d make her happy. After that point, who honestly thought Kallen was an option?

    -C.C.x R.R. The wagon driver has to be Lulu. Why would he make a plan that he couldn’t get out of? Thus far he has been the self-preserving type, why change? Plus, it just makes so much sense for Lulu to have the Code. Double Geass. Killed father who had the code. Immortality with C.C. finishes his promise to make her happy. The name of the second season R2 = R.R. = Lelouch Lamperouge. Double lettered names are given to those with the Code. Yes. It has to be him. What the heck would C.C. mean otherwise? She’s not delusional.

    LOL at:
    -Jeremiah (Orange) working in an orange grove. With Anya who got her memories back from him.
    -Viletta’s pregancy and marriage wit Ougi.
    -Schneizel getting geassed.

    Great job Sunrise! All Hail Lelouch! (You know you enjoyed hearing the whole world say that)

    Layhas
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  857. This is almost the same as my theory………… it makes sense as a supplement. Together ours voice tell the truth…….

    hataketune

    Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. He’s now travelling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.
    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.
    Also, the screenie of the cart driver who is masking his features competely supports this.
    What further supports this is that Nunnally got Lelouch’s memories when she touched her, just like Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The only way this could have happened is his Code activating. This pretty much confirms that he has the Code and is alive.
    C.C.’s words in the end translated: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”
    So HE LIVES

    MINE

    1st off, we are dealing with an anime company that never lets people die for long, take this whole series for example; almost every1 that we all thought had died, at least one time or another came back except for the princes and princesses!!
    Secondly, CC can’t be talking to LULU without him actually being alive! He doesn’t have the power that his mother did/does(she and charles are not died and i dont want to hear it) have! His mom didnt have a physical body(after her “death”). She was able to go to CC world!!! Although LULU’s secondary power is unknown(it seemed that he just got smarter or rather more ruthless not actually more powerful because of his new geass), we can make a pretty good guess that his power was completely different than his mother’s, if he did indeed obtain a new power and not just mastery of his old!
    In the third case, CC commented on that the power of the kings known as Geass makes people lonely, but in the case of Lelouch she doesn’t seem all that certain because of 1 of 2 things……he is not died, he has her and the love and admiration of everyone that knew and loved him as he was for being that true hero of the world (for all in the “know”) or that is died and that he is still loved and respected by others for everything that he has done!!!
    And last but not least…………the origami crane! Their maid( the super ninja) taught his sister nun, how to make them right! I;m sure LULU must have made them at least once with his sister and was also taught by Sayoko Shinozaki not for a second saying that CC doesn’t know how to make them but it was also alluded to this in the opening sequence in R2 with same origami crane! The crane spreading the rainbow across the world! In other words, LULU bringing all the world(colors {THE NAME of the FIRST OPENING SONG}) together!! Also this is alluded to again when they so the faces of his father,bother, and himself in the opening sequence!
    Sorry to say that i actually had absolutely no proof of LULU having CC’s code, but at the same time i cant go against it either since that was solve the problem of CC’s and solve the mystery that would be LULU death but………….. until i get some actual proof of that, i wont say!!!!!

    Sorandkairi
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  863. I’m thinking it’ll be a special included only on the Blu Rays or something. It’ll turn out to be something like Jennifer and the internet will go “NANIIIII” and C.C. will come on screen with her devious sadistic smile in a mocking, “Haha, suckas!” kind of way.

    Kenshen
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  864. lelouch is alive there are so many hints

    first of all the is pink crane, no reason for CC to carry it around (there is a possibility she doesn’t know how to make it too) lelouch would keep it as memento of nunnaly

    to gain a code your geass must be fully developed, like in lelouch’s case (double geass eyes!) its foreshadowing that lelouch gained the code from his father (or C.C.?)

    Gawain
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  866. @Phantom – I don’t think they changed it yet, since there are supposed be otehrs that are dead but isn’t listed as dead, but I wish soooo much that they would change it and Lulu was still listed as alive! xD

    Kannie
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  868. Movie? What’s the use?
    If it’s just about C.C.’s name, well I think Sunrise will just focus on another Gundam universe right after 00.

    Season 3? Just to emphasize that Lelouch is R2? But I love to see a granny Kallen talking to her first love who remained his charms after 50 years.

    OVA? Hmmm…
    Maybe… Another DVD Magazine.
    It’s more amusing.

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  869. other points,

    there must be always 2 codes in existence, so if one is with C.C. the other would surely be Lelouch

    lelouch transfered memories to nunnaly so she can learn the truth after touching him, he can do this if he has a code

    orange seems pretty calm and okay with lelouch’s “death” he must have known beforehand

    C.C’s line at the end, she said about geass will make you lonely is not true, why? and she raised her head and voice when she said ‘ne, Lelouch?’ implying the cart driver is him

    Gawain
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  870. In the first season I thought Jeremiah was kind of a third rate character worthy of moments of comedy relief. When he got killed I was just like `whateva`. Then he came back and it was handled pretty badly especially with his then overpowered mech thing. But in the second half of R2, he slowly, but surely because one of my fav characters, he definitely has much MUCH more charisma than our good old Orange-Kun from season one that`s for sure.

    But yeah, I lol`d when I saw Jeremiah picking oranges and Anya`s expression is just like `WHATEVER`.

    Kenshen
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  871. If Lelouch had transferred some of his memories to Nunnally, he did had a code.
    Meaning he knew that he would end up being immortal.
    Like Kallen said,

    “Maybe you will laughed, saying ‘just as I planned”.. (when she was narrating at the near ending, she seemed talking to herself, assuming that it’s Lelouch)

    Go, internet!! Rage over R2’s mysteries!!!

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  873. I think lelouch’s soul entered the paper crane via geass and C.C. was talking to the crane…

    Jokes aside, I’m not saying the ending was bad but perhaps it would’ve been better if they clearly shown that lelouch was the cart driver. It would probably give a more closed yet open ending.

    Hex
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  875. There has got to be an award for the best anime ending ever. If there was, this would take the cake. Seriously no anime has ever hit me this hard emotionally, I have watched this episode three times today and every time I have almost cried near the ending when Nunnally is greiving over LeLouche. LeLouche even accomplished all of the goals he had planed earlier in the series. He created the symbol, Zero, gathered all the hatred on himself, revived Zero, and made Zero, the symbol of heroism, kill him ending all the hatred. All this time still doing it for Nunnally like he always has been. He’s got to be the best hero ever. He’s even got three hot girls after him. That’s got to be a bonus or something. He deserves to take a break and go on vacation…if he is indeed alive as hinted by CC’s last line.

    Windy
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  876. Hey now, anyone can fold a crane, but as I recall, Lelouch, Nunally, and Sayoko were the only three who did it all the time. Where did C.C. get that crane from eh?

    My vote’s with a living lelouch or his head in a bag. Now we just need to see C.C. in a boat sailing off into the sunset clutching that thing.

    Ekental
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  877. true that CC probably doesnt know how to fold the crane.
    im guessing that either lelouch taught her at one point OR that nunally might have given that to CC after lelouch “death” I think the Nunally knows lelouch is alive whether or not they decide to reveal it or not. soooooo
    LONG LIVE LELOUCH LAMPEROUGE!

    LL x CC

    z
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  879. wat happen to sayoko?? i didnt see her getting an happy ending, does she still serve nunnaly ??, if the the person driving the cart is lelouch maybe he and cc is heading jeramiah /orange’ farm to live together. if this case is true then it will happy ending

    furinyue
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  880. Well, since everyone else had repeated each other a few dozen times, here’s something new.

    I liked the choice of movement/actions for the death ending. The way Lelouch kind of embraced Suzaku (yaoi-bait for some, but I always get choked up when these physical gestures are added to enhance the emotional tone. It’s one thing to say you’re there for someone, but it’s another to hold them and cry with them when they’re hurt) and held his hand up to the Zero mask in an awkard-face-hug moment got me. Damn, that last friendship bit was nice. And I give huge props to Nunnally’s voice actress because her crying did me in. I couldn’t hold back my tears any longer.

    konkonsn
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  881. First off I enjoyed the series as a whole, it was weaker than the first season but it came together in the end. For example, one of my gripes is that the BK betrayal seemed a little too quick, they believed everything the Britannians told them right off the bat.

    Anyway on to the ending. I cannot say with certainty that Lelouch is still alive. Certainly, the creators definitely wanted to play a mind game at the end since they could have shot the CC part anyway they wanted and deliberately chose to include the mysterious cart driver and CC’s cryptic line at the end. On one hand, he could be dead and CC is referring to a person living in one’s memory. There is some evidence that he is alive, the memory transfer, the fact that he reached the level required for the code, and lastly his unfilled promise with CC to let her die with a smile. Perhaps he is alive and it is their fate to be an eternal pair. I don’t know. Frankly, they definitely left the gates open for a special dvd episode that clear up any remaining ambiguity. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing the series redone the way the director envisioned it, I am curious if the ending would remain the same. All in all it was an appropriate and keeping with the series.

    BTW, was Kallen wearing a piece of Lelouch’s bloody cloth around her neck at end?

    ashiguru
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  883. Gah, and I forgot the sword flick cleaning. That was also a nice touch. Code Geass has always impressed me with its fluidity and choice of actions, even if some of the dramatic hand movements are a bit like a certain potato chip scene.

    konkonsn
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  888. (Dont Read it too long XD)
    I wonder if this show teaches anyone about perspective(putting your self in another person’s shoes); instead of being mad at villain, you have to know why he becomes one. Such as there is no good or evil, unless driven mad(althought these people never made it far). In all the good story that I’ve read(good vs bad) almost everything is similar, but this show go far deeper unlike other story where you had to guess. Other than that, Great Ending.

    Two-Side
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  890. What an ending! Though I like most of the majority believes that Lelouch is alive, I however, hated the fact that everyone was happy at a cost of someone’s life. I mean I really wanted SUNRISE to show Lelouch living happily with C.C., although people may think that this ruins Lelouch’s purpose of death, well I dont think so. Since the world will think that he’s still dead, but we the audience are all happy and relieved that Lelouch is living with C.C., both are now immortals, which solves C.C. being lonely and also their promise together, and C.C.’s true wish for True Love.

    Also even though it was quite a sad death scene for Lelouch, I hated it when Cornelia just said “Lelouch the Demon has died” I mean WTF?! She understood Schneizel, but didn’t understand Lelouch at all, which is fine, but man she didn’t have to frikin yell it out like that. It frankly trampled the atmosphere, I mean if she only knew Lelouch’s intentions from the start. Also I have to give props for Kallen and maybe Kaguya realizing Lelouch’s intentions at that point, I started hating Kallen the last episode, but at least in the end, she finally realizes and accepts Lelouch.

    Man the amount of comments are insane! Omni, this is probably the only anime you’ve ever blogged that has almost 1,000, huh? and I’m pretty sure it will surpass that even.

    This just shows how many people had been influenced by the anime: Code Geass, and it’s amazing cool awesome awe-inspiring tear-jerking suave astonishing brandishing Bryonic hero – Lelouch Lamperouge, Lelouch Vi Britannia, Zero, and the Warlock.

    LULUFOREVER!
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  894. @Windy: VERY TRUE, LELOUCH NEEDS A BREAK! COME ON! I MEAN THE WHOLE WORLD IS LIVING PEACEFULLY AND HAPPILY, WHILE ONE MAN SUFFERED ALL HIS LIFETIME AND ALWAYS CARRIED SUCH A HUGE BURDEN, ONLY TO DIE LIKE THAT?! WITH THE WHOLE WORLD HATING HIM?!

    SO THE LEAST THEY COULD DO IS SHOW AN END WHERE THE GUY CAN FINALLY LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE THAT HE MORE THAN ENOUGH DESERVED!!! ALSO HE CAN BE WITH A WOMAN THAT HE HAS ALREADY BEEN INTIMATE WITH AND LIVE HAPPILY TOGETHER FOR ETERNITY!

    I CERTAINLY BELIEVE LELOUCH IS ALIVE! WHICH WAS WHY NUNNALLY COULD MOVE ON WITH A SMILE AND C.C. COULD TRAVEL LIKE THAT WITH A SMILE! THE LAST LINE PROVES IT ALL, SHE IS NOT ALONE, AND THAT GEASS UNLIKE ANY OF IT’S PAST USERS, LELOUCH ISN’T ALONE – HE’S WITH C.C.

    @LULUFOREVER: YA I KNOW, I HATED THE SCENE WHERE CORNELIA JUST RUINED THAT MOMENT WITH NUNNALLY! AND THE PEOPLE CHEERING FOR ZERO, WHILE UNBENKNOWNST TO THOSE FOOLS THAT THE REAL ZERO DIED AND WAS THE TRUE HERO!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    Lelouch FAN
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  898. *Sniff* That scene with Nunally crying over Leluche was a tear jerker.

    Amazing end to a series that has raised the bar in terms of quality and story. I’m going to have a Code Geass withdrawl for months. There’s no way Gundam 00 can feel the void left by Code Geass.

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

    Oh, and I also vote Lelouch is alive.

    TMFAN
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  899. Great series of epic proportions. This is one of the few animes that would move my heart so much, and I am quite a heartless person, so that’s saying a lot!

    @ hyperthreading, I am pretty sure that is not what they meant.

    In the end, it all comes down to what we want to believe in. It can really be interpreted in a few different ways. I think the open-ended ending was cleverly done. Remember, part of the series is making the audience think. If it was all direct, would it be “true” to the awesome-ness of the series?

    PS: I definitely love the Orange grove thing. So “pun-ny”.

    Rei
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  901. Lelouch Vi Britannia, orders you all, “TO BELIEVE THAT LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA WILL LIVE ON!…. as a horse wagon driver following orders from a witch-ojou-sama C.C. to wherever she wants to go” “Ignore that last part!”

    Lelouch_Vi_Britannia
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  909. I think this is the first time where I’ve been this passionate about an anime, but the story of Code Geass is truly amazing.

    You never know what’s going to happen, the show follows no rules, heeds no boundries. It’s Code Geass: tougher than the best, stronger than the rest.

    IN series one, Lelouch told Clovis: “I’ve come back, and I’ll change everything.”

    Fifty episodes later, Lelouch, Suzaku, Kallen, even C.C., have been through so much and finally became what they are now, united under a peaceful world at the expense of the prince who beared all the sins on his shoulders into his ‘grave’.

    Code Geass will live on in my hall of fame as one of the greatest experiences I’ve ever had.

    Bravo Directors and ANimators, Bravo.

    And, for one last time.

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH

    Kenshen
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  910. WHETHER OR NOT LELOUCH MAY OR MAY NOT BE ALIVE IN THE SERIES, HE WILL ALWAYS BE ALIVE IN HER HEARTS AND FOREVER BE REMEMBERED!

    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
    GLORY TO THE 99TH EMPEROR OF BRITANNIA!
    PRAISE LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA!
    BRAVO LELOUCH LAMPEROUGE!
    GOOD WORK ZERO!
    LULU FOREVER!

    lulu we will all miss you, you're the true hero!
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  912. Wow…now that is an ending that will be remembered for looong while. I especially loved Hitomi’s Continued Story played in the background…coupled with Nunnally’s tears and I couldn’t help but cry…really beautiful.

    While I’m not sure how much it really matters, I’d like to think Lulu’s alive and with C.C. After all, it would make what he said to C.C. back in season 1 so much more poignant: “You’re not alone. We are partners. If you are a witch, then I shall become a warlock.”

    muchan
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  913. @Mu-chan: When Lelouch said that, he wasn’t aware on how to be an immortal yet. He just said it to satisfy C.C.’s heart and make their relationship flourish (I read Sunrise writers’ minds)

    @Light Yagami: What you said made my day!!! xDD

    Zerozaku showcasing his famous Spinzaku?
    Hmmm… Won’t work even in my imagination xD

    Mikazuki Sakura
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  916. I thought sayoko would end up with orange-kun. I am a little disappointed. And I spent the entire season 1 praying for Suzaku to die…but in the end he got to become Zero…the most badass character ever? That is just wrong.

    myers
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  917. Gotta love the ending. Lelouch manages to convince the entire world that he was pure evil, focusing all their hatred on him, and then dying, taking all that hatred away with him.

    The ending doesn’t confirm or deny Lelouch’s death, it leaves it open for each viewer to interpret it as he or she wishes, which is an excellent way of showing how the Japanese and Anime produces in general think. Unline western media they don’t have black and white lines, but Grey zones, like the morality of the characters in this entire show.

    No one is really evil, it’s just a matter of perspective.

    Ashan
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  918. “And ultimately we’ll never know for sure if he’s alive or dead unless Sunrise makes another sequel with him in it – and I hope that they never do.”

    We’ll still get some picture dramas which may include hints. Also they could always do a movie or OVA. Code Geass was a commercial success – why not milk the cow a bit longer? Especialy when you look at the way R2 ended – with Lelouch possibly alive (which I personaly think, C.C. talks definitive to the cart driver in the last scene).

    mutio
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  922. What a strange ending. I think Sunrise just outdid themselves.

    Truth to be told, I wasn’t sure where the anime was going to end up as well. It feels kinda rushed and I’m somewhat disappointed. Still, at least there was some attempt to wrap things up as nicely as possible.

    Owaranai Destiny
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  923. I cried like a baby. Lulu… But hopefully, the cart driver is Lelouch. Who else would C.C. run off with? After all, this is a Sunrise mecha and we didn’t have a 100% dead body at the end.

    Hikari
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  926. This time, I can’t read all of the comments posted here. There were too many comments. Let’s all gather our strengths to reach at least 1000 posts so that we can show our appreciation for this really awesome anime. Hooray!

    Geno
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  927. AYA WHY DO I KEEP DOING THIS TO MYSELF?! WHY *SMACKS HEAD AGAINST WALL owwwww. . . okay . . . NOT doing that again . . . but still WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY?! *weep-cry-scream-rage-weep-SMACK*

    liathgirl
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  932. I think Lulu is death. Why?

    Lulu havent been immortal yet because to be immortal, he have to take C.C’s code ( will also cause her Life, which mean she will death) but he didnt want and wants C.C to live. Why im sure of this? Remember how Charles become immortal? V.V manages to reach the Twilight Door to the Thought Elevator in the Order’s complex only to have his code taken by Charles and leading to his death. Thats how Charles become immortal.

    Jigs
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  933. And now, the end is near,
    And so I face the final curtain.
    My friends, I’ll say it clear;
    I’ll state my case of which I’m certain.

    I’ve lived a life that’s full –
    I’ve travelled each and every highway.
    And more, much more than this,
    I did it my way.

    Regrets? I’ve had a few,
    But then again, too few to mention.
    I did what I had to do
    And saw it through without exemption.

    I planned each charted course –
    Each careful step along the byway,
    And more, much more than this,
    I did it my way.

    Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew,
    When I bit off more than I could chew,
    But through it all, when there was doubt,
    I ate it up and spit it out.
    I faced it all and I stood tall
    And did it my way.

    I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried,
    I’ve had my fill – my share of losing.
    But now, as tears subside,
    I find it all so amusing.

    To think I did all that,
    And may I say, not in a shy way –
    Oh no. Oh no, not me.
    I did it my way.

    For what is a man? What has he got?
    If not himself – Then he has naught.
    To say the things he truly feels
    And not the words of one who kneels.
    The record shows I took the blows
    And did it my way.

    Yes, it was my way.

    …………………..Thank you and good nite sweet prince.

    L.L.
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  938. A very nice ending indeed. I bawled like a baby when Lelouch died (or supposedly died) though I still have some questions remaining (like what happened to Cornelia and Lloyd and Sayoko…)

    Nyssa
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  939. as mentioned, very well executed ending, the music just added that little push to make it dramatic. I started to tear up when nunnally started to cry, which I thought was the most dramatic part. The part also when kallen realizes what they were trying to accomplish was also good. I enjoyed it very much and hope that they make an OVA explaining the small little details like about how the “system” to destroy the gods were made and C.C real name. And at the very end where C.C says “lelouch” she tilt’s her eyes back a little to the driver so I hope he’s alive.

    sakuramiyasan
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  940. Totally Epic Show!! The sad ending scene with the bg song was just sensational..

    and i think lulu is the drive.. when CC says “Right? Lelouch”, if you watch closely, u can see her eyeball move towards the front of the wagon!

    Mystic
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  943. Frankly, I very disappointed with the ending of code geass because Lelouch die. I felt that his death was unnecessary and wasteful. The only purpose was to make this anime into a tragedy. In fact, may I ask, are you encouraging suicide as a solution to the problems of the world or the washing away of sins?

    There are many arguments for Lelouch’s death. One of the main reasons is that he has to pay for his own sins. YOU DO NOT PAY FOR YOUR SINS BY DEATH. You pay for them by living and making amends, death is any easy way out. Further, there are many characters in the anime that never paid for their sins and has a happy end or stay alive. Nunnally Lamperouge, Schneizel el Britannia and Cornelia were responsible for the destruction of Pendragon and death of millions. Schneizel was the man who pursued the weapon of destruction and caused numerous deaths. Nina created the weapon. Cornelia was her father’s tool throughout season 1, subjecting and killing numerous people. The Black Knights betrayed their lord Zero and sold him out like a piece of meat without a fair trial. What is their punishment?

    Secondly, taking the role of the reviled figure and absorbing the hatred of humanity, so that humanity can move. That is bullshit. Humanity will also find new wars, new hates and new enemies. The death of Hitler did not give rise to peace. Instead communism and the cold war was the result. The destruction of the iron curtain and fall of Soviet Union created Islamic Fascism. Nature hates a vacuum. Instead, Lelouch could have stayed alive to keep the peace and benefit the whole of humanity with his genius. Nunnally, an inexperienced girl, Suzaku Kururugi, a man with more brawn than brains are now totally dependent on Schneizel, who is proven to be Lelouch’s inferior to maintain the ship. A total waste of Lelouch’s talent.

    Thirdly, the destruction of geass. You might as well ask for the destruction of Freya by killing Nina. All weapons are double-edged. Thy can be used for good or evil.

    X
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  944. My thoughts after the day and a good night’s sleep:

    Good points of the ep:
    Music
    Animation quality
    Jeremiah’s battle and conclusion
    Kallen/Suzaku’s final battle
    Arthur (I salute you epic cat one final time)
    Lelouch’s death scene (how it was animated/done, not how it fit the story)

    Bad points of the ep:
    Overuse of montages (same thing in episode 24)/overall rushed feeling(They should have gone though the op/ed like Macross did)

    Closing the story then adding on the Lelouch death scene (should have had him die in the final battle if you were going to do it)

    The whole Lelouch death in the grand scheme of the story: sorry, but the whole “dying for our sins thing” may appeal to christians/etc, but in anime terms, it never works. Remember, Treize bit it, another enemy sprung up in endless waltz. Celestial Being sacrificed themselves and created a new dictatorship, and so forth. I hate it when the main char is killed just to generate notice/attention/discussion. His death was completely unneccesary and leaving the vague ending so we can “think what we want” is a typical writer/creator copout to generate more discussion/attention and leave the door open to further cash-cow-milking (Witch Hunter Robin, any Gundam series). You want to kill him? Fine, kill him but make it clear he is dead or make it clear that he comes back to life. Heroic Age did this well while still retaining the importance of the hero’s death. This reminded me of the ending to the Matrix series and that is NOT a trilogy you want to be compared to. He could easily have come back to life and his sacrifice still stood as both he and Suzaku would still be “dead” as Lelouch would have to suffer eternal life/exile and Suzaku would be stuck as the thing he hated the most for his whole life.

    Last bad point: More dangling/open plot points than a season of 24, good lord.

    Oh, and lets get this thread to 1000 comments as I think then, only the finale of Bleach might one day surpass it.

    finalnight
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  945. I think we finally have closure…
    In general, I guess the ending wrapped things up pretty well. It wasn’t all that surprising that Lelouch died in the end. Deep down inside, I think all of us knew that it might happen and it did. I thought the ending kind of fit well with the ‘redemption’ theme which was prevalent throughout the series. Lelouch uses his ‘death’ to destroy the old world order and create a new world where Nunnally could live in peace. Suzaku wanted atonement for killing his father and gets his wish, killing off his identity as Suzaku and now living as Zero, the hero who saved the world.
    Well, I am a little disappointed that I didn’t get my Lelouch/Kallen ending I wanted. Of course the open ended final scene triggered a lot of debate as to whether he’s alive or not (In my personal opinion, I think he is. Why else would they end with a shot of the paper crane…) but in the end, it doesn’t really matter does it? Unless of course Sunrise decides to do a sequel…(shudder)
    If there should be a new Code Geass series, I would love to see it as a series of movies or OVAs using the plot Taniguchi originally envisaged before MBS(?) gave him the new timeslot à la Rebuild of Evanglion and the Eureka 7 movie.
    After sticking with this series through thick and thin, the highs and the lows, now that its over, I guess its time for me to move on…Bring it on Gundam 00!

    anime_freaksg
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  946. Agreeing with X it just seemed like whatever illness schniziel had that made him apathetic toward life and victory lelouch caught! it just seemed to grind to a halt like a non-energizer bunny! it genuinely bothers me that consistently animes like this end in such a weak manner. dying at the end almost completely nullifies everytihng youve done and especially nullifies the time i spent watching it! dont get me wrong its still the GREATEST ANIME OF ALL TIME by a significant margin but i wish they would have ended it on a less negative tune (providing lelocuh is dead!)

    @anime_freaksg i dont think it wraps things up becuase C.C. is still alive so hopefully there will be a movie!
    I agree we need gundam now so that i can get back into routine of doing NOTHING but cooing at robot battles and waiting for the gundam with the WingZero/Gundam doubleX- like cannon to blow things up in the most glorious way possible, safe in the notion that alll gundam stories a just regurgitations of the original with diferent seasonings! They went for ketchup this time!!!

    WingZero zxt
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  947. Whilst i would like a sequel or at least an OVA i think some prequels might work to show some of the back story behind Marianne and the Emperor. Also maybe where V.V. got his code from which leads me to wonder how his got his code.

    From his apparent age it seems unlikely that his Geass would of evolved to the stage of the Emperor or Mao as rolo having it for many years didn’t seem to evolve at all. Which leads me to wonder.

    Niloc
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  948. On a side note kallen vs Suzaku was awesome! Kallen had the best moves my favourite being at 6:10 when she bounces with her radiatino arm, spins round and kicks suzaku off the edge! Beautifully done! Guren is a better machine just as i said Silent Veil!

    WingZero zxt
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  951. Although i am really against that Lelouch is destined to die at the end, it is still a great story. The way he did to reach his goal is really despicable. Sometimes, I do think that “Is this the real Lelouch that the author wants to portray him as? Or I had misinterpreted this character? ” He was so wicked, but his main intention was good. That’s what I think it is so unfair to Lelouch! He’d done so much for the sake of the world, but in the end he becomes the figure that everybody spit at and raid their hatred at, and mostly, the truth can never be known, also the real identity of Zero. Poor Suzaku… I almost cried at the end of the story. Nunnally too, is pity but brave. Bravo! every thing in this series is so rushed! i think it can be made into a longer series and tell more about the details… like Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny… Anyway, it’s really a great series. All hail Geass!

    cagalli
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  952. I Reckon they shouldve used one of those face changer masks and swapped roles at then end because as far as suzaku is concerned he should have been dead anyway however thats 20-20 hindsight for u i suppose its hardly worth dwelling on to much…

    WingZero zxt
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  953. Can’t jump to conclusion. Everyone has their own perceptions. What i can say is Lelouch is still alive and is the wagon driver heheh (quite obvious). I have several points.

    1. of what i read and rewatch the person has to die in order to activate the code (emperor charles)
    2. CC did not get injured or anything not like V.V. (HEAVILY WOUNDED (anyone can die from the wound) in war but she did not die until charles ask her code from her) and the crazy nun who suicided (Cos she is sick of being immortal)
    3. Nunally can see the past of Lelouch when she touches his hands (but somehow only view certain past). ISnt it the same like when Lelouch touches CC hands and sees CC’s past?
    4. from some previous post the way CC and marianne contact is different and whenever CC have to talk with Lelouch he directly needs to be there.
    5. Whenever CC talks to (assuming its Lelouch) she smiles and try to play that episode again and listen closely what she says

    “The Power of Kings, called Geass, will make people LONELY. I supposed that wasnt quite true. Right Lelouch <— by the moment she said Right Lelouch she Glimpse upwards which was the diection of some may think the bird… but that is also the direction of the wagon driver??.

    Look Closely
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  954. Whether or not Lelouch is alive, I don’t know. I suspect not, just because he doesn’t seem like the kind of person who would want to be immortal.

    However, I seriously doubt Lelouch is the driver of the cart, because the driver has entirely too manly of a chin. Lelouch’s is pointy, but the driver’s is flat.

    Blue
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  956. The glimpse is what u call trying to get a response from someone or an approval or agree to what u said hehe.. try asking a question to a group of 5 ppl.. and ur best fren was there… after finish asking wont u glimpse at your best friend first to have a confirmation of what u said is right?

    However the wagon driver is covered up.. cant see his face.. another factor… and if Sunrise were to end the whole anime.. is by not showing that Lelouch is alive in the end.. that will sort of again make the whole death scene stupid and maybe Sunrise just want to put an end to it don’t want no more Season 3..

    Still this is my point of view… others may say he’s dead anywayz

    Look Closely
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  958. now I come to think of it, the cart driver maybe Lelouch, or else the geass on schneizel will not be working.(Isn’t it?) At first I thought that Lelouch is dead but if this is the case it will be very ironic. Some characters end up paying back for what they had done, why not the main character? So much lies he created but requires nothing for atonement? (though I really don’t want him to atone because it is really pitiful…silly thought , I guess? haha ^@^) how can he free himself from all the complex things and travel freely with C.C?

    cagalli
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  959. Then only one i feel sad about is Nunally. She learned all the true behin Lelouch’s actions only to see him die… Now she is all alone, she isn’t on Villeta’s wedding pic, she doesnt’ appear after Lelouch’s death… SO we really don’t know what happened to her

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  964. Look Closely: You may not be able to see the face, but you can see the driver’s chin. And it’s not Lelouch’s chin.

    F_chan: The link you show provides an interesting theory, but isn’t actually conclusive. And somewhat contradicts himself. He assumes that the Code doesn’t activate until the recipient dies, but Charles’ code, which he got from V.V., appears to have activated without Charles having to die first. And V.V. was still alive after he transferred the code (though rapidly dying).

    Finally, it’s possible that it’s Marriane’s code that lets her do the communication with C.C., but Charles doesn’t have any such ability and he managed to talk to Clovis back in Season 1.

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  967. cagalli:

    The geass’ don’t go away just because the person who used it died. Charles’ geass over Nunnally and Anya survived past his death, and if you think about it, there’s no proof that Nunnally managed to overcome Geass using her will. After all, Charles’ power is to manipulate memories, not issue commands. So the most he could have done was manipulate Nunnally’s memories to the point where she’s traumatized into not opening her eyes. So if anything, Nunnally only managed to overcome her trauma.

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  968. @ Blue
    Lelouch also shot Charles in episode 15 when they were in the world of C, which could have activated his Code. Charles also could’ve spoken to Clovis back in season 1 with the help of the Sword of Akasha/Ragnarok system.

    I personally think he’s alive, just ’cause I wanted a LuluxC.C. ending.

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  969. Not great, just good…I mean it was for the most part a good show, but after S1 did you think it was just gonna be alright-to-good-to-average in the end? ;/ Not enuff time for this to be a true finale or a true epilogue, so it winds up being good but with much to be desired….All hall Sunrise Vi Brittania, the king of rushing final episodes to the point they feel incomplete everytime…

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  970. can’t read all the comments.. but in my opinion the one that was driving the cart in the end was indeed lelouch because.

    1. His attire was very concealing. the driver was covered from head to toe, as if he was trying to hide himself.
    2. CC. talking about geass and how it brings solitude, but then concluding it was false.
    3. C.C. eye and head movements after calling lelouch name.. it directs to the driver!!!

    i-wana-go-to garden
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  973. @Marvin yes it does but sadly it didn’t have enough time for S1 questions.
    C.C.’s real name Kallen’s dad occupation. I almost wish the series was like death note and was 36 episodes long just so the director and write could have had their way
    Like I said earlier I’m waiting for a movie sunrise…

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  974. lolkhai:

    That’s right. I forgot that we hadn’t found out about Charles’ Code until after Lelouch told him to shoot himself. But then this raises the question about why would Charles transfer his Code to Lelouch at all? The proponent of that theory says that is the reason why he told Suzaku not to interfere, but was there any actual indication of a Code being transferred at that point? While I would like it if Lelouch lived, it feels like it cheapens his character and his resolve if he planned to survive his assassination. Also, he’d have to spend the rest of his life on the run, since he made his face known and hated world-wide, and he would no longer have the ability to command people to not recognize him.

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  975. I might be the only one to notice this but many of you have made the connection with lord Jeremiah who is working on an orange plantation and how it relates to his nickname given to him by zero (orange)..

    However, maybe some of you have noticed that in the first season around episode 6 Lord jeremiah is told that he will be dropped 3 ranks as for punishment for letting zero escape and is told that he has two choices: “you can ether start over as beginner pilot or go work on an orange plantation”

    Interesting that he follows the later advice, check it out for your self around the 7tj min mark

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  976. Code Geass R2 needs an OVA

    – 5 min OVA on last DVD
    – Code Geass R2 Final Plus

    Hey I reckon if there’s a movie. It could have a simular theme like the end and beginning of ’24’ Season 4 – 5 where Jack Bauer the main character give up everything by faking his death at the end of Season 4. But Some terrorist found out and started killing off Jack’s important friends who knew about him being alive. Did that to blame Jack on this thing, so Jack had to come out of hiding.

    So Lulu could do something like that.

    Or maybe the cart driving is Suzaku?

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  979. i had watch ten time this episode and i realize tat when cc is talking his her last word is pointed to the driver even her eye sight too, another thing is the driver is cover his whole body look too auspicious , well u look closely ,
    u will find out some hint:
    tell me whichever country yard driver wear an elegant clothing then cover up with a cloth around him , furthermore, wat with hat ,who will wear tat unless they go to field to plant grain . and for those who complain about chin .. so wat about it, if the person goes on diet his/her chin will change or do u heard this “plastic surgery ” is tat possible to u .
    finally the final word cc say :that the power of the kings known as Geass makes people lonely, is not truth , eh lelouch ,
    maybe follow by this scene which is cut by tat damn sunrise
    lelouch: yup , tat right
    all u noe this could happen ..
    damn u sunrise , y do U always like TO MAKE ppl fill full of curiosity and unanswer question
    I DEMAND A BETTER ENDING FOR LELOUCH RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW,
    then tell me wat is the point putting his name in the title while he is “dead” in the final episode. for the love of god sake , if the sunrive want lelouch to be dead then in the beginning , they should put this “Code Geass: The Rebellion” instead of this “Code Geass: Lelouch of The Rebellion” DONT U THINK !!!

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  981. Even if I didn’t like the previous episodes so much I have to say this one is really good. Overall raised my opinion about R2,which I had though lacked when compared to S1. It ended the way I expected it will, but I still love it, they way it was played…excellent.

    Too bad I won’t have anything to look up to every Sunday. I will miss Code Geass, that’s for sure.

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  983. furinyue:

    One: I’ll grant you that about the clothing, it’s a little unusual. But on the other hand, the guy isn’t in the fields right now, he could be taking his stuff to market.

    Two: People wear hats when outdoors. Not just when planting rice.

    Three: When people go on diets, their chins don’t get fatter. In fact, their chins don’t change at all. Because the chin is made of BONE. Possibly if Lelouch gorged himself on food, he’d have a layer of fat dangling from his chin, but that’s it.

    Four: You’re taking the literal interpretation of lonely. Geass isn’t some curse of loneliness. It makes people lonely, because it isolates them. They have a power they can tell very few people about, they will never be understood, etc. Take C.C.’s power for example. Her power made people love her, so how could she be considered lonely? Because she couldn’t trust whether people loved her for herself, or because the power made them say it. She wasn’t alone, but she might as well have been. Charles is the freaking emperor of a country, but he is alone because he is surrounded by sycophants who will only lie when around him, and may try to have him killed for their personal gain. In contrast to this, Lelouch may have had the power, but in the end, he is survived by people who loved him and/or understood him. Kallen, Nunnally, C.C., Toudou, and possibly every Black Knight who knew both his identities and his brilliance.

    Finally: The point of putting Lelouch’s name in the title is to indicate that he is the main character, which he was right up until the final episode. If they had killed him off half-way, then that would be silly. But he was there until the end. Get over it.

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  986. “hero cant dead to the last reel”

    theres probably gona be so much hatemail in taniguchis/sunrise mailbox that hes gonna have to make an ova and put in lulu and cc living together as imortals or somethin anyway lol.

    Im pretty depressed that they killed him off even with the “hints” that he didnt die, that pisses me off, if youre gonna kill a character sunrise, DONT:

    a)bring them back to life (nunally, cornelia, stevie wonder, ninja meido, marianne)

    b) make ambiguoius endings just becaus eyour writters dont have enough balls to make a decision on how it should end.

    DONT BE PUSSIES SUNRISE! either FINISH what you start (a.k.a killing the main at the end and NOT giving any hints that could be interpreted as “he could be alive”) or dont even go down that route.

    this is a adultchildrens show for gods sake, not some masterpiece wanna be literature. hell even THOSE guys sparsely used the open ended Im-too-much-of-a-pussy-to-write-a-real-ending cop out bullshit.

    The ending and the death scenes were great, the bullshit at the end was not.

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  987. anyone knows whats the reaction in Japan?
    is there going to be ANY conclusive answer on Lelouch’s status???
    i don’t want a ‘its up to the fan’s intepretation’ type of answer from Taniguchi 🙁

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  988. just wonder, does someone remember Lelouch telling somewhere in the whole C.C.’s real name? hell, i didn’t check the last posts… ^^
    that was one of the important thinks i wanted to know at the end, the end was quite predictable… but then again, didn’t think nunnally would look that awesome… xD

    good show, nice ending, even if it’s not the original one (heck why did they change plans…). even a good one worth rewatching.

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  992. @blue
    well i only half agree with u , but the are some point u need to take note,
    first the hat ; yup i now ppl where hat , but who wear hat that cover all side of the head (etc ears and behind hair) except the face. those kind of “hat” is those ppl use to wear when they do planting. if u are referring straw hat like sahkat hat then is a different story.

    second about the chin, well as u cay is form by the bone but do u noe in our medical field can change our bone has this method of “corrective or reform bone treatment” which the shape of the bone of some part of the body according to the user.

    third – geass, well i dont really have much thing to say but….
    one thing for sure at tat time cc talking is referring to the driver and so does her mimic face. well can to think of it, if she not referring to the drive tat means she is taking to air , then the driver will thought she is insane talking to herself. as u noe when cc do the “taking” with the spirit normally in a quite place where there is noone. tat happen in season 1 when cc in alone in the room, same goes to charles.

    lastly – about the title, as u post , it still doesnt go well with the name unless at the end of the story i see they standing at leouch grave and talk about him then i would agree with u but seeing this , lelouch “death” seeing to make us wonder whether is living or die, if u going to his name on the title , must well u make him “live” .this also can be some plot of “fake death:” follow by the adpation of zero no tsukaima (colbot)

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  993. I really do agree and wish the Sunrise will never make a sequel which would most probably spoil the series. And well, this season showed very little tactics and more on the story line, but the part which i loved the most was to see that Kallen’s anger towards Lelouch has ended. This series ended terrifically, LONG LIVE LELOUCH!!!!!!!!!

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  994. @stella
    xingke probably oredi “gone” since he doesnt have long life span to begin with .
    the only person who still dont have proper ending is:
    1)sayako – wat happen to her ??
    2)kanon – wat about this gay dude ??
    @blue
    if u apply
    3)leouch – izzit death or living ?? and doest he really got the got code and so call “follow” the title to get his name change to r2 . if not then wat is meaning of r2 ??

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  995. furinyue:

    one: Planting, or garden work, or really just anything outdoors, the point being to keep the sun off their face, and the insects from biting.

    two: And what doctor would Lelouch be paying to do corrective surgery on? If he has the Code, he no longer has the Geass, the whole freaking world hates him, and he has no money.

    three: Who cares if the driver thinks she’s insane? While yes, they used to talk only when alone, that was also when they were surrounded by people who would care very much if the person was insane. Assuming the driver isn’t Lelouch, then the driver wouldn’t give a damn so long as she doesn’t start talking about gutting the driver and wearing his skin.

    four: Why would Lelouch get a grave? If the world has any sort of say in it, they probably set his body on fire and scattered the ashes in a garbage dump. The closest they’re going to get to a grave is Kallen’s picture of Lelouch on her wall, which serves the same purpose really. (People go to graves to remember a loved one, talk to them. Which Kallen is doing.)

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  998. lelouch is now both Code Geass, immortal from emperor’s Code and still has geass power from C.C. coz different person

    now the title makes sense

    p.s i don’t take you can tell ANYTHING at all about the facial features of the cart driver from that shot, its meant by Sunrise to be drawn ambigious so leave it be at that

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  999. furinyue:

    What does R2 mean? Round 2, maybe. Makes more sense than R.R. Why? Because Lelouch’s name is spelled with an L. I am aware they sound the same in Japanese, but seeing as how the Official title is Code Geass R2: Lelouch of the Rebellion, the producers can clearly differentiate. In fact, they had some damn good English in Rolo’s files. If they had used L2, then yeah, I might buy it.

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  1001. nanari:

    It’s an interesting idea that Lelouch has both Code and Geass and that they coexist because they’re from different people, but that has little to back it up. If there were any indication that the person you receive it from makes a difference, like say Lelouch could use Geass on Charles(post-Code) but not C.C., or if he could use it on V.V., then the idea would make more sense.

    As it is, all that is known for certain is that having the Code makes you immune to Geass, immortal, and unable to use it.

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  1002. @Blue
    Actually the fact that having the code makes you unable to use it has never been verified. All who recieved the code cannot use it is because the ones who gave the code originally died, negating the effect of the geass. Also, in response to some of your other arguments, Lelouch probably has a lot of money and resources as he was the emperor or a while. He probably made a backup stash to use when this happened. Finally, don’t forget Schniezel is still under the effects of Lelouch’s geass in scenes after his supposed death.

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  1003. @blue
    insect bite ?? haha tat very funny , let me tell u something, insect wont but bite local ppl , because they had get use with the their scent ( u can start reading biology and chemistry more deeper) , so they will only attack new comer or unfamiliar ppl, if like u say then y cc wont dress like him . dont think girl like keep their complexion nicer , har ? block sun light? huh~~ tat one funny way if u put .

    second point, like every one say if the geass user receive code form his/her geass giver , then the user will lose the use of geass, but lelouch case , assuming he receive for his father tat is different story.btw the they oredi broadcast lelouch death , who will believe lelouch still living after been stab, they still can say they have an identical look tat all and want to change to prevent conflict.

    third, come on…. would talk to thin air infont of your parent. of course not , they think u are crazy , this common sense , if u really wan to do it , of course do it in the place where is nobody.

    4th – i say “unless” right tat doesnt mean had to be true , wat i say if they make like this it will go well the title . i think u misinterpret wat i say.
    finally if i offend u , then i am really sorry i say saying the truth but the thing is whether u wan to accept it or not depend on and i dont really wish to argue with u . this is the place where we share our ideas , theory and comment so dont let it get into ur head too much ^^

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  1005. @blue
    ic so r2 means round 2 , but izzit too early to make this statement , cause i had read kurogane blog and many blogger they had written it as lelouch “s code name follow buy it his name in japanense “rurusi” something .it will be good if the sunrise can clarify this and clear out our doubt .

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  1008. @servbot
    tat is gurren key which can be serve as lelouch memento , cause in season 1 zero give it to her . i think she wan to make as memory of him wit her becoming and “eye” to witness the future he create ^^ this also some adaption i took from shakugan no shana (alastor)

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  1010. Som1:

    There has been no proof of Geass disappearing just because the person who gave it to them died. Schniezel was under Lelouch’s geass? Anya and Nunnally were under Charles’ after his death too.

    Second, so what if Lelouch has money? Doctor either turns him in, or takes his money, THEN turns him in. He’s the freaking enemy of the world, no one’s going to shelter him.

    furinyue:
    Ok, I’ll bite then. WHY do people wear that kind of hat while farming, if not for the sun and insect bites? Because it’s the style? If you’ve ever spent anytime out doors, you would know that you’re going to get bitten by mosquitoes, no matter how many years you lived there. Why? Because you’re food to them.

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  1012. Furinyue:

    See, Sunrise makes it VERY clear that they spell Lelouch’s name with an L, because it’s RIGHT there in the logo. That’s not a logo created by fansubbers, or Bandai of America, that’s the same logo you see in Japan.

    Also, yes, sometimes I talk to myself out loud in front of other people. There are times when you just feel like vocalizing your thoughts. It’s like cursing, only less angry and more thoughtful.

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  1013. som1:

    Also, it kinda has been verified that having a Code means losing the power. Charles says as much when he says he “sacrificed his power to gain the code” or something like that. Unless he was lying, but at that point in the story, he was on one heck of a power trip so there’s really no reason for him to lie at that point.

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  1014. @Blue
    Actually there is proof. Nunnally was under Charles geass to not be able to open her eyes. After Charles death, Nunnally was able to open them.

    Second, what makes you so sure he wants to go to a doctor or so. He could be living in solititude with C.C. Also, in the worst case he could have geassed them earlier to do it for him.

    Finally, 1000 comments is epic

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  1015. @blue
    how i wish this will come peacefully , here before i come living in city, i live with my family in far form town. do noe wat my grand parent work as – a farmer , of course u will be bitten by mosquitoes, after awhile u will not be biten y ?? same go goes to human , if u everyday eat same dish will u get bored , of course u will it something different , same goes to mosquitoes too, dont ever think all blood taste the same . they have different nourishment, nutrient and certain desenty of chemical which measure by mol. tat make our blood different form the rest. well i wont denied the fact that we are “food” to mosquitoes.about the hat is use for farming then is ok , but is use for transport good tat too weird to cover out too much , juz wear a hat tat will do . anyway i dont really wan to argue with this anymore, if u still think u are right , then tat is right , as i say it all depend on u how view it. but i also hope u can consider my point of view. so no hard feeling ^^

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  1019. @Som1 – Nunnally only managed to counter Charles’ Geass because her will was strong enough to want to stop Lelouch. Just like how she managed to buy a few seconds trying to resist giving him the key to Damocles, because she really didn’t want to do that. Same thing happened with Euphemia, she managed to resist Lelouch’s order to kill all the japanese for a few seconds. Also, Charles Geassed the function of Nunnally’s legs away, how come she still can’t walk?

    By the way, did Jeremiah unGeass Anya? Did she get all her memories back? It seemed like he did so right after she said she didn’t have any memories.

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  1020. At first i was thinking that it was either going to continue on for another season or that it was going to end horribly, resolving nothing, and leaving me in a bad mood… totally wrong… I thought that it was a great ending and although not everything is completely resolved, I believe that the series ended spectacularly. Lelouch had turned himself into the worlds scapegoat in order to bring about an end to hate… and with his death, he succeeded. I felt a little sad as I usually do at the end of a great series but I think most of the sadness was due to such a strong end. I felt a little sorry for Lelouch as well… After shouldering the worlds burden, without any remorse, he sacrificed himself to bring about world peace. Knowing that his memory would be hated by all whom had not known about his plan.

    Great series, couple of parts i didnt agree with or like but altogether, this definitely ranks up with Eureka 7 and Evangelion – my favorites…

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  1021. @HakuroAkawashi
    as i recall charles only geass her to witness mariane death and make her blind tat all, about the leg i think vv done it .cause i recall vv holding a phone and say bring nunnaly here . theory only

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  1022. This was probably the best ending i’ve ever seen. When i was going to download the episode i got spoiled: a picture of lelouch.. DEAD! I could believe it. i really thought the end was going to be the worst thing ever! i’m so glad it ended like this!!
    When i thought how the “perfect ending” would be, i always thought about something like this.. Well, of course, except fot the part where lelouch “dies”!!

    About lelouch being alive/dead.. I really don’t know what to think. I wish he wasn’t dead.. but i guess we’ll never know so everyone can think whatever they want ^^ of course, for me, lelouch is still alive :p

    Another thing i loved about the episode was that kallen, nunnaly, etc they all knew it was lelouch’s idea. they all understood that zero/lelouch was really a hero and that this was what he wanted to do. he sacrifised himself for the world! 🙂

    I so happy that, after watching code geass for 1 year (no!! MORE!), it had the best ending ever! I don’t want think what would be like if code geass had a bad ending :/ When it ended i was happy because it ended like this but i was so sad at the same time because: code geass is over (no more episodes! NOOO!) and that lelouch may be dead :'(

    So, conclusion: ALL HAIL CODE GEASS!! \o/ (<p)

    Lelouch/zero, you are my hero :’) hehe

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  1024. som1:

    Remember that Charles’ geass is ONLY to manipulate memories, not give orders. So what Charles did was invent memories so awful they traumatized Nunnally into keeping her eyes closed. All Nunnally managed to do was overcome her induced-trauma (Which IS impressive by itself)

    I’m not saying he wants to go to the doctor, but if Lelouch were to get corrective surgery to his face or something like that he would have to. Unless you think either he or C.C. can operate on him.

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  1025. since the series has ended, but tat wont stop me form getting more, now i am currently reading code geass manga- Code Geass: Knightmare of Nunnally. it is good plot of story , juzt wish sunrise will make it as part of anime too, i wont recommend u all read it too.

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  1027. furinyue:

    Knightmare of Nunnally would have to be an entirely different anime series, because it’s too different. Bio-knightmares, Geass powers that are not restricted to mental effects, and a super-powered Lelouch who fights on the frontlines in his Zero suit and can take a kick from a knightmare full-on.

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  1028. @blue
    ^^ ya i noe but the story line is nice , u should read it too. the original code geass manga dont have knightframe element. the anime version is the combination of both manga, original code geass and knightmare of nunally

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  1030. furinyue:

    Technically, the anime is the original, and the manga and novels are the derivative works. For instance, from the few chapters I saw, if you combined Lelouch of the Rebellion and Suzaku of the Counterattack, you got something close to the anime. Knightmare of Nunnally and Tales of an Alternate Shogunate are completely different though.

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  1032. Wow, lots of people think Lelouch is the wagon driver, it’s possible, or C.C is just hitch hiking. Part of me wants the anime to continue. But then there would be people raging on the subject. This felt like a pretty complete ending to me, so i’m content if it stops here. Great ending, just so sad!!!!!!!!…..I gottta do this at least once…
    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!

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  1033. Lelouch is still alive.

    1) When Charles and Marianne were killed in C’s world, Suzaku stated that he must kill Lelouch and take revenge for Euphemia. Then they cut straight to where Lelouch became emperor. If an OVA comes out I would expect to see a continuation of this scene that shows Suzaku Slaying Lelouch only to find out that Lelouch was then immortal. Then that’s when the final plan of Zero Requiem came to be.

    The Code was questionably passed to Lelouch When Charles chokes Lelouch with his hand, where his code appears, the final disintegration of charles is without his hand…. which implies it stayed with Lelouch. The code activates after you die.

    This is an interesting point and may be true or maybe just an over analysis. In that scenario, both Lelouch and C.C. are then immortal. Interesting….

    Another possible scenario is that Suzaku did kill Lelouch in C’s world and as Lelouch was drawing his last breaths, C.C. gave him her code to save him. Her one driving force in serving Lelouch was that she couldn’t let him die so he can complete his promise to her. This could also be an over analysis on my part, but it does make some sense. In that case, C.C. became mortal and could have died in her fight with Kallen. That would also explain her desire to win that fight.

    2) C.C’s original wish when she was given the power of Geass was to be loved. Even though her power gave her that wish, it wasn’t true love and she eventually locked it away. Her wish then became to die, becuase she had become disgusted with life, but was immortal. The entire reason she made the bargain with Lelouch in the first place.

    Then she fell in love with Lelouch and started to long for a life with him and started caring for happiness and victory which was sort of stated during her final battle with Kallen. Lelouch was the first true love that she had ever felt. For her to display a sort of happiness at the end talking to Lelouch out loud stating that Geass doesn’t bring solitude after all clearly is a sign that he is still alive.

    This point stands out even more so that C.C. herself is alive and happy since the only reason she could be both happy and alive is with Lelouch. Otherwise she would either be dead as originally promised by Lelouch, or be completely depressed and distraught that Lelouch did not keep his original promise to her before he died. When I saw her crying at the church, I thought that was the case, but then the very end kills that theory. So Lelouch is still alive.

    If it was C.C. who gave Lelouch immortality, that would mean that she is mortal. Then there is absolutely no reason she should be alive, she could have just simply committed suicide. Unless she intends to live the rest of her life with Lelouch and have that love that she always wanted but never thought would exist for her.

    3) The point when Lelouch is dying, Nunnaly receives the images of what Lelouch planned. The only time that has happened is by C.C. who is immortal. This also supports that Lelouch is immortal as C.C. is or once was.

    4) When Suzaku drove his sword through Lelouch, did Lelouch give Suzaku the power of Geass. This also would suggest that Lelouch is immortal. Suzaku stated that he accepts this Geass. It could have been the curse of being Zero for life and the will to live bestowed by Lelouch’s Geass. Perhaps Suzaku himself now posses his own unique power.

    – Either way the writers did their jobs well. By knowingly sparking this debate, they have successfully done their jobs and left plenty of room for expansion on the story line. However, if Code Geass is left as is with no more story to tell, then the ending has also served it’s purpose in closing out the main goal that Lelouch set To accomplish: “TO CREATE A WORLD WHERE HIS SISTER NUNNALY COULD LIVE IN HAPPINESS AND HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY AT HER DISPOSAL.”

    She is now her own person with her own goals, ideals and ambitions to follow. His new world is for her and by extension to the all those who were living in fear, persecution and were denied the chance live to their fullest potential.

    But I sure hope the story continues, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
    1- Is Lelouch really alive? Is he Immortal?
    2- Is C.C. still immortal? Did she pass it on to Lelouch?
    3- Did Lelouch give Suzaku a real Geass Power? What Geass power is it?
    4- The possibilities in exploring the origins of Geass. Where did it come from?

    There can even be a season 3 in store for us.

    Jay
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  1034. @Hei (pg49)

    sorry for the late post. Yeah unfortunately we dont get those questions answered, especially the big one about CC’s real name. As for Kallen’s dad, I dont think that was much of an issue to actually be brought up and answered so that’s why it was ignored maybe? I dunno. Maybe we may get a movie or ova depending on dvd sales I suppose? i too am disappointed that the creator didn’t have his way of doing the show. I wonder how his plot of the series goes…

    Marvin
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  1036. Jay:

    Some points of criticism.

    1)C.C. herself is surprised at her desire to win the fight, but before it she reassures Lelouch that she’ll be fine because she is immortal. (She doesn’t say it, but it’s heavily implied). So in the event that Lelouch DOES have a Code, it’s Charles’.

    2)Like you said, C.C. was crying and praying in the Church. Naturally, if she had passed on her Code to Lelouch, she would know that he would be fine. And then would not be crying.

    So let’s address the reasons for C.C. wanting to die. It’s not just because she’s tired, but because like Charles, Marianne, and V.V., she’s been horribly disillusioned by people in general. It’s Lelouch’s actions and the people he left behind which give her a hope for the future. It’s also why she stopped cooperating with the original plan.

    3)This is the strongest point in favor of Lelouch being immortal, that Nunnally can see his past thoughts. However, it is slightly undermined in that only people from the royal family, and in particular, the children of Charles and Marianne. Who knows if being the children of two people with Geass powers affected them. (One has the ability to read/change memories, the other has the ability to reach/communicate/transfer into people’s hearts/minds). Also note that C.C. is caught by surprise when Lelouch saw into her past, which means that physical contact alone does not triggers the viewings, or she would at least not be shocked.

    4)This is your weakest argument. When Suzaku says “He’ll accept this Geass,” he’s speaking metaphorically, referring to when Lelouch compared the power of Geass to that of wishing. Suzaku is in essence saying “I have heard your wish, and I will carry it out as though it were an order.” If Lelouch were to actually give him the power of Geass, there would have been an animation of a contract being made, and Suzaku would not have been crying over stabbing Lelouch.

    Blue
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  1040. I didn’t realize this until now, but i think it was Lelouch that made the origami in the end next to C.C. Do you guys remember in the 1st season in the early episodes of Code Geass, when Nunally was making origami that Sayako taught her and she told Lelouch that if she made 1000 of those, then her wishes would come true. In this last episode of Code Geass R2, Lelouch asked Suzaku talked about Geass and wishes. I don’t know if it is just me or it might have some significance.

    Felix
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  1042. Lelouch is definitely alive. This series was one where you had to think 10 steps ahead in order to follow it so taking the ending at face value (lelouch died) would be wrong. Lelouch wouldn’t paint himself into a corner like that because time and time again he would surprise not only the other characters but the audience as well. If you look at it that way, he had a plan beyond zero requiem but he never told anyone about it except maybe C.C. I’m a Lelouch believer, are you?

    Tigerclaw
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  1046. I agree Tigerclaw. Lelouch is alive and well, though forced to live immortal with C.C. – what a horrible fate! 😉 Everything was planned.. and although I thought C.C. crying in the church was meant to truly show Lelouch would in fact die, the reality is she was crying because of what he had chosen to sacrifice – his name, his family, his friends, his prestige – to make the world a better place, his goal all along.

    For those of you that doubt whether C.C. was talking to the ethereal and not to the driver: if you watch the series when C.C. was by herself and talked at random to someone (who turned out to be Marianne), she never had to make any type of physical gestures to emphasize her words, as she did at the end when she speaks at greater volume and directs her comments to the “sky” (though it was really towards the driver). And her commentary is definitely directed at the idea that she, with the power of Geass normally being a very isolating and solitary curse, was in fact, not going to be alone for the rest of her eternity, because Lelouch had survived with her and he had been given immortality not unlike her.

    The R2 thing makes total sense. And no, the letter does NOT have to be representative of his name, so it wouldn’t matter at all whether it was R.R. or L.L. And if you think of how the Japanese enunciate their L’s it makes even more sense given that R2 are English letters used to represent what could phonetically be L.L.

    Finally, i’ll say this.. I like the second season better than the first. The matured character development, and the advancement of the story (although sometimes a bit vague) were bar none. In many ways, both superior to Evangelion and more real than Eureka 7. I’d love to see a 3rd season as the fan base exists for it, but it would have to be intricately and delicately handled… perhaps someone else gains access to Geass that was overlooked in the story? And Suzaku has to find Lelouch and ask for his help to overthrow a new threat to a global peace that only Suzaku and Lelouch combined can put a stop to?? There are possibilities, but like all sequels, they run the risk of ruining the core story and its characters.

    Nutshell = Code Geass was an incredible show. My hats off to a well thought out story, and to an ending that satisfied “Lelouch as emperor” fans, as well as “Lelouch as martyr” fans.

    venetianphoenix
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  1047. @Blue,

    I’d have to look for the articles again. The guy even said it was a “trainwreck” since it wasn’t going as he had planned because of the timeslot as well. When I find it, I will post it.

    Marvin
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  1049. This episode, just…. this episode.

    This is why I am really going to miss Code Geass- it is possibly the only series that makes me go haywire and keysmash and… gah.

    And am I the only one who probably prefers it if Lelouch is just, yknow, dead? Him being alive just destroys all the emotional impact of that scene with him and Nunnally.

    Probably not. But who wants to read through 53 pages of comments? 😉

    Laura
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  1050. @ Blue and Jay and everyone else for that matter

    Well you have both valid points to some extend. But I believe that we can’t conclude if Lelouch is either alive or death unless Sunrise says so. They had every intend to make the end this way. As it would result in an endless discussion, which means more exposure and more dvd sales.

    But still it’s an satisfying ending for those who like to believe he’s alive as well as for those who want to believe he’s dead. Because it’s both completely possible. I’d just like to add some thoughts on what I believe can be interpreted differenly depending on observations.

    1. Nunnally remembering what Lelouch did, might be an effect from the geass he put on her. Why I believe this. Well besides ordering her to give him the key, Lelouch appeared to close off a long conversation with Nunnaly, just after the fight Suzaku and Kallen. His words slightly imply that he just reveiled his true intentions while Nunnally was still being commanded by the geass. Well my guess is, that he didn’t want to be remembered as the brother who was a devil. Both had he reveiled his plan, she would have wanted to stop him. So he could have ordered her to remember his explanation the moment he is dying, which would explain the flashbacks. (a much easier explanation then going back a few episodes and completely plausible). However Sunrise also made it completely plausible that Lelouch took the emperor’s code. To me that’s great writing, as neither possibilities rule each other out.

    2. It’s not definite that one needs to die to activate his or her code. First, the emperor could have staged his dead by a shot, just to make it look more dramatic. Second, I’ll once again try to explain C.C.’s scar and the nurses wound. Almost everyone agrees that losing your code means losing your memories. So the nurse would no longer have the the desire to kill herself. Well C.C. saying grace at the same altar where the nun died implies she had some form of respect for her. Fact is the nurse wanted to die, but C.C. probably could bring herself to kill her. So I say the nun mortally wounded herself first and then wounded C.C., which meant C.C. didn’t have a choice if she wanted to live and took the nun’s code. This explains the scar of C.C. and the deadly one of the nun.

    So this might prove that it’s not possible to keep a geass when one receives a code. Which might implie that Lelouch never received a code and thus never gained immortality. Yet again this cannot be made certain without Sunrise putting it to rest with definite answers, the code might just as well kick in at dead. So to me this is brilliant writing yet again, as it makes two endings perfectly possible (in one Lelouch is alive in the other he isn’t).

    3. Then for the C.C. talking to Lelouch part. Some say she could only talk to Marianne because of Marianne’s geass, so she could not talk to the deceased and thus could only speak with Lelouch if he had gotten the code and was there in person. However the emperor was also able to talk to Clovis, which implies that he could actually talk to the deceased if he wanted to. So yet again it makes two endings where C.C. is happy perfectly possible. First, Lelouch got the code and is the actual driver of the hay cart. Second, Lelouch died and went to the world of C, which makes it possible for C.C. to possibly talk to him forever. But regardless of that, he made her realise her true wish, wanting to be loved by someone, even if she felt sad about the loss of Lelouch, eventually he made her feel alive again eventhough she thought it was impossible.

    4. If Lelouch didn’t think he’d die, why did he cast a serve Zero on Schneizel. Because if he faked his dead, he could have taken up his role as Zero and thus didn’t need to geass Schneizel, as Schneizel is clearly intended to assist Suzaku in his role as Zero (he has the brilliance Suzaku lacks). This is the only thing that makes me think of no other possibility than that Lelouch is dead. Yes you might argue that he wanted to go off in oblivion with C.C. because he can’t be seen by anyone anymore, as the world hates him, but then he could have included him getting the code in Nunnally’s vision as well. (so she knew he wasn’t going to die). Besides if Lelouch knew he’d live he could have told Nunnaly of his plans, yet he didn’t as he knew she would try stop him otherwise.

    But regardless of my forth point, the writers did a great job at making an ending that is up for debate and probably will never truly rule out either possibilities. And although some minor questions didn’t get answered, and some episodes weren’t as brilliant as whe had hoped for, I’m pretty satisfied with the overall story and the ending of the show.

    JordiBlau
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  1053. @Mandalay

    Though I think Lelouch is alive, that gif is a fake. They said it was from the less common and later MBS raw, not the common TBS raw, I found a copy of the MBS raw and its the same as the TBS raw.

    finalnight
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  1055. @Marvi: check top page 53, i think u meant those links/articles, right? ^^

    @Lancelot:
    the ending is fine, at most there would be another “picture drama” of code geass, i think, just my speculation. still wondering how the real name of C.C. is…

    Nightflame
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  1057. @ JordiBlau

    To your 1: There is one big factor that is being overlooked by a lot of people which explains why he couldn’t tell anyone what his real plan, disappearing forever but not dying, really was:

    In the world of C.C., Suzaku had intended to kill Lelouch to exact revenge for Euphemia and others. And the Zero Requiem was his way of letting Suzaku have his wish if it meant that Suzaku would work with him in order to stop Schneizel’s use of FLEIA and Damocles. So either way, Suzaku needed to believe that Lelouch was dead, and as such so did Nunnaly. His commentary in the conversation he had with in Damocles, where he acknowledged she was able to live on her own with her own principles, was his way of saying “I don’t need to take care of you anymore.” He finishes with “I can now walk my own path” which isn’t indicative of him dying.. it means that now he can leave her forever and happily because she will be fine without him in the world he intended to create.

    2. There didn’t have to be a scene where C.C. gave her code of immortality to Lelouch, as she had planned to do with Charles but didn’t. If in fact, C.C. planned this whole thing out with Lelouch, there were plenty of opportunities for her to pass on her code of immortality to Lelouch, and like all of the many times C.C. died, there would be plenty of time for Lelouch’s “dead” body to have been removed from the scene where he could resurrect without being seen. I don’t think the church scene with C.C. dealt so much with her past with the nun as it did with her coming to terms that she had willingly cast the curse of immortality, something she resented, on Lelouch, whose noble intentions clearly didn’t deserve a curse of immortality coupled with his need to remove himself from his sister, his friend, his power, etc. She was sorrowful because Lelouch had both taken a curse and had sacrificed all to be with immortal with her for all time.

    3. When Charles was talking to Clovis, it was from the Sword of Ahkasha, thus Clovis and Charles were talking while inside the consciousness of the world of C.C. and that was the only place they could communicate. Even Charles and Marianne could only talk while inside C.C’s world. Marianne could communicate with her uniquely because of her specific type of Geass, which implies that C.C. wouldn’t be able to talk to a dead Lelouch, but rather truly only a living Lelouch. Thus if Marianne’s bond with her was unqieu, and true conversations with the “dead” could only occur once you had crossed the threshold of C.C.’s world, she is in fact speaking to a living Lelouch. Again, her commentary specifically justifies that she is not alone at all, which she had learned till then had always been the true curse of Geass. She was commenting that they were ironically together – ironically cursed to be isolated together.

    4. Lelouch DID think he’d die – at least in the eyes of the rest of the world. Schneizel being geassed under the influence of Zero, meant that while Schneizel had no lust for power, that his ongoing efforts in ruling Brittania would always be influenced towards looking at the future, an influence that Lelouch could entrust Suzaku (as Zero) to uphold. Schneizel would not have followed Zero without having had Geass cast on him. Schneizel would also never follow Suzaku, having noted in earlier episodes that Suzaku had a bad habit of switching allegiances when it suited him.

    Also, keep in mind that even though he faked his death, that again, Suzaku had committed to killing Lelouch back when Lelouch killed Charles – something Lelouch would never do to Suzaku.. So if Zero was anyone OTHER than Suzaku, Suzaku would have scoured the earth to find and kill Zero, or Lelouch (because he’d know that Lelouch had retained his masked identity as the rebel leader). So Lelouch had to disappear for good. Suzaku and Nunnaly couldn’t know. Kallen couldn’t know. No one but C.C. could because she had given her code to Lelouch.

    All in all though, we agree on one major point. Good. F*cking. Show.

    venetianphoenix
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  1060. YAH THATS THE ENDING I LOVE … I RATHER SEEING AN JAPANESE ANIME BETTER THAN THE AMERICAN ONE BECAUSE IT HAS AN OPENED ENDING … BUT THE AMERICAN ONE MUST LET THE MAIN CHARACTER BE THE HERO WHO NEVER DIES .. !

    LELOUCH
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  1061. Tigerclaw:

    By saying you don’t believe Lelouch wouldn’t strategize himself into that corner, that’s assuming he doesn’t want to be in the corner. Remember, just a few episodes earlier, he was ready to die when he thought Nunnally was dead and the Black Knights had turned on him. He doesn’t care that much about his life, just his goals and other people close to him. And while he certainly could have survived the episode, like I said earlier, it somehow cheapens his resolve. He chose to become the focal point of the world’s hatred so that the world could have a hero and choose other methods other than war. In his own words, he was going to kill enough people that they would forget the name of Euphemia, the massacre princess. For this goal, he put his life on the line and ultimately sacrificed it. To say that he had a back-up plan where he tricks everyone and then goes off on his merry way makes him like…Schneizel. It makes light of his devotion to Zero Requiem. I would like it if Lelouch survived, but NOT because of any planning on his own. Otherwise, he’s no better than his father or brother.

    VenetianPhoenix:

    Nice argument, I won’t address all of it, because let’s be honest, whether or not Lelouch is alive is pure speculation.

    However, regarding what Lelouch thought to Nunnally, you could just as easily flip that around and say now he can die without any worries.

    Blue
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  1062. Well, regardless lelouch is alive or not, i believe overall this was one of the best animes i’ved ever seen, I personally put it on top with evangelion as one of my favorite anime ever! 😛 but well, is kind of sad that it’s over, I felt like the world just crashed on top of me…

    If they ever do a sequel (extremely unlikely… or not…) or an OVA I just hope they clear a few things about the background story, lol

    And that’s my opinion…, I’ve tried to read all the comments to get an overall picture of the general thinking, and I did so last night, but wow, today there’s even more comments, just epic!!! lol I guess ppl just really loved this show! There ain’t gona be something quite like this for a very long time, after all I’ve waited more than 10 years for something i could put on the same level as evangelion (maybe I just need to view more anime… :p lololol)…

    Imperator Romanus
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  1063. @B

    I dont think speculation is the proper word. As far as the story goes, it is a conjecure. The amount of evidence to show whether Lelouch is alive or dead is pretty much equal.
    I’m more on the alive side.

    It is not definite until Sunrise release an Ova or a sequel. Hopefully.

    No
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  1065. @Marvin page52
    Yeah I wish the writer would actually make a light novel of the series that actually goes the way he wanted it to go.
    @Blue
    If you look through the spoiler forum in animesuki which is now unfortunately closed now but you can still look through it. Official source on 2ch says the writer/director couldn’t have their way. Because of the new time slot they had to make the series as if they never saw the first season which explains the the parallel plots. Also the animators got lazy and got behind which is why there’s only 25 eps instead of 26
    He also intended to include many other thing C.C.’s name Kallen’s Dad , Cecile and Suzaku’s relationship apparently and many more that he was sadly unable to accomplish. I can’t help but think that Kallen’s dad could’ve actually played a bigger role in the series if he took part in it. But oh well. ITS OVER 9000!!!! divided y 9 😛

    Hei
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  1066. @Blue (Srry for double post)

    I dont think speculation is the proper word. As far as the story goes, it is a conjecture. The amount of evidence to show whether Lelouch is alive or dead is pretty much equal.
    I’m more on the alive side. I agreed that it is not quite satisfying if Lelouch realized I’ll live before hand. Is it possible that even himself did not know he had the code?

    It is not definite until Sunrise release an Ova or a sequel. Hopefully.

    No
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  1070. Awesome end…. period. But I do hope that Lulu is alive. Feel sorry for him, I mean, everyone is happy thanks to him (kinda). But he is left out (if he is alive).
    Feel I have to comment here, since this is a awesome number of comments.

    Levy
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  1071. I hope as well, that Lelouch is alive. I mean, hey, it just wouldn’t be as epic an ending if the main character, who did everything, for everybody in the world, just went *Poof* in a puff of smoke and died. =/ So, I’m a believer that Lelouch lived, and that all of this was in his plan.

    Lulu FTW
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  1074. Lelouch IS NOT DEAD, here is the explanation:

    1. He killed his father and he has his code, but it gets active when the user dies. Remember, in C.C.’s memories she says: “Please, get out of my body” reffering to the Geass when she dies for first time and realizes that she is inmortal. Well the Geass gets active in Lelouch when he dies.

    2. C.C. is talking with Lelouch… think again: She never talks again with Marianne when she dies completly or she never talks or see Mao when he dies, so… Lelouch is alive.

    3. In this final scene C.C says: “The power of Geass brings loneliness…thats not quite right is it, Lelouch?” So… if Lelouch is not alone anymore and is with C.C… he must to be the wagon driver, ne?, look how C.C. nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver =)

    4. R2 = R.R. in japanese the “L” letter is pronunced like a “R”, so If all is pronuntiation we have this:

    R.R. = L.L (In english) = Lelouch Lamperouge so… he is inmortal.

    Another exponation with the pronuntiation is C.C.’s name… it’s never have been revealed, but her name must to be Elizabeth, ¿why?

    C.C. = Sissy = Some people calls Sissy to woman called Elizabeth.

    Just a pronuntiation game.

    5. Lelouch traspassed his memories to Nunally before “die”… only a user with a powerful code can do it… we know that C.C. can do it, but not Lelouch, so… he is inmortal.

    You have to analyse every chapter and understand the Geass power to conclude this, but believe me, LELOUCH IS NOT DEAD!! =P”

    So there it is…I don’t know if the writers can pull out of their butts a meaningful season 3 but I’m still hoping they can. And if Lelouch is immortal now and travelling with C.C. ….DAMN he’s a lucky guy and Suzaku got the shaft!!! lol

    Taylor Paul
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  1075. Taylor, one problem with your logic. That time she was talking about, she had died many times before that. =/ Not just when she would have died when Lelouch touched her while she was touching the Lancelot.

    Lulu FTW
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  1076. Taylor Paul:

    1)If all you had to do was kill a person with a Code to get their Code, Cornelia would have had V.V., and the British secret police person would have had C.C.’s. The only way Lelouch has Charles’s code is IF Charles decides to give it to him.

    2)She never talked to Mao mentally when he was alive, either. All that her not talking to Marianne proves is that she’s not talking to Marianne. ALSO, Marianne and Charles were probably killed in a more permanent way than most people, because they were erased by the collective conscious of humanity.

    3)Yeah….that’s one way of interpreting “loneliness…”

    4)R2 is NOT L.L., unless you’re gambling on the Japanese sense of humor and puns. For this series, at least, Bandai has been VERY good and consistent with their English and have clearly demonstrated they know the difference between “L” and “R.”

    5)Yes, Lelouch passing on his memories to Nunnally is the best hint that he’s immortal now. It’s not conclusive, but it’s good.

    Finally, a third season would be ridiculous. And while it would be nice to be immortal and traveling with C.C., it’s not that great because he’s always going to be hiding his face. He will have to live with the fear of being discovered for the rest of eternity, or at least 100 years for the memory of his face and the fear/hatred he inspired in the world.

    But yes, Suzaku did get the shaft.

    Blue
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  1077. lol, I just rewatched the episode again, and even if Lulu died (and I didn’t want him to and is hoping hes not) he got a very satifying ending.
    Because in the end, those that are close to him beside Milly and Rivalz probably knew what he planned to do.
    Like Kallen, Suzaku, Nunally, CC, and mabe even Cornelia and Kaguya. I mean, if Kaguya is as intellectual as they portray her, I believe she and some other charcters would’ve figured it out. I mean those that knew Lulu was Zero. I mean, please….a random Zero coming from nowhere that wasn’t planned for would never have affcted his plans that much. Espeicially when he had orange kun and at worst reveal Suzaku was alive and even schenizel.
    So, in the end I believe most of those that he cared for knew what he had planned for and was even maybe sad that he had died. But then again, I cant be sure. xD

    Kannie
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  1078. yeah im pretty positive of the fact that lelouch is not dead.
    do people really have to GIVE their code over in order to receive the geass? cuz then i dont think charles would have inherited VV’s code cuz recall that C.C. was asking “charles, why did you decide to take V.V.’s code at this point in time?”–therefore charles TOOK vv’s code and VV didnt GIVE it to him. i think all you need to do to inherit a person’s code is killing them for GOOD.
    cornelia throwing a knife at VV didnt count as killing him, because only a high level geass-user has the ability to kill an immortal. charles had a powerful geass, thus he was able to kill VV and take his code. in addition, lelouch permanently erased charles and marianne’s existence with his evolved geass. thus lelouch should have naturally inherited charle’s code, making him immortal once he was “killed” by suzaku.

    and code or no code, honestly, the story wouldnt even make sense anymore of lulu died. because do you think the producers are really going to end the story with CC roaming the world for another few centuries all lonely again? cuz part of the story revolved around CC finding happiness after years of solitude right? i just dont think it makes sense for lelouch to die and leave her lonely, because that would ahve defeated the purpose of half the story.
    and also, lulu wouldnt just kill himself and leave CC on earth for eternity alone and sad. im prety sure he knew he’d become immortal so that he can fulfill his promise to CC. i mean if he just died…like i said nothing makes sense anymore.
    PLUS CC look completely happy at the end. she wouldnt ahve been if the only person who ever loved her truly died.

    Raine
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  1080. You’ve to seen the final episode at least five times to feel its beauty; because it was a beautiful way for SUNRISE to end something that everyone was given as a horrible final. Lelouch redeem himself for everything he did as Zero, as the Emperor of Britannia and finally, as himself. Suzaku too paid the life sentence as Zero, his punishment for what he did to claim justice trough the right way.

    I’m satisfied if Lelouch is dead or alive, because it ended the way it has to be…

    Syaoran Li
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  1081. well im pretty pissed bout this cuz it could easily have gotten 4 seasons total… R2 had a buncha shit crammed in it and alot of it seemed rushed… epic cliffhangers at the end of every episode (i hated and LOVED those at the same time) but theres no way thic could be continued… and i doubt that the actual ending will ever be revealed cuz the open ending is in itself somthing for us to ponder to create our own ending (which sux but makes it awesome) so sense theres no more of this i only have one thing to look forward to sense to love-ru ended in the same weekend (god this sucks balls) anyway Nightmare of Nunnally! wohoo! though the lack lulouch’s aweswome tactics might ruin that for me… what ev i just want more geass!

    butrape you blind
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  1082. It doesn’t matter whether Lelouch lived or died, because he finally accomplishes all the goals he set out in R1:

    1. He would destroy Britannia and recreate the world – check
    2. He would give Nunally a good future, in the care of Suzake (this was midway of R1) – check
    3. He had already foreseen that his path would mean he wouldn’t be around Nunally when he was done (this was in R1 as well, right before he found out that Suzaku was Lancelot’s pilot).

    So he finally finished what he started – though tragic, it was a fitting end to one of the best animes ever.

    Lelouch fan
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  1084. I think CC crying in the church is even more reason he is alive because Lelouch said himself that he wouldn’t allow her to die without a smile. If she was so upset over his death than there was no reason for her to be happy at the end, especially because I doubt she had some marvelous epiphany from the time she prayed and cried to the time they were on the wagon. If anything, the only thing that would make CC less upset would be for him to come back alive. If she was upset knowing he would sacrifice himself, she should have still been upset at the end as well for his actions coming to fruition. Instead, we see her smiling so I think it’s safe to say he is still alive providing her happiness.

    Cupcake
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  1085. One point of view seems to be that immortality is too good an ending for Lelouch, after all he did. But a point of view that I haven’t yet seen on any forums is that immortality isn’t really a blessing at all. It’s that immortality in a world of mortals is a curse. You would be able to live for all eternity, but that would also mean you would surpass the lifetimes of everyone you cared for. The world around you would change to a degree that you wouldn’t even be able to recognize it anymore, while you remain the same. As an immortal with a mortal’s soul, that would be unbearable. I imagine after about 1000 years you’d grow weary of it and wish for death. That’s probably part of the reason CC wanted to die. With Lelouch and CC both immortal in the end, it seems that they will both be able to brave eternity, because they have in each other something that will remain constant to hold on to, and make the pain bearable.

    I’m not being pessimistic, just thought I’d share my thoughts! 🙂

    Sentinel
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  1086. i hope they make a movie that’ll show lulu and someway in wen britania is in trouble lu;u will secretly come back to all and solve it showing himself only to nunnuly and suzaku!!! or something like that! :)awsome show!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Iwin
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  1087. Cupcake,

    I think Happiness is different from one another. For me, CC was happy because she felt cared (loved?) by lelouch . Also, while remembering all of his sacrifices, Lelouch’s plan (dream?)finally came to be true. Isn’t that something one would be happy for?

    Kabayongtao
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  1088. Raine at 8:26 pm on September 29th, 2008

    Rewatching episode 15, while it may be possible for someone to take the Code by force, it has nothing to do with killing the previous person for good. Lest we forget, V.V. was still ALIVE when Lelouch had Charles kill himself. Regarding what C.C. said however, I think she was questioning why Charles chose to take/receive V.V.’s Code at this point in time, when V.V. was fatally wounded and before he had a chance to heal/regenerate, which would mean his death if his Code was removed.

    Regarding whether only high-level Geass users have the ability to kill immortals, that’s total bull. V.V. was killed because his Code was removed. And Lelouch didn’t erase Charles or Marianne, he asked the collective conscious/world of C/sword of Akasha to take action against those who would prevent a future.

    Blue
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  1089. For all those arguments about C.C. being too happy at the end, just remember that it at least months later, and people have a tendency to move on, especially immortals. Immortals are used to people they care about dying. Heck, even Kallen’s pretty cheerful, she’s gone to school, and moved on with her life.

    Also, for those who claim that C.C. turned her head to speak to the driver, total lie. Her eyes start at about 75 degrees from the horizon, then shift ever so slightly upward to maybe 80 degrees, just like someone whose addressing someone in heaven. Not even close to looking at the driver.

    Finally, the driver has some facial hair. Like a mustache, or a really creased mouth. No joke. You can see some very faint lines where they would be. (I was viewing the gg-version)

    I’m not saying Lelouch is dead or alive. Just that some of the arguments are either just wrong or facetious.

    Blue
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  1090. @Blue
    “If all you had to do was kill a person with a Code to get their Code, Cornelia would have had V.V., and the British secret police person would have had C.C.’s. The only way Lelouch has Charles’s code is IF Charles decides to give it to him”
    -This is false. You need to be at a “strong” level of GEASS in order to obtain immortality as CC mention. So Cornelia and the soldier was never able to obtain the code. The moment Charles died was after Lelouch reached the last level of Geass.
    Moreover, CC casted away her Code because she didnt agreed with Charles before. (Speculation)

    2)”She never talked to Mao mentally when he was alive, either. All that her not talking to Marianne proves is that she’s not talking to Marianne. ALSO, Marianne and Charles were probably killed in a more permanent way than most people, because they were erased by the collective conscious of humanity.”
    -Her last statement with her tone and posture, it is definite that CC was talking with someone. Moreover, listen to her tone and volume when she said,”right, Lelouch” with her head toward the driver. She “raised” her voice. That means she wanted someone close by to hear her.
    And the name Lelouch pretty much refer to whom she tried to voice.

    4)The “R” in Japanese sounds like the “L” in English. That is why the name “Karren” in Japanses becomes “Kallen” when translated to English. (I believe)

    5)”Yes, Lelouch passing on his memories to Nunnally is the best hint that he’s immortal now. It’s not conclusive, but it’s good.”
    -Agreed. Since so far, only immortal seems to demonstrated this ability in this “series.”

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  1091. Would anyone know if similar anime like Code Geass, god it’s pretty good season even by the end. Of course there will always be fillers, but at least the storyline was amazing!

    What made the animiation such a awesome piece was its ending, it tied in with everything else. It’s not like the really really rushed endings like Ragnarok.

    blueg
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  1093. No:

    1) I’ll grant you that the only people seen to have inherited the code are people whose Geass manifested in their two eyes. Kinda surprised then that C.C. didn’t hand it off to Mao, but whatever.

    2)No, her posture didn’t change AT ALL. Rewatch the episode. The scene focuses entirely on her head. Any change in her posture is imagined. The only change is that her head tilts slightly upwards, but she’s not looking at the driver.

    3)Actually, the L and R sounds are being used as a pun of sorts for Karen’s name. Her Japanese name is spelled Kouzuki Karen, and her Brittanian name is Kallen Stadtfeld.

    Blue
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  1094. @Blue

    “For all those arguments about C.C. being too happy at the end, just remember that it at least months later, and people have a tendency to move on, especially immortals. Immortals are used to people they care about dying. Heck, even Kallen’s pretty cheerful, she’s gone to school, and moved on with her life.”
    -I think emotionally, C.C. pretty much suffer more than Kallen since Lelouch is the only someone she had in “centuries.”
    -Before she met Lelouch, her wish was pretty much to die since she had no desire to live. Even though it is a couple month later, how can she be “happy” again with such a bright smile when Lelouch just died. Isnt it more realistic if she becomes like her old self when since there is no more recent to live like before?
    -Moreover, her last statement pretty much says it is now quite right for someone with Geass to be alone.She most likely refered to Lelouch (I presume since she always stated this to him) Doesnt that give you an impression?

    “Also, for those who claim that C.C. turned her head to speak to the driver, total lie. Her eyes start at about 75 degrees from the horizon, then shift ever so slightly upward to maybe 80 degrees, just like someone whose addressing someone in heaven. Not even close to looking at the driver.”
    -I think it is ludicrous if C.C. turn 130 degrees to “actually” face the driver since she will eat the wheat that shee lies on.

    “Finally, the driver has some facial hair. Like a mustache, or a really creased mouth. No joke. You can see some very faint lines where they would be. (I was viewing the gg-version)”
    -That is not a mustach but a cloth he used to cover his mouth/chin. And it was refered by several people that the driver has black hair.

    No
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  1095. @Blue

    2)”No, her posture didn’t change AT ALL. Rewatch the episode. The scene focuses entirely on her head. Any change in her posture is imagined. The only change is that her head tilts slightly upwards, but she’s not looking at the driver.”
    -The posture refer to her head with she tiled it while raised her voice and asked”right, Lelouch.”
    -I dont know about you, but it is ludicrous to tilt more than she already is. You dont expect her to actually face the driver with her eyes do you? since she is not on 180 degree postion.

    3)”Actually, the L and R sounds are being used as a pun of sorts for Karen’s name. Her Japanese name is spelled Kouzuki Karen, and her Brittanian name is Kallen Stadtfeld.”
    -As far as I know, when Gino asked her to change her name, he asked will she take Stadtfeld or Kouzuki. Her name is consistant throughout the show.

    No
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  1096. No:

    C.C. can look that happy because it’s been at least several months later. EVERYONE is smiling happy.

    Regarding the “power of the kings makes people lonely,” no, it doesn’t give that impression. The power of kings makes people “lonely” because it isolates them. It has nothing to do with being with a person. They become unique people who are no longer normal. Normal people won’t understand them. For instance, C.C.’s power was to make people love her, and yet she was still lonely because she couldn’t tell if the people loved her because of her, or because of her power. Charles was lonely because he’s surrounded by people that kiss his butt or plot to kill him. In contrast to this, Lelouch had friends, comrades, people who understand him. In the end, despite all that happens, Lelouch had people who loved him and who he loved.

    And while 130 degrees would be ridiculous, if people want to claim that she was talking to the driver, her eyes should at least be focused PAST 90 degrees from the horizon.

    Finally, the driver is NOT wearing a mask. You can see the piece of CUD he’s chewing on.

    Blue
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  1098. As far as the R’s and L’s go, I think it’s interesting to note that whenever the Japanese borrow a word from English beginning with an L, in their roman spelling, they will interchange it with an R, which is still pronounced like an L. Take “lighter” for example. In Japanese Roman spelling, it’s spelled as “raitaa,” but pronounced “laitaa” beginning with an “L” sound. The “R” phonetic sound doesn’t exist in Japanese. (I know this because I’m taking a Japanese class.) I have some Japanese friends who keep on saying “lat” instead of “rat” Lol!

    Sentinel
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  1099. I really hope that they give a definite ending in one of the extras, I can deal with ambiguous endings, but when they deliberately give numerous hints that an event that happened didn’t really occur, that’s just annoying. Closure is a great thing.

    On a side note, is there any sort of record of comments on a single anime blog post? I feel like if there isn’t, this one could probably be recorded as being up there. I certainly can’t remember seeing this many comments on a post in my last seven years of reading anime blogs.

    pandakwee
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  1102. the japanese dont have L’s in their language, its an “r”

    they pronounce it ru as in a rolled r sound.

    a lot 95% of japanese people pronounce many words that have a L at the begining with an r sound…

    Being that I live in Japan, and talk to Japanese people everyday, I think that qualifies me more than blue…

    but then again if you dont wanna believe hes alive or dead or not, then just keep posting away. Im just laughing at how ignorant some people choose to be. . .

    “mosquito bites” oh lord. . .

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  1104. I was worried about the ending.I was wrong,the ending is great to me.The scene where Lelouch died was sad.

    The ending didn’t ruin the series for me,though for some strange reason I have a desire to see more.

    SonicSP
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  1105. @Japanese grammar:

    In terms of grammar and not as a matter of “who says what the most”, the L and R in the Japanese language are interchangeable. Just that most Japanese people use the R sound.

    Bulletcatcher
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  1111. Well, the series ended (I think) and the end still gives of a mystery.

    I can say that the Lelouch dying scene is what made me actually cry. The emotion was so driven I actually had tears welling up.

    My theory is Lelouch is alive though we will may never know unless they leave something for the DVD.

    Also…. they could have used a better ending theme.

    JGeass
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  1112. I also wanna say for those that dislike the ending. Seriously, Lelouch rid the world of hate and now there is peace and Leleouch is alive.

    Yet I see alot of bickering of how suckish the ending was just because lelouch died. Would it have been better to be hated and live?

    I havent seen any complaints like that on Death Note…. yet.

    JGeass
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  1113. @ firewolf
    I think he’s referring to the script writer of Code Geass

    @ alumox
    It’s “Ichiro” not “Ichigo” …anyway is it possible for you to tell us which episode of Manga no Genba was the comment made?

    anime_freaksg
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  1116. @Jigen

    Stated: “got a question!!!if lelouch is really dead how about the effect of geass in Scheneizel???will it be cancelled?? i thought that the effect of the geass would be cancelled after the geaass user is dead right?”

    No, Nunnaly had Geass cast on her by V.V. who died many episodes ago. The Geass remained in effect and Nunnaly broke that with will power to stop Lelouch. That means Schenizel will have the effect of Lelouch’e Geass even if Lelouch is dead. The only way to break it is by will power, but Scheneizel doesn’t care enough about anything to summon up that will power.

    Jay
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  1118. Lelouch is alive… He’s immortal…. End of argument about that.

    I thought this series was overall very up and down for me. It had great moments and at other times is just sucked and made no sense. The plot was epic and i felt like it could of been done better at times but i like how they wrapped it up and im content with it. Heres to hoping they dont release a s3 and completely ruin it.

    DL
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  1121. Anyone else suffering Geass withdrawal syndrome….I just feel like there’s nothing to do or watch anymore…
    …but meh now I’m just waiting for the CLANNAD After Story…maybe that’ll relieve me…

    Yangorang
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  1122. Man what I want is if not a sequel to the show, then maybe some kind of spin off, but still I prefer I sequel, like Lelouch and C.C.’s daughter starting to rebel against a new threat for war, carrying her own justice for her father who’s image is tainted and shunned and is pissed off in the world for starting a war again seeing as her father sacrificed everything for peace.

    Man I can just imagine a cool girl, black hair and yellow eyes, with the charisma and evil feel, and an amazing strategist inherited from Lelouch, immortal, a good pilot, and a powerful geass inherited from C.C. Then the usual declaring herself as the enemy of the world, and destroying it and creating it once again, this time to her own will.

    Well one can dream can he?

    Kira
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  1124. i wish the sunrise create another one more episode -26 to show lelouch is still living with cc in happy ever after and also show some plot how the of the character continue their life more detail . tat would be good episode dont u think ??. hope it just like season1 where they end on 23 but continue extend to 25.then they will not waste their effect to create season 3 and at the same time clear everyone doubt once for all.

    furinyue
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  1125. I think Lelouch is alive because in the end of Code Geass R2 episode 25 you see a pink origami bird in the end of the story. if you see again Code Geass R2 episode 6 you will see Lelouch with that pink origami bird while talking to cc. Cc don’t have that origami bird and the only person that will take a origami bird as memento, is Lelouch.

    Fun
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  1126. i also hope bandai create more geass mecha to collect. so far i have suzaku’s lancelot conquista and rolo’s vincent. only mising is gurren. hope they come out shinkirou, shen hu , tristan and modred. if possible lancelot ablion and gurren seitan

    furinyue
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  1127. I’m hoping for a Lulu x C.C. scene after the ending where Lulu calls C.C.’s name, as the last picture book…
    I’m suffering so much I have to find fanarts…
    I even want to draw some myself even though I haven’t drawn a proper picture in years!

    Yukiruchan
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  1128. I really feel like I’m in love with Code Geass.
    I love it so much, yet my heart hurts.
    And I can’t stop thinking about it.
    And I want it to live in my heart for the rest of my life.

    Oh God, I’m really becoming nutters.
    What am I going to do with my life?

    Yukiruchan
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  1129. I’m gonna say that no one knew that Lelouch might have obtained Charles’s code. Suzaku sure as hell wouldn’t know.

    After Lelouch was stabbed, his body may have healed and he may have been surprised to be alive. Maybe CC suspected something and visited his grave.

    As for Guilford being blind, maybe he’s wearing super dark shades to prevent himself from seeing Lelouch tugging his collar, which activates his Geass.

    I have an idea for a potential Lelouch comeback. Maybe Schneizel is able to use his will to break the Geass, ala Nunally. Or….. 😉

    Turbo
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  1130. From my understanding, R2 stands for “Round 2”. If we do see another Code Geass series, it would be based on the planned R2 version, since the current season was not as planned. If that becomes the case, then current R2 would be considered non-canon, like Macross II. However, the new version of R2 would not repeat the same events because it would not make any sense. So a lot of planning would have to take place. Given the shows popularity, the creators might get their chance to remake R2.

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  1131. There definitely will be a third season well most likely but I don’t think it will be in the world of 2018 I think it will be in CCs world after all the ending finishes with her gazing upon a castle.

    Lelouch does find out her name in the first season but we do not hear him say it, plus we find bits and pieces of her past in the other world, from this I believe that there most likely will be a third season based upon CCs world but I would like it to remain in the original

    zany
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  1132. I doubt there will be a third season unless its a remake. And even then its highly unlikely. Most of the loose ends have been tied up apart from the small details like C.C.’s true name. I’m personally inclined to think that Lelouch is dead simple because the story has much more impact that way. In the end it doesn’t matter at all. Lelouch achieved his goals and that is the central point. IMO there’s no point providing all these Geass and Code theories exaplining how Lelouch can still be alive. It’s pretty obvious that Sunrise doesn’t want to provide a definite answer and wants to leave it up to the viewer. If they had wanted Lelouch to be definitely alive, they could EASILY have tilted C.C.’s face towards the drive when she “talks” to Lelouch, as that would make everyone believe that Lelouch is alive. By pointing to the sky instead, its up to the audience and allows more development if OVAs, if Sunrise wishes to do so. It was a pretty good way to end everything, I didn’t like R2 much but the ending brings it up back to about 8/10 IMO.

    PYROtechnic
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  1134. If there was a third season then they would not have titled C.C’s face towards the cart driver that would give it away. They did want to leave it up to the audience for a number of resoans e.g. to keep us guessing will there be a third season, is Lelouch alive, how he lived and ultimatley keep us posting like we are now debating about it.

    J.K Rowling used it in the Harry Potter Books to keep us guessing and talking about it for the last book “Deathly Hallows”.

    And besides that small detail abut C.C’s name is not that small, if it was the last episode ever there would be a high chance of letting us know her name I mean they even tried to finish of (tell us)what the little relationship between the Earl pudding and that other women who had something to do with the Guren.

    Though the chances for a third may be a little less than I had first guessed, I think its just that part of me hoping for a third season, that I want a new season to code geass (its hard to find good anime to watch these days, if anyone got any suggestions then go ahead chances are Ive watched it)

    zany
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  1135. Actually after watching the ending scene again I don’t think there will be a second season they may have made the identity of the cart driver suspicious to keep us guessing… so yeah too bad 🙁

    zany
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  1136. All I’ll say is for an alternate R2 to happen, the writers would have make sure that it takes place immediately after Stage 25 in the first season. And a whole new alternate storyline would need to be written out thoughtfully as was done with the first season. This would be the biggest challenge to top Season one of Code Geass.

    Max
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  1137. They could easily pull off a prequel. About how Charles got his throne and how did VV became an immortal. How marianne became known as the Flash and why Knight 1 shouts her name as his last words! Plenty of back story :p

    Kallen’s parents, Suzaku’s parents etc

    e
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  1138. @e: yeah, some questions are still there, but surely not enough for a whole season, at most i guess 6 episodes. well, then again i guess, as i already told twice, but hell in +1000 comments i’m gonna say it again, there would be only another picture drama. there could be 3 pictures to satisfy most of the people her, like having zero and nunnally visiting the grave of lelouche, while some suspicious like person is way behind hidden, but still noticable… maybe a smiling pic of C.C. eating a pizza somewhere (who could be the one taking the photo? xD) and maybe another graduation pic… would be okey for me, but then again, i’m satisified with this ending already. =)

    i pretty much like the ending as it is. clear but open. anyways better than an “all-happy-ending”. >.<

    Nightflame
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  1139. I really wish they would continue Code Geass, put a season 3 or a new series of Code Geass. Not like Lelouch is alive, but more like a new person who received geass. :3 Something like that would be pretty interesting, lol.

    Jeskii
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  1140. Lelouch is alive and dead.. there!! no more pointless debates heheh.. as someone mention before it’s up to your own way of viewing things.. Unless Sunrise wanted to make another Episode showing whether he is alive or dead, none of us is correct… there…

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  1141. We can say everything bad or good about Code Geass, but if there are 57 pages of comments about it in a blog, it only proves the show was successful…

    Personally i’m sadly disapponted to learn a show with such deficencies could be so successful. Bad driven chars, plot holes and deuxes ex machina everywhere. Spinning of alliances and betrayal, zero coherence in the chars behaviour. The plot went on by shocking and fortuitous events. Premises are still unclear.

    With a show like this wou only wait the next episode to witness what the hell they can pull out of the hat. No logical evolution of the plot nor cause-effect relationship. The events simply happen…

    Personally, given they revived all the dead cast without any explanation, i’d think Lulù may simply be revived at will… if he did ever die to begin with…

    Solaris
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  1142. True. That’s all we can do unless they (Sunrise) do something about it, such as a Sound Episode after the story, or an OVA. I believe from the interview posted awhile back that there were plans for a movie or something. I only hope that wasn’t a mistranslation.

    Lulu FTW
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  1144. If there would be movie, it would be likely a real epilogue of what has happened.

    If Lelouch really died in the story, who could star the movie then?
    It wouldn’t be “Code Geass” anymore, since the person who should have both the “code” and “geass” is “dead”.

    C.C.’s real name?
    Sunrise will spend millions of yen for her real name?

    Lulu-chan
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  1145. I really think the ending fits into the series… it wraps up everyhting really well. It’s how it should be… although the quality of this show is generally up and down, I really really appreciate it. This is gonna be one of the most memorized animes!!!!
    Personally I really hope Lelouch won’t die… It’s unfair for CC! It’s unfair for him too… after everything he did, he deserves to live peacefully and happily ever after! How do you know that the writers say he’s not dead? Where can I get the link to the interview?
    Btw, for people who don’t like this show, please don’t mock it! The fact there are 1000 comments here are more than enough to prove this anime is not a shit. At least you have to appreciate it. This is not just about R2, but this is about all other animes too!

    KGFJ
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  1147. As much as I trolled in the past, I liked the ending, I still think 20-24 were fairly horrid, but I will say that some of what made them horrid was justified by 25, the little things like diethart being beaten up with no explanation, random pillar gun behind cornelia and such, will never be justified, but they did well to detour the train wreck.

    Midou
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  1148. @Solaris

    I felt a lot of the same, and still do, but what can you do? I was entertained even when it was awful, that reminds me of one of the deus ex machinas, Orange’s reverse geass, I thought it was awesome and provide some awesome twists, even after he joined lelouche and made it mostly a useless ability, the fact he only used it to return shirley’s memories, in what seemed like a completely random event, just to have it all lead up to her death (which I did thing was very well done and depressing), things like this can’t be ignored when you’re discussing what makes a good anime, was R2 bad? No, but it definatly went in the wrong direction after the first season, which still seems to be a different anime all together, but with the same characters.

    Midou
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  1149. Regardless of how people viewed this anime, it was very well liked and watched by devout people. 🙂 No matter what they say, they can’t despute the facts of % of people that watched it in Japan. Sure, the time slot was fucked up, but people still watched it. Although…I would like to know just what the creator wanted the R2 to really be like… 😀

    Lulu FTW
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  1150. their is no way that C.C. would just pack things up and go off with some random stranger while talking about geass and how it did not always lead to being alone. with out a doubt the driver would have to be lelouch.

    nice ending
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  1151. @Blue

    I viewed the image in 150% (although kinda blurry), but it definitely is not a chin or does he has a mustache. It is a clothe used to cover his chin/mouth.

    -If it is a chin, that is one LONG chin with a creepy mouth. Moreover, if it was a mouth, the position it totally put of place. Never have I seems a character like that in this anime.

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  1152. Now, I dont know how to start off my Sunday morning anymore. Waking up at 6 am on Sunday to Code Geass raw was my routine.
    The ending was fascinating regardless of the outcome of Lelouch. I must say it surpasses all the previous anime that I watched.

    (T T)
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  1154. I have to say it only makes sense that Lulu was the one driving the wagon CC was riding in at the end. When she was shot in the head in the 1st episode of season one Lulu thought she was dead but she came back to life, so Lulu getting stabbed through the chest and appearing dead for a time makes sense. He’d have to hide his identity for life and the only one he would be with would be CC.

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  1155. [quote]I viewed the image in 150% (although kinda blurry), but it definitely is not a chin or does he has a mustache. It is a clothe used to cover his chin/mouth.
    -If it is a chin, that is one LONG chin with a creepy mouth. Moreover, if it was a mouth, the position it totally put of place. Never have I seems a character like that in this anime.[/quote]

    He is chewing bubble gum and blowing a bubble.

    Rai
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  1159. paraphrasing an old movie 😛 (for those who don’t remember… star wars ep V, or ep III lol) : Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo , still can’t believe it’s over…

    are you guys still discussing if the driver is lelouch or not?? in my opinion, if they make such an close up of him, without revealing nothing (just see the side of his face) then I guess they are just implying something… but that’s been discussed for ages now… can’t anyone come up with a compelling evidence that lelouch is either dead or alive?? NO, because that’s the way it’s meant to be…

    be glad to have enjoyed such a great story, even if it had it’s ups and downs…, let’s just wait and see what happens, maybe sunrise has something in store for the future… (one never knows… lol :P)

    sorry if i’m just repeating the same old story… but well in think my opinion is valid, and can’t just let go of this anime, guess i’ve to rewatch again… and again… like Neon Eva, better get it started lolololol

    sya!! lolol

    Imperator Romanus
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  1160. about the chin thing , i think tat because the pic is so more small , they draw it a bit of of shape , if u look closely many assumption can ave , but if u juz look far as the normal saiz the chin is normal. i believe tat this must be some act drawing error, is sumthing drawing a straight line on the 70 degree which make it look like not a straight line. is about eye and how we see it

    furinyue
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  1163. @BLue

    I did view at it several times. It is not A NORMAL manly chin, the chin of the adults in this series is wide and short.
    How can it is a chin if there no curve at all? Just a straight line down from the side of the face.

    That is not his mouth. The line you mention as the mouth is mutated dislocate if it was one. Moreover, his skin is brown where as the place you refered to the mouth is white-ist.

    No
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  1164. No:

    Yes, and this chin is wide and short. Which side of the face are you talking about? Looking at the picture, if you follow the line of the right side of his face, you can see his cheek, watch the face curve inwards, and at the chin, it makes a right angle. Perfectly normal. But on a face like a Lelouch’s, it’d make an acute angle. (Crazy bishounen features)

    The skin is “brown” because it’s shaded by the hat.

    Blue
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  1165. @Blue

    (Note: I’m currently look at the picture Omni posted)

    I can see the face curved inward below. On the right of the cheek, the line went downward at a point.
    The area of which when the line (horizontal for there) goes downward is white-ish(the peach-ish color like the skin. Even without the straw-hat, the color of the skin still would be different.

    Assuming Lelouch were to wear a white cloth to cover his mouth/chin, it is perfectly normal for him to look like that. The cloth hide his “acute” angle chin.

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  1166. No:

    Cloths don’t bend naturally at right angles. And if the mask he used to wear under the Zero helmet is any indication, they conform to the shape of the chin.

    Also the chin isn’t white. It’s a light peach color. You can contrast it with the shirt collar.

    How do you explain the broken-line sticking out where the mouth is/should be? It makes sense if it’s not a mask, and that’s a piece of straw stuck in his mouth. And it’s certainly not the top of the “mask,” since the paler part of the skin goes up just a little bit higher than it.

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  1167. I hate ambiguous endings. I’d prefer that Lelouch be alive, but it would still be a good ending if he were dead. The problem is that the ending is ambiguous. It’s too much like when English majors say things like “you can find your own meaning in the story” or “you decide what happened for yourself.” Maybe it’s because I’m an engineer and thus think like one, but that sort of thing seems like total nonsense to me. In this case here, either Lelouch is alive or he’s dead. He can’t be both. No matter how much you might want for him to be alive, wishing it doesn’t make it so. If you want him dead, wishing it doesn’t make it so. I mean, I can’t decide that Kallen’s actually dead just because I want it that way. It’s the writers’ story, not mine.

    Lelouch is either dead or alive, but not both. Only one of those can be the correct answer. It’s possible that the writers didn’t decide which happened and left it ambiguous as such, but then it’s simply a case of “we don’t know” as opposed to him actually being alive or dead. Unless the creators of the show say that he’s alive or dead, we’ll never know. It’s just plain ambiguous and I think that we gain nothing by it being so. I find it just plain irritating.

    Good arguments have been given for how Lelouch could be alive and we did see him die, so there’s every possibility that he stayed that way. There’s just no way of knowing. It definitely seemed like everyone involved (Lelouch, Suzaku, and C.C. included) thought that he was dying for good and without that scene with C.C. at the end, we’d almost certainly all think that he was indeed dead, but that scene with C.C. raises all sorts of questions. I definitely think that they should have done that scene in a way that made it clear that Lelouch was alive or clear that he was dead.

    I can totally accept that C.C. is just wandering around the countryside and hitched a ride on a hay cart. I can totally accept that she’d be talking to Lelouch is the same way that Kallen was (as if he were there, but not really talking to him since he’s dead). I even agree that she didn’t really tilt her head toward the driver very far. But she did raise her voice when she said “Right, Lelouch?” (and tilted her head back at least slightly). And more importantly (in my mind at least), she seemed to be saying that as it turns out, Geass doesn’t always bring one solitude. And if Lelouch is actually dead, then that statement would seem to be false as Lelouch is dead and she’s alone again. So, they managed to take a clear death and through a big bucket of ambiguity on it. If he’s alive and driving that cart, then they should have shown him smile when she said it. And if he’s dead, they should have had her say something more clear that didn’t indicate that Lelouch could be alive.

    In any case, it’s been argued to death in this forum and elsewhere and we just don’t know. Lelouch could be alive, but he could also be dead. It’s totally ambiguous and I find that to be totally stupid. It was such a good ending otherwise. But they just had to go and make it ambiguous. Well, that’ll have people screaming for more if nothing else does, but that means that they really should give us more or it just seems rude. I’ll even take just a five minute OVA on the DVD or some other official explanation, but ambiguity? Yuck. It certainly doesn’t ruin such a great ending, but it makes it worse that it could have been.

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  1168. You need to let go Lelouch, if he’s dead or alive is up to each one of us. I really don’t mind if he’s live, because what he did in the end was the right think; Lelouch vi Britannia freed the world from its common enemy; bringing a new age were those who knew him better and those who had the power to change the world can move forward upon his sacrifice. Sadly, if Lelouch is really dead, C.C. never got the chance to see fulfill her true wish.

    It will be difficult to forgot this series, especially if you cherish it since the beginning.

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  1169. I have some questions for those who interpret that Lelouch truly died:
    How did he make C.C. smile?/Why did C.C. smile?
    Why did she say the last sentence? (“The power of kings brings solitude to the user, somehow that’s not quite true, right Lelouch?”)

    I’m not contradicting this interpretation, I just want to understand it more.

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  1170. I should probably say that in spite of the ambiguity of the ending (which I hate), the ending was otherwise brilliant. I think that what they did with this episode was a great a conclusion to a great series. Code Geass isn’t perfect (nothing ever is), but in my opinion, it’s one of the best shows that I’ve ever seen.

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  1171. Kalessin:

    I think the point of the ambiguous ending is because they’re not sure if they’ll continue it in the future. If they decide to, they could cook up some new, threat to world peace. Or maybe even many years down the line, war broke out again and some NEW kid wants to revolutionize the world and maybe Lelouch will give him the Geass.

    Regarding C.C.’s comment about loneliness, she wasn’t referring to herself when talking about being “alone.” In fact, she technically doesn’t even have Geass anymore, since she has the Code instead. It’s a commentary back to her original statment, when she made a contract with Lelouch. I’ve made at least two entries about my interpretation of their meaning of “lonely,” so I won’t bring it up a third time.

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  1174. @ Kalessin
    Remember, we still have the last picture drama to know the truth behind Lelouch’s “death”. If he’s really dead, I’ll be glad because his death won’t loss the meaning behind it. Thus, if he’s alive, maybe the World of C compensate him a little bit with the curse of immortality.

    Who knows… maybe we’ll have a Final Plus just like everyone hopes; a few more minutes at the end to clarify the truth.

    Syaoran Li
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  1175. Kalessin, that ambiguous ending you don’t like, indeed saved the show. It was brilliant enough to make people fantasize and think up on personal future interpretations. A way to keep the show alive in the mind of the audience. It also saved the little logic remaining: Leoluche is the master of lies. Why if it all was his last play on the stage before retirement? Leoluche anhealin death being a martyr for the sake of the justice? Yeah, in what dream? That doesn’t suit the character at all. A nice play to fool everybody may fit better, don’t you think so?

    Mavin, the worst about Code Geass is that it could have been much better than this, using the chars as their char was and using simple logic when planning the events.
    That geass cancelor was only one of many inconsistencies. What about C who got rid in the ocean just before the great final, thus making her char useless at the end? She could have benn turned into dust episodes before and nothing changed in the plot…
    What about Cornelia idling as an appearence for the whole second serie? There was really no clue in the scene scripts. It seemed they only avoided portraying what people talked about in the internet. Ah ppl expect Orejikun using Geas Cancel on Nunally, People want Kallen x Lulu end and Schneizel Dead. Ok let’s do it otherwise…
    Bah… no nice ending can make up for shitwriters…

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  1178. Kalessin, while I agree with your points in principle, and it is indeed vexing to not know the “truth”, I find that the ambiguous ending is much more suitable than a conclusive one, precisely because it sparks this debate and gives people a sense of hope that Lelouch indeed survived.

    After all, as you say, he’s either dead or alive, not both. But he’s a fictional character in a fictional world. Why should we care either way? Because of the strong emotional tie that the story has created, a sign that this show indeed did a good job. And furthermore, what we know is what they tell us; all the information has been presented (shown). Why should it matter if some writer/director decides to let him live or keep him dead? If someone wishes him alive, and the writer just kill him off, is that satisfactory? If someone thinks he should remain dead to preserve the impact of his death, but the writer allows him to live, is that satisfactory?

    Instead, we have an ending that lets everyone indeed choose what they want to believe. And since noone is sure, noone is wrong. It lets people preserve a sense of hope for the future, to indulge in whatever belief they want to hold. I think that is much more powerful than either a “happy” or “tragic” ending. The truth may set you free, but hope is what makes life worth living. So I wish that we never find out what this truth is.

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  1179. Captain Obvious here.
    On Pg. 7 ‘GP’ says that the black king’s demise was a symbol of Lelouch’s inevitable death. On the contrary, the black king symbolizes the Revolution, and the opposition to the White King of Britannia. However, now that Lelouch has successfully eliminated the need for the Black King of Revolution, he has effectively killed it.
    Also, Lelouch being the wagon driver is a distinct possibility, though it may just be false hope coming from the infatuated fans of Lelouch. BUT… it should be noted that when C.C says her final line, ‘Right, Lelouch?’, she looks upwards ever so slightly. the possibility is present that this is simply an aspect of the animation of speech, but if not, then she is probably looking towards the wagon driver as she says, ‘Lelouch’.
    Also, the coincidental fusion of Charles’ code and C.C’s geass making up the term, ‘Code Geass’ is just a little to perfect for true coincidence. And listen to how the Japanese term for C.C and V.V sound. Almost like C-two and V-two… so the point was raised about Lelouch calling himself R.R, which theoretically would be pronounded R-two. Hey, hey, hey folks, I’m seeing a similarity here. He has Code, he has Geass, and the possibility of the name R-two. Code Geass R2.
    I just fins it too inconceivable that such a driven and calculating man such as Lelouch would throw his life away so haphazardly. Especially since all signs point to Charles’ code being passed to Lelouch. I can’t remember a thorough explanation of what happened to Charles and Marianne at the Sword of Akasha, but Charles did manage to grab Lelouch with his ‘Code’ hand as he dissipated. As far as I am aware, the Codes cannot be destroyed, and so it is likely that it leaped to the nearest suitable host, none other that Lelouch. Lelouch himself was probably unaware of this fact, and was probably prepared to give his life, having completed his task. The Zero Requiem ‘did’ include Lelouch’s death, he simply wasn’t aware of his own immortality. This makes perfect sense to me, but if I’ve missed something, feel free to shoot Captain Obvious down, you know you want to.
    And somewhere back I remember someone mentioning how C.C was so upset at Lelouch’s death, but was suddenly all happy again in the final scene. Yeah, most people were fairly okay with the whole ‘We just killed the one who gave us life’ thing, but C.C was a tad more attached to the guy than most people. Yet she seems pretty chillin’ about him having been murdered in front of her. Huh. I think not. She probably wasn’t aware of Charles’ Code transfer to Lelouch, and actually though that he was dead, but after realizing that Lelouch was immortal, like her, she gets all happy-slap again. Makes more sense than “Oh, the most important man in the world to me is dead… well fuck. I best get hitchin’ with some old coot in a hay wagon ASAP”. It just doesn’t make the sense.
    That’s all from me, have a mull over ye olde theories.
    Captain Obvious out.

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  1182. The real genial plot twist was this uncertainty the final scene left us… As a matter of fact, we still have to consider the guy gone for good dead as ilogic and out of char Lulu’s sacrifice may have been

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  1183. @ Phantom Your comment on episode 5 made me take out the dvd and watch it. Damn you’re spot on, Nunnally is teaching C.C. Origami, and well how she has to fold those birds. But in the scene she never actually finished folding the pink one.

    While doing this C.C. was talking to Lelouch about his promise to her, but because Nunnally was there he interrupted her. First we thought the promise was that she wanted to be killed by him. Later we found out that she just wanted to be genuinely loved by someone. So the finished pink bird probably represents the fulfilling of his promise.

    Quite the observation. (also a nice touch is that in this episode Lelouch already saw the need to rule the entire world in the end, a lot of this episode can actually be related to the turn of events in episode 25 of R2)

    Well this still won’t solve the discussion if Lelouch is death or alive. But it definitely means that C.C. got her closure. That’s why she’s smiling. Kalessin points out that the sentence “as it turns out, Geass doesn’t always bring one solitude”, can only be true if Lelouch is still alive. Yet this isn’t completely true.

    The funny thing about this sentence is that it shows that she admits she was wrong, not that she was talking to Lelouch directly. She believed she was unable to care for anyone anymore due to her code, you have to take in account that she always felt lonely and geass only temporary solved that problem for her. From the moment she got her code, she started being lonely again, but now for all eternity. The thing is, she was already lonely before she even got geass. After she got the code, she became lonely again, because she lost the power to have people like her automatically, only now she sees it as a result of the Power of Kings: Geass.

    It was her own assumption that made her believe geass created solitude. In the ending she says, “Not quite accurate is it? Right, Lelouch?”

    This reflects on her being wrong and Lelouch making her feel cared for again. Which probably made her realise she was wrong this once, thus resulting in the sentence geass doesn’t always bring one solitude. It’s not just him being there in person for eternity that can make her happy. It’s also the realisation that Lelouch made her overcome her fear of being lonely forever (which was the cause for her true wish), as he has proven to her that she doesn’t need to be lonely because of the code, even if it’s just for a limited amount of time. She can always make new friends right, so it’s perfectly possible that she’s happy, even with Lelouch gone.

    Now as a reaction to episode 5, on the cart in episode 25 she confirms that lelouch granted her wish and fullfilled his promise. Either dead or alive, she realised that her true wish was fulfilled by Lelouch and she has finally come to terms with that answer in my eyes. Thus the completed pink bird as a symbol for her answer to unanswerred dialogue in episode 5. That’s in my opinion why it’s perfectly possible for her to be happy even if Lelouch is death.

    To cut a long story short, C.C. saying, “Right, LeLouch?”, can also be seen as a final sein of gratitude for all he has done for her. She does point her eyes to the sky. Either way the sentence doesn’t neccesarily mean Lelouch has to be alive for it to be correct.

    Hope it makes a bit of sense, but it’s to late already and I’m to tired to write it down more clear. But Kalessin, you’re right about the ambigous ending, but honestly I don’t mind, I like the fact that they left a bit off mystery at the end of the show. It fits Code Geass, a show that always surprised us just when we thought we knew how it was going to play out.

    To me it means that although he didn’t put an end to her life, he did in her eyes fullfill his promise and she’s at ease with that (Either dead or alive). Thus the finished pink bird, but you have to connect it to the dialogue about the promise.

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  1185. whilst code geass is the greatest anime of all time i do indeed agree that leaving it ‘ambiguous’ is a huge cop out on the makers part and signifies a failiure to commit to an ending! its like trying to sit on the fence! the end result that weve seen even from the posts and remarks here is that u create your own ‘side’ and it still never pleases everyone! that being said i became attached to the makers creation and being asked to fill in the gaps at the very end in the way i see fit feels totally deflating because no matter what you come up with its not really yours and so not really your right to change it! ultimately since i cant choose which ending i prefer (and ultimatley its not my right anyway!) i can do nothing but wait patiently for someone to sub the picture books or alternatively wait years! for them to arive in england in some cave of a shop somewhere after loking for em for 6 months!

    @Squirrel Asking the question, ‘why should we care either way’ (in context) is like declaring the entire watching or story experience invalid by saying caring about the ending is meaningless! if thats true then why did i start watching in the first place? obviously to hear a story start to finish!

    HOWEVER THAT BEING SAID!

    my opinion of the end was a tad dissapointed because whilst i agree that what lelouch did was by far the most heroic thing to do i would rather of him stayed alive since he he by far deserved it! I AM SICK of the messiah-like deaths almost as much as i am sick of the ‘cliche’ ‘hero wandering off into middle of nowhere’ endings . JUST ONCE could a story like this end with a decent after story where the hero overcomes eveerything, survives and is NOt so mentally and physically messed up from his ordeal that he can get on with life! for once i would like to see a hero get married have kids grow old and die in the space of 30 minutes!

    @Solaris
    I dont understand what you mean about the Geass Cancellor being an inconsistency, nor do i understand what you meant about C.C. uselessnes at the end of season 1. Nor cornelias uselessness during the time she was incarcerated
    And fair enough theres Obviously a logical way of doing things and a Logical way of people behaving but if between 50 and 60% of the bloggers and net fans were right it wiuld have been REALLY BORING and nothing short of an over hyped gundam rip-off but instead due to its inpredictabilty it became so much more than that! i would have hated to be able to glean the gist of what would happen next in the series without even the option of spoiler tags!!! However i dont have high hopes for gundam in that department because gundam 00 really is (dispite being really cool) an over hyped gundam rip-off (the gundam series is over hyped every year. that will never change!)

    It dissappoints me that so many people who didnt like the way the ending or aspects of the series played out confuse their boredom or frustration with quality control. since im not entirely sure of all of what solaris was saying i wont accuse him of that but saying that somthing was rubbish or cursing about it ob the basis of ULTIMATELY nothing other than the fact that you wished the story had turned out differently is hardly a fair comment.
    It also dissapoints me that in a show where the main character has a glowy eye that gives him the ability to order people around with absolute obedience people still take issue with one of the simpliest concepts in the show. I am ofcourse talking about schniziels pop out gun. Its JUST a mchine gun that comes out a wall! use your imagination its not like its impossible!!!!! i bet you if so desired the us army could make one forgoodness sake!

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  1186. Lol, that was covered in GG’s blog. :V It’s not magic, it’s a keyboard. 😛 Either way, yeah, you’re right. They cop’d out so horribly on this show. =( Fuck you Sunrise, why do you torture us so much?! T___________________________T

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  1187. I guess what we can do is wait for the last ep to come out and fine our answers. I like the ending pics. After reading everyone response I’ll ignore it for now and say Lelouch is alive! WOOT! now I’ll go to a corner and grieve. T_T

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  1188. I think it’s fairly obvious that Lelouch is dead; I hardly think it is ambiguous. Lelouch got stabbed, fell over, and then saw his whole life flash before his eyes. That’s a cinematic sign of death. If he were alive, the entire ending would lose all of it’s emotional impact. When C.C. says “Geass doesn’t always bring solitude”, I think she was referring to how Lelouch had C.C., Suzaku, and in the end, Nunally. C.C. was making what is called an apostrophe; a statement directed at somebody or something that cannot possibly hear or respond.

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  1189. I saw on wikipedia that there will be an episode 26 which will supposedly answer the questions that remain at the end of the series. Anyone know anything about this? Just wondering. Heres a link to ithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Code_Geass_episodes

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  1190. @WingZero zxt: “Why should we care either way? Because of the strong emotional tie that the story has created, a sign that this show indeed did a good job” <- answering my own semi-rhetorical question, not suggesting that we shouldn’t care about the characters.

    And I don’t necessarily watch CG or any other anime to be told a story. I watch for entertainment, but also so I can engaged to think about these kinds of issues. That’s why I consider anime as a medium is vastly superior to US “cartoons” where they really are just telling a story for little kids.

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  1193. god damnit hes dead

    we’re all forgetting:

    21:46 Terejime [51]: When you gain the code you lose your geass

    damnit! shes right think about it!, you cant use geass when you have the code 🙁 lulu could

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  1194. and plus:
    21:51 Terejime [51]: The geass lasts even after death
    21:52 Terejime [51]: Just like how Charles’ geass was still active on Anya until Jeremiah deactivated it

    🙁
    hes dead folks

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  1195. @Squirrel the way you make your point it seems as if your remarking that i watchi it for the same reason little kids watch cartoons? (although its possible you arent) hardly! i watch anime for the same reasons you do

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  1196. If you want a happy ending he’s alive.
    If you want a sad ending he’s dead.
    It’s pretty simple folks it’s just what you want until Sunrise announces either a movie with an alternate ending a ova or unless they decide to answer some questions in a interview.

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  1197. He got Charle’s Code, not C.C’s, which is why he did not lose his geass.
    I think it’s fairly obvious that he is still alive, there is too much evidence to suggest otherwise, I don’t know why so many doomsayers insist on claiming he is dead, is it to “troll” people who are fans of the anime or something? The mere fact that they hide the hay cart drivers face like that, the sentence that C.C. says out loud, (rather than ‘thinking’ like Kallen was) and then raises her voice at the end, and looks back towards the hay cart driver, I mean, come on, what more do you need? do you want him to throw off his sombrero and dance on top of the hay cart screaming I’M ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

    Seriously, he’s alive, get over it.

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  1198. @Torint remember when in Gundam Seed Mue died when he got hit with the freaking lohengrin exploded and we saw his helmet float in space (which was the closest id ever come to crying from anime till i saw the clannad movie after which i did cry!) he was back in Seed Destiny its that glimmer of hope no matter how feint or childish which cant be allowed in anime due to the ambiguity. granted there wasnt even one in Seed/Destiny which is part of what made it bad but the fact that there is mysteriousness added dare i say tacked on at the last minute here, is what people like kalessin and myself to a degree take issue with. some call it hope others call it torture!

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  1200. Paradox:

    Don’t make up stuff to support your argument. It undermines it.

    1) Saying that because he got the code from someone else he doesn’t lose his Geass ability is pure, unsupported speculation. You might as well just say “Lelouch is an asexual being with no reproductive organs. We know this because we never see his junk.”

    There was one idea floated a while back that actually explains it, and that would be that it is upon ACTIVATION of the Code that causes people to lose their Geass, and that the activation is triggered by the holder’s death. It would also explain what Charles appeared to be affected by Lelouch’s Geass and shot himself, and then afterward was no longer affected.

    2) C.C. does not look back at the driver. She tilts her head slightly upward, but neither her face nor her eyes are even vaguely in the driver’s direction

    I could go either way on Lelouch being alive or dead, but SERIOUSLY, if you look at a high-resolution picture of the driver, he’s got a mustache or face crease, and a chin/jaw WAY too normal for Lelouch. The only way he’s Lelouch is if the creators choose to ret-con him.

    WingZero:

    Oddly enough, you would think that the bloody broken helmet floating in space would have settled any argument. Of course, when they ret-conned the helmet out of existance for the SEED specials, that was to allow Muu to come back to live.

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  1201. AKMASM{OMFPOSMP{F WHY THE HELL DID LELOUCH DIE OMFG PIECE OF SHIT ENDING OMFG DUDE I hella loved code geass cuz of LELOUCH and… kallen but still wtf…omfg im hella pissed rite now and i hella broke to tears when lelouch died

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  1204. You know, with one of my friends were wondering how it will be watching this new season without Code Geass on the roster. Maybe Gundam 00 SS could live to the hopes some put on in since it’s the 30 anniversary of the GUNDAM franchise. I’ll remember this final episode for a long time, and Code Geass definitely will be one of my favorite series of all time.

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  1211. @Paradox:
    If its so obvious that Lelouch is definitely alive, Sunrise could have done a thousand things to confirm it, easiest of which is to tilt C.C.’s face just a tiny bit more and have her eyes look back!
    Its obviously supposed to be ambiguous. As someone mentioned earlier all the Geass/Code theories are pure speculation and cannot ever be confirmed as fact or not unless an OVA/3rd season is made. I hope not, otherwise I’d lose my respect for Geass’ ending completely.
    @Kalessin:
    No, not everyone dislikes ambiguous endings. I personally loved having an ending like that, as the viewer can decide the outcome. I really disliked the 2nd half of R2 but the ending as a whole INCLUDING the ambigous ending made it up for me.

    PYROtechnic
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  1213. Oh god!

    It has been a pretty good ride from S1 and even the up and downs of s2.. His death only shows that he was always totally in control, even to the future after his death.

    Lelouch has been one of the most awesome characters I have seen, It takes quite some balls to accept death (even when some say he is alive I pretty much doubt it).

    I believe CC will be with Lelouch on the world of C.. did Lelouch ever learned CC name?

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  1214. Here’s what I can piece together from this:

    Lelouch achieved code guess at the end (he’s not dead, mostly likely becoming RR, and immortal like CC.)

    Evidence:
    at the end, Nanally was able to see all of Lelouch’s memories just by touching him; a power that she never had originally and could not have gotten unless a person who achieved code guess gave it to her. If you remember from the very beginning … Lelouch, himself was given his power only after he touched CC.; which is exactly what happened just before Nanally saw the memories.

    CC. explained before, that the guess power for each person is different and worked differently, I think that Lelouch awoke her power, the ability to see other ppl’s memories or the the ability to see the truth.

    As for Lelouch being the driver of the cart … I personally believe it’s him (face covered and all), and the CC. was actually talking to him at the end. Probably why she’s so happy since she’s always wanted to experience true love, and had found that in Lelouch (now also immortal like her) … but there’s no evidence to support this last claim

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  1215. according to wikipedia

    The first season of the series premiered across Japan on MBS from October 5, 2006,[1] and concluded its run on July 28, 2007,[2] after running for 25 episodes. A second season and sequel to the series, Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2, premiered on MBS and TBS on April 6, 2008 and concluded on September 28, 2008.[3][4] A final ‘post-series’ episode entitled Lelouch of the Rebellion is scheduled to air on October 5, 2008, to answer questions remaining about the series that were not addressed in the series finale.

    so apparently there will be another ep to address the questions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_geass

    Niloc
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  1216. hey, I got info from wiki stating that there will be a final ‘post-series’ episode to fill the gaps in the show. Is this true? Also, the date of this episode is 5 october 2008, i.e. this sunday.

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  1218. All Hail Lelouch!!!!All Hail Lelouch!!!!All Hail Lelouch!!!!All Hail Lelouch!!!!
    Lelouch is the man he sacrifice himself so that the world can truly move toward peace!!poor suzaku his legacy was known only as a trecherous person, did the black knights truly understand what lelouch was trying to do at the end???and where is the chinese did XingKe died bcoz of his sickness?the one thing i dont like about the ending is that the black knights didnt know what lelouch is trying to do at the end and dint even credit it only karen…. and the cry of Nunnaly after Lelouch was sta btruly break my heart, bcoz of his brother would do anything just for her and its not fair for the entire world to see him as a true villain

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  1219. “A final ‘post-series’ episode entitled Lelouch of the Rebellion is scheduled to air on October 5, 2008, to answer questions remaining about the series that were not addressed in the series finale.”

    Seems a fake or a joke of someone. There is an official announcements about this extra episode?

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  1221. @Niloc
    Well, that’s curious. It would sure be interesting if true. Unfortunately, wikipedia doesn’t actually cite a source for it. I wonder if someone posted it there to mess with us or whether it’s actually legitimate. Wikipedia can be great, but it’s not always all that accurate.

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  1222. Well, with what poking around I’ve done, I’ve found nothing saying anything about this “post-series” episode next week other than wikipedia. It’s almost certainly someone pulling our chains. It would be a weird thing to do anyway as nice as it might be.

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  1223. Same here, since Wikipedia is edited by fans it wouldn’t be too surprising but good if they did have a nice “post-series” ep just to wrap everything up. Also does anyone else think they should of killed off a few more characters Ogi and Villeta for one just to please some fans praying for they’re deaths.

    I don’t know about the rest of you but i found those 2 useless nearing the end of the series i would of felt much happier knowing they were dead.

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  1224. Lol still debating he’s alive or dead… heh just find the contact of the writer or the producer or watever and send them an email asking for answer heheh… i bet one of the fans can get through and post his/her answers here.

    as i mentioned, in page 56 i guess… he’s alive according to some ppl and he’s dead according to some ppl.. if u believe in either way that’s fine. but seems like whenever a point said that he’s alive or dead surely gets backfired… yeah it’s true that the ending matters to everyone… as i’ve said before.. unless sunrise were to say he’s dead or alive.. no one is right… even though there’s concrete evidence (he’s alive) or solid theory (he’s dead).

    hope what wikipedia says is true having final episode to answer all question.. then tadaaaa one side is sure to lose hahaha… for me.. it does not matter whether he’s dead or alive even though i personally think he’s alive (i stick to concrete evidence). it was so nice and a good storyline that when i first watched episode one of season 1.. i actually watched it the whole night till morning and completed season 1.. 25 episodes one straight go… no skipping or anything except for the songs hehe.. (that time season 2 was episode 9 already)…it is sad to see him die… he is cool yet evil wahahah.. i like his laugh….. sooo…. to me he’s alive…

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  1227. The you know what the greatest thing is. Usually i wath anime after researching a bit about the storyline but this one i started watching… on a WHIM. I LOVE my WHIMS!! i thought ooh look Code Geass thats a cool but random name il watch! the show was already 8 episodes in so i watched the first eight episodes back-to-back and i was hooked. GLORIOUS!!! it would be cool if there was an ep 26

    WingZero zxt
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  1228. Code Geass for me was like one of those animes i would of never thought of seeing from some of the original pictures of it and everything it looked old and plain. It’s only when someone recommended it to me and i got the first 25 episodes at a lan party all at once was when i sat down and 9 hours later got up after finishing the series and the long wait before season 2. The only other anime i’ve been able to watch straight was FMA and FMA doen’t compare to Code Geass.

    My regrets are that they could of really stretched it out for another season or 2 focused a bit more on character development like a lot of other series. I liked the fact that it was fast paced unlike bleech or naruto with these 50 ep long filler seasons but i really though they needed to get slow it down a bit and give us some back stories to characters.

    Like Charles and Marriane just some incite into his past and how she became a knight back in the old days only a couple minutes would be necessary but it would be just interesting to see.

    Niloc
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  1229. An episode 26 would be probably be a disaster, because it would tick off one faction or the other. Those that want Lelouch to be alive, and those that want him to be dead.

    It’s funny, because both sides want him to be alive/dead because they like him. For those that want him alive, it’s fairly obvious (It’s like all the people who said Dumbledore was alive). But for those that want him dead, it’s because it showcases the depths of his resolve, how far he’s willing to go in order to achieve his dearest wish, as well as an acknowledgment that there has to be some consequences for the many, many lives that were lost in the course of his plans. Otherwise, he just becomes another Charles/Schneizel who is willing to sacrifice just about anything except themselves, which smacks too much of politicians and CEOs today.

    Probably the only way all sides could be happy would be if Lelouch fully intended to die, but to his and even C.C.’s surprise, Charles had transferred his Code to him perhaps meant as a curse, or perhaps his only gift to his favorite(?) son. As a result, Lelouch is alive, and he reconciles with the few select people who figured out his plan in the end, and they help him go into hiding/flee with C.C.

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  1230. I Have 3 hopes for where code geass will ultimately end up

    1. Social Prefference in my country (Brittania lol) will ease up enough so that obtaining anime DVD’s becomes easier

    2. Code Geass is popular enough in america for the makers of south park to mock it (an episode of southpark entitled somthing like ‘Cartman vs Lelouch the ultimate bitch fight’ would be to funny to miss (though this will probably never happen)

    3. Somewhere down the line they make a season three even if not set in the same set of years where lelouch makes an appaearence

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  1232. WingZero, let’s talk about consistency.
    But what’s consistency? It’s a situation that arises whenever the logical chain of cause and effect is broken! Even the absence of consequencies, given a vertain event.
    So, given that. Now, let’s se how could Cornelia, Oranje and C.c generate inconstincencies.

    Cornelia was the main enemy in the last season. Being defeated at the end of the serie (if i rem well), it’s role was pretty much done.
    Characters are like cards in a match. When you play cards the loser goes out of the play. Of course there must be some reason to keep a played card in the play after it finished its role. You’d find a new role for it.
    So Cornelia was brought back in the middle of the second season. Her new role should have been something related the Origin of the Geass sublot. That subplot was ended by Leoluce destroying the factory. Cornelia did nothing more than being held captive by V.v first, than from Zero, and being shot at the end by Schneizel. So she had no real meaning in the subplot and subsequent happenings. She was simply there, as an appearence. Thus the inconsistency in her role. Cornelia was bad played and useless in the second season. Her only role was pleasing the audience that demanded more of her.

    What about Orange? His role was changed deeply from one serie to another. Unlike Cornelia, he was successfully relocaded as Lulu’s servant with some plot twist in the middle of the serie. He made a mess just to ask some question to Leoluche and switched side for some reason. It was laughable, but that it was. The Geaas Cancelor was a nice element that could have been used mostly vs Lulù, Rolo, or even Charles but it was hardly used. It could have been used on Nunnally, and it was sure more logical than stupid Nunnally breaking geass with her only low wit. Jeremiah could have benn used as a good villain to fight against, far more than an useful enemy, being the geass user almost all by the side of Lulù. So another incoherent char, switching sides randomly and without logic. But the major inconsistency was him being alive despite being beaten to death for three or four time at least! Damn not even death is certain in Geass world! Talk about an inconsistency!!

    Finally C.c. In the Ragnarok episode Marianne and Charles disappear in the dust. No explain on the fate of Charle’s Geass. Ok given it’s lost, the Geass subplot should have ended there. Why didn’t C.c turn into dust as well? When you don’t play a card, you expect to play it later in a game. So there should be some more for her to do. But when? In the forelast episode she was thrown out of the story after she did nothing for half a serie! She even wasn’t present in the gran finale… what was she there for? Her only meaningful appearence is the last scene. I can’t believe such a char being wasted like that. So another bad used char, leaving by unresolved situations, like the “true desire” thing. We all understood it was love, but it was really never said in the show…

    Having characters that don’t play as they should, do all other than what’s natural for them to do, isn’t a bit.. inconstistent, incoherent and wasted after all?

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  1233. Well for one it was pretty obvious why C.C. didn’t disolve into dust, the gods/world of c or whatever you wanna call it only got rid of those that stood in the way of a tomorrow or future. Meaning Charles and Marianne, C.C. didn’t have the same desire anymore thus the world of C decided that she didn’t need to be absorbed.

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  1234. Who else loved that song at the end? Hitomi is just awesome. The other song I loved from her was Nunnally on the 2nd OST of R2 but I don’t remember when it played during the show.
    Just love me a Hitomi song…

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  1236. An episode 26 would be probably be a disaster, because it would tick off one faction or the other. Those that want Lelouch to be alive, and those that want him to be dead.

    It’s funny, because both sides want him to be alive/dead because they like him. For those that want him alive, it’s fairly obvious (It’s like all the people who said Dumbledore was alive. Obviously not because they DISliked him). But for those that want him dead, it’s because it showcases the depths of his resolve, how far he’s willing to go in order to achieve his dearest wish, as well as his acknowledgment that there has to be consequences for the many, many lives that were lost in the course of his plans. Otherwise, he just becomes another Charles/Schneizel who is willing to sacrifice anything except themselves, which smacks too much of the politicians and CEOs of today.

    Probably the only way all sides could be happy (or at least not pouting) would be if Lelouch fully intended to die, but to his and even C.C.’s surprise, Charles had transferred his Code to him perhaps meant as a curse, or perhaps his only gift to his favorite(?) son. As a result, Lelouch is alive, and he reconciles with the few select people who figured out his plan in the end, and they help him go into hiding/flee with C.C.

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  1237. I don’t know if this has been mentioned but many believe that Li-Xingke has died from his illness. After watching the episode over and over, looking for other hints of Lelouch’s survival, i notice the Shen Hu standing guard when Ougi is meeting with Nunally. It possible that he might have died after that was taken, since his face is never shown again after the attempted execution but it is highly unlikely that anyone else could pilot that. So its highly possible that Xingke died of his illness but manage to live long enough to see the world unified after the apparent death of Lelouch. I still believe that he lives, mostly on the fact that no image is shown of him later on, not even a gruesome shot of his body being desecrated like Mussolini since I am sure people hated him enough to do it. About this so called extra episode, i am not sure but its a dream worth hanging on to, even if its fake… ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  1241. @Ryvius

    I was looking for those songs, so I just gave a visit to your site. And well there they were, you have my thanks!

    On a side note, Besides these two songs she made some pretty awesome songs. I also really liked Masquerade, Strange girl and Stories from Hitomi. But I guess Stories and Continued Story are by far my favorites at the moment.

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  1242. @Solaris (Just incase my points been made already I’m gonna start by saying this is a direct response to Solaris and i haven’t read any further)

    Regarding Cornelia: Having her disappear completely without any real explanation would be pointless and therefore she took a backseat (using the cards analogy is way to simplistic to fit totally (like almost all analogies are even though i use em alot!)) It would have been worse if she disappeared should have been? this is just personal preference on your part for example i think Cornelia’s role as soon as she was defeated at the end of series one should have been wheelchair support with guildford after a reasonably pleasant wedding i.e nunallyesc but that doesn’t mean that should it not happen its an inconsistency it just depends on what level you wanna apply the definition (given)!

    Regarding Jeremiah: Unfortunately for some fans (perhaps the ones less obsessed than i was) A crucial bit of dialog was in a picture book which showed Jeremiahs true chivalry. since i watched it as soon as i could obtain it (ages before R2) everything was in order in that regard and so when they mentioned it again which for me was a Second! time i wasnt the least bit phased. Otherwise indeed it would seem a tad too controlled! instead though for me it felt like a stroke of original genius because with everything else going on they still had time to turn an unfortunate lesser entity like Jeremiah into a main secondary character! he went from being just that guy who was the first victim of the guren Mk II to being that guy who beat Anya in the greatest, no the GRANDEST way possible even with everything else going on they still had a failure to success story like that they could throw in the mix! topped off with, ” BOOYAA SAY MY NAME B**CH” at the end (i think that was a direct quote :P)

    regarding C.C. yeah her role as mysterious girl was underplayed/exagerated ill give you that. But by whom? thinking back i never really cared about C.C. as a character other then the fact that she had superpowers! as far as i was concerned until we knew more her reason for being was solely to teach lelouch what was going on and any desires and feelings she had on her part were irrelevant! Should they have been? probably not considering the way the series was made but at the end of the day we all have to (but even i struggled to remember from time to time) that the show was called Code Geass :LELOUCH OF THE REBELLION! whilst it wasn’t written that way (which may have thrown some people) the point we have to remember is despite the the fact that the series was THIS GOOD with the way oter characters were implemented compared to say Heroes where all the charcters seem to be desperately vying for screen time (though i ain’t seen the second season was to lazy and watching CG) or Startrek where the main character almost remarkably is the Ship or Station itself! (DON’T YOU DARE FORGET DEEP SPACE NINE SISCO ROCKS!) In code Geass the main character was in fact Lelouch so when other characters where shown at all, more often then not it was because somewhere down the line they would have an impact on His actions for example i didn’t (ever!) wanna see it but Nina masturbating clued us into the fact that
    A) she was a lesbian
    B)She was obsessed with Euphemia
    without this was there any reason for her to make fleja other then a Darth sidious type reason to hurt people and blow up planets?
    But more than this is that when other characters didn’t have much to do with lelouch they took a back seat until they were needed again and instead filled in the gaps between Suzaku and Kallen fighting and Lelouch doing that now ICONIC evil laugh i know we will all miss dearly [*sob*]

    As regards C.C. ‘true desire being love which we all knew but was never really understood in the show’ IT was ACTUALLY said in black and white in one episode! when Lelouch was trapped in C.C. weird realm watching her past he was told that she received geass from a nun which was to be loved because it was her greatest desire! that why lelouch comes out of there spouting, ‘ner ner ner i know what shes wants ner ner! in your FACE DAD’

    BACK to other point!) The fact that lelouch is the main character also means that C.C. wishes were compared to lelouch’s desires were ultimately irrelevant and mute and were made the slightest bit relevant ONLY by the fact that lelouch said they were to him! but more important then saving the world? i think not! (assuming hes dead)

    At the end of the day saying characters should do this and should do that is a tad silly albeit you did a good job explaining yourself but the point still stands complaining that things should have happened but didn’t about a TV program no matter how you justify it is a fruitless and tiresome exercise. you may make the point that there is a logical order of things but
    A) This is anime (get used to the random crazyness and the random not crazy but should have been a different kind of crazy and actually quite mellow and the that sooo crazy that…etc yo get my point!)
    B)Logical order in life brings peace. logical order in television brings a different kind of peace called BOREDOM!!!! I’ve said before and ill say again i would HATE to be able to get the gist of whats happening next in TV series from this blog without so much as the Option of spoiler tags!

    I hope I’ve been clear though i probably haven’t cos its 0:22 where i live (ALL HAIL BRITTANIA LOL never gets old to me) and im hyper/tired (meaning hungry after eating haribo)

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  1243. Well, the “post-series episode” bit in the wikipedia article has been removed with the comment “removed until someones confirms it,” so it’s not there to misinform anyone anymore.

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  1244. You know what, in the opening ..who if that brown haired girl that they hold up during the listing of Zero’s or the BK’s group that they just drop. I mean, I thought she would actually be a character in the show, but looking back on it ..I have no clue about any of those three girls.

    It has the feeling that maybe things went a different direction that orginally intended.

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  1247. If ever there will be a sequel to explain whether Lelouch is alive or not, I guess it will be as a picture story. If none, I guess that’s the mystique of the show: some mysteries remain mysteries. But CG is finished and I think it went rather well.

    I still can’t believe how Suzaku dodged bullets as Zero. He must be Superman or a super-ninja.

    Yes, I liked that 2nd to the last song… so that’s the Hitomi song? I thought it fit very well because it sounded Celtic, fitting a show where the chief nation is Britannia. It sounded very nice. 🙂

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  1250. Chino F

    I kind of would have loved an explanation for it. Don’t ask me why, but I believe that Suzaku might have been experimented on or something during the time he was alway from Lelouche and Nunnelly.

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  1252. Also, I know this is a double post, but already, someone has uploaded the OST for R2. It’s located somewhere back there, but if someone can find a link to buy it, please provide. 🙂

    Lulu FTW
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  1258. Silentveil: The three girls in the opening sequence are members of the Black Knights who work on board the bridge of the Ikaruga. They were only side characters, but appear in quite a few episodes. You really should pay more attention. ; )

    I found this final episode to be completely satisfying. I went into it expecting the worst, but they managed to pull off an ending that brings the series to a fitting close, while leaving some things to the imagination. It makes complete sense that Lelouch is alive to anyone paying attention. Nunnally touching his hand and seeing a vision of his memories and true intentions should be a clear indicator that he has a code of his own by the end of the series. Lelouch gives up his prior life to live with CC for eternity.

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  1259. That, and if you pay attention, why the hell would C.C be talking about Geass to a total stranger, aka the driver? :V So many signs point to him being alive. So many haters saying he isn’t. To all you, fuck you. 😀

    Lulu FTW
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  1260. Hasn’t anyone confirmed yet about the supposed ep 26?? i’ve read in page… whatever… something in wiki got removed… if anyone got some info please share!! thks!

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  1261. @Lulu FTW
    It’s quite conceivable that she wasn’t talking to the driver at all. She could have been talking to Lelouch as if he were there but he wasn’t (like how Kallen was talking to him, only C.C. was talking out loud instead of in her head). She could have been talking quietly enough that the driver didn’t hear her. After all, she was on the hay in the back, not next to the driver. The main reason to think that she was the driver is the suspicion that she was actually talking to Lelouch (as in, he was actually there to talk to). The driver was the only other person that we saw close by. It wasn’t clear whether the driver was close enough to hear her.

    It’s quite conceivable that Lelouch was driving and she was talking to him, but I also think that it’s totally conceivable that she was talking to Lelouch as if he were there and was talking quietly enough that the driver didn’t hear her. I certainly don’t think that she was talking to the driver if he wasn’t Lelouch.

    Now, if C.C. hadn’t been speaking to Lelouch at all (as in in person or as if he were there but wasn’t) but had said something completely different, I don’t think that we’d all be wondering whether Lelouch was alive or not. The bit with Nunnally seeing Lelouch’s memories is suspicious, but I don’t think that it’s enough on its own. It’s C.C. talking in a manner that she might be talking to the driver and talking like Geass didn’t bring solitude which make it seem like Lelouch might be alive. The bit with Nunnally mostly serves to support that idea I think and that if that scene with C.C. had been substantially different, we’d pretty much all agree that Lelouch was dead.

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  1263. Maybe….just maybe if everyone here spammed sunrise about a new series they might just make one….or at lease an ova or something just to explain the rest of the answered questions from series one
    Such as….the origins of geass(my hope is for aliens)
    suzaku relation to geass
    C.C. real name
    the other people with the codes
    and many others

    Niloc
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  1264. koja:

    NO. Just no.

    The Japanese PRONOUNCE “Lelouch Lamperouge” as ‘Rerouch Ramperouge’, but if, for instance, you were to show them the two letters side by side, they know the difference. And in fact, Sunrise has proven themselves to be quite good at English for this show (see the files on Rolo’s assassinations. PURE English. And a shout-out to Charlottesville, Virginia).

    So when SUNRISE spells out the title of the show “Code Geass R2: Lelouch of the Rebellion” and not “Code Geass L2: Reroushu of the Leberrion,” you better believe they know L =/= R.

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  1265. Wingzero, sorry but you just said nonsense.

    >A) This is anime
    K, it’s anime and nobody here is pretending realism (unless that’s the theme of the anime) You can make up with all the crazy events you want, but, for God’s sake, would they make some sense in the plot?

    >B)Logical order in life brings peace. logical order in television brings a different kind of peace called BOREDOM!!!!
    This is the greatest stupidity i’d ever read. Here’s the example that proves it wrong:
    We learn during S1, Geass can go wild and unstoppable. This hint was used for the best plot twist Geass featured: the Euphemia incident. All the story made sense back then and it followed the basic rules of logic. Nothing was out of place, and sure it wasn’t any boring!
    Now compare that execution with the idiotic chain of events of the last quarter of the serie… compare it with Nunnally opening her eyes, as an example. One’s will should be strong to break Geass, right? This isn’t according to Nunnally’s personality, which is that of a naive and good hearted girl, to be fooled by everybody so easily during the entire show. She even didn’t resist her brother Geass. Complete incoherence!

    Moreover, from all of your speech you really didn’t answer the real point: weren’t those chars played very bad? Every char deserved its own story to be told in the proper way. I’m not making up speculations: we were given hints about it. Why werent these hints used?
    Cornelia was replaced to the point we started to learn something about Geass’ origins and cult. Why not let her continue the inquiry? That subplot was quickly closed by the illogical coming of Leoluche whose pertinence wasn’t of his remarks!
    C.c was a kind of spectator, but they hadn’t to develop her affection towards Leoluche to the point she was thrown out of the finale without really finishng developing it properly. Moreover, she was part of the Britannia family’s past subplot, which wasn’t good handled on its own…
    Oranje. Here they succeeded in relocating the char at least. No major flaws except those i said earlier.
    But every damn char in Geass wasn’t developed as it should have been. They even started to spin crazy at some point their peronalities were all messed up! Not even dear Leoluche. His’s Jesus Christ like self sacrifice was out of the char too, if we want to really speak about it!

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  1266. I want this to be shown in the DVD. LOL. Anyway, I just based this on Jeff Dunham, he’s a ventriloquist and yeah, this puppets swear a lot (like Achmed the Dead Terrorist, Peanut, and Walter). So, I kinda made Jun Fukuyama a ventriloquist and Zero (it’s up to you who is Zero) the ventriloquist dummy.

    Jun Fukuyama: Greetings to everyone. I’m Jun Fukuyama, the seiyu of the protagonist, Lelouch Lamperouge, of the Code Geass series. I’m here with Zero..Say hi, Zero.

    Zero: Good evening….I’ll kill you…

    Fukuyama (looking at Zero): What was that?

    Zero: Nothing, I was just saying hello to all the racists out there. Hello, racists…your time will come.

    Fukuyama (at Zero): Wh-what was that supposed to mean?

    Zero: Oh, nothing. Please continue.

    Fukuyama: Anyway, we appreciate for watching our show, don’t we, Zero?

    Zero: Nor we did anything….I’ll kill you…

    (looks at Zero, suspiciously)
    Fukuyama: And then, special thanks to all our fans who watched the show from beginning to the end.

    Zero: Yes, thank you. We’re so very grateful…I’ll kill you, you trainwreck–

    Fukuyama (looks at Zero): Uh, did you say something?

    Zero:What?

    Fukuyama: What did you say?

    Zero: Uh, nothing, nothing

    Fukuyama: Um, I thought you said something after you said “We’re so very grateful”

    Zero: Wasn’t me. Someone else here perhaps, maybe there’s another seiyu around. I don’t know….I’ll kill you…

    Fukuyama: Anyway, for all the fans out there who loved this show will really going to miss some of the greatest characters—like Schneizel el Britannia—

    Zero: I’ll kill him!

    Fukuyama:– Suzaku Kururugi–

    Zero: I’ll kill him!

    Fukuyama: And of course, Lelouch Lamperouge.

    Zero: Now that is one great character. His seiyu should get paid more, don’t you think?

    Fukuyama: We have no idea that many appreciate this show

    Zero: No idea! Who knew! I’ll kill you!

    Fukuyama (looks at Zero): What?

    Zero : Huh?

    Fukuyama (at audience): Well, anyway, we would like to thank Sunrise who made this show successful. Right, Zero?

    Zero: Yes, million thanks to Sunrise.

    Fukuyama: Right

    Zero: Blow them up.

    Fukuyama (at Zero): What?

    Zero: Nothing…I’ll kill you…

    Fukuyama (at Zero): I heard that.

    Zero: You heard what?

    Fukuyama: You said, “I’ll kill you”

    Zero: Who,me?

    Fukuyama: Yeah, you.

    Zero: Oh that…we–well, it’s a joke…ha ha ha ha haah…

    Fukuyama: What kind of joke is it to say “I’ll kill you”?

    Zero: Trust me, if you’re a terrorist, that’s funny stuff.

    Fukuyama: Yes, it’s-uh–

    Zero: It’s terrorist humor. Fix my helmet.

    Fukuyama (Fixes helmet on Zero’s head):Sorry

    Zero:It’s very dark and if–(Helmet falls off)—-fix my helmet again.

    Fukuyama (Fixes helmet on Zero’s head) :Sorry

    Zero:If you’re—–(Helmet falls off)—fix my freaking helmet again.

    Fukuyama (Fixes helmet on Zero): I’m sorry

    Zero: I’m gonna kill you!

    Fukuyama (Fixes helmet on Zero): I’m sorry..just fix the helmet…

    Zero: Got it

    Fukuyama: OK

    Zero: OK, it’s very dark humor.

    Fukuyama: Yes

    Zero: If you’re a terrorist, you’ll be laughing your head out. See, my head is covered with a helmet.

    Fukuyama: I got it. So, we will release upcoming picture dramas that will show what had happened in Season 2.

    Zero: I am sorry. I will behave.

    Fukuyama: Promise?

    Zero: Yes

    Fukuyama: Now where was I?

    Zero: Hey, what’s that over there? (Turns left)

    Fukuyama: What? (Turn left)

    Zero: I’ll kill you (At Fukuyama)

    (long pause)
    Fukuyama (to the audience): Thank you, thank you

    Zero: No, thank you (to audience), thank you (looks up), thank you (looks down).

    Fukuyama: For what?

    Zero: For watching the show

    Fukuyama: Right

    Zero: Fix my helmet.

    Fukuyama: Okay (fixes helmet on Zero’s head)

    Zero: Nice

    (pause)
    Zero: Is that a cut?

    Fukuyama: I don’t know

    Zero: Can I kill you now?

    Fukuyama: Sure

    Zero: Screw you

    Note: this is NOT real. I just made this up. Zero is Achmed the Dead Terrorist and Fukuyama is the ventriloquist.

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  1272. @LAngelo
    That depends on the article. Major and controversial articles are watched by a lot of people and so when people put incorrect information in them, it gets caught. The more minor the article, however, the less likely mistakes, errors, and vandalism is to be caught. Except for major articles, anyone can edit them. It’s community driven. That’s why you can rarely use wikipedia as a source for anything in school or in any professional article. While, for the most part, wikipedia is accurate, it’s very easy to put incorrect information there and it isn’t always caught very quickly.

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  1273. @Solaris

    Did you type what you said about nunally wrong?
    Were the Chars played badly answer: No i dont think they were! and as for the logical chain of events thing allow me to clarify fair enough in your mind the fisrt season was more logical than the second! put it tihs way when things become to predictable (perhaps due to logic or an overall pathetic storyline like dragonaut which wasnt even worth trying to predict) then what ends up happening is people post on here with thier predictions and 9/10 of them are right (with the last guy being the deliberate maverick not to follow suit! if i then read all these posts after a while it becomes boring to watch thwe show because everyone now including myself has already for the most part guessed whats about to happen!

    explain this for me!
    Lelouch did what he had to doregarding his self sacrifice (providing hes dead) and since we know that lelouch will fundamentally do anything to achieve his objective which was to create a world were nunally can live happily and create a world without war him making the world hate him then having himself killed on national television isnt out of character! its a stroke of genius! albeit a tad heartbreaking (in the manliest possible way!)
    It seems to me that ultimately you had an impression of what you thought ought to/wanted to happen and it didnte so naturally your a tad jaded you were wrong and now feel that the outline of what you wanted to happen was way better then what actually did happen! (i could be wrong about you though obviously and it wont upset me if i am! :P) i had a similar feeling at the end of R2 because lelouch got run through instead of growing old and dieing peacefully like he almost deserved!

    Back to the point about nunally 2 things

    1) i did originally take issue with her braking the geass put on her eyes but as kalessin pointed out to me being able to fight it isnt uprecidented (among women and freaks like suzaku atleast) due to the way Euphie was geassed she fought it and she didnt even have 8 years to do so!

    2)Nunally is both a royal and lelouch brother and therefore a freak of nature! since Euphie was also annoying and innocent (like nunally) and she fought the geass theres no reason to think she couldnt

    3/2b)I remember what i was originally gona say for 2: This may or may not be true and could only be cleared up with a picture book or some kind of special but its highly possible that the emperor partially LIED about geassing nunally’s eyes!

    excerpt from your original post (obv.) ill number and answer so its easy to read

    1.) Cleared up in a picture book so not unreasonable
    2.) Underusing an ability in an anime is not a crime it could be considered a welcome chage to the usual cavalier approach to having special powers in shows like this!
    3.)Entirely personal preference!
    4.) Beaten by guren-ejected- turned into a cyborg-dragged under water by C.C. whilst still inside the Siegfried AND A CYBORG did i miss anything? or are u gonna complain about how he beat anya aswell! (which was genius IF your cyborg and average explosions dont harm you!) Bottom line He had superpowers (being a cyborg ‘n all! Iron Man was shot with a missle twice and he didnt die he as only wearing his superpowers!)
    Also again this is anime unless you see the character quite literally expire in front of you AND the charcters not important AND the show ends without them coming back AND they dont have superpowers of any kind then chances are the creators can use some convoluted plot device to bring them back even if in some alternate shape or form and thats what makes anime exciting! its like trying to pick the genuinely dead fish from the alive and pretending ones at the fair!
    THEY bought MWE back(,which im not saying is a good thing and they made almost no effort to explain how) and he died after being hit by the primary anti capital ship weapon in a then outdated mobile suit WHICH EXPLODED in SPACE where we saw his HELMET drift off in A VACUUM! and dont get me started on back dated dragonball Z references! dead/alive/dead alive it was like flicking the lights on and off at a cemetery!

    At the end of the day without a series 3 the creators it seemed had to choose berween fully developing the MYSTICAL GEASS plotline or fully developing the Save the World from my family and friends plotline and they chose the latter!

    Maybe you dont like waht i have affectionately dubbed: THE GUREN LAGANN EFFECT in anime but i think that honestly its the reason why i watch shows like this

    The GUREN LAGANN EFFECT: Def. The plot formula used in which events in a tv show or movie after starting slowly or at an average pace suddenly and quickly spiral out of control before being resolved by the main character or party in the programme!

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  1274. there are few good songs in Code Geass, Many GREAT songs… but only ONE GRAND SONG!!! i am ofcourse reffering to the song called… THE MASTER!!!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks added for effect and not part of the song title!)

    try listening to it a full volume at 2am! no doubt the song will be enhanced to the sound of gunfire rioting as everyone within a six mile radius Screams with one voice: TURN IT DOWN YOU ****, **** or *******

    WingZero zxt
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  1275. halt a second, Can i know that the song called “Continue story” sang in code geass is what language? it is neither english or japanese once it heard. I may never want to read the whole page more then 1000 comments if it already stated :p My bad

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  1276. Some are asking if Xing Ke is dead- its I dont think so. just because he wasnt in the photos you presume he might have died? he was on the execution block like everyone else and if he did die it wouldve been more obvious. Finally Lelouch is dead- thats the logical plot.

    If by any miracle an extension of the series is produced and reveals that he is somehow still alive (which is highly unlikely) then that would mean he is simply revived by the creators to milk the series. If thats the case then R2 would be disappointing.

    There is no R3. It was a brilliant ending. Anymore code geass beyond this should be a final fantasy.

    R^
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  1277. Taking that one step further, you could say that Lelouch would now be R.R., aka. R2, the title of the series

    This actually doesn’t make sense in Japanese, and the director clearly stated in a magazine that the R in R2 meant Rebellion….I don’t where people got the R.R thing from…

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  1278. I wouldn’t mind an OVA or some more picture books of Code Geass personally, but as good as the series was, and there are a few things they could explore such as a sequal in the future [maybe w/o Lelouch?], or a prequal to answer questions, there is a 9/10 in my opinion that it isn’t going to happen. Now concerning some other things:

    -Nunnually: first of all I am really glad they gave her a significantly bigger role in this season. Some of you are raving about her being too sentimental and how it doesn’t make sense she broke geass. She had eight years, she is actually really similar to her brother (she had the same plan as him but with the station as the symbol of hate), she is determined and strong (fired those warheads herself to atone for her brother which I must say I am impressed with her strength of will). I think she proved to be a stronger character than any of us expected, but then again in the first season she was usually always in a peaceful setting so we never got to she for ourselves how strong she could be.

    Lelouch: I kinda of like the idea he might be alive but I doubt it. And to those who think his sacrifice is out of character it really isn’t. Through-out the second half of the second season I thought of him as a person who would rather people hate him then they get hurt. Actually I started to wonder if he cared if people hated him or not because he never tried to explain to Suzaku that killing Euphy was an accident, he really did sound evil when he told the Black Knights they were nothing put pawns, and there were alot of things that happened that made me think he was becomming a jerk. But the ending made since of all those actions. Your a good man Lelouch, Ironically the world will hate you as Lelouch Vi Britannia but love you as Zero, even if Suzaku is in the mask now you were Zero for everthing else but your own execution. He will be hated and loved, lol.

    Sorry for the long post but that was a great end to one of the best animes I have watched!!!

    P.S. Anyone else get that feeling that Code Geass seemed liked a mixture between Gundam and Death Note? (I am not saying that it was anything the writers did intentionally.)

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  1279. You know,
    I am going to write a letter to Sunrise regarding the idea that they should allow the creators of Code Geass the chance to the Planned R2 version as the possibile R3, meaning that the current R2 series would be considered as non-canon. The series is popular enough for them to do a movie or another series. So this could be their chance to make things right with the original late night fans of Season One. I no longer recognize R2 as the official start of Code Geass season 2. However, the revised version would have to have a storyline that is different from the one we saw. And it must exceed them as well, which would be very hard to do.

    I believe that the changes that was made to the early episodes had a profound effect on the overall season. The producers are certainly aware of it. In fact, the co-creator of Code Geass never went to the premere to see the first episode of R2 because he was so embarrased by it. He was force to the change the direction of the series because it was going to be changed to the family timeslot hour of Sunday evenings. This was why he make the sort of changes that made this season out of place. It did bring in the younger viewers as expected. But the mature feeling of Season One wasn’t there anymore.

    I do hope that Taniguchi and Ōkouchi are allowed to do another Code Geass project that is based on their original concept of the first season. I just hope that the project takes place where season one left off.

    Are you going to write to Sunrise as well? If they could do a Mai Hime remake, that went on to be better than the original version, I can’t why they can’t do that for Code Geass.

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  1280. @Max
    I, for one, am not at all convinced that the way R2 went as a whole was not what the creators of the show originally intended. All that the interviews with them on the matter have shown is that they had to alter the beginning of R2 to make it a proper introduction to the show for new viewers (due to the new time slot) and thus could not continue straight away from where they’d left off at the end of season 1. That would have naturally resulted in some material being left out or compressed to deal with the lost time, but does not in and of itself result in the core of the story or the majority of the events being altered. There is nothing that I’ve ever read from them the creators themselves that indicates that they had to change more than the first few episodes. There’s been plenty of speculation that they had to change more, but no proof.

    You can write to Sunrise. It won’t hurt anything. But even if they wanted to do more Code Geass, I believe that they already did mainly what they had originally intended and so it’s not as if they could go back and do it the way they had originally intended instead of what they did. They already did what they intended. I think that if we’re ever going to get more Code Geass, it’ll either be a prequel of some kind, a movie or OVA which coincides with the series (perhaps showing additional events or events from between R1 and R2), or a sequel of some kind (assuming that Lelouch is alive). I don’t think that we’ll ever see the “originally intended” version because I think that that’s basically what we got (albeit with a few tweaks). And as for alternate retellings, that doesn’t happen very often. Off the top of my head, the only shows that I know of which have done that are Gundam and Tenchi Muyo. There have been some alternate retellings or compressed tellings in various movies (like Evangelion, Gundam, Shakugan no Shana, and various others), but actually retelling the story in an alternate manner is fairly rare.

    In any case, feel free to write to Sunrise, but I think that about all it will do is show that there’s interest in more Code Geass, not make them tell it in the way that you want. Still, that could do some good.

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  1281. All I had wanted to see was the revelation of Milly revealing her love for Lelouch. This is on of those moments that they should have fixed in Turn 12 instead of leaving it as is. I wanted to see Lelouch’s reaction to Milly’s words of love. So this way, he would be aware that there was another potential love interest waiting for him, instead of Shirley or Kallen.

    They could do a very different R2. I agree that it would not make any sense to tell a story that has been told already. This was why I suggested an alternate storyline that is different from the current version. It would not conflict with the current version at all because the story takes place in an alternate timeline. Same characters. Different plotlines to the new story. This is the sort of retelling that might exceed R2. But what do I know. I hope we might have gotten some sort of resolution between Milly x Lelouch before the series ended. And I must also agree that Code Geass is nothing without Lelouch.

    I even read that they are planning a Eureka 7 movie that takes place in an alternate universe. So if they could do that, then perhaps if Code Geass gets a movie, they could use that opportunity to do a story that is set between R1 and R2. From there, they could do a new series that’s based from the movie that was the intended story for R2 and beyond.

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  1283. its the perfect ending ever!! sob sob sobs….. xD
    OMG its been a long time since i feel this way after watching anime….
    alive or not… (elfen lied?? lolz)
    ALL HAIL LELOUCH!! now the world is as what he planned xD 5/5

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  1286. @Max

    I know your frusration regarding the Milly x Lelouch relation. Remember that Code Geass isn’t a drama/love story. From the very beginning, this series had tragedy written all over it. The only way that a Milly x Lelouch relationship could have happened is if Marianne had not died. Everything about the Ashfords had Marianne’s name to it. Had she lived, it would have been possible to have seen Milly x Lelouch as a couple because they would have met a lot sooner and bonded immediately. Then again, Code Geass would not have happened because Lelouch would not have been sent to Japan prior to the invasion. He would still be in his own isolated world of wealth and privilege of Britannia’s high society.

    As you now know that all changed with Marianne’s death. Lelouch confronted his father on the matter. But Charles appeared uncaring about it and banish him and Nunnally to Japan. That would forever alter his personality because he felt unloved be his father, a man he once looked up to. This is the type of situation that makes a person lonely and dead on the inside. By the time he confronted Charles in the World of C, he was shocked to have seen Marianne, who was very happy to have seen her son all grown up. Once everything was revealed to Lelouch about his parents plans to rid the world of lies, this only thing that was on his mind was the fact that they abandoned him and Nunnally for 8 years. He rejected their plans and accused them of abandoning him as a child. Charles told Lelouch that he did it to protect him from V.V. influence because he killed Marianne and tried to cover up the murder by making it seem that assassins did it. All Lelouch could think was punishing Charles, and now Marianne because he felt that they were uncaring to their own children for their selfishness. Both Marianne and Charles had not realized that their actions has damage Lelouch in a very big way into becoming an uncaring person who only existance was to destroy the current world and to create a new one. His parents plans was to create a world that was kind to them. So He told Jupiter to let time continue.

    So under those circumstances, Lelouch was not going to fall in love with anyone because it would have altered his plans. The deaths of Euphemia and Shirley pretty much put an end to any possible love interests that he had in mind. This was why he was unresponsive towards Kallen, and he might have done the same to Milly as well. He did not want to worry about either of them because it would have left a greater burden upon them if they were ever in a romantic relationship with Lelouch. Imagine if Milly x Lelouch had been a couple in Turn 12. She would have seen the ugly reality of his world. She would have been even more worried about his welbeing than she was at that moment. So you could see that Milly x Lelouch wasn’t meant to be in this alternate world. Perhaps somewhere, in an alternate reality, Milly x Lelouch might have been a couple. But it wasn’t meant to be in the world of Code Geass. I’ll admit that she would have been his real love interest, if the circumstance allowed it. This why when they released that Sound Drama CD#5, it had Lelouch and Milly in their upper class attire. Thus I suspect that this was an illustration to show what might have been if Marianne wasn’t killed.

    I am sure that she was devastated at his death. But it might have been even more profound if Milly and Lelouch were dating, which was not possible because Lelouch never went back to Ashford Academy after Shirley’s death. Too bad that Lelouch died at the end. But that was the only way that he could escaped the curse of the Geass and create a new world for everyone. Thus C.C. felt cheated once again.

    I hope that my comments helps you to understand the situation.

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  1287. >It seems to me that ultimately you had an impression of what you thought ought to/wanted to happen and it didnte so naturally your a tad jaded you were wrong and now feel that the outline of what you wanted to happen was way better then what actually did happen.
    I didn’t speak of what i’d liked the plot to be. Of course i have made up lots of suppositions, alternate happenings and so on. But that’s my personal thought. Its seems more to me, you are moved so much by the happenings not to be aware of the mistakes this plot showed.
    We all made up our mind picture of the serie. Some of us did focus attention on shocking plot twist and strong chars, like you did. Some other were more analitical and pointed out some inconsistencies. Some other people just liked to rewrite the whole story (i know one of those). It is sure allright, but you cant really deny the flaws. And there were so many.

    How many people made wrote their predictions in this blog and on the internet? Hundreds? Thousands? Of course being there were so many predictions, some of them could have been right by chance. Clearly it wasn’t fault of the plot being predictable. It seemed more than Geass plotwriters were trying to avoid fans prediction by making up illogic events and magical plot twist in the first place ^^; Lol if It it were true!

    Yuugure.
    Was really Nunnally strong willed? Lol she was fooled by everybody… and thought it wa better to nuke milions of peolpe for the sake of stopping one… LOL A strong willed idiot indeed
    And Leoluche’s sacrifice wouldn’t be out of char unless it was all fare. The last lie of the master of lies…

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  1290. One can agree that the story was rushed because the production staff assumed that they would not get another season to explain everything, which is very hard to do in 25 episodes. No doubt the change in the timeslot ruined the alingment of R1 and R2. It might have been a better series if they were allowed to keep their old timeslot. I doubt if we’re going to see another Code Geass, unless the story takes place right after season one. But Turn 13 to Turn 25 was so oblvious for Lelouch. Anyone who walks along the demon path ends up dead. I was hoping that Lelouch did not end up like Light Yagame in The Death Note. But he did, without ever knowing that he had left a broken heart that he was never aware of: Milly Ashford.

    For Cornelia and Nina, Lelouch’s death was poetic justice for the death of Euphemia. Although when he sees her in the afterlife, she might just as well forgive him. His sins have been paid in full. There are no regrets left for Lelouch. May he rest in peace.

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  1291. I thought that the Nightmare of Nunnally was non canon. I certainly hope we don’t see that one coming. I don’t think Code Geass would be the same without Lelouch, because there was so much that they could have explored with his character. I hope that the creators could consider doing a novel of R2, the way it was meant to be. Lelouch’s death was too predictable for a series like this.

    Max
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  1295. Milly has Rival …got over it. Those two were fated to be together long before …Lelouche and Milly. I mean I got the feeling that those two would be together from the beginning, and would actully want to see that couple.

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  1299. the show could have stretched up to 3 seasons. they could even do more, man there only a few shows that can stretched up to more than 100+ episodes nowadays, like Bleach and Naruto, and I definitely think Code Geass is better than both combined.

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  1302. Hmm.. I think that if Lulu dies, thats kind of a crappy ending and does not fit that well. I mean, he is supposedly really smart, and It would of been better if it actually faked his own death. I think that fits better with his character also. Haha I’m not sure if it’s true, but I’m going to go with the rumor that the wagon driver is lulu, since IMO it’s gives the story a better ending.

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  1304. Al Hail Lelouch! what c.c. said at the ending means that giving geass to lelouch made her not lonely anymore cause the world changed. IT means lelouch is dead and by his dead the world changes and because of that c.c is not lonely anymore cause there is peace!

    The driver of that wagon is NOT lelouch, even if i want too! Everyone want the driver too be lelouch even I but he is dead…..

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  1306. @Silentveil

    Rivalz is with Miya. Not Milly! Milly was never in love with Rivalz. And besides, it doesn’t matter anymore because Lelouch is DEAD. And personally, I was interested in the Milly x Lelouch relationship because it could have provided some clues into her background. I don’t believe that Rivalz was ever a love interest for Milly. He’s gotten over her as a love interest because she has her own life as a reporter while he is a student dating Miya. Just because he was talking to Milly in the last scenes doesn’t mean that they are a couple.

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  1307. I believe that the only couple which is 100% sure is Ougi X Viletta. There are plenty of other cases of characters being interested in other characters and people that might get together at some point (for instance, given the chance – and enough time to reach the proper age – I’m sure that Tianzi would love to get together with Xing Ke, but it never actually happened in the show), but there are very few cases where characters were clearly a couple in the end. About all we have after Lelouch’s death is a bunch of photos and a few short scenes. Those don’t indicate things like romantic relationships very well. Two people being next to each other in a group photo doesn’t mean that they’re a couple even if we know that one or both of them was interested in being one. Really, anything with regards to actual couples at the end of Code Geass is pretty much speculation. It just wasn’t important enough to the story for them to tell us.

    As for Rivalz, it’s been quite clear from the beginning that he was interested in Milly, but she’s never shown any real romantic interest in him. She was with Lloyd for a while and we found out midway through R2 that she’d had a bit of a crush on Lelouch, but she’s had no other romantic involvement in the series and a conversation with Rivalz near the end certainly doesn’t establish a romantic relationship with him. We really have no way of knowing who ended up with who other than Ougi and Viletta since they made it clear that they got married. Pretty much anything else is speculation.

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  1308. @Kalessin
    I agree with on the romantic assessment. The only confirmed relationship was Ougi X Viletta in this series. There was supposed to have been a possible relationship between Cecile x Suzaku, and perhaps Milly x Lelouch in the “Planned” version of R2. But I am speculating that those potential scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. Throughout R1 and the first half of R2, the writers were building up on Milly’s character towards Lelouch to the point where she might have told him how she felt about him. There was certainly enough support to warrant that possible outcome. But they just abandoned that altogether in Turn 12. Rather than Milly taking his hat, they have Shirley doing that instead. And the whole irony was that she gets killed off in the next episode. If Milly was in that situation, she would have been smart enough not to say anything to Rolo. Especially if she had gotton her memories back. I felt that she would have made an excellent companion for Lelouch because they think alike and love/understand each other.

    But as you said, there was no romantic development for Lelouch x Milly or Suzaku x Cecile at all in this series of R2. The tragedy of Code Geass of the relationship pairs was Lelouch x Shirley and Suzaku x Euphemia. If there was a chance to delvelop it, Milly might have been Lelouch next love interest, besides Kallen. However, the entire outcome of the series might have been very different. They say that true love can have a positive affect on a person, meaning that Lelouch would have become the Demon King who walks towards his death. For Suzaku, a relationship with Cecile might have healed some of the pain of losing Euphemia. Thus he would not have been as obsessive about going after Lelouch as he did throughout 3/4 of R2.

    The producers mentioned that they were to have been some love scenes in R2. But clearly, it was a huge disappointment on that part. All the potential build-up of Milly and Cecile in their respected guys lost because of the sudden changes they had to make with R2 into the “Not as Planned” version.

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  1309. I made a mistake on my last comment. I meant to say:

    They say that true love can have a positive affect on a person, meaning that Lelouch would not have become the Demon King who walks towards his death.

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  1310. Lelouch is definitely alive, if you pay attention to the way C.C. talks near the end, when she sais “Isn’t that right, Lelouch?”, the tone changes, and is definitely NOT a tone you use to talk to someone who’s not physically there. In other words she was talking to someone near her, either the cart driver who might be Lelouch or he might be on it with her. C.C wouldnt look so happy either if Lelouch really was dead in this scene.

    Also the fact that Nunnaly saw Lelouch’s memories by touching him also confirms this, just like the end of season 1 when Lelouch saw C.C’s past, proves that Lelouch was immortal at this time. Whether it was all planned out by him or not (knowing he was immortal part) cant be said, maybe Lelouch really was about to sacrifice himself, and in a twist of fate, he didnt die, we can only speculate on that, but evidence everywhere definitely points at the fact that Lelouch is still alive.

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  1311. GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS GEASS V

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  1314. @Solaris
    The thing is though is (especially) in a series like this you cant really point out things like character behaviour and use as a program flaw because its like saying ‘people dont change!’ The reason why we could all get behind lelouch nad his actions is because of the factr that
    A)There was always someone far worse than him and
    B)We knew he had a moral agenda!
    The events of Code geass streched across 2 years (approx.) And regarding Nunally she actually had the same idea as lelouch mixed in with overtones of schniziel! Make damocles a symbol of hate and force people to get along on the grounds that no one is as big an Evil scum as you! bthats why he was comfortable geassing her cos he was like,’Well i was gonna do somthing similar to that anyway’

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  1315. I’m sure that Lelouch is smart enough to fake his own death, even if he really did want to die for the world, I don’t think the world of C will let him. Seeing as they are on his side, because they even erased Charles and Marriane, so it’s quite possible for them to grant Lelouch the Code. Also wasn’t it stated by Marianne, that there is ALWAYS 2 CODES IN EXISTENCE? So the fact that Charles was so surprised in getting defeated despite being immortal, mustve mean that the code would be transfered to Lelouch once he would dissappear. The trigger for that would be Lelouch’s death, just as Charles’ death was the trigger for it, the same as C.C. trigger for her code was her own death by the hands of the nun, whom I think stabbed C.C. in her chest.

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  1316. Being bad is good! WOW! That was the best anime I’ve ever seen, for now at least.The ending was epic like an ending to all endings, and it was beautiful. ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!!

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  1317. Wonderful Ending!
    And ya, Lelouch got his dad’s code inside the world of C.
    When Nunally touched him she saw his memories, CC was known to do this also called the “merging of the consciousness.”
    It ties into the title of the series as lelouch was the first person to achieve “code geass” he got the code from his dad not CC so he didn’t have to lose his geass, cc was still alive meaning their contract was unfulfilled.
    He’s either the driver or somewhere in the cart they don’t show us.

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  1319. there won’t be a season 3 more likely an Oav or movie is going to happen because of demand like Neon ev. but i wish for a third season they will crazy with it and add in aliens, robots, and space battles but they will do something with this cash cow it just won’t end like this. Hell they might do remake based on the manga like fullmetal alchemist now that i thing about it but its not the end not by a longshot
    also
    Lelouch is the driver for the cart no one else could have that slender girlish figure
    also Lelouch is alive because how in the world did Suzaku

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  1322. you guys should probably take note that nunally can see through people’s lies by touching their hands [lots of evidence for this throughout r2]….so lelouche is not 100% immortal =]……yet

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  1324. @Mikazuki Sakura
    I have not heard anything saying that there would be a new episode on the DVD’s. There have been plenty of people expressing interest in such a thing in the hopes of finding more stuff out (like whether Lelouch is actually dead or not), but I haven’t actually seen anything indicating that we’re going to get any more Code Geass episodes on the DVD’s. And honestly, given the way that episode 25 ended, I’m not quite sure what they’d do for a single episode (regardless of whether Lelouch is alive or not). About all they could do in a single episode is show more about what people have been up to since Lelouch’s death and they already showed us a fair amount of that at the end of episode 25, so I find it rather unlikely that they’d put together a new episode for the DVD’s. Still, it would be nice if they did. Regardless, however, I think that any talk of an extra episode on the DVD’s is just that – talk. I’m unaware of any official Code Geass announcement of any kind at this point which pertains to even the possibility of future episodes.

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  1325. @ledouche
    There’s a big difference between telling if someone is lying by holding their hand and seeing visions of their past when you touch them. The only time that anything like that has happened in the past was with C.C. And not only did that not happen every time that someone has touched her, but it’s usually accompanied by other stuff like her Geass symbol flashing and seeing the “brain lines” or some other similar Geass-related visual before seeing her memories. There were no such indications of a Geass-related reaction when Nunnally touched Lelouch.

    Really, it’s possible that her seeing his memories was an indication that he had a code, but it’s just as likely that the writers decided to have her conveniently see his memories just because it made it so that she would understand what he’d been up to. However, the fact that she can tell if someone is lying by holding their hand when they speak isn’t really the same thing at all.

    Really, we can’t say at this point what happened exactly. It could be simple convenience on the part of the writers or it could be an indication of Lelouch’s survival. There’s no way to know at this point without the creators of the show spilling the beans.

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  1326. All the theory about Lelouch being alive supports itself in the “fact” that charles gained his code after he died of the bullet because de geass of lelouch but if you see that esene the geass didnt have any effect in Charles he only acted that to surprise lelouch.
    then never in the series someone said that you needed to die to gain the code, the code was obtained from the person and that is all, then someone will say ” but cc was wounded when she got the code ” then i say the nun was crazy it is so weird to think that she only wounded her to make her get well from that and scare her more?

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  1327. @kalessin

    If nunally could CONVENIENTLy see into lelouch’s memories, then that would be a huge plot hole that they would need to get out of. I personally believe that sunrise will milk this series for all its worth and may even end up giving us a trainwreck like GSD

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  1328. It’s curious, isn’t it, that everyone automatically assumes that presuming Lelouch has in fact not died, and has been preserved by the power of the Code, that he had planned on such an occurance? Did nobody consider the possibility that he was entirely unaware of his possession of a Code (and a Geass, apparantly), and did plan on dying in his glorious ‘Zero Requiem’, but it turned out that he was immortal and got the best of both worlds? It is fitting, in the opinion of Captain Obvious, that Lelouch was willing to go to the ends of the earth and back for his goal, and planned on sacrificing himself in the process… but then he doesn’t really die, because he didn’t know he was immortal. I don’t know about everyone else, but it seems to me that this aforementioned solution sort of solves the whole dispute… should it actually be the answer, not saying that it definitely is.
    Captain Obvious out.

    Captain Obvious
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  1329. @Captain Obvious
    If Lelouch is alive, I, for one, certainly hope that he had intended to die. It’s much more noble that way. It means that he was willing to go all the way and do everything that he thought was necessary to create the world that Nunnally and Euphemia wanted. If he survived and intended to, it kind of cheapens his sacrifice and his resolve. It also makes it look like he was screwing over Suzaku since he would be leaving Suzaku to pick up the mess while he ran off to live a peaceful life with C.C. Really, I think that it works much better if Lelouch intended to die. Certainly given his behavior in the previous episodes, he sure didn’t seem like he cared all that much about living. His concern was creating the better world by any means. His survival was incidental.

    Also, given that C.C. and Suzaku were crying and what Lelouch was thinking about when he was dying, I find it somewhat hard to believe that he expected to survive. It sure seemed like all three of them thought that he was toast. Really, other than the oddity of Nunnally seeing Lelouch’s memories and C.C. talking at the end like Lelouch might actually be there are the only things that make it look like Lelouch survived.

    Now, having Lelouch survive and be surprised about it works just fine for me. That way he made his sacrifice and still gets to live. But since they haven’t told us whether he’s alive or not, we sure can’t know whether he intended to die or not.

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  1330. @Shinigami99
    I totally agree that Nunnally seeing Lelouch’s memories is a plot hole whether Lelouch is alive or not. The reason is that if Lelouch died, then that’s just weird that she could see his memories (there’s really no precedence for it in the series without C.C. being involved), and if Lelouch is alive, then it’s a plot hole because we don’t know that he’s alive. Since we don’t know that he’s alive, the hole was never explained away and it remains. So, if they later tell us that Lelouch is alive, then that fixes the plot hole, but until then, it’s still there.

    As for Gundam Seed Destiny, the main problem with that series was not that it was made but that it was made poorly. It had great potential, but it was poorly planned (how many times does the plot suddenly change direction and focus?) and it just didn’t work out well. It had its moments, but it was just too poorly planned out to work properly. It could have been very good. That being the case, simply having more Code Geass does not necessitate another disaster like Gundam Seed Destiny. It’s quite possible that such a sequel series could turn out very well. However, it would have to be planned out well and well executed, otherwise it does indeed risk being another disaster like Gundam Seed Destiny. I’m reserving judgement on sequel series to Code Geass until it’s actually made (which it probably won’t be).

    Also, my hope is that if they do make a sequel to Code Geass, they wait a few years so that they can plan it out properly. Code Geass took five years to plan and execute. I’d want any sequel series to get a similar treatment so that it stood a good chance of being of similar quality. If they were to rush it, then we probably would be looking at another Gundam Seed Destiny.

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  1331. It’s a bit late for a reply.
    Anyway, don’t you think it is nice for Lelouch to have a Jesus style death? It would also cleanse his sins of killing some many innocent people throughout his quest. It is actually important to teach those kids who watch this show that a bad guy cannot get away with killing.
    Finally, R2 utilised the ‘mobile suits’ much better than in Seed and Seed Destiny. It is a good training manual for other directors.

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  1332. The way lelouch died was very dramatic cool, if you read most of the comments on different sites you see that it has made a major impact on the fans. We know that lelouch did those things because it fits his character and the more we like him the greater the impact is when he dies! And by the way its official that he is dead cause its been proven in the newtype magazine!
    Al hail lelouch! greatest character of 2008!

    freedomaster
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  1335. Well, I did find this link which has a translation of something from Newtype’s November issue: http://atashi.wordpress.com/category/code-geass-lelouch-of-the-rebellion-r2/ . The person posting the article thought that it confirms Lelouch as dead. However, given how the bit from Newtype is effectively in prose and it doesn’t actually outright say that Lelouch is dead, I don’t see how it confirms anything.

    There are only two parts that sound like they might be declaring him dead:

    1. “Now that everything is over, has Lelouch fallen into deep slumber? In eternal rest that the ageless and immortal witch watches over. From the present to the future. From an instant to perpetuity. Will the story be passed down?”

    2. “The world is aiming for tomorrow. That was Lelouch’s final wish.”

    Really, the bit from Newtype is not clear at all and could easily have been written by someone who had simply watched the final episode as opposed to anyone who actually knows what happened. It does not definitively declare Lelouch dead. It implies that that’s the case, but it’s not really any clearer than the ending of the show itself.

    Kalessin
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  1345. All in all code geass was an awesome anime, the second season was quite damn good, albeit not as good as the first but still very good. Realistically i think that Lelouch did indeed die, but it can be interperated differently by other people. I think that it would ruin lelouchs character if he were to be alive, as it cheapens his sacrafice. Although we don’t want too see lelouch die, i think its the perfect ending for such a great show. It really justifies what lelouch has been fighting for, a world for nunnally, and in a such a world lelouch can’t exist. I think its best if sunrise leaves the ending as it is, that way it doesn’t ruin lelouch’s sacrafice.
    BTW
    Omni could u please suggest any cool anime like code geass, and i guess to some extent liek gundam 00
    Thanks in Advance

    Omega
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  1347. I hadn’t watched this ep in a while.. But I did jusy know, and there’s this little thing I noticed. When C.C. is talking to Lelouch in the end, when she says “right, Lelouch?”.. Her hair swirls/lifts up a little like it was done by the wind, as if she was touched by a ghost. (the same happens in death note, where REM touches Misa when she’s interrogated), anyways just my thought on it.

    JordiBlau
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  1348. @Omega

    The one problem that I had with R2 was the fact that it was uneven, in contrast to the first season. The first 12 episodes, aside from the China arc, was a repackaged introduction of the Ashford Academy from season one. The second half was very rushed. The R2 left me unsatisfied because there a lot of issues that was never resolved. I am hoping that Code Geass R2 could follow the example of a Mai Hime remake into how the first 12 episodes was meant to be.

    I’ll agree that Lelouch is indeed dead as to prevent the series from going forward from where R2 had left off. If would be very hard to do another series from R2. However, they could do an alternate universe version that takes place right after Season One with the R2 remake version, starting with Stage 26 that could be the official start of the new timeline with Lelouch, Ashford Academy, and the Black Knights vs Britannia.

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  1349. Yeah i also felt that the second half of season 2 was rushed and after turn 21 it was kind of anti climactic, as lelouch had become emperor and suzaku the strongest knight of the empire. The whole second half of R2 just seemed too rushed, they could have slowed it down. They revealed why and how marianne died, lelouch killed charles, all this in the span of one episode.

    Thanks for the suggestion of Death Note, i’ve actually already seen it and thought it was really good, any other suggestions would be good.

    Omega
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  1350. I personally believe that Lelouch received the geass code, rendering him immortal. Fakes his death and lives with C.C. as to her real wish, which is not death as she claims but love of someone who understands her and would not want to use her and that in the end she is directing the comments to the driver i.e. Lelouch. He completed his mission to the world to make it peaceful now he is just fullfilling his pledge to C.C.
    That is the ending that I would believe to interpret even though there is no proff of Lelouch being alive.

    Rei
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  1351. There is proof for nothing concrete, you know? For all we can tell, Lelouch is either alive and kicking, or dead and buried underground somewhere. I, take it to be the former. Now, if only Rolo’s grave could be marked better. 🙁

    Lulu FTW
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  1355. Yeah Suzaku did get the shaft in our eyes but this is what he wanted. He truly wants to die for what he did in the past but with the live on geass he can’t. This is the only way. He won’t be totally alone, Nunally knows and I have a feeling Kallen/Todou know as well.

    jd
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  1359. Yeah… I agree with you NO. By the way, did anyone know C.C true name?
    I made this story because I don’t lke if Lelouch died in the end of story. Live on LELOUCH!!! SUNRISE please make ts sequel….
    CODE GEASS: I think it’s better if the rest of the story is like this: Lelouch live again after death because he got immortal power like C.C. from kill his father ( He get V.V immortal code ). The power activated because he almost dead. He wake up in his grave. (His geass power disappeared in the change of immortality) His friend found out about it not long after he back to live ( because his corpse lost from his grave so they tried so hard to find it and accidentally met him ). He told them all thing that happened. His friends understand and want to help him. But he choose to leave and travelling with C.C to find a cure for their immortality and success to find it after 3 years travelled. He appearance didn’t change ( he will still young and handsome ) (^_^) because immortal power and after he get the cure, he and C.C began to grow up again. Change his name and identity and his appearance a little with his friends help ( maybe change his hair’s colour become black and put contact lens to change his eyes colour become blue ) XP. He come back to his friends and live happily with his sister and friends ever after and take back the role as zero and help his sister to govern. Suzaku change his appearance and identity, too, like Lelouch. They will become best friend forever. HAPPY END!!! 😀
    Are you like my story?

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  1360. u gotta admit lelouch is like L or light from death note
    cept light is evil and he would kill anyone whos bad, he might even kill me (too lazy)
    L wanted to bring justice towards the world and stop kira from messin wit everyone with fear

    Anne
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  1362. Apparently this is the last season of code geass ever although i did hear the mumblings of another sound episode or something which may be interesting. But i guess with everything all good tings have to come to an end.

    Also with that post earlier about death note with light vs L i’d have to say what made that interesting was that L and Light were pretty much the same person you could stick L into lights position pretty easily and that was what made the series so interesting.

    With code geass thou lelouch vs suzaku was clearly a distinction in both morals and personalities although nearing the end they both sort of took on the other ones characteristics and became like each other.

    Probably the one thing i did not enjoy about the both was the ending where the main character dies after u see all the struggles they go through so nearing the end of the series your completely on one side only to find out they die. Even if they accomplished all their goals i’d at least like to see them go in a storm of glory rather then dieing a pathetic death like in Death Note and at least being recognized for there achievements.

    Niloc
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  1364. here is something interesting to think about. C.C. code(the geass symbol on her head) isn’t there anymore and that Suzaku some how escape his death leave question that if Lelouch not try something like that for himself(fake his death) using C.C. code(which could be on his bloody hand at his “death”.

    no one
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  1367. looking back at it it seems like the 2nd season was like similar to the first season up to about ep 13 where it completely lost the firm direction of season 1. Cause it’s going all about the main ideas about lying and avenging his mother and from ep 13 goes on about masks which really did seem like it came of no where at the time i really enjoyed the twists but it’s really season one which u can go back to time and time again.

    My hope is that they release an OVA or something and hopefully the director of this series makes something similar.

    Niloc
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  1368. There probably wont be a third season for a couple of years cos it was too popular to let die so quickly! (from what i can see!)

    my End sentiment is the same as the announcers read sentiment (before lelouch died!)

    May Glory shine down upon lelouch

    All Hail Brittania

    All HAIL LELOUCH

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALL HAIL CODE GEASSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WingZero zxt
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  1369. Over a month has pass and people are still talking about it. That’s how good this series was, regardless of all its faults.

    And after this long, I still feel empty. Despite the shows I’m following this season, I simply have no series to look forward to in the weekend. It’s just not the same without Code Geass.

    Don945
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  1374. I just thought that I’d point out that the aforementioned article that confirms Lelouch’s death ( http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/ ) also confirms that R2 went more or less as planned. The ending we got was the one that they had intended when the first episode of R1 was first shown. So, I think that that makes it quite clear that R2 was not drastically changed in spite of a number of people being disappointed with R2 and thinking that it was not the original plan and that the studio should have the chance to remake the story the way that they had originally intended. While we know that a few changes were made at the beginning of R2 in order to make it a better entrance point for new viewers, we now know that R2 is, on the whole, exactly what it was meant to be.

    I’m also very glad that they finally confirmed that Lelouch is definitively dead. I didn’t like the ambiguity that we were left with after watching the ending. Now, that likely has the unfortunate side effect of guaranteeing that we’ll never get more Code Geass, but it won’t be the first time that a great show didn’t get continued past its original plan in spite of all the fans who want more of it.

    Kalessin
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  1375. i hope they don’t do a new series with a new main character i really hate when they do that they refer to the previous season whist the whole new series is completely messed up kind of like GSD with shinn partially replacing kira.

    Niloc
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  1376. A new series is already planned. It will be based off the new manga “Code Geass: Nightmare of Nunally”

    Basically, it’s set in an alternate universe that takes place when Lelouch first becomes Zero. His death is uncertain, and Nunally begins to worry and goes find him. She finds out he is dead. She then meets a geass person who looks like a flying ball. The ball turns Nunally into a Nightmare Frame that is very strong. She can turn back to normal at any time. The Nightmare is the evil in Nunally.

    Nunally > Lelouch in terms of evil

    Basically that’s the beginning, don’t want to spoil the rest. Google it.

    Ava
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  1377. @anyone who is interest in what Charles was planning.

    if he was going to have Marriane body saving up somewhere would he be saving up his daughter body to able to bring her back using the sword?

    yo
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  1379. A new series as in new anime or are they just sticking to the manga? If so it may be interesting i’ve read a bit about it but in the manga version zero leads from the front and his personally and character would have to change quite a bit. Might be interesting who knows if an anime adaptation would be made but if not i’m really not interested in reading manga the lack of moving pictures is really not good and ruins the mood the anime creates.

    Also what ever happened to Marriane’s body? It was mentioned a few times and just forgotten about. In the 1st season we heard it was moved the second gave the explanation but not where it turned up as of the moment the only one who really knows who schnizel but he’s under the control of geass.

    Niloc
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  1380. The new manga will surely be made into an anime. The reason for the new manga is because of the success of the anime series. The anime series is based off the manga so I’m sure it will.

    Ava
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  1381. 🙂 sounds good! Hopefully it does a lot more in terms of character development as it seems to hint at possible relationships but doesn’t explicitly state anything such as Lelouch x C.C. and for the anime i was actually hoping for much much more background on his mother who seemed like one of the most mysterious people in the series.

    Like how she got her knight status and her connection with bismark

    Niloc
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  1382. @Kalessin
    Show Spoiler ▼

    If this series was “As Planned”, then why was this season a production nightmare, in contrast to season one? I don’t think that the production staff is going to admit that there were problems with this season. In fact, I would not be surprised that Sunrise told them to not say any negative comments about it. It’s just Sunrise doing Damage Control. Make no mistake. There was a lot of things that got cut from R2 than what was mentioned. The change in the Code Geass timeslot has a lot to do with the fact that there was no other anime that could have fit into the schedule at the time. Code Geass was picked to sell more merchandise at a younger audience. So once the series ended, Gundam 00 would quickly fill that momentum. It was a marketing gimick to glue in the audience for the arrival of Gundam 00.

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  1383. @Max
    I’m not about to claim that nothing was changed from the original plan. They obviously had to change the beginning of R2 in order to make it a better entry-point to the show for new viewers because the timeslot changed. They also had at least some issues with the middle of R2, but the ending was definitely what they had intended. To quote part of the interview from the link I gave:

    Okouchi: “No. The last episode wasn’t difficult at all; in fact, it was the middle parts of R2 that turned out to be rough going. For the final episode, [I’d/we’d] already decided on the ending when writing the script for the first episode of the previous series. Episode 1, Episode 25 (Episode 1 and the final episode of the previous series) and episode 25 of R2 — these episodes did not deviate much from our original plans.”

    I’m unaware of anything that says exactly how much they had to change in R2. There’s every possibility that if they hadn’t had to make the changes at the beginning of R2 that they did then the rest of R2 would not have been quite as pressed for time and would have flowed better. However, that’s not to say that they necessarily had to change much in R2 either. Overall, R2 is what they planned, but there are details that changed. What those details are, we don’t know. However, I don’t see any reason to think that R2 is substantially changed from its intended course and I don’t know why you think that R2 was a production nightmare. I’m unaware of them really having any more problems producing R2 than R1.

    And if one of your main problems with R2 is that it didn’t explain enough, well it sounds like we got lucky that they explained as much as they did (from the same interview):

    Okouchi: “From the very beginning, [I/we] never planned on explaining everything. In fact, if you ask me, I think we might have overdone the explanations. While it’s undeniable that Lelouch’s story has ended with a full stop, the other characters’ stories are still on-going, and it’s not like the world [of Code Geass] itself has come to an end either. [I/we] didn’t want to end it by closing it up for good.”

    R2 certainly had its share of problems, but I don’t understand why some people insist that R2 was substantially changed from its original plan or that the result was a mess. I thought that while R2 certainly wasn’t perfect, it turned out quite well overall. And while we know that they had to make some changes due to the changed timeslot, there’s no evidence that I’m aware of that they had to change much other than the very beginning of the season. That would have impacted the amount of time that they had for the rest of the season and compressed the rest somewhat, but it doesn’t mean that they deviated from their original plan much.

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  1384. I agree, I really hope they do not make a continuation of this series, they ended it perfectly. Maybe a follow-up episode to let the fans know whether Lalouche really did die or not? I’m fairly sure the not knowing is going to drive me insane!

    ashem03
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  1386. All I’ll say is that the only way for the rumors to STOP is for the production team to directly do a novel of what was intended for Code Geass R2 directly. This way, we can decide for ourselves what was intended or not.

    Max
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  1387. Lelouch accomplished his tasks after obtaining the Geass.
    Therefor C.C will get her wish come true(wich was to die at one time-WRONG). But in the last episode when asked “So you love Lelouch” she answeres something like “i dont know”. WASNT HER WISH FOR REAL JUST TO BE LOVED !? and she was.. by Lelouch
    Lelouch will inherit the curse of immortality!
    Lelouch is alive and is the driver! and for a glimps of second at the very end of the last episode u are able to see C.C’s forehead! And what is there…
    NOTHING..
    NOTHING AT ALL..

    danil
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  1388. Quote:
    “Realistically i think that Lelouch did indeed die, but it can be interperated differently by other people. I think that it would ruin lelouchs character if he were to be alive, as it cheapens his sacrafice”

    I just had to comment this stupid comment..
    Ehh CHEAPENS his sacrifice? wtf are u talkin about..
    wasnt ONE of Lelouch’s believes that its the RESULTS THAT MATTER
    He cast away hes original life to make the world a “Kind place” and what he got was to be with the one he loves and is loved by C.C.

    danil
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  1389. @ashem03 and @danil If you read http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/ it makes it pretty clear that Lelouch is dead. It has an interview with the head writer for the show and while he doesn’t outright say that Lelouch is dead, he certainly talks like he is. Also, for what it’s worth, wikipedia’s article on Lelouch cites a magazine article (which isn’t online) where it was supposedly stated explicitly that Lelouch was dead.

    And as for C.C.’s forhead, if you go back at watch previous episodes, you’ll notice that the mark only appears on her forehead when she’s using Geass-related powers. It’s normally invisible, so whether you can see it or not at any particular time doesn’t say anything about whether she still has a code.

    Kalessin
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  1390. I see it as for the wiever to come up with the ending.
    Thats how i felt they made the end. And i guess thats why they dont declare the death of Lelouch.

    As for the forehead thing, what u say Kalessin might be true. the thing about the Code is only visible when its activated might true i didnt take notice of this during the series and i jumped around in some episodes looking for an answer but the hair was in the way for the forehead all the time and i guess that just might be the reason i didnt take notice of it either.

    danil
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  1396. Haven’t read all of the posts above, so this might be a bit redundant, but after re-watching parts of the series here’s my take.

    I originally thought and was almost happy that lelouch ended up dying (it makes for a pretty good ending), but now I think otherwise. After looking back at the episode when CC gets her code, I think a code is transfered when one reaches a certain level of geass (the two eye geass) and then that person dies. Just like how CC had reached the two eye geass stage and then she’s killed by the nun so that the nun can transfer her geass over to CC before the nun becomes mortal and kills herself. Thus, as lelouch had reached the two eye geass stage, when suzaku kills him lelouch automatically gains CC’s code and becomes immortal. (maybe that’s why CC looks so happy in the end, because she has finally become mortal)

    Also, for those who say that the power of geass wears off after one’s death, look at anya and nunelly. Even though charles died in Turn 21, after that anya doesn’t regain her memories and nunelly is still blind until she shakes off the geass herself.

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  1397. It still seems their was really much more to the series,s plot and story that couldn’t be solved in a mere 2 seasons its too bad to see that anime like bleach and naruto stretch theirs out just so it last longer and slow down the pace by a factor or 1000 are still going whist code geass is over.

    Niloc
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  1399. I agree with Uppercase-6 Underscore Uppercase-6. I actually agree that this is the greatest anime ever (Despite the fact it does have a few flaws), and I am sad that it is over T_T. Did anyone else dude-cry when Lelouch got stabbed? Great, epic, awesome episode.

    But enough about the past. Anyone else hope a kids network doesn’t get them to work on a third season and we end up with Code Geass 3: The Magical Orange Transportation Cart Adventure of C.C. & Lelouch?

    JustAnotherCGFan
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  1401. This piece of $!(*@#&(!*@#&!(*@ ending about brought me to tears, who cries over an Anime? ARGH. To all those of you out there who say Code Geass has its flaws, blah blah, this was a great ending. They really jumbled up the plot, but I reckon this was really the best way to end it.

    randomer11
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  1403. The guy who’s riding the hay-ride with where C.C. is, could it be… Lelouch ? Could C.C. gave him immortality so even when he got killed by Zero, he wasn’t dead ?

    fuckin great anime, i’m still really sad because it’s over T^T

    Shaamekh K
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  1404. For all the people that are saying Lelouch is dead, the show has claimed that many people have died only for them to reappear later. Remember Guilford, he was traped in the fraya blast and he still amazingly lived.

    magixiii
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  1408. @ByakuraiWolf999
    Photoshop and its video compatriots can’t bring the dead back to life – even if they were animated in the first place. The creators of the show are required if you want to do that.

    According to the wikipedia article on Lelouch, this article here ( http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3955/000dhwrrjy1.jpg ) – which is in Japanese – confirms that officially Lelouch is dead. In this article here ( http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/ ), the head writer doesn’t outright say that Lelouch is dead, but it’s pretty clear from what he says that not only is Lelouch dead, but that it was always the plan to kill him in the end. In addition, the official guidebook for R2 states multiple times that Lelouch is dead (http://atashi.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/code-geass-r2-the-complete-official-guidebook-review/ ).

    For better or worse, Lelouch is officially dead.

    Kalessin
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  1410. Whether he is dead or not, I can honestyl say that Sunrise had me going there those last few episodes. I thought that there was not point to the series any more, just flash. And now that everything has ended, it all makes sense. Amazing.

    manogamez
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  1411. 1410 posts!

    what’s say we get to 2000 also i hear the mumblings of a 2nd adaptation of the manga for the nightmare of nunaly might be made into one. For one the plot is meant to be interesting but very different as his sister is now involved. Might be interesting……

    With code geass over any chance of an OVA or something which they’ll reveil C.C. name cause besides everything else that is the major secret to the series the single name.

    Niloc
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  1413. @anon
    There’s no reason to think that she isn’t. No one’s taken her code, so she should still have it and should still be immortal. Of course, she could always give people Geasses again and start up all kinds of problems that way and possibly get someone strong enough to take her code and kill her. Or she could probably just lock herself in the World of C again, become the slave girl (with no master this time probably since Lelouch isn’t around), once again be highly confused about modern technologies, and eventually either get herself killed or die of old age.

    Really, C.C.’s situation was left pretty open. They made a big deal about how horrible immortality is and then left her with it. The only real consolation that she got was that she found a real friend and confidante in Lelouch. But since she lost him, she’s more or less back at square one. She’s bound to be less jaded than before, but she’s still immortal, can still give people Geasses, and is more or less where she was in the beginning. In a way, she got the short end of the stick with Lelouch’s plan just as much as Lelouch and Suzaku did.

    Kalessin
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  1414. i loved the ending, but i wounder how lelouch was possible to die – thought he was imortal, also wouldn’t it be so much better if he just used the decoy – “his maid” – and have suzaku kill him it would bring the same effect. thought sazaku died >_>

    Iam
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  1415. Looks like Lelouch was a hero in the end after I guess, but its too sad to see him die and their are others who really love him so very much.
    I hope they made an alternate end of Code geass the movie if they will make one.

    Kim
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  1416. I still wish that the rest of the characters that oppossed lelouch should of all died miserable deaths that would of made me feel happy. If at the end he got his revenge on all the people that opposed him and took them all out with him now that would be an ending.

    Niloc
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  1417. Lelouch should have taken over the Britannia Empire but he should’ve told the world that he was Zero. Instead of killing himself to atone he should have given the world leadership to Nunnally or Cornellia. Technically, he didn’t kill all those people the geass took control. Otherwise its a genius ending to bring back the Lelouch from the first season who was strategic and just wanted a peaceful world.

    Zero Two
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  1418. Though of course there won’t be another serie, the thing is that even if Lelouch survived he’d have to live somehow where he could hide forever or something likely, it IS probably him, but it doesn’t mean there’ll be another serie.

    fffffffff
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  1419. Sunrise has not announced any more Code Geass. However, an announcement from them recently thanking the fans seems to heavily imply that they’re at least seriously considering making more: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-12-25/sunrise-indicates-possibility-of-more-code-geass .

    What they’ll do for more is, of course, up for debate given that the staff for the series have basically confirmed Lelouch’s death, and I seriously question the viability of Code Geass without Lelouch, but we’ll just have to wait and see I guess. In the past, the folks at Sunrise have basically totally killed off at least one character beyond any doubt and then changed their minds and brought him back just so that they could have him in a sequel (Mu La Flaga in Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny). Personally, I think that that changing the story retroactively like that is stupid (as much as I like Mu La Flaga and Lelouch), but I wouldn’t put it past them. In either case, the world of Code Geass is still alive and well (with C.C. still able to give Geasses), so as long as they can create a good story without Lelouch, it’s still quite possible for them to make more Code Geass.

    Kalessin
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  1420. maybe lelouch died, or maybe not =?
    The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.

    Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. Let’s recall the episode when he face charles.He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass.

    ChaoticLegion
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  1421. but im still confuse if lelouch died or not ^^,
    so its up to u guys…
    its ur decision to believe it or not =_=.
    but futher more is think r3 will be a great movie after all if there’s one..

    ChaoticLegion
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  1423. i felt one big mistake of code geass was Mao, to me it was just a big distraction from what was going on and took too long to resolve. The least it did was serve as development for Shirley, but could’ve been handled better.
    Though there were plot twists, when I look back on past episodes, it makes alot of sense and that the series was well planned, but the details didn’t seem convincing enough that there was any real connection (i.e Xingke’s “terminal illness”). Anya’s knowledge of lelouch and the palace, the moment when C.C and Anya fought in China against Schniezel and the Eunuchs, C.C supposed monologues with Marianne, helped bring the ending, but I felt clueless as to what all this was supposed to mean and I felt it was a poor delivery. These same techniques can also be used to support the fact that Lelouch is most likely alive. Like why did Lelouch tell Suzaku in the world of C to stay his hand when the emperor grabbed his neck? Why was Lelouch unafraid of Suzaku’s threat afterwards? And then there’s the whole memory transfer thing. And it seems the Code gets passed when someone makes contact with someone and dies. Plus the way C.C talks to Lelouch at the end was very similar to how C.C talked to Marianne (whom we thought was dead but really not) in the sub i think in season 1. The only 2 reasons i can think of as to why she would talk like that is 1, Lelouch obtained a power like his mom and can speak to C.C, (unlikely) or he’s the driver cause he’s immortal. These details and planning seem well thought out, but pretty hasty and abrupt. Regardless, if Lelouch is alive, any sequel would have to include him, seeing as he’s alive, unless it doesn’t need his capabilites. What I’m really interested in from season 1, suzaku’s relationship with C.C (memory flashback), it seems it wasn’t elaborated and just thrown away. Another interesting point is why in the end, Lloyd, Cecil, Nina, and Lakshata jailed? wouldn’t lakshata be executed? and why jail people who helped you? unless to discuss about some grudge we will never learn about and is most likely irrelevant so wtf is point of bringing it up, esp at the end? their discussion should’ve centered alot more on the morals of the story. W/e though, i doubt there could be a sequel, it would look bad, and what on earth about the code geass universe could demand our attention if all the world is at peace. any attempt to start some conflict would have to be impossible.

    drinksallaround
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  1427. @Bk
    She was probably just hitching a ride somewhere and the driver was either kind enough to let her ride along or unobservant enough for her to be able to sneak a ride.

    The staff of the show have basically confirmed that Lelouch is dead. There are several links to articles with quotes about it in the comments on the last few pages here. It’s up for some debate as to whether C.C. would be able to talk to Lelouch in the World of C. She was able to talk to Marianne due to Marianne’s weird Geass, and it’s pretty clear that she talked to V.V. in a similar manner, but it’s never been 100% clear that she was unable to talk to anyone else. My personal vote is that she cannot talk to anyone in the World of C, but that’s not one of the things in the series that they were 100% clear on. In either case, Lelouch is dead.

    Kalessin
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  1429. Mmm, it’s been a little while since I’ve watched Code Geass (season one or R2)–and even then, I marathoned the series well into the wee hours of the morn (instead of sleeping like normal people do).

    To be honest, I really enjoyed watching Code Geass and R2; I’ve never watched much anime (given that I didn’t receive a high speed connection and laptop until the end of last year), so I guess I’m not too picky on what I watch. I won’t say that CG is the most brilliant production I’ve ever laid my eyes on, and there were plenty of moments/episodes where all I could do was blink in disbelief, but I was swept away by the sheer excitement and curiosity evoked by utter suspense of almost every little twist and turn.

    drinksallaround, nonetheless, makes some pretty good points. Back in season one, when Shirley found out about Lulu being Zero, was manipulated by Mao, had her memory erased, blah blah blah–and the extravaganza that was Shirley’s death in R2–both episodes were a tad too melodramatic for my tastes (I thought Lulu erasing his entire existence from Shirley’s memories was a little impractical…). Nonetheless, after watching him being utterly pokerface and pretty diabolical, it was somewhat refreshing to be reminded of his humanity (not just with Shirley, but with Nunnally, Suzaku, etc.). Uh, sidetracked.

    Anyway, Mao’s function was to introduce more details behind the Geass–specifically the increased power over time and usage, and the possibility of losing control over the Geass. Additionally, his presence announced the possibility of other Geass users (although this was probably no big surprise–C.C.’s transfer of the Geass felt routine at the beginning of the series. I think the episode where he kidnaps Nunnally was meant to hint at the power of Geass to Suzaku (and, by extension, Nunnally)–which was eventually clarified in “Euphemia, Bloodstained.” Still, his showing up and sudden death by C.C. (which was equally weird–she kept saying that she “loved” him, but I never understood the manner of their relationship) was definitely a distraction.

    We never find out exactly how the Geass is passed onto another person (although the whole “contact and die” theory seems adequate); at the very least, I didn’t grasp how gaining a more powerful Geass enables one to kill an immortal. Also, how Charles stole immortality away from V.V. Following that, why didn’t we ever get to hear C.C.’s real name? Or V.V.’s? Why are they bestowed those initials?

    Most of my other questions were already voiced by drinks. The rest are pure emotions–e.g. I was very fond of Rollo, so I was happy that, even if Lulu lied (again), Rollo died feeling loved. Although–what’s his past? V.V. gave him his Geass, but that’s about all we know, right? And who took him under his or her wing in the aftermath?

    One other thing–when Nunnally touched Lulu’s hand and was flooded the memories of his intent–what happened there? If Geass is transferred when a user dies after contact with another, then does Nunnally now possess some vestiges of Geass? Or what?

    I think that cramming such a complex story in 25/25 episodes would result in a little rushing here and there. Many things could’ve been better explained, but all in all it felt really well done. Lovely animation, though the music never seemed to match the mood.

    As for whether Lulu’s dead–if the staff hints at yes, then it’s probably yes. Still, with C.C. communicating with Marianne, there’s always the possibility that Lulu’s “spirit,” or whatever, is still alive somewhere in the World of C; the only problem with is that Marianne possessed a Geass that allowed her to transfer a part of herself (her…soul? Heart? I’ve forgotten) to another person…how would Lulu preserve himself?
    He volunteered to die, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was interested in sticking around to watch everything unfold (according to Zero Requiem, of course…). Maybe he achieved some level of immortality when he was powerful enough to literally command the “gods” and banish his parents to wherever the hell they went? I wonder if they’ll ever explain how the World works?

    Regarding another season…I’m unsure. As said before, I’m not a picky person–I’d be interested in watching if one came out; nonetheless, I’m not sure that it’s necessary to continue the saga. Everything wrapped up rather nicely, and I fear that extending the plot might unravel the Plan, as it were.

    …Sorry, by the way, if everything I’ve said sounds a little disjointed; I haven’t slept in a while…

    Ciaossu.

    radiany
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  1430. I remember the first time i watched code geass it was the hours right after a 24 hour LAN party where i was up for the whole time just got back after 24 hours without sleep. It’s 10am in the morning where i set my computer back up and goes through all the stuff i got the night before and i come across this series called code geass which i had been recommended the night before. So i sit down and get started at first i was just drawn in by the scenery and the beginning of the plot with the invasion and the story line and when the last scene with the officer and the hand guns all saluting with a “yes your highness” and the laugh then 10 or so hours later i’m watching the ending and it’s it defiantly the best ending i have ever seen.

    With the season 2 ending it really seemed it was missing something a certain quality original to the whole code geass series and did make me feel a bit disspointed to know it was all over. The lack of a new and original opening song for the opening made it feel a bit less then it was worth. Compared to season 1s ending it’s really doesn’t compair.

    Never the less tis was a good series despite it’s short commings.

    Niloc
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  1431. I believe LeLouch survived. The R2 makes sense for him to be R.R., and when C.C. was talking about his punishment, that would be a fitting one.

    Besides, I’m tired of characters like C.C. always ending up alone and without someone, so I’m choosing to go with the idea that she is with LeLouch.

    Gilean
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  1433. I feel while R2 was a good season there are things that could have been better. One such thing is the thing with Anya. She has a picture of Lelouch as a child, yet she quit trying to get the truth out of him after he lied to her once and didn’t pursue it again at all even though Lelouch more than likly, and did, held a key to her past which she seemed quite keen on discovering and keeping. Also, after Lelouch had defeated his parents, Anya was what at most 10 feet from the door, why didn’t Lelouch, C.C. or Suzaku think while they were passing her “Hey there is Anya the knight of six thus a power full knightmare pilot, why don’t we bring her with us as an friend.” And then while she was with Schneizel, Kannon say he dosn’t know how relible she will be thus making it seem Anya will play some role in Lelouch’s plan. Another thing that could have been explain was Xingke’s illness. The guy is coughing up blood yet the writers did nothing with it. In the end we don’t even know if he died from it, we just know he dosn’t appear in the end credits.

    magixiii
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  1434. Wow, just look at all of the discussion this anime brought! And this is only one site on the internet. That’s when you know a series is pretty good.

    For me, the ending went nearly perfectly. It’d of been nice if they had about 10 extra minutes to resolve the story of a couple of other characters, but that’s OK. Lelouch accomplished what he wanted, so I don’t see how that was a “sad” ending for him. Suzaku’s NAME died, so that pretty much wipes the sin of his past away. He can’t live as Suzaku anymore, but he’d probably be able to change is appearance and live under a new name.

    Lulu could be alive, since the Code seems to activate during death (See: Lulu’s dad (name escapes em lol)), but even if he isn’t he accomplished his goal. Not sure if C.C can talk to the dead…she was able to talk to Marianne because of Marianne’s peculiar Geass.

    Anyway, point is even if Lulu survived or not he accomplished his goal. I think he died happy because of that (Unlike a certain Light from Death Note :P).

    Legendary Hoamaru
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  1435. haha. What really happened was when Nunally mentioned Damocles as the place for hatred lelouch was shocked. That was the same plan lelouch was going to use except he was already halfway finished. So he had to go through with getting killed instead of getting damocles to be hated.

    Jrad
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  1439. The ending was great. It summed almost everything up with some minor confusions(such as if Lelouch is dead or not, Nunnally and the hand touching part, etc). I feel like it was a little rushed though. I actually wouldn’t have the ending any other way or drag the story out to another season because I feel that this is just the ended end of this show. But is another season does come out, I would watch it.

    But damn, if only everything was all settled without Lelouch having to die. I wouldn’t have that down feeling when you ride a rollercoaster(if that makes sense)

    dyniodes
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  1440. hehe.. i really enjoyed the last episode.. though it’s so sad because we can see that there’s no season 3… hehe i hope there will be even though we know it’s impossible ^^

    please update me if something new in code geass shows up.. ^^

    domo arigatou gozaimasu!!
    -jr desu!

    Jr Quiambao
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  1441. Speculation of Lelouch’s survival has certainly run rampant in various blogs I’ve encountered. The only thing I can think of that could possibly support his survival is the sudden memory flashback that Nunnally experienced when she touched Lelouch’s hand. It reminds me of a similar incident between C2 and Suzaku during the first season episodes. So far, no Geass-possessing character has demonstrated this particular event. From what is known about C2 is that she’s immortal. Well, if you put one and one together, you can further surmise that Lelouch has also become immortal. But then this raises additional questions: How and when did he become immortal? He certainly didn’t obtain immortality from Emperor Charles–otherwise, Lelouch would not have been able to use his Geass during his proclamation as the 99th Emperor.

    I really enjoyed this anime series and would look forward to a follow-up episode or season. However, I would also understand it if the creator might not want to. Another season might dilute its emotional momentum. R2 did, after all, end at a high note.

    sumo
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  1446. @sumo

    I believe that with his use of the geass he obtained his code from Charles from when he grabbed him on the neck with the hand with the code on it. Since he obtained his code from Charles and geass from C.C. their is no evidence suggesting he could not have both. In all the cases we’ve seen the geass and the code has been obtained from the same person. When the geass giver is dead the geass seems to disappear that doen’t mean that once you obtain a code the geass has to disappear could just be the death of the giver.

    Niloc
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  1449. Goodness, the sheer attention this series has received is uttely staggering. Not mincing any words, for the previous hundreds of opinionated fans have done so, it would be something if the comments actually reached 2000+.

    Sakurakamina
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  1457. Just some thought… (I hope that translators will help me on this…)
    As Lelouch’s final words were to an end, Suzaku replied with the “I accept that Geass” statement…

    So, possibilities can occur:

    1.) Lelouch is still alive! As with the previous posts here (damn, they’re many), immortality and the Power of Kings can’t co-exist on one person at the same time. If Lelouche passed the geass to Suzaku at the time he was stabbed, then he is already immortal. There is a gibber possibility that Lelouch got the Code from CC than Charles, since dad was angry at that time, rather than passing the code. Besides, if dad gave the code to Lelouch, it violates the geass code.

    2.) The translators just made the line up XD

    WaitASecond
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  1458. No when he said “1 accept that geass” he refered to lelouch’s statement that geass are like wishes so in other words i accept that wish check ep 25 again he should of stated that in a flashback.

    Also 542 left…….keeps the posts alive

    Niloc
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  1460. Lelouch is alive if you don’t think he check the pic of C.C after the nun death
    and lelouch after his father death that is lelouch is the driver of the wagon
    with C.C at end

    lelouch after his father death
    https://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2021%20-%20Large%2030.jpg

    C.C after the nun death
    https://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2027.jpg

    lelouch have the code form his father and him and C.C can live
    with each for ever a happy end what the way i like it

    taz452
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  1464. I just ran into some good stuff on http://tvtropes.org related to Code Geass that I thought that I’d put here in case anyone was interested.

    How Code Geass is an example of their definition of Executive Meddling is actually fairly insightful into fan reactions for R2:

    Executive Meddling: The original plans for R2 were changed when it was announced that the series would be moved to an earlier, prime time slot. Fans believe that this mainly affected the first half of R2, for the purposes of re-introducing the show to a new audience instead of picking up right after the first season’s cliffhanger like the staff had intended. As a general rule, how much a fan thinks was changed is inversely proportionate to said fan’s opinion of R2’s quality. Those who see R2 as “Code Trainwreck” tend to think everything from the original plans got scrapped.

    Their example of how Code Geass relates to the “word of god” (i.e. what the creators said) is good too:

    For Code Geass Word of God has stated that Lelouch is, in fact, dead, despite a popular (and fairly obvious) fantheory that he is ‘the cart-driver’ in the final scene. Many fans choose to discount this with the theory that his identity as Lelouch vi Britannia is dead, but he lives on under the pseudonym of RR.

    In any case, http://tvtropes.org is an interesting site and its Code Geass-related stuff is pretty interesting. The main page for Code Geass being http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CodeGeass

    Kalessin
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  1467. I would just like to make one note while I watched the espisode the first day it was uploaded on one of the websites and since then have watched itself and the entire series several times over. I for one believe that Lelouch is still alive because if you remember in episode 25 of the first series when Lelouch and C.C. seperate so that she can fight while Lelouch goes looking for his sister. C.C. talks about being all alone and having to watch all the people she’s known disappear into the river of time or something like that well if you would note that a one part towards the end of episode 25 of season 2 you can see C.C. in a church somewhere crying and says something like “Lelouch as a price for casting Geass on others….” one could say that the reason she had that the tear was because that now Lelouch was doomed to the same fate as she was and he was destined to watch everyone die. Also just this is just my thought but I think that when Lelouch killed his father he took the Code from him kind of like when Charles took the Code from V.V. and thereby became immortal. Also I think Lelouch gave the power of Geass to Suzaku as well. Just my thought if you would like to discuss these with me my email is ZeroEmperor@aol.com and yes I had that name before I ever watched Code Geass the best anime series ever.

    StevenG
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  1468. Sorry for double posting but I was talking to some friends and they directed me to a site where the story was that Sunrise had meeting to discuss Code Geass Season 3. The story from what I read takes place 28 years for so after Lelouch’s “death” and the main character is a japanese and the world once again is descending into choas. We get to some of the old characters and this time instead of having the black knights it will be the white knights and the artical that I read this from even hinted that Lelouch may be alive because in it it mentioned that Lelouch was “executed” and executed was in quotes. The site said the next season of Code Geass would be airing towards the end of 2009 or 2010. Furthermore this article was posted at the beginning to april of this year. If anyone has also seen news of this and confrim it that would be great. You can contact me at ZeroEmperor@aol.com

    StevenG
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  1470. Lelouch is still alive (and he wouldnt be R2 he would be L2, r sounds like l in japanese, also his name at ashford, lelouch lamperouge)

    it seems lelouch is likely to be the driver of the cart (since there was a crane in the hay most likely from nunally, cc’s character doesn’t seem sentimental so she wouldn’t keep it ) apparently somehow lelouch gets the emperor code (when the emperor strangles him) and since they must die first for it to activate so that’s why they had him die in front of everyone (the idea of dieing before it activates comes from Charles, since he was first influenced by lelouchs geass in the sword of … and he killed himself, then after it doesn’t work that’s assuming that it did actually work the first time)

    from wikipedia “Writer Ichirō Ōkouchi explains that Lelouch’s death was the price Lelouch needed to pay to create his better world. In addition, the name “Lelouch vi Britannia” is included in the magazine’s final death list.”

    Lelouch vi Britannia is dead ….. what about Lelouch Lamperouge?

    Odd coincidence that the r sound like L in japanese so second season r2 could meanL2
    and that Lelouch’s alias as Lelouch Lamperouge is LL or L2.

    i wondering if the writer was intending for us to relise these facts or if they were completely by accident that these things unfolded so nicely

    this solution solves both the problem of him “seeing his life before his eyes” (because he actually die the first time). Although thats considering the fact that saying that “Lelouch vi Britanian is dead” is a symbolic type thing like “he cast of his old name and blah blah blah living with c2 blah” Anyway that’s just a bunch of conspiracy things iv put together. In the deleted sceens there was a moment where you saw the cartdrivers face and it looked like lelouch. Usually when they put stuff on the deleted scenes part they were planing on putting it in just it was either to long, or it ruined something. My guess is that it ruined the interpretation thing that the writers wanted at the end (ie the whole “make it up yourself if hes alive or not”)

    DarksideVrael
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  1471. I recently wrote to the Code Geass Director about the idea of creating a novel that was based on his original ideas for Code Geass R2, where, in the original plot, Lelouch defeats Suzaku at the ruins near the thought elevator in Stage 25.

    I would be very surprised if they did another Code Geass series. If they did, my initial speculation is as follows:

    1. Takes place from where R2 had left off in the near future with a different character, which is a very strong possiblilty.

    2. Do an alternate series that was based on the original plans for R2, but with a different storyline that would not overlap with the current R2 version.

    3. A prequel that would feature Charles, Marianne, and Bismark.

    Personally, I would rather see a novel created first so that the anime could follow that storyline.

    I doesn’t hurt to with to the Director of the series with your comments. Every bit helps.

    Max
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  1472. Personally, I would rather see a novel created first by the staff so that the anime could follow that storyline. I never liked Zero’s Requiem because I felt that it was nothing more than a generic plot to kill off the series, due the staff’s negative experience of producing the second season. It was on the assumption that the series would not get another season to begin with after that. All of the initial plots to the second season fizzled out, one after the other due to problems caused by the executive staff over the changes of the plot to suit an audience who have largely aready seen the first season at late night. Thus the changes to suit this new audience was nothing more than an insult to their intelligence.

    In my honest opinion, I feel that whatever was to have been the main catalyst of the second season wasn’t Zero’s Requiem.

    It doesn’t hurt to write to Taniguchi, Director of the series with your comments. Here is the address if you want to write to the following:

    Gorō Taniguchi: Director
    or
    Ichirō Ōkouchi: Screen Writer

    Make sure you address their name as follows:

    Gorō Taniguchi
    c/o Sunrise Inc.
    2-44-10 Kami-igusa
    Suginami-ku
    Tokyo, Japan 167-0023

    Let me know of your thoughts about my opinions.

    Max
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  1473. Gotta admit, this is a really good series. ALOT of references from Gundam Seed Destiny, but they turned this into something that topped charts and earned several awards unlike GSD which was criticized for being a recycled prequel. Very good ending, and this is definitely one of my favourites including Gundam 00.

    CCJ
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  1474. lol wut a gr8 series? i wish their is another seasoned of code geease? i dun thin tat lelushe is died tho? bcuz eh stilll have all the power of teh geease? but wut do u guyz think.

    mahboobeh
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  1475. To put an end to the Lelouch is dead/alive debate. incoming TL;DR.

    The creators left it “open ended” on purpose, so that you could think whichever way you wanted, depending on how you felt about him.

    There is plenty of “evidence” that he is still alive, or that he is dead:
    He does NOT have Marianne’s geass abilities, therefore C2 is either talking to him (as the cart driver) or talking to herself (the same way Kallen is seen talking to Lelouch during the credits, even though as far as she knows he is dead). Either is a possibility.

    As for Charles’ Code, he shouldn’t have been able to die if he still had it, so it’s possible that Lelouch took it by force (although possibly accidentally?). It’s also quite possible that Charles’ Code disappeared with his death.

    For the Code vs. Geass debate (you can only have one or the other). It is stated many times throughout the anime that you can only have one or the other. Lelouch most likely doesn’t have both (unless the geass from one and code from another loophole actually exists. /shrug). however, as seen with charles, the code doesn’t manifest itself within it’s host until they die for the first time. Lelouch successfully geassed Charles into killing himself, which should have been impossible if Charles had the code. Upon death the code activated and Charles became immortal. (See also C2 dying before her Code first kicks in). Because of this it is completely possible that Lelouch had absorbed the code from either Charles or C2 (take your pick, though I’m leaning towards Charles, these “god forces” rarely leave the world in animes, they simply transfer to a new host). He was able to continue using his geass to become the “demon emperor” because he had yet to die, and therefore the Code had not yet manifested itself within him. Then, as Suzaku kills him in the end, the Code kicks in, and he becomes immortal.

    As for Suzaku/C2 crying at the end when Lelouch “dies.” Suzaku may or may not have known that Lelouch would survive, it’s altogether too unclear, however whether he lived or not he’d still be “dead” to Suzaku, as they’ll never be able to see each other again, Suzaku being pigeon-holed into the Zero role, and Lelouch not being able to show his face for fear of tearing down the peace he worked to build. The same goes for C2, she may or may not have known Lelouch would live. If she thought he was going to die she’d cry both because she came to love him, and because he never fulfilled his contract with her. However if she knew he was going to survive, she’d cry as well, knowing the pain that immortality can bring a person, and knowing what he will have to go through.

    I also have to point out here, that Lelouch rarely if ever failed to deliver on a promise/contract, so I doubt he’d go through with his plan to die if it didn’t in some way fulfill his contract with C2 (which by the end of the series no longer meant taking her life, but making her smile. I doubt he could do that if he just up and died, she’d be all alone and detached again.)

    Nunnally seeing the exact memories of Lelouch by touching him is very akin to C2’s memory transfer, (granted there isn’t the overwhelming white light or the skulls, but still similar).

    I know the creators have said that Lelouch Vi Brittania is dead, and that name shows up on the death count list. Which many people like to think means he is in fact dead. (a possiblity). However I must point out that Suzaku Kururugi has a gravestone dedicated to him as well, yet he as a person is still living, under the name Zero. Could not Lelouch be still living under any number of assumed names? R2 or otherwise.

    Lastly, for those saying that since this anime is about the sum of Lelouch’s life, and therefore he must be dead for his life to be “summed up.” This anime perfectly sum’s up Lelouch’s life, from the day he gets Geass to the day he “dies.” If he goes on living an immortal witch/warlock existence with C2, he is no longer Lelouch, he is a new person, with a new life. Everyone thinks he is dead, even Nunnally, therefore he is dead, in the sense that no one knows he’s alive, besides C2 of course. He has, in essence, been reborn the immortal R2, living forever with C2.

    P.S. I know people are obsessive about different characters coupling up, but GinoxKallen, seriously? there is only the one wedding picture where they are simply standing next to each other, they aren’t even touching in any way. Men and Women always pair up for wedding pictures to make it look more romantic/happy etc. that doesn’t mean they are together. Besides, Gino hated Lelouch, and Kallen is one of the few who knows the truth about him (look at all the pictures she has of him on her wall in her room) I doubt they could get too couple-y based on that simple factual basis, it would be a huge rift at the core of a relationship. Kallen loved Lelouch, and knew he returned the feelings in his own way. I’m not saying she wont move on and eventually find someone else, I just don’t think anyone should draw any completely speculative conclusions about Gino…

    wall of text done. 🙂 Best series I’ve seen in a while, though I agree they rushed it too much, it should have been 2.5 or 3 seasons.

    Okame
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  1476. Okame,
    I’ll agree that the staff did in fact rushed through the story because everything that was crammed could have taken at least 2 addition seasons. In fact, Code Geass R2 was to have been the second half of season one, giving it a total of 50 episodes. Season Two could have gotten the same 50 Episode deal. This was the reason why I want to see an alternate version of Code Geass R2 where it picks up from where Stage 25 had left off, starting with Stage 26. This proposed episode had Lelouch defeating Suzaku at the ruins near the thought elevator as he was going to save Nunnally. This could have led to a very different storyline than what we saw.

    Given the popularity if the series, I feel that there might be another season of Code Geass with the option to redo the entire R2 series and make it become the second half of season one. There is so much that is still missing from this series. Whatever the outcome was to have been, I don’t think that Zero’s Requiem was one of them.

    Max
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  1477. LELOUCH-SAMA NO TAME NI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If there is a season three I don’t know if I could handle this show emotionally again, this has been by far the most emotionally gut wrenching series ever!

    …..I want to say more but I can’t its just too good…

    Lj-sama
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  1480. @flappy: Why not write to him at Sunrise? Here is the address:

    Make sure you address their name as follows:

    Goro Taniguchi
    c/o Sunrise Inc.
    2-44-10 Kami-igusa
    Suginami-ku
    Tokyo, Japan 167-0023

    Max
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  1482. hey, i like the series a lot i disagre whit the guy that writhe all that stuff about the series goin gin a difrent direction, I belive that is the right direction but , i do fell that the serie was rush at the end. i agred to that lulu become r2 becouse c.c. is free now and suzacu get the power of the geass that means that lulu take the mark from c.c. to make her happy and finish their contract … in other words lulu is now inmortal and thats why he is not dead… I will like to see 3rd part but whit the original caracters… no something like they always do that the original caracters just disapear and the series go to hell whit a total difrent idea…..

    zeugirdor
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  1483. i agree that being Zero is a suitable fate for Suzaku, but if Lelouch is not dead, then it’s not fair. I rather he is dead. that way he might have atoned for all the sins he have commited, for all the people he got killed, for all the people he manipulated.

    well, come to think of it, maybe Suzaku should have died too. they were both despicable characters. and i don’t care if their actions truly brought peace to their world. their actions were wrong.

    also, i hated karen. she never knew what she wanted in the series. was it japan or britannia? was it peace or her beloved zero???

    i can’t believe the hypocrisy of this anime.

    the ending was great, but the all 24 episodes that lead to the amazing final were shitty as fuck. too many unrelated plt twists. i am sorry but trying to do one thing for 45 eps, and then throw it all around in the last one was retarded.

    Hotarubi
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  1484. @Hotarubi

    Check out this link, and you will know why Code Geass R2 isn’t as good as it might have been. Even the staff didn’t like it because their original plans was to continue the second season where Stage 25 of season one had left off. The recent success of the series give the production staff the option to remake the series into the format that would be in line of the first season. In fact, season two was to have been the second half of season one. Any way, here is the link:

    Show Spoiler ▼

    Max
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  1485. I would have like the ending better if they would have showed a pregnant C.C (possibly with twins)…knocked up by Lelouch himself….that would have given it possibility for a spin-off…THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HOT!!!

    Horny
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  1486. @Max: Except of course that Euphie’s death resulted from an accident. And Cornelia herself had tons more to answer to that she never did, and Nina already resolved to work with Lelouch.

    azul120
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  1487. Its a good ending like it should be. The ending is based on the way of thinking of humanity. The main character dies… the most heart touching end… HOWEVER!!! on the DVD version you can see that Lelouche Vi Britannia is the one that is riding the wagon were C.C. is on. NOW I HAVE FREED YOU ALL FROM THE LIES AND EMBRACED YOU WITH THE TRUTH…

    ALL HAIL THE TRUTH!!!

    The Truth
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  1493. dman that ending! apart from kallen living that absolutely SUCKED ALIEN TURD!
    who cares anyway, I’m just looking forward to sitting down and playing HIVE OPS ALL DAY, at least that has a good ending, when Odin kisses Aquila while the final hive blows up and your guy gets shot into outer space (sorry for ruining the ending gamers! oops!).
    but apart from that, LONG LIVE KALLEN!!!!

    H.I.V.E
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  1495. @ magixiii

    of course anya will stop questioning him. Marianne possessed anya’s body, right? then marianne will know if its his son talking to her, albeit differently.

    knight of one
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  1496. ya lelouch had to be driving i mean come on its sunny and probly very hot out side and the drivers wearing all that shit on his head unless he had a horrible deformity or somthing i doubt hed where that plus cc was there

    Typhoon
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  1497. o also what fucked up ppl i mean ya they didnt no lelouch did so much for them but in the end when he “died” and fell in font of his sister i bet it killed her even more that the were celebrating his death

    Typhoon
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  1498. Hmm…SUNRISE did say that R2 would be the end of everything. Personally, I think Lelouch is dead. Some people argue that the cart driver is said man, but you can see a bit of his hair at one point. It may be black, but it’s too short. In addition, if Lelouch really had the Code that Charles took from V.V., C.C. would have protested. She DID try to give Charles her code instead of Lelouch because she didn’t want to curse him with the Code, after all. I would’ve liked it if he did survive, but that’s what I saw. The reasoning behind this ending is to let the viewers decide for themselves whether Lulu was dead or not. There were conflicts within SUNRISE over R2; they mostly all didn’t like the season. Those conflicts probably gave birth to this ambiguous ending.

    Then again, this is my speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I still feel bad watching Lulu die though. Now he can’t keep his promise with C.C.

    iRathiest
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  1499. Very good points i got from 2 sites on why he is alive. Courtesey of
    Troll101 of http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/09/28/lelouch-a-yes-this-is-a-spoiler/

    and

    http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-so-is-lelouch-dead-or-not/
    “My take is that Lelouch is alive.

    “My take is that Lelouch is alive.

    The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.

    Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad’s code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles’s code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn’t take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.

    To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch’s hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.

    It’s a great end, friends. 🙂

    P.S. Ending line of CC translated by bibi: “Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you… well, I guess thats a little wrong… eh, Lelouch”

    P.P.S. Additional evidence, courtesy of `Nergal and 4chan:

    1. Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
    2. Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
    3. The code doesn’t appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
    4. When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
    5. The title of the series is “R2″, which is similar to how “C.C” is pronounced. So Lelouch would be “R.R.” which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
    6. When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says “the power of Geass brings loneliness…that’s not quite right is it, Lelouch?” and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.

    P.P.P.S More evidence, courtesy of an intelligent anon from 4chan:

    Orange knew of Lelouche’s and Suzaku’s plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

    Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche’s immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

    Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouche actually died.

    There it is, firm evidence of Lelouche’s immortality if the scene with C.C. and the cart driver wasn’t painfully obvious enough.

    (I corrected a few spelling errors and run-ons, but preserved the original thought. It’s also quite convincing, if you ask me.)”

    “Biggest Clue;Paper crane:Nunnally taught Lulu to made those in R1

    Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch’s code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets ‘memory watch’ when he touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Leluch touched C.C.’s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He’s now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to her if he was there.”

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  1500. I agree with the post above me ^^ I personally wish to think that Lelouch is still alive and that the producers create a new season, but I highly doubt that will happen. As for the ending, I think that the creators did a shitty job of ending the entire season so cut and dry. Hey, that is just my opinion.

    Kira
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  1501. I cant believe it ended like that!!! that was one of the most crappiest endings ever!! though his plan was perfect, why did he have to die?? it may have made everyones lives great, but it ruined the one life he was doing this for in the first place, his sister nunnaly!!! man this confuses me so much…..

    The Saminator
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  1502. It seemed to me that the driver of the hay cart C.C. was riding on WAS Lelouch. The way she leaned back and spoke to him would have fad her looking forward on the cart, toward the driver. He faked his death.

    S'task
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  1504. Whether Lelouch is the cartdriver in the last scene, or not, makes no difference. As far as I can tell, this version of Code Geass is over. The second season was such a disappointment, as far as the pace of the last 12 episodes. It went by too fast. It’s quite apparent that there were a lot of problems with producing the second season than what was told. To me, a lot of scenes were recycled ideas from season one. The first half of the second season was practically a repeat of the first season with the Ashford reintroductions. A lot of build up with certain characters in season one was absent in season two, like Cecil growing interest in Suzaku as a potential love interest, as well as Milly’s character development in her background and her relationship with Lelouch.

    I certainly would love to see them do an alternate universe version of Code Geass that was based on the initial three episodes for the second season before the timeslot change that forced them to drop their plans to ease the new audience. I don’t think that the producers liked the second season very much. They knew the problems. But there was nothing that they could have done about it. The timeslot change to the Sunday 5PM audience was simply to get them ready for Gundam 00, and nothing else.

    Max
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  1506. I hate the ending actually…! It’s not Lelouch’s fault after all… Why he should deserve that kind of ending, I mean he don’t have to do that… The character that I hate most is suzaku… because as a friend, he failed to do so… You are truly great Lelouch!!!

    Euphie
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  1507. I have to say this cause I see a lot of people who agree with me that Lelouch is alive and driving the cab but no real reasoning, at least out of the posts I have read.

    First of all I believe he is alive because I believe that he has taken on the role of an immortal from CC. The reasons for this I will state later first I am going to state why I say this is possible for those that have forgotten. Lelouch’s father the Emperor of Britania took by desire the power of immortality from VV, upon doing so he seemingly lost the power of Geass but gained immortality. This is consistant with when CC gained the power immortality she lost her Geass of forced love. Lelouch had already reached a state of completed Geass where both eyes became active when he used his Geass to convince the subconcious of humanity to refuse his father’s plan. This so far just means that there is the possibility not proof that Lelouch is an immortal.

    My reasoning for him being an immortal is that I believe he did two things while dying that are only possible by the immortals who control Geass. The first were his parting words to Suzaku. I believe that they can be taken two ways, parting words to a friend who had to kill his own friend. Or how I believe they were given as terms of a contract, I believe that they were the formation of a contract between Lelouch and Suzaku where Lelouch gave him a Geass. The second event during his death was when Nunnaly touched his hand. She sees images of Lelouch and Suzaku planning this end to war. This could be the producers trying to remind the viewer what has happened in the past but any viewer that didn’t remember what he was doing is blind anyway. I believe this was use of the power that CC had where she could through touch view or allow to be viewed the memories of those in contact, similar to the event in the early part of the series when she stalled Suzaku then Lelouch touched her and saw her memories.

    This isn’t an open and shut case but I choose to believe based on that information that Lelouch is alive and well. Doesn’t mean that I wish to see them continue it cause the series had a good ending, but just my views on his condition at the end.

    Horanax
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  1508. I personally think Lulu is alive in some way, I mean, if you look at the crane in the final shot, its standing. There was heavy symbolism with the crane throughout the anime, like when Villeta shoots Ohgi and it falls over in the first series.

    If Lulu were actually dead, then the crane would be on its side. I think when she tilts her head she’s talking to the crane, not the driver however.

    So he isn’t necessarily alive in C.C.’s immediate world, but, you know, she can talk to him so he is somewhere, whether it be in the afterlife or reality or whatever.

    Ray
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  1509. Think back to when Charles was taken by the world of C. he was no longer immortal, V.V.’s code was given or taken by LuLu that made him immortal.

    LuLu basically became V.V.’s replacement, now LuLu is exactly like C.C. He even said during the show that he would become immortal to stay with C2.

    The paper crane is the thousandth crane, the crane of wishing told from the very start of the show.

    This ending was perfect LuLu is with C.C. for a long long time. I have no doubt he was the driver of the cart.

    Kallen’s mother being happy and off refrain was great, Kallen knew the truth of it all and keep it to herself and lied for the benefit of world peace, how very strong of her.

    Orange and Anya growing Oranges, was a nice touch. I still find it funny that he was called orange by zero and really it meant nothing, but it turned into a belief about him that never happened and stuck with him all the way to the end.

    It was great to see Nunnaly understand what her brother was finally trying to accomplish and that he truly did care for her and that he truly did want to make a peaceful world for her.

    The only thing I’m thinking of now, is how can Suzaku remain hidden under the mask. The only one who would have questions about it would be Kallen. Also, if Shenizel finds out that Suzaku is under the Zero mask he no longer listen to him and defiantly start a rebellion again.

    I see a small window for a 3rd season even if it is unlikely. All and all I enjoyed this series and its end. Considering it could have ended with everything blowing up and everyone dying, show over. This was much better then most of the options they had.

    Dimeric
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  1512. I had a dub of the show but the subtitle track didn’t actually translate the japanese text in the english version of the show. Can someone please post a translation of it? Thanks.

    If its already out there, sorry tl;dr comments

    Zoness
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  1513. I am content with him having died there, and that being that. It is a beautiful ending to a lovely and epic series. After all, Lelouch is a great character, but then again he is also questionably a bad guy. This ending solves both things. Poor Kallen…

    I love the mystery of this ending too though, and half of me does still want Lelouch very much alive, so much so I’ve spent time just letting my imagination be wild. for instance, taking his mothers eye from her preserved body and replacing one of his own, and just before dying he hides in Nunnally, which explains her vision, just like his mother did with Anya, and C.2. can talk to him just like she was able to talk to his mom. If he ever comes back through the world of C like his mom almost did, he’d have to see into peoples hearts before he could give them an order with his geass, thus he struggles. If only… *ahem*

    Zap
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  1514. okay.. im not reading all of the comments because 76 pages is quite ridiculous, however i will offer my opinions on what i have read so far..
    okay, firstly, Lelouch would never be with the Prez (Milly) because the only reason she had for asking for his hat in the cupid’s day graduation event was to cause all of the students to turn against each other so that Shirley could find time to meet up with him and work things out. She even says that at the end of that episode.
    Also, with the whole “if Lulu took C.C.’s Code (immortality) then she would die”.. that is not true. the only reason that the nun died right away was because C.C. killed her. The only reason V.V. died right away was because he was badly injured in battle. Plus he might not have even gotten the power from C.C. (he might have decided to while they were in C.’s world though..) but from the way that his father died, he may have received the Code then. And i think that there is also a chance that the Code is activated by death.. like Charles shot himself before his Code “tatoos” appeared.
    And what i find great about orange boy working in an orange field is that earlier he had said that orange referred to his loyalty. i think that this ending shows that he never stopped believing in Lelouch, even when he started acting evil..
    Also Lelouch may be the driver, but when i first saw the episode, i thought that C.C. was communicating with Lelouch in the way that she did with Mariam and V.V. previously (and if not, she is talking to the dead as some people do when someone they loved dies..)
    hmmm i dont know what else im forgeting to put in here, but i would also like to add this.. theories on the title. firstly i’d like to say that i believed from the begining that C.C. was telling the show as a story, which may just be a chapter of her story she is telling.
    Code is the power of immortality. so the show could be the immortal Geass, the legacy that lives on. or as lelouch says in the last episode, a geass is like a wish. so it could be the everlasting wish, which could refer to the wish that was granted for all of the people with Lelouch’s death.. or Lelouch implied that everyones wish was for happiness. so the meaning of the title could be the everlasting wish for happiness and it being fulfilled.
    also i dont speak japanese… but what is their word for happiness? is there anyways it could be C.C.’s name?
    oh also i do like the theory of Lelouch becoming R.R. (like in the title) but i dont get how you get those initials lol 😀

    Gizzy Motto
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  1515. I can only imagine the guys at Sunrise hooting at some of the theories presented here. The sad thing is they have to lock up their writers at night, and make them sign blood oaths to never revel their true creative reasons.
    Personally, as a much older Anime fan, I enjoyed the fast paced story line and all the weird convolutions to the plot. So far I have only read about R2, having only to be able to rent the first 2 of the series from NetFlix. Thanks to Random for giving me the heads u on the rest of the series. Looking forward to R2.
    As far as C.C. I wondered about the kiss with LeLou, She mentions they still have a contract, which I did not get in on in the beginning. I think there was a deep hidden love between them. If the Sunrise guys do make the OVA, I hope that C.C. and LeLou go off and live in a neather world like Merlin and his love. That was my happy ending.

    Tejasmed
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  1516. What a brilliant ending, leaving us in a state of unknowing thus giving it more meaning or so i believe, i can’t judge if Lelough is dead or not and i never want it to be said due to it would give no meaning to this ending, turning himself into the figure of all that is unjust so when the mask that gives them hope (zero) executes him the world will finally change making the ultimate sacrifice for everyone.

    Lelough is a brilliant character and i would usually after watching such a story end up reading other peoples version of events or some fanfiction that depicts the after effects but this time i will not as i thought it was the perfect way to end things.

    Sunrise did good with this anime and i just wish there were alot more like this.

    JasonE
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  1517. Despite being a good ending, still don’t think it is fair on Lelouch, Suzaku and Nunally, especially Nunally. Lelouch doesn’t deserve to take up all the hate of the whole world even if he is “sinned” for using Geass. Suzaku, I never considered him to be “sinned” in the first place, killing his own father to stop a war, not many people can do that, too self-loathing, therefore IMO mask of Zero is too much burden for someone who did nothing wrong. Nunally, although her somehow realise what Lelouch was doing was for the good of the world, I myself would be more statisfy if she had not found out, and will live a sad life because she found out.

    I would love an ending, where Lelouch end up with Shirley or Karen or C.C. While Nina being the symbol of hate and live a miserable life or get stone to death. I would be very statisfied indeed, but if that’s what I want, this anime isn’t suitable for me. Thus, having said it was a good ending, I was not a happy bunny after I watched this.

    Whether Lelouch is dead or not, if I decide not to fantasize about my own version of ending and stick to the infomation they provide us to evaluate. I would want Lelouch to be dead, as there would not be any meaning in Zero Requiem if in the end Lelouch did not repent the “sins” he commited. Thus Lelouch death is a very important element which made this a “good” ending.

    brianleung8912
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  1518. I have an opinion as to why Sunrise might have changed the timeslot for Code Geass R2. It has more to do with the fact that Sunrise wasn’t able to keep the original Satuday evening timeslot for Gundam 00. The Sunday 5PM timeslot was the only available timeslot for it. However, it was available as a one year commitment. This means that Sunrise wouldn’t have to delay the release the Gundam 00 the second season for the Fall schedule. As a consequence, Sunrise needed another anime to take over the Spring 5PM timeslot in order to gurantee Gundam 00 Fall timeslot. Since there were no other anime that was ready to assume the Spring 5PM timeslot, it was decided that Code Geass R2 would fill this new schedule until Gumdam 00 was ready. This means that changes had to be made in order to fullfill the programing requirements.

    Sunrise is well aware of the success of Code Geass and its fans. They would not have changed its original latenight timeslot unless it had something to do with securing a spot for their Gundam franchise, which they would go out of their way to ensure that it’s boardcast on time without delay. Code Geass became an unfortunate victim of the Gundam political machine. Especially if it is a very successful Gundam series. Had Gundam retained its Satuday night timeslot, there would not have been a need to change Code Geass latenight timeslot. Besides, a 5PM evening timeslot on a Sunday doesn’t attract a very large audience as opposed to 8PM to 9PM evening programing timeslot.

    This is why I believe that there might be a new Code Geass that takes place after Stage 25 of Season 1. We might as well see how the original plans for that version, even if it still leads up to the Zero Requiem.

    There were other users of the Geass in the past. But none of them took their power to the extreme like Lelouch did. Most of them would have worked in secret, like Emperior Charles and Marianne. What I would like to know is how C.C. came to know Marianne and why she gave her a Geass power.

    Even if the Black Knights turned on Lelouch, its likely that there might have been an understanding between them. If any of the Black Knights had a Geass power, like Lelouch, it would corrupt them. It wasn’t the Geass that privided the victories for the Black Knights. It was Lelouch’s intellect because without it, the Black Knights was doomed to fail.

    If the production staff wanted to expand on Lelouch’s storyline, they would do so. There isn’t a lack of stories that they could produce about Lelouch and the other characters. Tanigushi knows this for a fact. Nothing is ever set in stone, when it comes to the storyline. Sunrise has a potential hit on their hands with Code Geass/Lelouch. The fact that people still talk about this series is proof that. As a result, Sunrise might allow Tanigushi to resume the production of his original plans for Code Geass R2 and beyond.

    Max
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  1520. lelouch didnt die he lived because he gained immortality from the time his father and mother were dying and when his father was dying he was holding onto lelouch and that is how lelouch gained immortality you also see proof that hes still alive in the ending credits.

    kallen
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  1521. 0_0 I think Lelouch really is alive…. It’s because if you look closely at Dlemysis’s link you can see that the driver has a hair style close to that of Lelouch’s and his outfit looks a bit like what he wore before he died too.

    Xrtear
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  1525. Consider the fact that in Code Geass R2, Lelouch portrays himself as a liar. Since he is the main character in the story, everything that he says in the second season is a lie. Does that implies that the creators were trying to hint that the entire season of Code Geass R2 was a “LIE” that never really happened, in contrast to season one? All the changes that was made to the second season resulted in the creation of an altered storyline that never took place in the intended format before it was scrapped.

    So a purist who loved the First Season of Code Geass could refuse to accept Code Geass R2 because it follows a different path from that of the original storyline. And Lelouch dies to create a world that was based on a lie by making the world believe that he was as evil as Satan himself.

    The one death I never understood was Dietard’s. What reason there was for killing him the way that they did? Good outcome or bad outcome, the Zero Requiem could have been the biggest story of his career because of the inside information that he had gathered on the Black Knights. As well as knowing at the Zero who had killed Lelouch was Suzaku. Dietard’s death was uncalled for because he never posed a threat to anyone.

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  1527. Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch’s code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets ‘memory watch’ when she touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Lelouch touched C.C.’s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He’s now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

    That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.

    The man driving the cart at the end is Lelouch. You can tell by the way C.C. tilts her head back a bit and in the tone that she is using that she is talking to that person, who she calls Lelouch. They don’t show you his face because they want to make you speculate about it, but he is alive — all the proof you need is given to you.

    SamSmitty
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  1529. I also think Lelouch is alive. Why else is CC happy again. I thought she wanted to die, but apparently not now. Why? The reason is because she’s not alone anymore. She has Lelouch with her

    4rc
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  1530. Also, What was CC true wish? CC wish was “to be loved”. She only thought it was her wish to die, because of the nun. Notice V2 had a different wish as well, not to die. So its not a rule that all Coders eventually want to die. CC just never experienced true loved or spoken kindly to before, except thru her Geass power. Remember the cave episode. She was touched when she was thanked and her real name called out.

    Lelouch gave C2 the love she wish for. Thats how I draw the conclusion

    4rc
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  1531. I read that the director wants the viewers to make their own ending. Either way, I think the ending was awesome and actually very touching when I first saw it in Japanese (I recommend watching the last episode/part in Japanese). The thing with me and awesome anime is that i never want them to end. Even if they suck, I’d still watch it 😀

    Astray71
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  1532. Did any1 forgot that there is still 1 more knight of rounds and seems to be the only 1 a certain princess fears? *sigh* wonder if they can develope it and give this series another go for the ending :). Wow ppl (including me) still comments on this after so long. LONG LIVE GEASS

    flappy
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  1533. it has been more than 1 year since code geass ended…..n i could still rmb how much tears i shed when lelouch died….i really hope sunrise could make a sequel, even an OVA will do, it doesn’t have to be 3rd season

    Dearka Elsman
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  1536. it has almost been 1 year n 1 mth since code geass ended n i could still rmb how much tears i have shed for this last episode on 29 september 2008….this is the best anime i have ever seen

    Dearka Elsman
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  1539. This is just my personal view and it is probably been mentioned before here but I did not have time to read through all the comments before me.

    Personally I believe that LuLu is alive with C.C. We all know that C.C.’s wish was to trasnfer her code to someone with a geass which is powerful enough to take it so she can die. However when Charles was going to take her code, she suddenly decided not to when LuLu interferred. In the last few episodes, LuLu also said something about knowing C.C. real wish. I believe that her wish is not really to die, but to end her loneliness, or rather to be loved, which was really her first desire before she obtained the code. I think this is why she did not let Charles kill her as deep down she yearns for LuLu’s love.

    That being said, my take on the events was that just before LuLu killed Charles, his geass manifested (he had the symbol on both eyes like Charles) and he stole Charles’s code then. We know that codes can be stolen as Charles just stole his code from V.V. Therefore when Suzaku killed LuLu, he is actually activating LuLu’s code which makes him immortal (since it is understood that you have to die for the code to be activated). Also as a final referrence, at the end when C.C. was on lying on the cart and said “The power of kings, known as Geass, brings one solitude. Not quite accurate though is it? Right?, Lelouch”. And then she smiles. Personally I believe she is talking to LuLu and that they both have the codes and will keep each other company for eternity.

    Royce
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  1540. notice how the person driving the cart has their face covered in such a way, coupled with what CC says at the very end

    even if lelou is not intended to be alive, the ending is intentionally very suggestive

    Indolence
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  1543. okay if you watched the jap dvd’s of code geass r2 it shows you at the end after C.C says right leluche it shows you leluche ‘s face when they get a close up of the guy drivin the carriage and once he got the second geass from his pops he became immortal just like C.C thats y he let himself get stabbed by that sword

    jhohn
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  1547. IM CONFUSED PEOPLE SAID THAT LELOUCH IS NOT DEAD IS ALIVE!
    ALSO THE MAN THAT IS DRIVIN THE CART IS LELOUCH N R3 IS COMIN ON 2010 OCTOBER… I FOUND IT IN YOUTUBE N GOOGLE BOUT R3!!

    ZERO CAME BACK
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  1548. In a certain way of thinking the audiences’ reactions to R2 only show that the authors did a fantastic job with telling the story. It worked almost too good…
    With all the “Geass is a trainwreck” stuff everyone just started acting like the people in the series Code Geass itself, everyone except a few close friends started hating Geass/Lelouch.
    Without being aware of it we all became a part of this series ourselves – no matter which role we played – and to me this is the unbreakable evidence that CG is one of the most effective stories ever told.

    It may be right that CG is not perfect but this is exactly the point why I think of it as one of the best anime I’ve seen.
    My only hope is that Lelouch is NEVER going to resurrect if they really plan to make a third season. Some kind of spin-off will do… Maybe a prequel telling C.C.’s past or something…

    Al Dhi
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  1549. im pretty sure, alot of people would want confirmation that lelouch is dead and alive, and i bet that most people would want him alive…. The ending is already perfect, enough to make this topic have 1000+ comments… to me, endings that leaves a deep impression are truly one of the best. It’ll truly makes us use our heads forever, just like what Cowboy Bebop did.

    anyways, I dont want to see lelouch’s fate in the nest code geass, but part of me wants the exact opposite. I guess many critics are like that

    Alec
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    1. I think Kallen knows the truth abt Lelouch’s plan and the person in the ZERO suit. But I dont think that anyone other than Orange, CC, Suzaku, Anya, Nunnally knows the ultimate fate of Lelouch.

      Flappy
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  1553. IT WILL FOREVER REMAIN AS THE BEST ANIME IN HISTORY! AND LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA (AKA LELOUCH LAMPEROUGE, ZERO, 99TH EMPEROR, CEO, BLACK PRINCE, ETC.) AS THE BEST MALE ANIME CHARACTER FOREVER!

    LelouchForever
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  1554. One of the most bollocks ending I have ever seen. Lelouch Dies, Suzaku as Zero, and the guys who commited the biggest bulls**t we’ve seen since the first season lives and gets away with it

    SilentmanX
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